What is your favorite force class?

[ToeNail89]

Whats your favorite force class to use and why?

[Dhylec]

ah, more fo topics..
oh well, simple: fomarl!
search the forum for fo topics & see http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[GrandWarlock]

All I have right now is a FOmar, but I've seen FOnewearls stats and they have the highest possible MST of all the classes and I really think if you're going to have a Force it should be used for what it's meant to be used for, and that's tchniques.

[MelancholyWitch]

FOnewearls is u know how to use them right.

[navci]

FOnewm.
They are often overlooked.

FOnewm > j00

[Scejntjynahl]

Fomarls, even though I suck at been one, yay for Seth finally lvl 72. But, I suck using her.

[ILLI]

FOnewm.

I used a FOmar first and thought he was cool.. but then I used FOnewm and completely forgot about my FOmar.. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

[Black000Moon]

class:FOnewearl
why:best looking, pom poms, best force (best mst=best force) uber megid (everyone says its good at high levels but for me right now it sucks.... level 12 megid takes about 2 to kill a normal booma, 30% boost to simple spells which is helpful against bitchs like delbiter. Gets more defense than the FOnewmn which is helpful because forces shouldn't melee much anyways.

[ERS]

Stop making all these force topics; there are too many of them as it is. Read the forum a few pages back at least before you decide to post something. It is very annoying reading the same topic - "What is your favorite Force/ What Force should I pick?" topics all the time.

[Mattacon]

Newm.

You can't deny it.

[flash_fire]

FOmar, Dishes out the Melee Damage like a pro. I really want a Hunter, but I wanted lvl 30 support, and Since FOmar has the highest ATP of the Forces, that clenched it for me.

[ladyjaderiver]

FOmar. And you're all going to kill me, because the only reason I love FOmars is because they're pretty. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Solstis]

On 2004-02-09 13:34, navi wrote:
FOnewm.
They are often overlooked.

FOnewm > j00



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif So true.

[VioletSkye]

Fomarls because they are the cutest http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif For straight tech spamming though you can't beat a Fonewm, they just so damn ugly (which I know many of you will disagree with....navi lol) http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Eihwaz]

On 2004-02-09 13:34, navi wrote:
FOnewm.
They are often overlooked.

FOnewm > j00


Very true navi, very true indeed.

FOnewms are nearly as sturdy as FOmarls, but have most of the destructive tech-nuking power of the FOnewearl. And although I though they looked kinda weird at first, with a bit of poking around, they can look quite cool. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Axispoint]

I prefer FOnewmns. Always have, despite how goofy you can make 'em look (though sometimes it's fun to make one look really weird, hehe, but othertimes, I try to go for the eccentric librarian look http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif ).

[Travvell]

All are pretty balanced but I`d pick the FONewm.

[PatserGOUKI]

FOmarl, is the choice for me j00!

[Zalana]

Too bad so sad FOnewearl is my favorite. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif I've been playing one since v1 so what more do you expect.

[Gaurdian]

forces are not good. they will never be good. i don't know how any of you can play as a force. it has to be the most frustrating character class ever created. if for some reason you think you need to be something with magic just be a HUnewearl or a HUmar. all you need is resta. they annoy me and every sane person i know. they are no good.

[Alighieri]

FOmarl - beautiful, well balanced - best FO char for me.

[Flint]

I have a FOmar but haven't used him since he hit level 100. i use a FOnewearl now and i'm loving using her!

Summit moon + foie merge + class bonus = final form of Falz not lasting more than about 15 seconds!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

I did like using my FOmar for his Gi techniques though. I'll probably start a FOnewm soon anyway. The only one i don't like is the FOmarl... Yucky...

P.S. Forces + Hunters rock, Rangers suck ASS!!!

[Alighieri]

On 2004-02-10 10:33, Flint wrote:


P.S. Forces + Hunters rock, Rangers suck ASS!!!



<whisper>Dude...don`t say things like that....somebody is sure to assasinate you for this...</whisper>^^



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[Chase-kun]

FOmars are the best in my honest opinion. I only dabbled with the Force classes on the Dreamcast... never saw any real interest, the highest I got up was my Foneweral *which are devilshly cute*.
Basically, Fomars have excellent Support, High enough attack power that they can hold their own in a battle, and they looks so spiffy with an Agito. Or any other type of melee weapon.
And concerning the last post... I think the only reason you hate forces is that you lack enough talent to use one. Beating everything senseless can only get you so far, unless you are using hacked items. In that case, shame on you...
*points*
Playin well with a Force requires alot of experience with the game, and are suited for advanced players.
I get bored too quickly playing as other classes.
Then again, forces arent everything either. It all falls on ONE big theme.
TEAMWORK!
*exhales*
Ok, I'm done ranting...
GO FOMAR GO FOMAR GO FOMAR!

[Dhylec]

On 2004-02-10 10:10, Gaurdian wrote:
forces are not good. they will never be good. i don't know how any of you can play as a force. it has to be the most frustrating character class ever created. if for some reason you think you need to be something with magic just be a HUnewearl or a HUmar. all you need is resta. they annoy me and every sane person i know. they are no good.

ah, look like you haven't played enough Fo's to know them well
or maybe you haven't played with a kickass Fo before

Fo chars are not for everyone, though
while Fo are tough to play as, Hu & Ra's lv20 magic techs can't beat Fo's lv30 techs http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[silvermax]

nothing better then putting on some Angry fists and slaping stuff silly with a Fomarl http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[RicoRoyal]

On 2004-02-10 11:05, silvermax wrote:
nothing better then putting on some Angry fists and slaping stuff silly with a Fomarl FOnewm http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif


So to recap; FOnewm is the way to go when it comes to asskicking. You have your nuking abilities... and then you have your bitch-slapping abilities. Oh... and lets not forget those stylishly HUGE shoes, which if the saying (you know which one...) is true, proves that FOnewms are ALOT more man than say... that dress-wearing FOmar (yes, I'm well aware of the fact that FOnewm's have "skirts", but that's just so that they get some more air in the right places http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif). Size really does matter...

[SpiffyDude42]

On 2004-02-10 10:10, Gaurdian wrote:
forces are not good. they will never be good. i don't know how any of you can play as a force. it has to be the most frustrating character class ever created. if for some reason you think you need to be something with magic just be a HUnewearl or a HUmar. all you need is resta. they annoy me and every sane person i know. they are no good.

Yes, HUmars and HUnewearls only need Resta . . . Mainly because their non-support techniques are terrible (HUnewereal's aren't half bad, but are nothing compared to a FOrce and really aren't as useful in higher areas). If you and every sane person you know is annoyed by Forces, you must not know many sane people. Look at this topic, all of these people like Forces, and they all seem sane to me.

Anyways, getting off the subject of opinions, I like FOnewearls the best. My only Force is a FOnewearl level 121, but I have played extensively with the other classes online, so my opinion isn't terribly biased. I like the FOnewearl's simple tech boost (FOnewearl + Summit Moon = Killing Spree), and the piercing Megid is nice. I like having higher MST and TP, and I definitely like the way they look (too many people play FOmars as midgets, FOmarls are nice, and FOnewms wear strange shoes).

[navci]

On 2004-02-10 10:10, Gaurdian wrote:
forces are not good. they will never be good. i don't know how any of you can play as a force. it has to be the most frustrating character class ever created. if for some reason you think you need to be something with magic just be a HUnewearl or a HUmar. all you need is resta. they annoy me and every sane person i know. they are no good.



*deep breath* I would flame you, but I'd rather not.
But I'd say you were asking for it. Your opinion is not a fact. =P So don't say it like it is.

@Violet: *throws a platform shoe at Violet*

The newm can melee. That really can! Their ATA growth is horrible, sure, but there comes a point you can ditch your mag with mind and go with a pure pow/dex mag and melee away. Come on, if a newearl can do it your newm can certainly do it. They are an all around attack tank. And they are the most unique looking of all the classes. Not many class will let you be goofy and weird and at the same time, not necessarily so if you wish to!

The newm rulez.

[astuarlen]

I like FOmarls. They're pretty, modest, and supporting the team is fun. ^o^

[Nai_Calus]

I dunno.

FOmarls are great support, even if their MST -is- the lowest of the FOs.
FOnewms spam Rafoie a few times and the entire room falls over dead.
FOnewearls are the second best support FO, beat the snot out of single enemies and drop entire rooms in a single shot in Seabed.

And yet I keep coming back to my FOmar(s). Bad HP, bad DFP, worst bloody ATA in the game, high but still mediocre ATP, MST not much better than a FOmarl's, range boost on the less useful half of the support techs(Really, how often -do- you cast S/D? Compared to all the times your Resta is only better than a HUmar's because you have more MST and it heals more?), Gi techs are good, except Gibarta, but tech damage is iffy at best online and FOnewm does it better anyway, Grants boost is nice but FOmarl does it better... They're basically crap, heh. ST did a very poor job of balancing the FOs, and the FOmar has little to recommend him. He'll do the most damage in a melee situation, but he's as poorly suited to it as the FOnewearl in all other aspects besides raw damage, and the FOnewearl actually does better than him in a key area, ATA.

And yet I STILL like FOmars best. Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment? Maybe it's because the game isn't that bloody hard to where it matters? XP

But yeah, ST did a really lousy job on balancing the FOs. Especially ATA-wise. Why does the FOnewearl -need- 186 max ATA? Why give the FOmar the worst ATA period? *shakes head* Yeah, uh, ok. The FOmarl gets screwed too and needs as much damn Hit % as the FOmar, despite what people claim.

[lain2k3]

On 2004-02-09 19:27, VioletSkye wrote:
Fomarls because they are the cutest http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif For straight tech spamming though you can't beat a Fonewm, they just so damn ugly (which I know many of you will disagree with....navi lol) http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


yes, I was torn between newm and fomarl.

fomarls look best and are the best meleers (not fomars!) and fonewm are the best spammers. and my fonewm looks cool too. fonewearls are also quite nice, they're nifty llokin, and have penetrating megid.

but fomars....blech... >_>;

[ToeNail89]

So it's
FOmarl = cute, melee, and support characters.
FOnewm = goofy looking, strong gi/ra spammin' techs
FOnewearl = little strong simple teched force that totally sucks at melee with high TP
FOmar = Um..I don't know, just fast casters and can make many possibilities with this class

Hmmm...I think I'll be making a Strong Teched FOnewm and just nuke rooms in one shot and steal all the EXP buhuahuahua....>_>



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[silvermax]

On 2004-02-10 14:37, RC4 wrote:
[quote]
On 2004-02-10 11:05, silvermax wrote:
nothing better then putting on some Angry fists and slaping stuff silly with a Fomarl FOnewm http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

ok smart ass, tell me why Fonewms do a 2 craptastic kicks and a round house punch?

Fomarls slap stupid ........

[lain2k3]

On 2004-02-10 20:18, ToeNail89 wrote:
So it's
FOmarl = cute, melee, and support characters.
FOnewm = goofy looking, strong gi/ra spammin' techs
FOnewearl = little strong simple teched force that totally sucks at melee with high TP
FOmar = Um..I don't know, just fast casters and can make many possibilities with this class

Hmmm...I think I'll be making a Strong Teched FOnewm and just nuke rooms in one shot and steal all the EXP buhuahuahua....>_>



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Fomars are the ones who suck at melee, not fonewearls. Fomars are mediocre, at best, at everything. fonewearls can be great tech spammers, great support characters, and decent melee characters.

[RicoRoyal]

On 2004-02-10 23:29, silvermax wrote:


On 2004-02-10 14:37, RC4 wrote:
[quote]
On 2004-02-10 11:05, silvermax wrote:
nothing better then putting on some Angry fists and slaping stuff silly with a Fomarl FOnewm http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

ok smart ass, tell me why Fonewms do a 2 craptastic kicks and a round house punch?

Fomarls slap stupid ........


Wow.... nice of you to take the joke for what it was, a joke. By slapping I was generalizing it as a form of unarmed combat, not so much the act of actually "slapping" the enemies. In anycase, thanks for your oh so cheery attitude towards other people's posts, "smart stupid ass."

[anwserman]

On 2004-02-10 20:18, ToeNail89 wrote:
So it's
FOmarl = cute, melee, and support characters.
FOnewm = goofy looking, strong gi/ra spammin' techs
FOnewearl = little strong simple teched force that totally sucks at melee with high TP
FOmar = Um..I don't know, just fast casters and can make many possibilities with this class

Hmmm...I think I'll be making a Strong Teched FOnewm and just nuke rooms in one shot and steal all the EXP buhuahuahua....>_>



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I beg pardon?

My FOnewearl may not be able to dish out as much as a HUnter, but she's so incredibly self-sufficient that I can survive *decently* in Ultimate Ruins. Online. By myself. At level 136. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Kupi]

If not for the fact that the one and only character I ever seriously use is a dude, I would pick the FOnewearl. She's got the best Resta in the game... highest power AND double range. Plus she's the most accurate of the FOs... even if you don't intend to damage on the melee line, you can use a Holy Ray and lock up the enemies after you're done supporting.

That said, I like to play as my FOmar... I hit well enough with my 50% Hit Hell Diska, and for good power while still supporting admirably. Any Force can do the Force duty, so I wouldn't really mind playing as any of them. The FOnewearl is just optimal.

[Blitzkommando]

Well... I had a FOnewearl. Still have a couple, heck I have a couple of every class but that's beside the point. I liked the tech nuking ability, at first. After a while it got... well repetative. Sure I was using different techs but, still same basic premise. Nuke, nuke, nuke, dodge, nuke, nuke, nuke and online add in some supports. Anyways I grew tired of her, really messed her up, and deleted her.

A friend of mine has a FOmarl. I watched him melee, then suddenly pull out a number of spells and then instantly back to melee. I found this similar to my way I treat my HUnewearls and RAmarls. So I watch another friend, who's FOmarl is not nearly the level of the above mentioned, and watched him do pure spell casting. The FOmarl easily would pull out fast nukes and such to slaughter enemies. Well a couple days ago I took the reigns of another FOmarl, I have made some before but grew tired of the spell casting and made the FOnewearl. Anyway I made this FOmarl. I give her all the techs and force weapons and some decent melee weapons and guns, as well as 3 distinctly statted Satos and some units. I have since fallen in love with her melee/nuking abilities. It's like a suped up HUnewearl, with only slightly less ATA. I love it!

I have recently been loosing interest in PSO. It just became the same stuff over and over. Friends had left online and I had gotten bored. But some of my friends have since returned to PSO and have gotten me online again. It's like the good old days now. But I had grown tired of the same old strategy and needed a breath of fresh air. The FOmarl was my breath of fresh air. Amazing, simply amazing. This is why I choose, for Autumn, my FOmarl. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif It is good to be back!

Edit- Oh, and to my friends. You know who you are, thank you! You have brought me back online and I am happier about it than ever!

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[silvermax]

On 2004-02-11 16:06, RC4 wrote:


On 2004-02-10 23:29, silvermax wrote:


On 2004-02-10 14:37, RC4 wrote:
[quote]
On 2004-02-10 11:05, silvermax wrote:
nothing better then putting on some Angry fists and slaping stuff silly with a Fomarl FOnewm http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

ok smart ass, tell me why Fonewms do a 2 craptastic kicks and a round house punch?

Fomarls slap stupid ........


Wow.... nice of you to take the joke for what it was, a joke. By slapping I was generalizing it as a form of unarmed combat, not so much the act of actually "slapping" the enemies. In anycase, thanks for your oh so cheery attitude towards other people's posts, "smart stupid ass."



=p

[flash_fire]

For melee the most important thing is damage, None of the FO's can hit well without hit% so yeah... And at high levels it really doesn't matter about a little hp or dfp because the truth is, FOmar can block all hits from basic monsters until ruins, and so can FOmarl. But they both get hit at ruins and the damage difference is not that great. And on EP 2 the dfp difference is insignificant because if something hits on you ep 2 its gonna hurt enough to make you cast resta no matter using the Marl or the Mar. I have both of them and quite frankly, the FOmar is better for Tech nuking and Melee damage than the FOmarl. The only thing she has worth mentioning over the FOmar is support range.

[MaxBuster]

class:FOnewearl
why:best looking, pom poms, best force (best mst=best force) uber megid (everyone says its good at high levels but for me right now it sucks.... level 12 megid takes about 2 to kill a normal booma, 30% boost to simple spells which is helpful against bitchs like delbiter.


LOL. That's actually the name of my FOnewearl.

Anyways, I'd say the best forces are the FOnewns. Though my FOnewn is often relegated to the support role when playing online, he dominates everything when soloing offline.

[oeagrus]

Yet another utterly useless response by ERS. Why can't he/she/it ever say anything constructive or just shut the bloody hell up??

Anyhoo, on topic, some Forces WERE made to melee. Otherwise why would the FOmar & FOmarl have such high ATP? Don't be so eager to cattle-herd entire groups.

My 178 FOmarl is an excellent melee'er. Under level 100 she was (obviously) less effective, but in time she became quite efficient. Of course, I use guns (which I still consider melee) because Forces should try to keep a nice buffer zone between them and the monsters, but still she's very effective.

[navci]

Anyways, I'd say the best forces are the FOnewns. Though my FOnewn is often relegated to the support role when playing online, he dominates everything when soloing offline.


Supporting with a newm is a challenge. Meleeing while supporting is the biggest challenge of all. But well, for those who find things repetitive, try this out, you'll find yourself so busy you don't really know what you're doing! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[lain2k3]

On 2004-02-12 06:23, flash_fire wrote:
For melee the most important thing is damage, None of the FO's can hit well without hit% so yeah... And at high levels it really doesn't matter about a little hp or dfp because the truth is, FOmar can block all hits from basic monsters until ruins, and so can FOmarl. But they both get hit at ruins and the damage difference is not that great. And on EP 2 the dfp difference is insignificant because if something hits on you ep 2 its gonna hurt enough to make you cast resta no matter using the Marl or the Mar. I have both of them and quite frankly, the FOmar is better for Tech nuking and Melee damage than the FOmarl. The only thing she has worth mentioning over the FOmar is support range.



No. ATA is far more imporant than atp. ATA will allow you to keep enemies at bay if you can constantly hit. It's more valuable of a defensive stat that defense is. Fomarls have the advantage in support and melee, and tech spamming is stupid online, and only really good offline with fonewms and wearls.

[Felix45]

I know FOnewms are nuking spell machines, and I would of picked one, but i dont want my charecter to look like a retarted hippie w/ a screwed up hat and face.
So, I decided the next best choice would be FOmar, just because he seemed to be most unique, in the special spells once he is high enough of a level. And I just think they're more fun to use.



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[flash_fire]

On 2004-02-12 12:36, lain2k3 wrote:

No. ATA is far more imporant than atp. ATA will allow you to keep enemies at bay if you can constantly hit. It's more valuable of a defensive stat that defense is. Fomarls have the advantage in support and melee, and tech spamming is stupid online, and only really good offline with fonewms and wearls.



ATA and ATP are equally important. Without ATP online on ULT you will find yourself doing 0 damage, without ATA you wont hit. My point is this, ATA of all the Forces SUCK except maybe the newearl, but even that is low. They ALL need hit% and the difference between the ATA of the FOmarl and the FOmar is isignificant when maxed, which you must max if you plan to melee on Ult. Both require hit percent and after the hit percent is applied both can hit equally as well, so its better to do more damage and kill enemies in one combo, instead of having to use a combo, run and then use another. I agree, tech spamming sucks ass online, the damage is pitiful. I'd pick the FOnewm over the FOmarl, because he has semi-useful tech damage for groups, and his ATP isn't that much lower. But for all out melee, Id go FOmar because of his ATP. His ATA may suck but so does the FOmarl. They both need 30% hit or higher. I prefer to see 400 damage per mech shot with my FOmar, than the much lower 280-300 of the FOmarl.

[lain2k3]

On 2004-02-13 07:23, flash_fire wrote:


On 2004-02-12 12:36, lain2k3 wrote:

No. ATA is far more imporant than atp. ATA will allow you to keep enemies at bay if you can constantly hit. It's more valuable of a defensive stat that defense is. Fomarls have the advantage in support and melee, and tech spamming is stupid online, and only really good offline with fonewms and wearls.





ATA and ATP are equally important. Without ATP online on ULT you will find yourself doing 0 damage, without ATA you wont hit. My point is this, ATA of all the Forces SUCK except maybe the newearl, but even that is low. They ALL need hit% and the difference between the ATA of the FOmarl and the FOmar is isignificant when maxed, which you must max if you plan to melee on Ult. Both require hit percent and after the hit percent is applied both can hit equally as well, so its better to do more damage and kill enemies in one combo, instead of having to use a combo, run and then use another. I agree, tech spamming sucks ass online, the damage is pitiful. I'd pick the FOnewm over the FOmarl, because he has semi-useful tech damage for groups, and his ATP isn't that much lower. But for all out melee, Id go FOmar because of his ATP. His ATA may suck but so does the FOmarl. They both need 30% hit or higher. I prefer to see 400 damage per mech shot with my FOmar, than the much lower 280-300 of the FOmarl.



The fomarls atp at max is only 130 lower, that will be about 30-40 extra damage on the fomars part, not 100-120. the fomarl, at max ata, with the same weapon, will always hit more often. when your ata is that low, 7 extra is quite a difference. go check the damage calculator yourself if you dont believe me.

[ChaosBooma]

it's a toss up between FOmarl and FOnewearl for me.I really like FOmarl but i find them just too hard to level up early in the game with lower magic than FOnewearl and weak combat skills.On the other hand I like FOnewearl as she's basically a killing machine with foie,i can just burn up an entire room in a couple of seconds with a few foie's.

FOnewm is ok but his big behind is kinda freaky,especially if you choose some clothes with a zip there and tweak his proportion so his behind is humongous,it looks like he has tried to zip a huge backside in a tiny space.

[flash_fire]

On 2004-02-12 12:36, lain2k3 wrote:
The fomarls atp at max is only 130 lower, that will be about 30-40 extra damage on the fomars part, not 100-120. the fomarl, at max ata, with the same weapon, will always hit more often. when your ata is that low, 7 extra is quite a difference. go check the damage calculator yourself if you dont believe me.



You are missing the point. With Hit% your ATA isn't that low and so only 7 ATA is insignificant. The FOmarl can't hit much on Ult without hit% to boost her ATA as well, and once you add the ATA from hit%, the 7 ata doesn't matter. Your 30-40 extra damage does not take into account shifta and zalure. 411-346=65 damage difference. Not as much as I said, but more than you said. and 65*9=585 585 damage difference per combo is quite a bit.That is easily the difference between a dead monster on one combo or two combos. The difference gets even bigger if you add percent to the weapon. And how can a FOmarl hit more than a FOmar if neither one ever misses because they both use hit% weapons? Don't say without hit% weapons because the FOmarl can hit almost nothing on Ult without hit% just like the FOmar.

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[Nai_Calus]

Both the FOmar and FOmarl need insane amounts of hit, the FOmarl supporters will never admit to this though and eternally tout their extra 7 ATA as the clinching proof that the FOmarl is better at -everything-. Don't bother arguing, FOmarls are a religion and their supporters fanatics, you'll never win. XD

FOmars still suck, though. XD And I've had my FOmar with 264 ATA before after weapon with a Mag that wasn't even drowning in DEX and his base ATA nowhere near maxed... Granted, that was a duped 55% Holy Ray, but even your standard 50% Hit Charge Vulcan will give a FOmar the ATA to hit just about anywhere except maybe Seabed/Control Tower. He'll still miss once in a while, sure, but my HUmar still misses once in a while with maxed ATA and Hit %, what's your point? *shrug*

Besides, 'Perfect' classes are boring. My FOmarl bores me to tears and hasn't been used in ages. My FOnewearl puts me to sleep. My FOmars? I have fun with them. They suck. I know it. I don't care. They're fun to play with. My melee FOnewm is more fun than a HUnewearl would ever be.(Though, RAmarl is another 'perfect' class and I actually enjoy mine. Though, I do find myself liking my RAcast)

And supporting while meleeing is actually not that hard. Especially for the male Forces. Crappy Resta range becomes less of an issue when you're already on top of the HUs. For a FOnewearl, her crappy S/D range would become less of a hinderance as she could just cast when it wore off and hit most if not all of the team. You're also closer to everything to J/Z it, etc. It's actually more difficult if you're hiding back behind the RAs being a "pure" Force... Which is why I'm the crazy kamikaze FO who goes and runs around in the middle of the room with a Resta Merge when it's swimming with Sinow Zoas and Delbiters and the like to make sure everything is J/Zed and everyone has their S/D and stays healed and free of status effects while dodging attacks(Or just letting them hit me, I can heal myself, I'm a freaking Force, and it's not like my PB meter is going up any other way. >_> );

But yeah. FOmars suck. Don't use them unless you like challenges. *huggles Zero and Helios*

[navci]

FOmars still suck, though. XD And I've had my FOmar with 264 ATA before after weapon with a Mag that wasn't even drowning in DEX and his base ATA nowhere near maxed... Granted, that was a duped 55% Holy Ray, but even your standard 50% Hit Charge Vulcan will give a FOmar the ATA to hit just about anywhere except maybe Seabed/Control Tower. He'll still miss once in a while, sure, but my HUmar still misses once in a while with maxed ATA and Hit %, what's your point? *shrug*


Zu (HUcast) uses a 50% hit Charge Vulcan. He can't go charging because the hits won't connect. :/

I guess this is where the power of Zalure, truely, truely shines.

[anwserman]

You are missing the point. With Hit% your ATA isn't that low and so only 7 ATA is insignificant. The FOmarl can't hit much on Ult without hit% to boost her ATA as well, and once you add the ATA from hit%, the 7 ata doesn't matter.

Actually, with my FOnewearl, I've had weapons with hit on them (I have a Charge Diska with 50% hit that I use on my FOnewearl), and that once I forgot to equip an Elf/Arm and damn I was missing things left and right.

This was before, however, I got my 76 dex mag on her (her previous mag was at 50 dex.) And even with normal/weak attacks, she couldn't hit a damn thing. And then it would register 60 damage. With Shifta and Zalure. :'(

[Flint]

On 2004-02-10 10:39, Alighieri wrote:


On 2004-02-10 10:33, Flint wrote:


P.S. Forces + Hunters rock, Rangers suck ASS!!!



<whisper>Dude...don`t say things like that....somebody is sure to assasinate you for this...</whisper>^^


He he he, i'll take my chance! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Seriosuly though, i just don't get why people would consider their choice of FO on stats like ATP and ATA. Personaly i've never made a single physical attack on an enemy (except for a special or two from my Hildies cane!), i prefer to do the damage with spells...

Saying this i can entirely see lain2k3's point that ATA is more useful to keep the enemies at bay, but spells ALLWAYS hit... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Which ever way you look at it a Force can plow through the enemies more effectively with spells then they can with melee attacks.

The only reasons i can think of someone wanting to make a Melee force would be because they're bored of the game or like seeing their characters get smacked around...

Just my opinion though... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



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[MaxBuster]

Here's my solution: RAmarl.

Arguments could be made for and against any character, it's just pointless. Just go buy a few more memory cards and create one of each class.

[magenta]

FOmarls are a religion and their supporters fanatics, you'll never win. XD

HA..bah.

Fomarls the best ever!

[The-Legit-One]

Hehe, you're ABSOLUTELY right, they are the best FO EVER:D

[rhymmney]

While I think the fonawearl is best for all stated reasons... you gotta love those tights on the fonewm... oh.. nice tights Illi... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[ElizaBluefull]

I have played with 3 of the 4 FO classes (FOnewm excluded) and I still like my FOmarl the best. To me they seem like the most complete class of the FOs, being able to do any task well enough that the team does not suffer. There are places where I am stuck doing melee because my magic cannot damage the enemies enough, and for my all tech FOnewearl, that is not good. I will have to level her up many more times to get her through ult spaceship. But FOmarls...why did I choose one? I liked the big benefit to team play as a "white mage" of sorts, their versatility, and the fact that they look so sophisticated, graceful, and pretty.

[navci]

Meh! Down with the newm haters!
A lot of you never give the newm a chance cuz of their slightly more extravagant looks.

Sheesh!
Down with the discrimination! Hug a newm a day!

Back on topic:
Really. I do find a lot of people never even touch the newm because they think they are ugly. Come on, they are not. And even if you think they are, give them a chance before dissing them altogether!

*hugglez poor newms*

[ILLI]

While I think the fonawearl is best for all stated reasons... you gotta love those tights on the fonewm... oh.. nice tights Illi...

You would really appreciate me keeping those tights on , trust me.. if you ever seen my lil teenie toothpick white fonewmn legs the tights are hiding, u would go blind.. The stockings are necessary! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

[navci]

You would really appreciate me keeping those tights on , trust me.. if you ever seen my lil teenie toothpick white fonewmn legs the tights are hiding, u would go blind.. The stockings are necessary! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif


What? No nice muscly hairy seksi legs from all the running on platform shoes?

[Nai_Calus]

Muscles and leg hair are both eww. And yike, creepy FOmarl, I want Glustar back! ;_;

My FOmars shave their legs. *nods sagely*

<Helios> Like hell I do. O_o;

[navci]

On 2004-02-16 11:06, Ian-KunX wrote:
Muscles and leg hair are both eww. And yike, creepy FOmarl, I want Glustar back! ;_;

My FOmars shave their legs. *nods sagely*

<Helios> Like hell I do. O_o;



FOmars don't have legs!
Keep peeking under their dress! They legs only go up to their knees and then nothing!

[Miso]

On 2004-02-10 10:10, Gaurdian wrote:
forces are not good. they will never be good. i don't know how any of you can play as a force. it has to be the most frustrating character class ever created. if for some reason you think you need to be something with magic just be a HUnewearl or a HUmar. all you need is resta. they annoy me and every sane person i know. they are no good.



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chuck-ball.gif forces kick ass!they can kill enemies from afar(like a ranger,but stronger),use cool looking techniques,or beat the shit out of enemies w/ a weapon that makes sparkles...i find that very fun!not 2 mention using shifta and deband so i can kill enemies quickly...

[lain2k3]

On 2004-02-16 11:08, navi wrote:


On 2004-02-16 11:06, Ian-KunX wrote:
Muscles and leg hair are both eww. And yike, creepy FOmarl, I want Glustar back! ;_;

My FOmars shave their legs. *nods sagely*

<Helios> Like hell I do. O_o;



FOmars don't have legs!
Keep peeking under their dress! They legs only go up to their knees and then nothing!



OMFG this is funny.

I guess fomars shave their prosthetics...?

[Nai_Calus]

At least FOmars have legs at all. XP Unlike FOmarls who just have feet and a black void.

...And their legs go up to about where their hips should be. So nyah.

[lain2k3]

On 2004-02-16 16:51, Ian-KunX wrote:
At least FOmars have legs at all. XP Unlike FOmarls who just have feet and a black void.

...And their legs go up to about where their hips should be. So nyah.



That s why Fomarls pwn fomars. Puny mortal FOmars actually require legs for movement...FOmarls can fly!

[Myopathy]

In general, I'm not a big force fan. Played my roommate's FOnewearl a couple of times. Eh, all I wanted to do was Megid everything for the little slutty FO only had level 8 Megid. Weak...

However, I do have to say that I absolutely HATE the way FOmars run. It is so ugly-looking. It makes his robe look unnatural. On the other hand, I like the way FOmarl's run. Very funny watching a FOmarl run.

[Nai_Calus]

Eh, they way FOmars run doesn't bug me so much. It's the way they -walk- that does. It's really bad with a Rod-type.

Oh, the worst is the inexplicably non-unique slicer animation the FOmar has. The stock male animation -does not- work with his robes. At all.

...I hate the way FOmarls run. It looks so stupid to me. ^_^;

I love the FOmar's unarmed animation for attacking. *thwack, punch, girly backhand slap of death*

And bah, flying. FOmars can teleport at will. Didn't you play SotH? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif j/k

[Miso]

On 2004-02-16 17:03, Ezellaur wrote:
In general, I'm not a big force fan. Played my roommate's FOnewearl a couple of times. Eh, all I wanted to do was Megid everything for the little slutty FO only had level 8 Megid. Weak...

However, I do have to say that I absolutely HATE the way FOmars run. It is so ugly-looking. It makes his robe look unnatural. On the other hand, I like the way FOmarl's run. Very funny watching a FOmarl run.



i like the way fonewearls run...so sexy...j/p http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_pengy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[navci]

I actually like the FOmar's barehanded battle-ready pose. It looks so kung-fu-ish.

[fireant]

I love my Fomar. I like to use my Agito (AUW 1980) and stand next to the Hunters. This also helps the bad reset range Fomars have. If I am right next to them there is never a problem with healing and Gifoie rocks its fun to watch.

[Garm]

just offline:

fomar: gi boost -> ult everything
fomarl: melee, grants, s/d/j/z -> ult everything
fonewm: enough trifluids -> everything
fonewearl: enough trifluids -> ult everything

online:

fomar: s/d/j/z followed by a endless gifoie -> everythinig cause hunter will take your hits P
fomarl: s/d/j/z and get exp, unless you want to help more but why? just wastin tp...
Fonewm: *rafoieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee(or rabarta, gizonde)* everything dead http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif shouldnt forget s/d (maby j/z
Fonewearl: *megid**megid* no seabed left...

that gives me:

#4 fomarl
#3 fomar
#2 fonewearl
#1 fonewm

but every fo i good anyway, but fonewms are how fo's are meant to be....

[ILLI]

but every fo i good anyway, but fonewms are how fo's are meant to be....

SWEET.. someone else that appreciates a man in stockings http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Soukosa]

On 2004-02-17 06:52, Garm wrote:
fomarl: s/d/j/z and get exp, unless you want to help more but why? just wastin tp...

You must not have ever played a FOmarl before or seen one do around the damage of a higher level RAcast.

[Zelgadis]

Fo's are the best in PSO. Dunno what the hell the other guy was talking about. FOnewearls may have a higher MST. But a FOmar was my first FO. He's hit level 152 recently....and simply put. He's bad ass. They look cool....and not all goofy like the Newm's. Newearls may be cute....but a cool looking FOmar can put them in thier place.

[navci]

He's bad ass. They look cool....and not all goofy like the Newm's.


Looking cool is a matter of opinion. :/
Stop bashing the newms or I'll have to hurt you. [/threat]

[ILLI]

I think he is just afraid of wearing fishnet stockings... he is stokophobe!!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[RicoRoyal]

On 2004-02-17 13:22, navi wrote:


He's bad ass. They look cool....and not all goofy like the Newm's.


Looking cool is a matter of opinion. :/
Stop bashing the newms or I'll have to hurt you. [/threat]


And so shall I.

[RicoRoyal]

Who in the hell keeps voting for the FOmar. I think it's been more than verified by people that the FOmarl deserves to be keeping the lead on this here poll. People have given their reasons for liking the FOmarl. Some people cough*silvermax*cough has gone as far as to get angry when I accidently offended the FOmarl. For that I apologize. But back on topic; if you are voting for the FOmar (which I really don't see why), at least have the guts to put your money where your mouth is. I agree with Illi, FOnewms are what forces were meant to be. But even if you disagree with that (and alot of you do), at least back up your reasoning.

I've noticed a large majority of you have taken the liberty of bashing on the FOnewm; so, mi casa es su casa... now it's my turn. FOmars are the saddest excuse for a FO I have ever seen. I was hoping I wouldnt have to resort to overgeneralizations(stereotypes to some), but since some people have already taken the liberty of categorizing FOnewms as ugly, well, I thought I'd return the favor to your FOmar loving...cough... people. How dare any of you criticize FOnewms for having metallic skirts and tights (see"superheros", ie Batman, Superman, etc.) when the FOmar wears... and I don't think some of you realize this... A FREAKING DRESS!! Yes, a dress, people. The FOmar wears a dresssssssssss. Now for the stereotyping. I'm all for support forces, I think they are great. FOmar have boost to support techs... how nice, but it would be nice if THEY ACTUALLY USED THEM. Only on the rarest of occasions have I seen a FOmar be a "good" (not even great) support FO. They are always too busy doing trying to melee with 3-hit combos (MISS, MISS, *HUcast kills target first*, whoosh...nothing), rather than oh, I dunno... using magic, or umm, I dunno, using support techniques. Pathetic... Oh, and I'm not done with what many will come to call my "rant".

People on this board seem hellbent on bashing on any FOnewm (and FOnewearl as well) who tries to melee. Well, WTF. For all you FOmars out there, have you actually seen what your max ATA is? 163... yes, 163. TO that I say, NO!! BAD FOMAR, BAD!!(hits FOmars over the head with rolled up newspaper). How can any of you expect to melee (with that extra ATP you all brag about so much) when all you do is miss!!!! FOnewms have ATA at 180... and we are the ones who get criticized? Wow, bravo... bravo... I'm done for now. If I think of anything else to say, I'll make sure to Edit. All I ask is that if your a FOmar and you really believe you deserve to overtake the FOnewm on this poll (as insignificant as the results may be to some), at least back up your vote with some reasoning. Thank you, and sorry for the "rant". *Awaits to get flammed to death by crossdressing FOmar* Okay, I've crossed out my Rant now. I just posted it so that I could get some educated, well thought out responses about why FOmar deserves to get votes. Thank you Ian-KunX for your informative post. Now it's time for everyone else to remember to explain why you voted for whichever FO it is you favor. Thank you, and I apologize to anyone who may have been offended by my post.

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[mafuwally]

My only complaint about ant of the FO's is thier lack of power. Otherwise they are great. My FOnewm is only lvl 27 but he's on hard mines so hes good.

[flash_fire]

On 2004-02-18 21:27, RC4 wrote:
How can any of you expect to melee (with that extra ATP you all brag about so much) when all you do is miss!!!!

FOmars dont miss if they use weapons that have HIT%.

Oh, and FOnewms rock too. RA tech boost=better than all other boost(especially pansy support boost)

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[navci]

On 2004-02-19 05:07, mafuwally wrote:
My only complaint about ant of the FO's is thier lack of power. Otherwise they are great. My FOnewm is only lvl 27 but he's on hard mines so hes good.


If FO also have power then they will be unstoppable.
I mean, if a FO has a HUcast's power and with SDJZ... ooh, that would be too beautiful *teary eyed*...

And completely destroy the balance of this game. Heh.
Oh yes, back in v1, those were call HUmars. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Nai_Calus]

Wow, nice flaming job there. And you bitch about people flaming FOmarls/FOnewms/melee FOnewearls... Pot, kettle, black? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Keep in mind, for one, that while the FOnewm does have a higher max ATA than the FOmar, his growth on it is even worse than the FOmar's.

Ever hear of robes? Granted, ST sure picked an odd design. The original concepts were much better. No weird poufy sleeves.

I see very few FOmars who don't do at least some form of support. Maybe you're running off too quickly at the start of the level and they get pissed at you?(Force pet peeve #43,255 - HU/RAs that run off before I can S/D, and then yell at me for it. Screw you. I will S/D you after I J/Z and I don't have an enemy in my face.)

Another pet peeve is people who seem to think you have the same Resta/Anti range as a FOmarl/FOnewearl. Uh, no. You have Resta, Mr/Ms HU/RA? Guess what. That's my range too. All I give you is more HP because I have better MST than you do.

You people really, really need to stop playing on Antares 8 and Vega 1. I see plenty of competent support FOmars. I -am- a competent support FOmar.

Are you basing your 'FOmars worst of the Forces' on the idiots playing them? Guess what, every class has idiots playing it.

Are we going by MST? FOmarl's is worse.

Tech boosts? Who has better is open to debate. Support? FOnewm loses there. Damage? FOmarl there, she's only got one, and you don't Grants everything, now do you?(If you do, go bang your head on the wall, please.)

ATP? FOmar wins.

ATA? FOmar has the lowest in the game. You're gonna want good Hit % on any weapon used for melee by a FO, though.

DFP/HP? Yeah, that FOnewearl ain't so hot on those either, is she?

Which FO would I be most happy to have on my team? FOmarl, obviously, unless she's another of the bad support melee camp.(Most are, in my experience. Oooh, where does that leave your theory of all FOmars being horrible support FOs?)

Which FO would I vote off of Ragol?
Generally, FOnewms. Before you lynch me, let me state that in my experience FOnewms are the WORST support FO possible. No bonuses to range of any sort, they -don't- as a rule have any concept of keeping the team S/Ded, almost -never- J/Z, or do Jellen but not Zalure or vice versa, and constantly spam their techs thinking they're 'helping' when in reality they just damage cancelled an 800 damage hit from the HUcast with their own 250 damage Rafoie.

Obviously, there are exceptions. All FO classes can be played as good support, and all can be played by retarded crack monkeys who suck ass and should go back to whacking at things with their HUnewearl.

Why do I pick a FOmar? Because I like him. He does it for me. Why do people use RAmars? They're a worthless class with nothing to defend them. Hey, people LIKE their RAmars. You like your FOnewm. I like my FOmar. And my FOnewm. My FOnewearl isn't bad. I'm ambivalent on my FOmarl so far, but I haven't used her much. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, they're all better in certain situations(FOmar owns Temple and Spaceship so hard it's not even funny, FOnewearl owns Seabed like mad, FOnewm offline owns Ruins and most of ep1, FOmarl owns all at support if played right, All FOs geared properly and played properly are lethal killing machines that can keep the team going indefinately, or at least until they run out of fluids and have to go back to P2 for more.)

Saying one is truly better than the other is just stupid. They all own, they all suck. *shrug*

[navci]

Er. Now now.
Let's just end this, okay? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Myopathy]

On 2004-02-19 06:35, flash_fire wrote:


On 2004-02-18 21:27, RC4 wrote:
How can any of you expect to melee (with that extra ATP you all brag about so much) when all you do is miss!!!!

FOmars dont miss if they use weapons that have HIT%.

Oh, and FOnewms rock too. RA tech boost=better than all other boost(especially pansy support boost)


Pansy support boost? Well we know you're not one to be a team player. In my opinion, as a non-FO, that "pansy support boost" you're talking about is one of the best things about FOs. And no I'm not saying that you all should be support bitches all the time. But it's probably one of the most useful things a FO can possibly have if you are playing in a TEAM. Sure it's not too useful if you play by yourself, but in a team, that range boost is better than anything your Rafoie can do, especially in harder Ultimate stages. Also, that support boost is the only reason I would want to play as a FO (that and Megid) because if I'm going to play as a FO, I'm playing as support. I have played with good FOs many times, and they do both jobs, support and attacking. Although their attacking helps and it'll save us some time, it's not too significant and might even go unnoticed. However, if I'm ever playing Ult Ruins or Ult Seabed with a FO that doesn't support, it's very significant, and I damn well WILL notice it.



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[BlueSummer]

Well mine has to be a FOmar, Because they are good in being a Melee Force! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif


~BlueSummer

[navci]

On 2004-02-19 16:09, BlueSummer wrote:
Well mine has to be a FOmar, Because they are good in being a Melee Force! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
~BlueSummer


*slaps hand on forehead*
Have you read any of the posts that were posted in this thread? Really, every FO has a potential to become a melee FO if you know what you're doing.

[Ketchup345]

On 2004-02-19 17:12, navi wrote:


On 2004-02-19 16:09, BlueSummer wrote:
Well mine has to be a FOmar, Because they are good in being a Melee Force! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
~BlueSummer

*slaps hand on forehead*
Have you read any of the posts that were posted in this thread? Really, every FO has a potential to become a melee FO if you know what you're doing.


And also, I think that it was mentioned that FOmars aren't as good as FOmarls at meleeing.

But everyone can melee, even FOnewearls and FOnewms (takes longer to kill stuff obviously, but they can).

[flash_fire]

On 2004-02-19 17:19, Ketchup345 wrote:

And also, I think that it was mentioned that FOmars aren't as good as FOmarls at meleeing.



FOmars are just as good at meleeing, and do more damage per hit too. FOmar and FOmarl are equal Melee fighters, The FOmarl has more HP and DFP but the FOmar can dish out more Damage and has higher EVP. Just depends on whether you like to be cautions or not.

And in response to Ezellaur, my first char was not a Force, but a RAcast. I Like having support, and I support the team, but I find Attack Tech boosts to be FAR more useful below ULT, and Offline. The support range boost doesn't really do anything except make you not have to walk as far, and I personally am one of those people that say, if you want S/D, then get your ass over to me, I won't go to you, same with Resta or Anti. Reverser I will walk to people to give though since they obviously can't move.... I cast S/D ONCE until it wears off me, unless someone died, then I will recast it for them. Many people consider me a bad team player because I don't go out of my way to chase people down with my support techs, but perhaps it is rude of them to think that I like to spend my entire time running around healing people because they don't know how to do combos right to keep the monsters off them, or they don't know how to dodge an attack that leaves them a status effect.

[Soukosa]

On 2004-02-20 10:31, flash_fire wrote:


On 2004-02-19 17:19, Ketchup345 wrote:
And also, I think that it was mentioned that FOmars aren't as good as FOmarls at meleeing.

FOmars are just as good at meleeing, and do more damage per hit too. FOmar and FOmarl are equal Melee fighters, The FOmarl has more HP and DFP but the FOmar can dish out more Damage and has higher EVP. Just depends on whether you like to be cautions or not.

FOmars and FOmarls are equal at meleeing. Both will need weapons with a fair amount of Hit on most weapons to be able to hit things. There's only a 7 ATA difference, while that will make a difference, it won't make that big of a difference, especially when you use weapons a lot of Hit.

I swear that this whole blah class is better than blah class because of blah blah is getting really old.

[rising_sunset]

If FOnewearl is protected right in a team, they can be pretty devastating!