CQC RAmar....

[kazuma56]

What weapons should I hunt for, for my CQC (Close-Quarter Combat) RAmar? Currently I only have 3 weapons, a Twin Blaze with 0 percents, A Red Saber with 15 or 20% to hit, and a Charge Gungnor with 50% to hit.

BTW I'm offline only so that will probably shorten the list.

[kazuma56]

? no opinions/suggestions?

[rising_sunset]

you mean a meleeing RAmar? Perhaps a double saber, twin brand, or mkb? Or any kind of weapon that hits mutiple times at close range. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Zero999]

section id? lv? mode?

[Jason]

On 2004-04-06 17:53, carolsdegga wrote:
you mean a meleeing RAmar? Perhaps a double saber, twin brand, or mkb? Or any kind of weapon that hits mutiple times at close range. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



He mentioned a Twin Blaze, that is a Twin Saber type like Double Saber and vice versa. A good one. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

[kazuma56]

well, i'm a Greenill RAmar, lvl 166 and in Ult mode.

[Hrith]

You are Lv166 and need guidance o_O

[Dragon_Ash]

well, i find twin chakrams pretty useful for a melee RA, twin blaze also, but you alread have one it doesn't matter about doublesabers... there are also claw types that could be useful for melee RA's, i've yet to find one, but either rika's claw or morning glory is good for melee'ing... oh and the yamigarasu is a nice weapon to use too http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[rising_sunset]

On 2004-04-07 17:29, Kef wrote:
You are Lv166 and need guidance o_O



Some people might learn slower than others. Haha http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif Trust me, I learn more slow than anybody...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[azngamer648]

Get MKB!!!

[Eihwaz]

CQC? No one will know what that means. I think you mean melee RAmar. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Anyway. For melee gear, you have Twin Blaze, which is pretty much the best DoubleSaber for RAmars. Maybe get an MKB with good percents? Or you could pipe Red Slimes for Morning Glory...

Gungnir with Hit is pretty nice, though a strong slicer might be more useful...like Red Slicer, or Rainbow Baton...

[rising_sunset]

On 2004-04-07 22:48, azngamer648 wrote:
Get MKB!!!



Not very easy weapon to aquire, only few have accessed to one legitly.

[PatserGOUKI]

On 2004-04-07 17:29, Kef wrote:
You are Lv166 and need guidance o_O



hmmm yeah strange....
melee ramar, another strange part, who chooses a melee RA...? Ra IS for shooting enemies, especially RAMAR.

Yasminkovs
S-Needle
Frozen Shooter
That are my tips...

good luck
PatserGOUKI

[BOmar]

On 2004-04-07 22:53, carolsdegga wrote:


On 2004-04-07 22:48, azngamer648 wrote:
Get MKB!!!



Not very easy weapon to aquire, only few have accessed to one legitly.


Meh, MKB isn't that hard to get.

It's just that it's found on Ep2 so people are scared to hunt for it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Cc08]

hmmm yeah strange....
melee ramar, another strange part, who chooses a melee RA...? Ra IS for shooting enemies, especially RAMAR.

Yasminkovs
S-Needle
Frozen Shooter
That are my tips... People have different playing styles... just the same as a melee FO, it is a challenge, and making a character that doesn't melee melee is fun and challenging. Just the other day I saw someone wanted to be a tech RAmar. Well anyways back on topic. Just search for a high hit Gungjr.

[kazuma56]

I'm not slow, I've been playing a RAmar since DC version 1, the only reason i'm asking for opinions is because some other ppl who have melee Ramars might know what other good weps to recommed.

and how is a melee RAmar strange? ST wouldn't make melee weps just for hunter's and Rangers for no reason now would they?

Also, I do have an MKB, but it's also **** because it only has a 25% to A.Beast.

Also, I heard people wanted Melee Fo's which IMO is strange seeing as they have **** ATP and HP, which is essential for effective meleeing.

BTW, what is so good about a Rainbow Baton? it's a slicer with quite low ATP and it doesn't seem to have anything special about it that makes it worthwhile... so why do ppl say it's a good weapon? is it because it can easily get high hit %'s?

Also, I used CQC because most ppl consider using a gun melee (don't know why).

[rising_sunset]

On 2004-04-08 06:09, BOmar wrote:


On 2004-04-07 22:53, carolsdegga wrote:


On 2004-04-07 22:48, azngamer648 wrote:
Get MKB!!!



Not very easy weapon to aquire, only few have accessed to one legitly.


Meh, MKB isn't that hard to get.

It's just that it's found on Ep2 so people are scared to hunt for it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif
It is VERY VERY VERY hard. (for someone as unlucky as me)

It took me 6 month of EP2-ing to get my first mkb from a skyly mericarol...

>.<

[kazuma56]

I got it within 5-6 runs with my Fomar in offline multi-mode.

[Zero999]

mabey agito 1975? then change it into oritioagito?

[Hrith]

On 2004-04-08 17:50, Zero999 wrote:
mabey agito 1975? then change it into oritioagito?
Agito 1975 and Orotiagito are Hunter only.

[Cheep]

Twin blaze is awesome on cheep http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Shes a ramarl so it would probably work for you too,my brother uses one on his ramar. I could ask him,he does that..

[Eihwaz]

On 2004-04-08 17:31, kazuma56 wrote:
I'm not slow, I've been playing a RAmar since DC version 1, the only reason i'm asking for opinions is because some other ppl who have melee Ramars might know what other good weps to recommed.

and how is a melee RAmar strange? ST wouldn't make melee weps just for hunter's and Rangers for no reason now would they?

Also, I do have an MKB, but it's also **** because it only has a 25% to A.Beast.

Also, I heard people wanted Melee Fo's which IMO is strange seeing as they have **** ATP and HP, which is essential for effective meleeing.

BTW, what is so good about a Rainbow Baton? it's a slicer with quite low ATP and it doesn't seem to have anything special about it that makes it worthwhile... so why do ppl say it's a good weapon? is it because it can easily get high hit %'s?

Also, I used CQC because most ppl consider using a gun melee (don't know why).


There's nothing wrong with a melee RAmar. It's just not a very common thing, I think.

And choosing between Twin Blaze and MKB can be tricky...TB adds a lot more ATP, but has variable ATP of about 220. TB adds 40 MST, and has high-level Gifoie for a special, but slowly drains your HP over time. MKB's special slices and enemie's HP in half. With a RAmar's high ATA, you could easily mow down enemies with that...Personally, I'd go with TB, but MKB is pretty good, too.

Forces have access to Level 30 Shifta, Deband, Jellen, and Zalure that makes melee a snap. They also have decent ATP (except FOnewearls).

Rainbow Baton is actually the -best- Slicer weapon in the game, and it's usable by ALL characters. And yes, the reason it's raved about is becuase you can make one with uber Hit percents. Mine has 50% Hit...it's amazing. Pretty decent special too.

Well, a melee character mostly uses short-range stuff, like Mechguns. Of course, many "melee" FOrces use long-range rifles like Holy Ray, or Bringer's Rifle, etc.

[rising_sunset]

On 2004-04-08 17:41, kazuma56 wrote:
I got it within 5-6 runs with my Fomar in offline multi-mode.



Pure solid luck

[EndlessNight]

Melee RAmars can outdo a good many HUmars in close-quarters combat. Reason? THEY CAN HIT THINGS. Hunters are blind as a freaking bat. A RAmar with a focus on high EVP can defend from a HUmar's low ATA easily and also smack in with their own attacks, and usually actually hit them (God forbid we ever hit anything). I've played both. I use a HUmar only because they can wield Twin Swords and Heavy Swords. Anyway...

As said before, you have the Twin Blaze. That's your main bet for high damage, due to its multiple hits. If you like Daggers, go for a set of Pan Arm Blades, Rangers can equip them and they do pack a good hit, though not as good as the Twin Blaze.

I WOULD advise using some kind of Rifle also. At one point or another, you will need that distance shot, and your ability to lift a Rifle and put a bullet in something is not an ability to overlook.

The Yamigarasu is a good weapon, but not as good as your Twin Blaze. It won't hit multiple times, therefore not doing as much damage. It also drains HP, I believe at a faster rate than said Twin Blaze. On top of that, it's got an extremely awkward attack combo, being a katana. Unless you can get the attack combo of the weapon worked out, I wouldn't advise it.

You'll also want a wide-spread attack weapon, something so that if you get mobbed, you don't HAVE to focus on one enemy at a time. The Gae Bolg is the best weapon you can melee with in this style. It has a low forward motion (and you REALLY don't want to move forward as a melee Ranger, you don't have half the armor a Hunter does) and will hit pretty solidly with a Hard Strike, but it'll always tend to pale in comparison to your Twin Blaze. It's an option, and it's faster than using a Shot, but it's also not that powerful. I also wouldn't advise using Slicers for the reason I said before. They have a very high forward motion, and a very painful recovery on the third throw. If you use one, you'll probably end up getting thwapped over the head. And you don't want to be thwapped. You CAN use a Victor Axe. But that has the same problem as the Slicer, it has a fairly large forward motion and a painful third slash recovery.

As far as slots go, you're going to want to make yourself as close to a Hunter as you can be. Therefore I'd advise using a Power MAG to raise your strength, and using two God/Body units, a God/Battle, and a God/HP on your armors. That should raise your defense and your attack high enough so you're smacking the opponent good, still maintaining Ranger accuracy, and able to take a hit.

That's all I've got. Good luck, man.

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[Hrith]

1) Yamigarasu, especially with the RAmar's ATA, would be good in Ep2 due to its Hell special.

2) Rangers cannot use Gae Bolg.

3) Rainbow Baton is the most powerful slicer, and tremendoulsy packs a punch, although I admit the male animation sucks.

[Genoa]

Frozen Shooter, Spread Needle, Monkey King Bar, Yamigarasu, Rika's Claw, Berserk Mechguns (preferabley with hit... if you don't have those use the Vice mechguns), Guld Milla (hehe), P-Arm's Blades (good ATA... seeing your RAmar, great Paralysis), Red Saber (fully grinded), and Rainbow Baton.



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[EndlessNight]

http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=65&sortby=class

According to this, Rangers CAN use Gae Bolg. Are they wrong?

Also, true, Yamigarasu's Hell Special would be useful. I don't use Specials enough because of my craptastic ATA. So I sometimes forget to think about Specials.

As far as the Rainbow Baton goes, I just can't see someone with a low defense advancing that deep into his enemies. The male animation is pure crap.

[BOmar]

On 2004-04-09 05:28, rising_sunset wrote:


On 2004-04-08 17:41, kazuma56 wrote:
I got it within 5-6 runs with my Fomar in offline multi-mode.



Pure solid luck


Just like what you said is a lack of luck http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

The drop rate for donholm isn't that bad and it is one of the easier to find tower items.

More than "a few" have found them...

[Cheep]

On 2004-04-09 13:32, EndlessNight wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=65&sortby=class

According to this, Rangers CAN use Gae Bolg. Are they wrong?

Also, true, Yamigarasu's Hell Special would be useful. I don't use Specials enough because of my craptastic ATA. So I sometimes forget to think about Specials.

As far as the Rainbow Baton goes, I just can't see someone with a low defense advancing that deep into his enemies. The male animation is pure crap.


Rangers can't use gae bolg,or at least not any I've seen. Um,I think red slicer(very high cost>.<) is the strongest,can rangers use it? I think my brother uses an s-rank twin with a special(don't remeber) it works for him. I'd still go with twin blaze,mine is awesome!!

[Kuea]

well my RAmar can't use the gea bolg(or what ever it is)
but I love the stag cutlery, twin blaze, MKB and GULD MILLA

[kazuma56]

Well, I'm still use Ranger weps like Spread Needle and Frozen Shooter, but I like to melee as well so I created ths topic to see what makes a good balance between both long-range and close-range combat.

I would like to look for a Yamigarasu, but with the drop chances of it for my Virdia Hune, it doesn't seem like I'll find it anytime soon.

[Hrith]

I found a Yami in Viridia, and offline, not a bad drop at all, and there are more deldepths online.

[Dragon_Ash]

i've managed to find 2 items with the same drop rate from morfos.. so it shouldn't be that hard to get http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[kazuma56]

but I believe you see more Morfos than Deldepth (only on one floor), and I got a Twin Blaze from them the first time they dropped a red box for my Bro's Skyly....the seem to not like dropping PDs.

[Ketchup345]

On 2004-04-10 03:27, Cheep wrote:
Um,I think red slicer(very high cost>.<) is the strongest,can rangers use it?

Red Slicer (http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=218)
ATP: + 190-200
ATA: + 38
Max Grinder: 45
Special: Flame
Class: Slicer
Required ATP: 750
All but FOnewearl

Rainbow Baton (http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=579)
ATP: + 300-320
ATA: + 40
Max Grinder: 24
Special: Chaos
Class: Slicer
Required ATP: 570
Everyone

The Rainbow Baton wins in:
ATP (landslide), natural ATA, possibly special, requirements, and who can use it. Combine that with the ability to easily get 50%+ hit, and you will have an amazing weapon (and it's Redria only, and only availible from Hildetorrs, making for either very nice Forest of Sorrow runs, or some ok piping).

[Dragon_Ash]

well, the thing is about that is that the morfos's are only on the second seabed.. well offline, can't say much for multiplayer or online... there are around 7 or 8 of them there...
and luckily deldepth's are on the first floor of the seabed... being around 6 of them, it's easier work than going all the way down to the second floor http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

[kazuma56]

true, but for my RAmar, both lvls pose not much of a challenge, as for my Hunewearl.....

[lain2k3]

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif I'm pretty much conivinced that Ramars are the worst/2nd worst melee characters in the game, but as you choose...

MKB/twin blaze
yamigarasu/agito 1980 (for coolness)
charge gungnir (the one you have)
Rainbow baton/flight cutter (whichever you like for looks)

and try a resta merge, that would be funny.

[Skagen]

When I melee with my ramar, i like to use my stag and my frozen shooter as a combo, (freeze then fight). The S-beat blades are also pretty awesome when I melee. But i perfer double sabers.

[kazuma56]

don't know why you would think that Ramar's are the Worst melee char seeing as they overpower a Force in every stat except MST (and maybe something else considering the Force you choose), but everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I personally think that Force's are the Worst melee chars seeing as my lvl 120 Force gets 1 sinow Zoa axe handle and dies with lvl 30 deband alone, excluding jellen, and at lvl 100+ my Ramar still survived the attack even with his **** lvl 15 Shifta and Deband.... anyway, back on topic is a Yamigarasu stronger than a fully grinded Red Saber? because if it is, i'll gladly but that in place of my Red saber.

[Hrith]

RAmars are not very good at meleeing because of their lack of DFP, EVP and lack of Jellen/Zalure spells, their good ATP and excellent ATA + only Shifta/Deband really makes them awesome at ranged combat.
But some people like to melee FOnewearls, so http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Red Saber has a bit less ATP and ATA than Yamigarasu, but is easier to come by, and therefore has better odds at good % including hit BUT Yamigarasu looks uber cool, and its special, I think, would be better than that of Red Saber on a RAmar.

[Dragon_Ash]

On 2004-04-14 17:30, kazuma56 wrote:
don't know why you would think that Ramar's are the Worst melee char seeing as they overpower a Force in every stat except MST (and maybe something else considering the Force you choose), but everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I personally think that Force's are the Worst melee chars seeing as my lvl 120 Force gets 1 sinow Zoa axe handle and dies with lvl 30 deband alone, excluding jellen, and at lvl 100+ my Ramar still survived the attack even with his **** lvl 15 Shifta and Deband.... anyway, back on topic is a Yamigarasu stronger than a fully grinded Red Saber? because if it is, i'll gladly but that in place of my Red saber.



Your force gets killed in the seabed in one hit...?

My Fonewearl is level 136.. and i did the seabed at level 113... even with jellen and zalure the zoa's would never OHKO http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

but anyway, i don't see why you can't melee with ramars... melee rangers and forces seems to be the rage these days http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[kazuma56]

But my Ramar is pretty decent in ult at lvl 166 (or 167) because I have a DF Field and a Standstill Shield and all special units, except for my /ability type which is hero, also, my Ramar's DFP with Deband is in the 1000+ range, his EVP is in the the 8-900's, and before I max it will hit the 1000+ as well, now if I happen to find a Secure Feet or the elusive Aura Field, my DFP and EVP will be tons higher over my DF Field, thus making my RAmar pretty "Uber" in a sense. And the whole S/D, J/Z combination is so highly over-rated IMO now, in DC version 2 I started to resent using J/Z with my RAmar after a while, don't know why but it became too tedious to recast on every single enemy encounter, which sorta prepared me for GC version, and not using J/Z with my Ramar at all.

plus, A RAcast/caseal offline barely have access to the whole S/D, J/Z thing and yet they somehow are better than RAmars? online IMO is questionable, but offline they will never be better than a RAmar,

[Hrith]

heh, I never said you were not doing a good job at RAmar meleeing http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

but about RAcast/caseal, you are forgetting -- or understimating -- the usefulness of traps.

And it's funny cuz I find casting S/D more annoying than J/Z (online, offline is too easy anyway), at least J/Z gets you exp.

And the annoyment about casting techs is kinda missing from droid gameplay http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[kazuma56]

Strange, even when tried online for version.2 I didn't cast J/Z on enemies and just left the lvl 30 S/D the force cast on me, the problem I have with J/Z, is that you need to be in range, and it get's really annoying when you fight enemies in herds that then walk out of the range and then you have a few weakened enemies and some that have not been effected by it, but with S/D, you worry about your character alone and not having to worry if "I got all enemies with J/Z".

Also, I still only rely on my lvl 15 S/D while playing Multimode seeing as my bro has a Hunter and I have a Ranger, I tend to split up with him and kill enemies on my own, even in seabed (ult mode) meleeing 50% of the time.

[Jazhara]

1. S-Rank Twin with Spirit ES.

2. Charge Gugnir, good hit % (from the shop).

3. Plenty of cash. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[lain2k3]

On 2004-04-16 07:47, Jazhara wrote:
1. S-Rank Twin with Spirit ES.


1.Offline only

2.First post

3.=P

[kazuma56]

I want to go online for GC but after getting a Ramar to lvl 166 for the first time ever playing PSO, I wouldn't want to get corrupted and lose all my items and lvls because I still have some unfinished business with my RAmar..... not to mention that my Bro will probably kill me if he lost his Humar and his oddly found synesta.

[psoDCforever]

I like using s-beats blades with my ramar but since your in ultimate i guess thats not too great an option since all weps that you get be4 ult totally suck.(in ultimate)



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