[Expletive Deleted] American animators. Go [Deleted] yoursel

[AidaKensuke]

As you all know, Spike TV is a channel for men, and I respect any type of oddity like that, especially a daring idea such as that.

What I don't like...is when something stupid, not daring, but so dastically stupid comes out that ruins the perspective of what other, less-informed people think of my favorite thing in whole, wide universe.

Anime. Japanese animation. Japanamation. Those cartoons.

(Side note: I hate the word "cartoon".)

Thank you Spike TV, for bringing into the animation industry yet another foolhardy attempt at either money, ratings or the like.

Thank you for Pamela Anderson's Stripperella.

Just what we need! A former internet porn video heiress, starring in an animated feature about a stripper. Well howdeefuckingdo! That's sure going to make parents view any type of animation with less and less animostiy until it's going to be a bunch of politically correct anthropomorphic sheep, singing about monopolies, seperation of church and state, and why Pepsi and Coke should get along.

Not to mention the anime industry is already shaky in America. Now personally, I could care less if newer generations can't get their hands on anime titles deemed unfit by their parents. Hey, it's their parent's choice not to let them watch it, but when it gets to the point that shows like Stripperella cause parents to assume all animation is like that, then there's gonna be hell to pay. Seriously! Well, this is pretty much a re-made thread (More like three, judging by the ride range of subjects I've covered, but meh.) Anyway, what are your thoughts? If you can actually have sentient thought patterns after reading this post devoid of anything intellegable.
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don't use 'gay' & 'jap' - very degrading terms


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[Solstis]

Because Japanese animation and American animation strictly correlate, and parents are obviously going to assume that Stripperella is based on Japanese Animation.

Of course, the wise decision is to get rid of American animation, because the superior Japanese animation clearly outclasses it... and it doesn't deserve to live.

I see your point, but no.
No.
And no.

I wonder if you are speaking from experience, because I'm sure that many parents would understand the difference between the U.S. and Japan.

Not to mention Japan pumps out some risque crap too (in fact, a lot).

[DeathCheese87]

Is the word 'cartoon' a bad thing? I don't understand.

And let the Japanese do what they want to. They can animate better than MOST people. Sure, I don't prefer Japanese animation, but you still have to respect the fact that they're the best at it.

The American animation industry has been doing okay, if you ask me. Sure, most of everything on Spike is horrible, but you have to look elsewhere. Like children's programming. Look past the kiddy aspect and appreciate the animation as art.

And don't use the three letter J-word.

[AidaKensuke]

I was on a animalistic rage at the time of that post, and seeing someone question me, calmed the beast inside.

I wouldn't say I'm experienced with anime, but I have my fair share of manga titles, which are usually less scrutinized, and anime DVDs.

My judging was based on the effects of the video game theory. When one game (Say GTA) has someting that parents find outlandish, it's kind of like a chair reaction. Um..kind of like the V-Chip! And mass punishment! Racisim! It seems that if one thing has something a parent doesn't like, it's as if the entire product/genre has to be eliminated for the safety of their children and the unnessassary concern of the millions of other children in America.

And yes, Japan is nearly tenfold as risque as America, but as you should well know, they are more open about it. While there ARE anime and manga titles (mostly h-doujin) set on the sexual side, it's more or less that anything risque in a quality anime is intended for the storyline, comic relief, parodies, romance, ect. There are times when it does overstep it's boundries, but I'm not familiar with many anime series' that are based on a stripper, directed and voiced by an obvious sex item/idol/scandal. Agent Aike is almost to that point, and maybe that one about another secret agent that comes with a free pair of panties, but I guess I got my point across.


Edit: I was only using the three-lettered expletive to prove a point. Most fans of japanese animation have at least run across a person who's all like "You want those japanese (Happy? oO; ) cartoons? You queer" or something of the sort. I didn't intend to use it in any degrading way, save for the people who actually use it.

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don't use 'gay'!

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[BogusKun]

I'd have to say the power and impact Japanese cartoons have on American Media today is pretty much off the roof. You can compare very few cartoons in America as "Not-for-the-young". And japanese anime as "mystery". Though the barrier between our two countries have not fully surfaced as much as... China, Mexico, and England... most parents can't decide for children. They decide themselves, because America has monitorred such shows in it's own country, to where as, Japan... used to showing their many obscene shows Vs America's. The only shows we can dispute are the Simpsons, South Park, and Beavis and Butthead... Japan has many shows...
And it is very difficult for American Media to compare to the Japanese, because of their lifestyle...

Maybe this had little to pertain to your topic and thoughts.... but I just want to sort of point it out.

[AidaKensuke]

Thare IS also anime out that is obsene, and thakfully, I suppose, that it hasen't made it to American airwaves yet for the most part. Sure there's some tapes at f.y.e. and other such stores.

But now that I think about it, it's getting to be the same way in both countries. The American animation here could be taken more lightly, like Stripperella, just like the rather riqsue things in Japan are considered the norm. Maybe what I'm getting at is, do we really need shows like that (American, Japanese or otherwise) ruining the image for the rest of the better, and tasteful animation?


..I admit it. I watch Family Guy. And Invader Zim. And Rocko's Modern Life. Sonic. Mario. Zelda. So there. Just thought I'd add that, seeing as I'm not very good at explaining what's on my mind.

[BogusKun]

There are a handful of HAPPY, man loving little boys, adults and children type sex anime out there in Japan and no one truely knows it. It's anime made by the expression of the author of course, Today's Japanese culture... it's still a little wierd that you buy a movie of such activity. And if you do, believe me, you'll be known for it.



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[AidaKensuke]

I've seen things from Japan you'd only see in your nightmares. o_o Everything from very screwed up Jrock bands, to Evangelion: Death and Rebirth, to things I'd rather not talk about it's that sick and twisted. But then again, there's people like that in America too, although it seems a little more predominant here.


Although...there seems to be a crapload of h-doujin artists over in the orient...

[BogusKun]

I've seen it myself...

Jrock... the sickest group you can come across is the 'Dir En Grey' group... famous for it's completely horrific music video "Raison Detre" which was a rock music video about a girl stabbing herself in the eye having sex with Kyo, the lead singer of the group.
It tries to feature Girl-on-Girl, however, like most Japanese rock groups in Japan... Most rock band members are Male... however through cos-play, and make-up... they look female... so for you guys getting boners over those J-Rock stars...


Speaking of Dir En grey... their song Mistu to Tsuba (tsumi to batsu)/ Honey and Saliva (Crime and Punishment... which had lyrics about "having sex with a 14-year old on December 24th" had a video with just a performance but no picture of course... was an example of them "taking it easy" on Japanese media and Air...

Miya V... who is a bit of a Japanese Marilyn Manson is the man you're mentioning. His music videos are pretty sick if you ask me, and he could be considered as a dumb version (and extreme) of Marilyn Manson.

America had theirs... but of course, we ban our music makers videos.

[BogusKun]

On 2004-02-12 18:12, AidaKensuke wrote:
I'd rather not talk about it's that sick and twisted. But then again, there's people like that in America too, although it seems a little more predominant here.




Most of the reason America don't do it is that, this country is influenced by morals whether you have it or have lost it. And that drives to crime and punishment... of course, that's why we have serial killers as well (in regard to influence in the media). America takes that step, we are lesser than we were due to security in all fields whether it's real-life or make-believe...

Japan, seeming to have higher snese of morals in their country... don't tend to Rate and Ban like Americans... You watch whatever is on TV you turn it off, you go about your day... seeming as if you were watching, a form of art.

There are few cases of influential crimes in Japan. But remember that they don't have the same backdrop of government and policy as Americans.


...Remember that.

[anwserman]

And you know what I'm thinking?

If you don't like whats on TV, change the channel. Nobody is forcing you to watch it, remember? P.S. Though I typically don't bring this up - unless I feel the urge to - your language and certain 'choice' words you use are horrible.

Clean up your English please, and use words that don't make you seem like you're 8.

[BogusKun]

On 2004-02-12 17:40, AidaKensuke wrote:
I was on a animalistic rage at the time of that post, and seeing someone question me, calmed the beast inside.


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Yes, but you should still follow the rules a little, and change it. Take my advice. I had to do it once myself.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Yes of course 'answerman'. Change the channel.
Like all things it will go away if you let it.

If you don't watch it, you can be assured that many others are not as well. The sooner the ratings drop for # of viewers, the sooner it is gone(hopefully not to DVD to garner more publicity through advertisements).

On another semi-related note, is "Samurai Jack" American based animation?, if so then watch something like that for an anime-type fix when you're not popping in some Anime DVD's or tapes you own. The Samurai Jack episodes are pretty well done to some degree. I enjoy watching them even if they are "American based animation". You did mention others as well, Family guy, Rocko, Link/Mario Bros. shows(very nostalgic, actually have some of those myself to watch at will).

They may seem few and far between(quality shows) so don't expect American based animation to catch up to Japan anytime soon, or your average American to embrace Anime as a successful media form just yet.

Things like Cartoon Network's Toonami and Adult Swim help but it isn't anyhere near what it should be for Anime fans in America. Probably because the demand isn't too high yet as most aren't turned on to Anime yet.

[Firocket1690]

There are a handful of HAPPY, man loving little boys, adults and children type sex anime out there in Japan and no one truely knows it. It's anime made by the expression of the author of course, Today's Japanese culture... it's still a little wierd that you buy a movie of such activity. And if you do, believe me, you'll be known for it.

Questionable mod edit...
Bogus was using 'gay' as a term of 'homosexxual', not an insult. I believe that's allowed...
...right?



On 2004-02-12 18:03, AidaKensuke wrote:
Thare IS also anime out that is obsene, and thakfully, I suppose, that it hasen't made it to American airwaves yet for the most part. Sure there's some tapes at f.y.e. and other such stores.

But now that I think about it, it's getting to be the same way in both countries. The American animation here could be taken more lightly, like Stripperella, just like the rather riqsue things in Japan are considered the norm. Maybe what I'm getting at is, do we really need shows like that (American, Japanese or otherwise) ruining the image for the rest of the better, and tasteful animation?



Japan isn't as strict about some things as America is. Hell, if I remember correctly, child porn is legal...
But that's Japan. Why in all hell would Americans (I assume, most people on this board) choose Japan to be the standard to compare to? Because they choose to make better anime?
They only allow the 'clean' Japanese anime to be legally englished dubbed and officially released in U.S. Most of the 'dirty' anime stays in Japan.
If a kid imports stuff supposedly to be avalable to Japan, that's his choice. Because it was his descision, it shouldn't be set as a standard.
I can't think of one 'dirty' anime officially released in America.

P.S. Compared to Japan, I, personally think America sucks.

P.P.S. I sorta like Dir En Grey myself. Mainly for the lyrics, but not much more.


Edit: Oh, and if you want Spike TV disgrace, take a look at *forgot name of TV show* Airs at about 11PM Monday nights.
That's an insult to Japan. Period.
I've seen some of the Japanese game shows, and most are funny, not stupid and idiotic.

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[BogusKun]

On 2004-02-15 17:48, Firocket1690 wrote:

There are a handful of HAPPY, man loving little boys, adults and children type sex anime out there in Japan and no one truely knows it. It's anime made by the expression of the author of course, Today's Japanese culture... it's still a little wierd that you buy a movie of such activity. And if you do, believe me, you'll be known for it.

Questionable mod edit...
Bogus was using 'gay' as a term of 'homosexxual', not an insult. I believe that's allowed...
...right?

Mr. Bogus Notes: I don't remember offending anyone... but Dylec, I find replacing it with "HAPPY" is a lot more offensive than you think. I would never offend the gay, and also I don't call them HAPPY. That's a bigger insult to the homosexual than "gay". I know gay people, and put yourself in my shoes... you wouldn't call them HAPPY either. I'm serious about the change but, I don't hate you for it either. Thanks for pointing that out, but EVERYONE needs to watch what they say.



On 2004-02-12 18:03, AidaKensuke wrote:
Thare IS also anime out that is obsene, and thakfully, I suppose, that it hasen't made it to American airwaves yet for the most part. Sure there's some tapes at f.y.e. and other such stores.

But now that I think about it, it's getting to be the same way in both countries. The American animation here could be taken more lightly, like Stripperella, just like the rather riqsue things in Japan are considered the norm. Maybe what I'm getting at is, do we really need shows like that (American, Japanese or otherwise) ruining the image for the rest of the better, and tasteful animation?



Japan isn't as strict about some things as America is. Hell, if I remember correctly, child porn is legal...
But that's Japan. Why in all hell would Americans (I assume, most people on this board) choose Japan to be the standard to compare to? Because they choose to make better anime?
They only allow the 'clean' Japanese anime to be legally englished dubbed and officially released in U.S. Most of the 'dirty' anime stays in Japan.
If a kid imports stuff supposedly to be avalable to Japan, that's his choice. Because it was his descision, it shouldn't be set as a standard.
I can't think of one 'dirty' anime officially released in America.

P.S. Compared to Japan, I, personally think America sucks.

P.P.S. I sorta like Dir En Grey myself. Mainly for the lyrics, but not much more.


Edit: Oh, and if you want Spike TV disgrace, take a look at *forgot name of TV show* Airs at about 11PM Monday nights.
That's an insult to Japan. Period.
I've seen some of the Japanese game shows, and most are funny, not stupid and idiotic.

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I couldn't agree with the Dir En Grey lyrics to Crime and Punishment no matter how much I like them. Nicely created songs. But even if I were being artistic, you can't just say you're going to "F**K" a 14-15 year old at age 25+. It makes you a coward to even say so.



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[Temjin-On]

That show is Most Extreme Elimination Challenge. Yea its an insult to japan, but its also possibly the most popular show they have on Spike. Everyone I know has seen and loves this show. Its funny, but I dont get it. Its too racialy offencive to japanese people for me.

[Firocket1690]

On 2004-02-15 18:00, BogusKun wrote:
I couldn't agree with the Dir En Grey lyrics to Crime and Punishment no matter how much I like them. Nicely created songs. But even if I were being artistic, you can't just say you're going to "F**K" a 14-15 year old at age 25+. It makes you a coward to even say so.



Give Me Laugh Everyone feels
Give Me Pain that if time ended,
Give Me High their dreams
Give Me [nothing] full of contradiction...
Give Me Laugh A smile full of airs
Give Me Pain the more lies we tell
Give Me High the less places
Give Me [nothing] love has left to go...

your love that doesn't reach me, my love that doesn't reach you
look at it now...
your voice that doesn't reach me, my voice that doesn't reach you
look at it now... but...
An end begins a trivial matter.
It's a time to burn everything.
If I forget you without hesitation...

Serious injury laughs at me.
The time is changing, the passage of time,
burns me, you, now.

Solitude laughs at it likes.
You laugh as you look down.
The time is over, the time will stop, at the end of the time
sleeping with a kiss to unheated death.

your love that doesn't reach me, my love that doesn't reach you
look at it now...
your voice that doesn't reach me, my voice that doesn't reach you
look at it now...
Dreams wilt and return to dust, will they one day bloom again inside me?
I can't remember the dream that left me,
Does your voice reach me?
but...
... I said some, not all.
"24 Cylinders"

[BogusKun]

On 2004-02-15 20:00, Firocket1690 wrote:


On 2004-02-15 18:00, BogusKun wrote:
I couldn't agree with the Dir En Grey lyrics to Crime and Punishment no matter how much I like them. Nicely created songs. But even if I were being artistic, you can't just say you're going to "F**K" a 14-15 year old at age 25+. It makes you a coward to even say so.



Give Me Laugh Everyone feels
Give Me Pain that if time ended,
Give Me High their dreams
Give Me [nothing] full of contradiction...
Give Me Laugh A smile full of airs
Give Me Pain the more lies we tell
Give Me High the less places
Give Me [nothing] love has left to go...

your love that doesn't reach me, my love that doesn't reach you
look at it now...
your voice that doesn't reach me, my voice that doesn't reach you
look at it now... but...
An end begins a trivial matter.
It's a time to burn everything.
If I forget you without hesitation...

Serious injury laughs at me.
The time is changing, the passage of time,
burns me, you, now.

Solitude laughs at it likes.
You laugh as you look down.
The time is over, the time will stop, at the end of the time
sleeping with a kiss to unheated death.

your love that doesn't reach me, my love that doesn't reach you
look at it now...
your voice that doesn't reach me, my voice that doesn't reach you
look at it now...
Dreams wilt and return to dust, will they one day bloom again inside me?
I can't remember the dream that left me,
Does your voice reach me?
but...
... I said some, not all.
"24 Cylinders"



So did I...



On 2004-02-15 18:22, Temjin-On wrote:
That show is Most Extreme Elimination Challenge. Yea its an insult to japan, but its also possibly the most popular show they have on Spike. Everyone I know has seen and loves this show. Its funny, but I dont get it. Its too racialy offencive to japanese people for me.



I kinda think the show is hilarious... But they didn't have to do all of that god damn dubbing and shit. That kinda made me mad for a few seconds... then plop, some guy actually fell in a tub of shit... (why wouldn't you keep yourself from laughing?... IT'S A TUB OF SHI.....!)

[RuneLateralus]

On 2004-02-14 02:22, HAYABUSA-FMW- wrote:

On another semi-related note, is "Samurai Jack" American based animation?, if so then watch something like that for an anime-type fix when you're not popping in some Anime DVD's or tapes you own. The Samurai Jack episodes are pretty well done to some degree. I enjoy watching them even if they are "American based animation". You did mention others as well, Family guy, Rocko, Link/Mario Bros. shows(very nostalgic, actually have some of those myself to watch at will).


Unless you want to be stingy and say no cause the creator was not born in the US (he is a Russian native), it is American animation. With the exception of some of it production, the pre-production and post-production was done in America. The show also has a nice feel to it. It has its own sense of style that strays from both American and Japanese animation. It is not like Totally Spies, Teen Titans, or Cybersix...which were planned in US (well, for Teen Titans...I know for a fact that Cybersix is Canadian, and I believe Totally Spies is as well...but those there all had input and direction from Japan).

The problem is that animation has a bad reputation in the US for being only for children with some exceptions. Because of that, it is hard to find some selling point for it here...unlike places such as France, Japan, and Canada. Those countries have better oppurtunities for animators and are much more open to the stuff that is released.

And if you need a really good American animator to look at, try to see if you can find some of Don Hertzfeldt's stuff, like the infamous Rejected and also Lily and Jim. His stuff is absolutely amazing...and he just uses stick figures.



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[BogusKun]

Teen Titans is amazingly disgusting...

...What has our Batman creators come to?

[Ness]

On 2004-02-12 18:31, anwserman wrote:
And you know what I'm thinking?

If you don't like whats on TV, change the channel. Nobody is forcing you to watch it, remember? P.S. Though I typically don't bring this up - unless I feel the urge to - your language and certain 'choice' words you use are horrible.

Clean up your English please, and use words that don't make you seem like you're 8.



Damn straight!

Also, there's nothing wrong with American animation. So what if made a few dirty cartoons; look at what the Japanese have done. I enjoy anime alot better than I do American cartoons, but if you think that dirty cartoons is going to make everyone hate animation then you are no better than those that overreact to them.

[ABDUR101]

Being an avid fan of anime, and the majority of hentai, I don't care!

American animation, Japanese animation, whatever. It's entirely different perspectives for entirely different cultures. What else can be expected?

[Arislan]

Firocket, have you managed to see only a cross-section of game shows that have been brought over to the US? Besides a few Satellite channels, TV here sucks. Worse than anywhere I've ever been. Heck, I count myself lucky when I hit on some show with a guy or girl going about Japan trying different foods, and watch that for an hour. Yeah, there is anime on every once in a while (Fuji TV, 7:30, Fridays, Ata'shichi, best anime on TV), but by far and away, TV here isn't worth the time wasted in your life watching it, or even turning it on.

Now damn it, get that Japanese guy that invented Blue LCDs to invent some insulation!

[undevil]

No offense to the cartoon pornatics here, but cartoon porn is some of the lamest stuff I have ever heard of. I don't see how watching cartoons have sex with eachother is a turn on.

[ABDUR101]

On 2004-02-16 15:48, undevil wrote:
No offense to the cartoon pornatics here, but cartoon porn is some of the lamest stuff I have ever heard of. I don't see how watching cartoons have sex with eachother is a turn on.


Some people don't like animated shows, period. Some people don't like dubbed anime over the subbed. It's called preference. Everyone has something they get enjoyment out of, right?

[Solstis]

On 2004-02-16 15:59, ABDUR101 wrote:


On 2004-02-16 15:48, undevil wrote:
No offense to the cartoon pornatics here, but cartoon porn is some of the lamest stuff I have ever heard of. I don't see how watching cartoons have sex with eachother is a turn on.


Some people don't like animated shows, period. Some people don't like dubbed anime over the subbed. It's called preference. Everyone has something they get enjoyment out of, right?



It's all about how much imagination you have http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif.

And I love dubbed and subbed equally, odd, no?

On topicish: I'm starting to notice that a lot of anime is drifting into the "pretty-but-stupid" area lately. Is it just me?

[Blitzkommando]

On 2004-02-16 16:26, Solstis wrote:


On 2004-02-16 15:59, ABDUR101 wrote:


On 2004-02-16 15:48, undevil wrote:
No offense to the cartoon pornatics here, but cartoon porn is some of the lamest stuff I have ever heard of. I don't see how watching cartoons have sex with eachother is a turn on.


Some people don't like animated shows, period. Some people don't like dubbed anime over the subbed. It's called preference. Everyone has something they get enjoyment out of, right?



It's all about how much imagination you have http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif.

And I love dubbed and subbed equally, odd, no?

On topicish: I'm starting to notice that a lot of anime is drifting into the "pretty-but-stupid" area lately. Is it just me?


That seems to be the trend of all American television lately... That is why I play PSO over watching TV. And when I do watch TV it is usually a movie that was made 20+ years ago.

[BogusKun]

On 2004-02-16 14:12, ABDUR101 wrote:
Being an avid fan of anime, and the majority of hentai, I don't care!

American animation, Japanese animation, whatever. It's entirely different perspectives for entirely different cultures. What else can be expected?



What can be expected? Criticism. It's everywhere and we can't stop it.

I love Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry. I someone needs to have unwillingful sex with Robin because Teen Titans is a waste of money.

I think half of the anime in Japan now days are decent. While the other half is crud, especially when dubbed. It's like watching a hentai version of a Bruce Lee movie. Horrible lip movement (dubbing). Half the american cartoons were okay, especially during the late 80s and 90s. Batman being the best. The original Robin for The Series and Animated Series was highly repectable. That new Robin Tim was okay. Superman was a little okay except he WEARS UNDERWEAR OUTSIDE HIS PANTS... hich is a little okay but, if it turns on women, it's fine with me...

I am a huge critic when I see a Cartoon/Anime or VideoGame. I know it's going to suck when I see it, or play it. Even if I thought it sucks from looking at it... I play it, it'll be different, Like Final Fantasy 7.

Geez, nerve-wrecking topic... meh.

[Inu_Ranma]

I'm really sorry that I didn't notice/post in this topic earlier. Here's my point of view and my background from which I establish said point of view.

I've been watching Anime for a long time. I'm talking a LONG time. 15 years this year. I started watching Anime when I was in first grade, way back in 1989, and it was some of the only television that I had seen at the time. The first Anime that I ever saw was Hotaru no Haka, Grave of the Fireflies, and it was heartrending, and I bawled my 6-year-old eyes out, and I found the first example that I recall seeing of true art in film.

To me, Anime is another word for Animation, added in with a half-of-the-time emphasis on the style that populates much of the Animation which has come out of Japan. Anime can be American at times (that one show that was on UPN a couple years back...something Earth or Earth something, whatever it was, for example. It was made in Korea, but written, etc. in the US) but the style is mostly Japanese. Bottom line, though, it is a use of a Medium. It is, to me, like watching foreign films, or black and white films. More accurately, it's like watching foreign black and white films. It's a tripling of origin, style, and medium.

Is it good? I don't think that's a fair question to ask or answer. Anime, like most every sort of medium, follows a bell-curve of quality. There are TONS of mediocre Anime (many of which make it to the US), a bunch of slightly good or slightly bad Anime, and VERY few very good or very bad Anime. The same goes for American animation. That is, even then, an oversimplification, though, because the 'good' Anime is completely subjective. My favorite Anime (Utena being one of them, for example) can be Anime that other people absolutely hate. It's all I can to to respect their opinions because I would hope that they would respect mine and tolerance must begin somewhere.

I don't know whether that's considered on-topic or helpful. I may have pulled back, broadened, and gone too far out of scope. I just hope that I shed some light on how I feel, because I think, at least, that there are many others who feel that way.

On a side note, Samurai Jack (and the Star Wars series, by extension) is interesting and fun, but it has some of the most hideous character designs that I've seen in past years. They're just UGLY!

That is all, for now.

-Inu

[Firocket1690]

On 2004-02-16 15:30, Arislan wrote:
Firocket, have you managed to see only a cross-section of game shows that have been brought over to the US?
... huh ?
Sattelite TV gets the actual shows FROM Japan, not exactly 'brought over', but think about it this way.
My father purchased an illegal dish in Hong Kong, supposedly allowed to import shows from anywhere.(literally)

The airing times are slightly off schedule, but other than that, unedited. So, yeah, I have seen the actual shows.