Flowen's Combo

[Kuea]

i read a guide that said that if you equip flowen's frame armor(i think theres armor) and sword you get a stat bonus like the delsaber coombo
but my friend equipped these items and got no bonus
is there a real flowen's sword out there?

[VioletSkye]

To get the boost you have to use Flowen's Frame, Flowen's Armor and one of Flowen's Swords. Then you get a 50% boost to DFP, ATP, and EVP.

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[VulpesMundi]

I believe it only works with the 9-star common replica Flowen's Sword. Not worth the trouble by the time you're a high enough level to equip the Flowen's Frame and Shield.



On 2004-02-15 16:34, VioletSkye wrote:
Then you get a 50% boost to DFP, ATP, and EVP.

That bonus is only to the stats of the sword, frame, and shield. It's pretty small when you compare them to much better items that already have greater stats without the need of a set bonus.

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[VioletSkye]

yep sorry i forgot the mention that http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Kuea]

strange we're gonna have to try again.
thanks for the info.

[Polar]

Um... if you're looking to see the actual stats go up, I've a feeling that the boost is invisible...

[Armok]

On 2004-02-15 16:34, VioletSkye wrote:
To get the boost you have to use Flowen's Frame, Flowen's Armor and one of Flowen's Swords. Then you get a 50% boost to DFP, ATP, and EVP.

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Thats incorrect

The bonus are

50% atp of sword
30% def
20% evd

Yes it does suck

[VioletSkye]

On 2004-02-16 02:56, Armok wrote:


On 2004-02-15 16:34, VioletSkye wrote:
To get the boost you have to use Flowen's Frame, Flowen's Armor and one of Flowen's Swords. Then you get a 50% boost to DFP, ATP, and EVP.

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Thats incorrect

The bonus are

50% atp of sword
30% def
20% evd

Yes it does suck


Actually, you are incorrect. Its 50% in each case.

[Armok]

Have u tried this or are u again going on wat others have said. I have tried it and from what i remember (key word i have been known to make dum mistakes) found this to be correct.

Plz post stats of armor/sheild and your bonus when equiped and I'll go back and check

[VioletSkye]

On 2004-02-16 10:45, Armok wrote:
Have u tried this or are u again going on wat others have said. I have tried it and from what i remember (key word i have been known to make dum mistakes) found this to be correct.

Plz post stats of armor/sheild and your bonus when equiped and I'll go back and check


Not sure what you mean by going on what others have said. Can you be more specific as to when I stated something based on someone else's heresay.

If you want to lend me a sword to use I can check my stats, none of the swords I have access to works.

I can't get the DB %'s either for some reason. The only stat boost I can check is Delsabers. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I have almost all the sword models for Flowen's except for 1977. I also have the shield and Frame. I remember this working a long time ago when I first got the stuff but now I'm not getting any stat bonuses regardless of which sword I use. (I never use Flowens or DB gear, although I did try them last year when I got them) Any suggestions on how to make the stat %'s show up so I can verify them?

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[VioletSkye]

NM I figured it out, I have all these models, but I don't have the most common 9 star version LOL. So I'll try to nab one and then I'll post my %'s http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Tsudo_Plat]

Make sure your using the common replica, also occasionally when your equipping the item it won't show the boost, but then after you equip it and check your stats you'll see that there is a boost. Hope that helps somehow.


Edit: You beat me to the answer!... yeah, you gotta use that crappy 9 star one.


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[VioletSkye]

Ok I have to head out for a bit but I did get the 9 star sword lol. And looking at it briefly, it looks like its closer to 50% to all but I'll post my stats when I get back. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Ok I'll do Flowens Gear first

Level 158 char. Base stats without gear (709 ATP, 589 DFP and 811 EVP)

Shield only 63 DFP and 76 EVP
Frame only 91 DFP and 80 EVP
Shield and Frame equipped: +154 DFP, +156 EVP, +0 ATP
With Sword equipped: + 195 DFP, +191 EVP, +150 ATP

So we take the differences between the shield and armor without the sword equipped which is:

DFP=743 & EVP=967 and subtract that from the %'s with the sword equipped which is:

DFP=784 & EVP=1002. So we have 784-743=41 for the DFP and 1002-967=35.

So the difference for DFP is 41 and the difference for EVP is 35. So the final calculation is actually 45% to DFP and 46% to EVP. (4100/91=45 & 3500/76=46)

Without the gear equipped (sword only) I get a boost of +300 to ATP which ends up being 1009. With the gear equipped my ATP goes to 1159 which is +150 to ATP so it gives a true 50% boost (1500/300=50)

So in conclusion the "true" stat boosts appear to be (at least for my char):

45% DFP, 46% EVP and 50% ATP.

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[Armok]

Knew it wasnt 50% evd or def. Sure my hucast boost was worse than 40% evd def though. I have 3 flowen sheilds and 2 frames (all with slightly dif stats) and will try em all out see if the boost values are set or depends on attual stats. Will report back in a few hrs.

[Armok]

Ok I've got the stats in now heres my results

Flowens Sword Information

1140 base atp, 1482 Flowen Sword +21, 1653 with combo

513/342 = 1.5 boost even on max Grinded sword

Evade and Def Information

Stats def/evd:

Flowen Frame (F1) = 88/74
Flowen Frame (F2) = 84/81

Flowen Sheild (S1) = 71/72
Flowen Sheild (S2) = 64/79
Flowen Sheild (S3) = 65/74

Combos:
F1/S1: 159/146 -> 200/181
F1/S2: 152/153 -> 193/188
F1/S3: 153/148 -> 194/183
F2/S1: 155/153 -> 196/188
F2/S2: 148/160 -> 189/195
F2/S3: 149/155 -> 190/190

Going off your and my information increase in stats is none item depended and is set at +41 def and +35 evd when both Sheild and Frame equiped.

This boost is probabily based on
Lowest possible evd for sheild is 70
35/70 = 0.5
Lowest possible def for frame is 82
41/82 = 0.5

Edit
The lowest possible values are taken from the pso item database

I also assume that the DB and Custom Set will work along the same principle.

On a final note in my intial research I took the values as +41 and +35/(value of sheild and frame combined) this resulted in a much lower value of increase.


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[Ketchup345]

Can someone test the Custom Set? I did something similar before, and noticed no difference in visible DFP, EVP, or ATP when the whole set was equipped (I didn't notice if only having the Armor and Barrier had a visible boost; I only noticed the weapon doesn't change the shown stats for DFP or EVP).

I just want to make sure my findings were correct.

[Armok]

I will test the custom Set tomorrow but assume that the stats effects are going to be the same as the flowens.

[VulpesMundi]

I sat down and checked the three sets to be sure. I didn't bother with the Delsaber's set, as we already know for a fact that both the ATP and EVP double when both the Saber and Shield are equipped. I noticed that the armors only gained DFP and the shields only gained EVP. Since the Delsaber's set doesn't have an armor, this explains why there's no DFP bonus for that set.

Key: default stats / set stats = approximate change

Custom set...
Ray: 235 / 352 ATP = 50%
Frame: 88 / 128 DFP = 45%
Barrier: 71 / 103 EVP = 45%

DB's set...
Saber: 338 / 507 ATP = 50%
Armor: 93 / 135 DFP = 45%
Shield: 76 / 109 EVP = 43%

Flowen's set...
Sword: 342 / 513 ATP = 50%
Frame: 84 / 125 DFP = 49%
Shield: 79 / 114 EVP = 44%

There's a bit of variance, but I think those are caused by numbers being rounded by the game. In the end, we can pretty much assume that all three sets gain roughly a 50% ATP bonus, 45% DFP bonus, and 45% EVP bonus.

[Armok]

VulpesMundi did you not check my flowen frame post

The gain on the flowens set is always +41 def and +35 evd which is 50% of the minimum value that a found frame or armor can have.

Worst flowens armor stats possible to find
82 def - 41 is 50%
Worst possible sheild stats
70 evd - 35 is 50%




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[VioletSkye]

On 2004-02-17 12:19, Armok wrote:
VulpesMundi did you not check my flowen frame post

The gain is always +41 def and +35 evd which is 50% of the minimum value that a found frame or armor can have.



That makes sense. In checking a different armor, I found that to be the case as well. I wasn't able to check a different shield as I only have 1 of them, but I'm sure it follows suit.


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[Soukosa]

That's the lowest I have too. I'll check out the complete sets that I have and see what I come up with.

[Armok]

Sounomi see if u get the following values

Bonus
DB set +42 def +33 evd (based on VulpesMundi stats)
Flowen set +41 def +35 evd (confermed)
Custom set +40 def +32 evd (based on VulpesMundi stats)

If they all are confermed it can be added to the data base.

[VulpesMundi]

Oops. I guess I misread that post. That's what I get for skimming. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Okay, I'll recalculate then, based on the information that the bonus only comes from the absolute minimum stats of the armor and shields. Grinds still effect the weapons, though, as I calculated the weapons from a fully ground state.

Key: minimum stats / set bonus stats (actual bonus) = approximate change

Custom set...
Ray: 235 / 352 (+117) ATP = 50%
Frame: 80 / 120 (+40) DFP = 50%
Barrier: 65 / 97 (+32) EVP = 49%

DB's set...
Saber: 338 / 507 (+169) ATP = 50%
Armor: 85 / 127 (+42) DFP = 49%
Shield: 67 / 100 (+33) EVP = 49%

Flowen's set...
Sword: 342 / 513 (+171) ATP = 50%
Frame: 82 / 123 (+41) DFP = 50%
Shield: 70 / 105 (+35) EVP = 50%

Again, rounding causes variances. But yeah, in the long run it is indeed an all-around 50% bonus to the absolute minimum DFP of the armor and absolute minimum EVP of the shield.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: VulpesMundi on 2004-02-17 12:50 ]</font>

[Soukosa]

I checked out the Custom Set and what I got matches what Vulpes got, except for the Custom Ray, which only got 97 ATP bonus. I'm guessing that Vulpes's is grinded and that affected the amount of the bonus.