Sword or Partisan?

[ChronoLink]

Well, i'm sure that the question i'm about is ask, has been asked before, but i needed to ask this myself because people's opinions can change and new experiences are to be made. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
I, as a legit HUnewearl, don't know what to use: a sword or a partisan... if i had a god/battle this question could be scrapped, but since i don't... well you get my point. *BTW, if u have a god/battle for trade, i'm here http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif*
And please, if you give an answer, also name me a (fairly) good example of the sword/partisan you suggest is the best to use http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif.

thanks for your help in advance. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

*i'm sorry if i made mistakes, but my english isn't really good ^-^'*

[Butoden]

NP,

Partisan is faster than Sword, but Swords are more powerful than Partisans. I normally use Partisans, to play it safe.
When you use a Sword you're usually a little slower, which causes the enemies to attack you. With a Partisan you can usually run back before that happens http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

I think the Red Sword and Red Partisans are very good. Maybe Partisan of Lightning and Chain Sawd...

[Soukosa]

On 2004-03-18 11:09, Butoden wrote:
Maybe Partisan of Lightning and Chain Sawd...

Partisan of Lightning is not a partisan but a twin saber.

[Butoden]

oO They are?
Then why is it called Partisan? :-

ANYHOWS, I forgot to mention that Partisans have higher Accuracy!

[KingChaos]

lol,

y a sword or partisan or swords thhey rubbish with a twin saber

with pinkal it aint to hard to get a partisan or lightning

demo cmet is easy redria mil lily

i found a meteor cudgel the other day with my redria hucast, from a indi belra

[KingChaos]

On 2004-03-18 11:18, Butoden wrote:
oO They are?
Then why is it called Partisan? :-

ANYHOWS, I forgot to mention that Partisans have higher Accuracy!



yeah thats weird, i know why the lightning part's there

its goes well fast and he special is lightning

[Hrith]

Avoid swords on females, they suck at them, waaaaaaay to slow and static. Other than that, Butoden said it, Partisans have less ATP, more ATA ans quicker animation that lets you hit a full combo without retaliations http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

But I like swords better on males, S-Rank all the way !

[Blitzkommando]

Use the one that:
A) Has hit if both do, or don't, then consider,
B) Which you are more comfortable using,
C) Which has the better special,
D) Which has the percents on it.

After considering this, do you have a God or Devil/Battle unit? If not then Partisan, if so then consider Swords as another option. Also, consider which one you like the looks of, if you don't like the way it looks then you will probably grow tired of it faster, even if it is the worse weapon. And, as always, it is personal taste. I use swords and partisans equally, but have recently grown accustomed to my 45% hit Charge Berdys. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Just choose whatever you are most effective with or that you enjoy using the most.

[Genoa]

Partisan of Lightning... yet it's a Twin Saber
Psycho Wand... the description says cane, the name itself says wand, yet it's a rod.
Rainbow Baton.... a Slicer. Names of other weapon types. But you'll just have to ignore the names.
Anyways, Swords are good if you have good acuracy and the place you're at doesn't have fast attacking foes. Unless you have a Battle slot other than General. Partisan is weaker indeed, but alot more accurate and fast enough to attack without interuption. Depends on what is the seksiest to you... don't go by stats. Looks are what it's all about with pso.... right?!

[Solstis]

Hucaseals seem to have a faster sword animation than Humars do.

Just wanted to point that out.

[Genoa]

HUcaseal and HUnewearl have the same animation. They pwn with swords because they don't take a step up. Which means you have time to run backwards and avoid enemy counter-attack. I forgot to mention that. And HUmar and HUcast both have the same sword animation. I'm not sure about the other because I do not have Crazy Toon or any other sword usable by other characters other than HU's. And I never will.

[lain2k3]

Both male and female sword animations are good. Neither are very functionable in forest without god/battle, but they all work just fine in caves and ruins w/out god/battle.

but partisan animation doesnt work well in forest either w/out god/battle, so you're kinda stuck.

[Genoa]

FOmar + God/Battle + Soul Banish = http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[SJ]

Go with Partisans, the sword animation on females sucks and Partisans look sweet http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif especialy my luuuvly red partisan.

[Sharkyland]

On lower levels (Normal, Hard, and Ultimate), I usually went with swords for HUnewearls... and my partisan (only a Gungir vs. Dragon Slayers +max grind), so... I chose sword. Then this monster in the mines dropped a red box... and gave me a Red Sword, so... gungir vs. red sword+52... hmm...

[ChronoLink]

thanks http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif i actually thought that no one would reply to a noob-post like this http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

thanks again http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Genoa]

On 2004-03-19 03:47, SJ wrote:
Go with Partisans, the sword animation on females sucks and Partisans look sweet http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif especialy my luuuvly red partisan.


... wtf are you talking about? Female sword animations are the best. They do NOT take a step up on their last attack in the combo, giving the character time to avoid the enemy's counter attack. How does that suck? You obviously do not have a HUcaseal or a HUnewearl. I'm asuming you have a HUmar. (yuk), and I don't care what anybody has to say about female sword animations. It may not look the coolest, but it saves your ass in the heat of battle.

[Sharkyland]

And if you are still having trouble hitting things with the sword trying some stuff that boosts Accuracy.

[VulpesMundi]

On 2004-03-18 14:33, Kef wrote:
Avoid swords on females, they suck at them, waaaaaaay to slow and static.

But I like swords better on males, S-Rank all the way !

Dude, you have that totally ass backwards. Being a C-mode player you should know better than that. Females have the superior sword animation. Males horrendously step into the third swing, making it almost completely impossible to avoid getting hit in any difficulty (and even with a God/Battle in Very Hard and Ultimate). A female with a God/Battle has at least a chance to get away without getting hit in any difficulty). A female can actually avoid getting hit in Normal and C-mode using a full combo without the use of a God/Battle at all. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

As for the original question, which to choose between a Sword and a Partisan... I generally choose Swords, simply because of their power. Hunters can get rediculously powerful, especially with a strong weapon like a Red Sword, even to the point of killing most enemies within a three-hit combo. So lets consider a Red Sword versus a Red Partisan (arguably both the second best of their respective classes) at max grind...

Red Sword: ATP 504-715, ATA 37
Red Partisan: ATP 270-275, ATA 43

Lets assume you have a HU with 1000 base ATP. Lets calculate that into numbers, adding the weapons' average ATP. Remember that these numbers do not calculate as damage, but rather simple ATP. And also remember that Shifta bonuses and area % will make the Red Sword grow even stronger versus a Red Partisan.

Red Sword: 609.5 + 1000 = 1609.5 x 3 = 4828.5
Red Partisan: 272.5 + 1000 = 1272.5 x 3 = 3817.5

Look at the difference in the power. That's a HUGE difference. However, there's only 6 ATA between them. Honestly, that's not going to make much of a difference at all. The Red Partisan does have two distinct advantages, though. The first is that it has a more reliable combo. It's slightly faster and since your characters don't step into it as much as they do with a sword, there's a much better chance that you can pull a full combo without getting hit at the end. The other advantage is if you have a Whitill at your disposal. It's really easy to find a Red Partisan on Whitill. And when a weapon is really easy to find, that also makes it easier to find one with a hit bonus. Now if you can find a Red Partisan with a decent hit bonus, I would say use it. It may be a bit weaker, but in that case you're probably rarely going to miss. You may even be able to Heavy-Heavy-Heavy combo, which would greatly help to make up for its lack of power. In general it's all about how useful an item is and how well you can make use of it. This is also assuming that you actually want to use a Red Sword or Red Partisan. However, it's a simple example to show the true differences between the two weapon classes.

[PaleKid15]

Ummm... why did you multiply the atp by 3?

I use a red partisan w/15 dark and 20 hit. I'd day go partisan. Faster animation, longer range, cooler looks (IMO), and higher ata. You can use a sword in ep.1, but I definitely reccomend a partisan for ep.2. Enemy evasion gets too high for most to use a sword w/o hit.

[Butoden]

On 2004-03-19 09:40, PaleKid15 wrote:
Ummm... why did you multiply the atp by 3?

I use a red partisan w/15 dark and 20 hit. I'd say go partisan. Faster animation, longer range, cooler looks (IMO), and higher ata. You can use a sword in ep.1, but I definitely reccomend a partisan for ep.2. Enemy evasion gets too high for most to use a sword w/o hit.


Because both weapons have a 3-hit-combo.
And I'm not sure about the range. I think they have about the same radius...

[PaleKid15]

ok, x3 doesn't really accomplish anything, but whatever. Partisan definitely has longer range, quite useful in ruins.

[VulpesMundi]

On 2004-03-19 10:12, PaleKid15 wrote:
ok, x3 doesn't really accomplish anything, but whatever.

So I take it you just press the button once and then run away? The point was that they need to be compared the way they work. In a single hit a Red Sword will have an average of 337 more ATP (not counting Shifta and area %), and on a full combo a Red Sword will have an average of 1011 more ATP (again not counting Shifta and area %). Do you see what the x3 accomplishes? It shows you that the Red Sword averages over 1000 extra ATP per combo than a Red Partisan. Information is power, and so is 1000+ ATP. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Partisan definitely has longer range, quite useful in ruins.

Just slightly, but a sword has a wider arc. And a sword is absolutely better for De Rol Le, Dal Ra Lie, and Barba Ray. A partisan will only hit three or four sections, while a sword will hit four or five.

[Genoa]

If we're talking about De Rol Le or Barba Ray, I'd use a Slicer anyways. But Sword is better if it has good hit % OR if the HU has good accuracy. HUcaseal has great ATA anyways and she has the great sword advantage, making HUcaseal one of the best characters to use a sword. Red Sword and Chain Sawd are perfect because Chain Sawd replaces the need for mates (most of the time atleast) and Red Sword will pwn various enemies. And partisans are quite weak seeing that Rangers can also use them. Yes, partisans are more accurate, a bit faster, and have a slightly longer range. But swords are more powerful, wider range of attack (in width), and are better with hit%. They are similar to Mechguns. They pretty much need hit% unless you already have good ATA.

[Butoden]

On 2004-03-19 12:47, MegamanX wrote:
If we're talking about De Rol Le or Barba Ray, I'd use a Slicer anyways. But Sword is better if it has good hit % OR if the HU has good accuracy. HUcaseal has great ATA anyways and she has the great sword advantage, making HUcaseal one of the best characters to use a sword. Red Sword and Chain Sawd are perfect because Chain Sawd replaces the need for mates (most of the time atleast) and Red Sword will pwn various enemies. And partisans are quite weak seeing that Rangers can also use them. Yes, partisans are more accurate, a bit faster, and have a slightly longer range. But swords are more powerful, wider range of attack (in width), and are better with hit%. They are similar to Mechguns. They pretty much need hit% unless you already have good ATA.


Swords are better with hit%? What does that mean? When you find a Red Sword with 15 Hit, it'll be better than a Red Partisan with 15 Hit??

[Genoa]

Yes. Partisans have quite enough acuracy as it is. The only characters I would see needing hit on a Partisan would be a FOmar or FOmarl. Preferably Soul Banish. Seeing swords do extreming damage and hit multiple targets, they just need some more accuracy. A partisan needs more ATP. I do believe partisans should have more grind to them, but then again i'd change alot of things to many weapons. Especially mechguns.