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DezoPenguin
Mar 26, 2004, 11:40 AM
Or, more accurately, people who don't understand what the frag a one-in-X chance of something happening means.

*sigh*

We've all been there. We see there's a 1/512 chance of a rare monster appearing, a 1/28807 chance of a nifty item showing up, and so on. Then somebody comes along and says something like "I got that on my fourth time and ninth time, so that chart must be totally wrong!" or "I've done this thousands of times and still nothing happened! That chart must be totally wrong!"

It works like this. Every time the game, say, loads a Rappy, it rolls a 512-sided "die." If that die comes up 1, it spits out a cute little blue (or pink, or parrot-colored, as appropriate) peep. If it doesn't, you get generic yellow.

Each appearance is generated *separately*, with a *separate* roll of the die. You could end up with a whole room full of Al Rappies with enough luck. More commonly, you could see thousands of peeps and never see a darned one in a pretty color. But it's all luck. You are not entitled to exactly one for every 512. What that means is that if you take millions and millions of rappy appearances, something pretty close to one out of every 512 will end up being a rare rappy. The experiences of any one player are simply not statistically significant in determining whether a particular percentage is "right" or "wrong"--the sample size is just too small.

This is why casinos make money. They know the odds--and they apply them over millions of plays. They know that, even though individual gamblers will get lucky, over the long haul the casino will get rich.

LollipopLolita
Mar 26, 2004, 11:45 AM
This is why casinos make money. They know the odds--and they apply them over millions of plays. They know that, even though individual gamblers will get lucky, over the long haul the casino will get rich.

that and plus they are only needed to give back a small % of their earnings as winnings by law. vegas ones are required to just pay back 25% by law. so since they get to keep 75%, that's quite a bit. indian gaming pays back less.

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KaFKa
Mar 26, 2004, 11:48 AM
On 2004-03-26 08:45, LollipopLolita wrote:

that and plus they are only needed to give back a small % of their earnings as winnings by law. vegas ones are required to just pay back 25% by law. so since they get to keep 75%, that's quite a bit. indian gaming pays back less.

its the other way around, lollipop, by law they have to pay back 75% over a given amount of time, keeping 25% http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

LollipopLolita
Mar 26, 2004, 12:40 PM
really? thought it was the other way around. wow my brain isn't functioning yet. 25% is still a huge chunk considering their intake.

my brother in law runs casinos though! random fact...

KaFKa
Mar 26, 2004, 12:47 PM
yeah, its 75% payback, coming form someone who has studied nevada law http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

the sheer amount of money they take in is amazing, and to think its only 25% @.@


back on topic.. *cough*

exactly, the best comparison i've seen was where it was compared to having x amount of white marbles in a box, and only one black one, and every time (insert random thing here) happens, you grab a marble, see if its black, then toss it back in the box

Daikarin
Mar 26, 2004, 01:36 PM
I know what you mean.

In almost 4 years of gameplay, I never got to see a SINGLE FREACKING HILDEBLUE.

shifter
Mar 26, 2004, 01:46 PM
i guess im a tad luckier than you, ive seen one since i started playingmore than a year ago. but yea, ive heard the stories of people who ran into two or three rare monsters of the same type in less than a half hour. they might be lying, they might not, i dont know or care to much. ill just be glad when that one rare enemy pops up and drops some uber rare item.

Kasumi19
Mar 26, 2004, 03:25 PM
On 2004-03-26 10:36, Even_Jin wrote:
I know what you mean.

In almost 4 years of gameplay, I never got to see a SINGLE FREACKING HILDEBLUE.



I have only seen one and there was no chance of getting a rare for it since it was in challenge mode stage one. I was playing a two person c1 and the map was decent up until then, but we somehow made it through.

Bradicus
Mar 26, 2004, 04:03 PM
I never got to see a SINGLE FREACKING HILDEBLUE.