Self defense needed.

[Uncle_bob]

Due to events in Uncle's life this week that some of you may or may not be aware of (See rants, "Friend's friend problem), Uncle thinks he should take some kind of self defense classes so he'll be able to protect himself if he's attacked. Or at the very least, put up a good fight.

Uncle noticed there is a Taekwondo place near by..is it worth taking? Or should he look for something else?

[VioletSkye]

Save your money. I used to take Karate classes (American Kenpo) and got my 2nd degree Brown belt. I also did kick boxing for a number of years and I can tell you that as a hobby and method of staying in shape it rocks!! but as a practical means of self defense, its not going to be nearly as effective as you think it might. A friend of mine used to do Toughman contest fighting and he would demolish black belts left and right. The reason being, that what you learn in class rarely applies to what goes on in the real world. I've known of people getting their Black belts and then thinking they are tough, only to get the sh*t kicked out of them in bar fights.

If you were to study under someone privately and did actual, physical fighting on a regular basis, you may be able to defend yourself. But from my experience, Martial Arts is primarily an excellent means of exercise. I'm not saying you wouldn't learn things that may be helpful, but for mere protection its not going to serve your needs well. You can't stop a bullet with an arm block.

[Dangerous55]

How old are you?

[ABDUR101]

All you have to know is:

Dodge, dodge, punch, kick, uppercut, run.

..or is that the code for infinite lives for a game back on the SNES..hmm. Well either way, if you know how to connect a hit to someone else's body(preferably weakpoints such as the side of the head, nose, below the ribs, privates, etc) and then either kick them afew times while they're down or start running immediately when they're winded, you'll be fine.

If they pull out a knife or a gun, I guess you could atleast taunt them, because I doubt you'll outrun/dodge any bullets nor be able to block the knife from penetrating your body, so you might as well get the last word in..of sorts.

[Uncle_bob]

Dangerous55:
Uncle is 15, in good/average shape.

Abdur: Heh, well, Uncle could probably take this person if he doesn't have a knife. That's the problem, Uncle doesn't really know how to deal with knife-weilding psychos.

[Dangerous55]

Nevermind then Uncle...

I was going to suggest this:

http://www.gunbroker.com/pixhost/2004-05-02/Borelight_1083900795_bereta2.JPG


Well, you still could, would be breaking the law.....

[Hrith]

On 2004-05-08 15:54, Dangerous55 wrote:
How old are you?
Bob or VS ?

I agree with VS, in order to be able to really defend yourself in real fights with Karate or Taekwondo, you will need to take class for like 4 years, and only actual fights -- or regular sparring -- can teach you useful stuff.

Besides if someone tries to assault you armed... either way you're better off with a weapon, yours to choose.

There's one thing that always works in street fights, aim for the nuts.



On 2004-05-08 15:59, Uncle_bob wrote:
Dangerous55:
Uncle is 15, in good/average shape.
Thought you were older. Oh, well.


Uncle doesn't really know how to deal with knife-weilding psychos.
Dodge it, people with weapons tend to forget they have other limbs to use, if you dodge their weapon, they're helpless -- and aim for the nuts http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

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[VioletSkye]

If you are actually thinking that some harm may come to you, then I would see about having a one on one talk with Kat's boyfriend. Maybe have a few beers and let him get to know you a bit, which may ease his mind and keep him from getting so jealous. Also you might suggest going out and doing something as a group. If you get to be friends with him also, its likely he will chill out when you call.

Scratch the beers part, I didn't know you were 15 LOL. On second thought, wtf, go for it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_beer.gif


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[EJ]

On 2004-05-08 15:59, Uncle_bob wrote:
Dangerous55:
Uncle is 15, in good/average shape.

Abdur: Heh, well, Uncle could probably take this person if he doesn't have a knife. That's the problem, Uncle doesn't really know how to deal with knife-weilding psychos.


Though you was older http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

knife-weilding psychos. Well people with wep think they aren't vulernable so just dodge and hit the legs and arm then run http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[geewj]

I took wrestling in highschool and it's helped me in many a physical skirmishes. It comes down to if they let me get in grabbing distance of them, then they forfiet the use of several of their limbs, and have me twisting them every which way. It's also pretty useful if you don't want to fight because it can hurt the person and much or as little as you want (as wrestling, for the most part, isn't meant to inflict great bodily damage). It's mostly just learning to get the most out of your limbs, and making sure they get the least out of theirs.

[note to self: Proof read posts]

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[Rainbowlemon]

On 2004-05-08 15:57, ABDUR101 wrote:
All you have to know is:

Dodge, dodge, punch, kick, uppercut, run.

..or is that the code for infinite lives for a game back on the SNES..hmm.


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

The worst thing is, that's the best laugh i've got all week! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

I would suggest joining a cross country club. Some people say that running is for wusses. Ironically, it's them that die first. Figures. If you've got the pace to outrun a drunkard, then you're good enough.

However, that's not going to help if someone takes you by surprise, so I also suggest, on the side only, just pickin up a few weights and maybe doing 10 minutes or so just lifting whenever you feel up for it. They don't have to be big, heavy, beefster's weights; actually, the better if they are not, but just so that you can get that upper hand on anyone that you actually stand a chance against by being the stronger.

My forte's still running though http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif...

~ Antimony

EDIT: Goddamit, I can't write an 'e' with an acute accent? What has this world come to?!

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[GuerillaPimp]

Tae Kwon Do? nah, two words for you: Genbukan Ninpo. If you study this tradition, you will be become strong warrior.

[Uncle_bob]

On 2004-05-08 16:03, VioletSkye wrote:
If you are actually thinking that some harm may come to you, then I would see about having a one on one talk with Kat's boyfriend. Maybe have a few beers and let him get to know you a bit, which may ease his mind and keep him from getting so jealous. Also you might suggest going out and doing something as a group. If you get to be friends with him also, its likely he will chill out when you call.

Scratch the beers part, I didn't know you were 15 LOL. On second thought, wtf, go for it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_beer.gif


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Uncle tried to resolve the problem with him yesterday, heh. Uncle asked him if he wanted to work things out and he said "No.".

So meh, can't work this out with him.


I would suggest joining a cross country club. Some people say that running is for wusses. Ironically, it's them that die first. Figures. If you've got the pace to outrun a drunkard, then you're good enough.

Uncle is one of the fastest runners in his school, so http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


Tae Kwon Do? nah, two words for you: Genbukan Ninpo. If you study this tradition, you will be become strong warrior.

Uncle isn't looking to become a "warrior", he's just looking for some way to learn how to defend himself. Although, he can probably do that already and is just underestimating himself. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Madzozs]

Combat Hapkido

[DarthFomar]

If you really want to kick their asses. Give them o'l crouching swan thingy..... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I just wouldn't fight them....I would walk away. You don't have to fight if you don't want to. But if need be....grab any weapon you can find and start bustin heads. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Shattered_weasel]

Shattered beat the shit out of some kid that was talking to much to him. It was funny. He was in wrestling and I was the one who put him in a few moves.

It made me giggle like a school girl when he tried running away and his shoe fell off.

[VioletSkye]

you can do it LOL
http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/karate-kid/karate-kid04.jpg

[Madzozs]

Im serious about Combat Hapkido. It is said to be one of, if not the, only self-defense art forms. It's also fierce. The best part is, it is all useful in the everyday world. Knife techniques(when someone is attacking with one, or you both have them), gun techniques(when someone has one near you), and hand to hand. You will be able to learn how to make them fall to the floor and lick your shoes with a single arm movement.

[ABDUR101]

On 2004-05-08 17:53, Madzozs wrote:
You will be able to learn how to make them fall to the floor and lick your shoes with a single arm movement.


Only if they don't shoot you first. I don't know many people who get within reach of someone they're going to shoot, and even then you better be damn quick, as in, quicker than their finger jerking to pull the trigger.

Really, just run uncle if he has a weapon of some sort. Call the cops and just go somewhere he would'nt expect, or atleast get out of sight. Your best option really.

I did'nt bother to read your other thread, but if there are issues between your friend and her boyfriend or whatever, it's most likely in your best interest to stay away. Obviously, unless you like putting yourself at risk. You would'nt exactly hang around a friend who has a friend who is violent right? Waving a gun or knife, making physical threats? That would be quite stupid.

[Uncle_bob]

On 2004-05-08 18:32, ABDUR101 wrote:

Only if they don't shoot you first. I don't know many people who get within reach of someone they're going to shoot, and even then you better be damn quick, as in, quicker than their finger jerking to pull the trigger.


...remember that old man trying to shoot the lawyer behind the tree, pointblank? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


Really, just run uncle if he has a weapon of some sort. Call the cops and just go somewhere he would'nt expect, or atleast get out of sight. Your best option really.

Unless he has a gun, Uncle will be too stubborn to run. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif



I did'nt bother to read your other thread, but if there are issues between your friend and her boyfriend or whatever, it's most likely in your best interest to stay away. Obviously, unless you like putting yourself at risk. You would'nt exactly hang around a friend who has a friend who is violent right? Waving a gun or knife, making physical threats? That would be quite stupid.


No issues between Uncle and his friend, it's just her friend/boyfriend is being an ass. Anyhow, like Uncle said before, unless he's waving a GUN around, Uncle will be too stubborn to run.

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[ABDUR101]

On 2004-05-08 18:41, Uncle_bob wrote:
...remember that old man trying to shoot the lawyer behind the tree, pointblank? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


No, I don't remember.

Too bad he won't be dicking around if he has a gun, because dead men don't speak.

And yeah, I know it's your friend's boyfriend, and I said if there is a chance of physical harm, it's stupid to keep hanging around. Why your friend is even with someone that has made threats or has you scared enough that he might use a weapon of some sorts is beyond me, but whatever, I don't have to worry about it.

Has he even threatened you with a weapon, or just to beat you? Even so, kind of stupid to put yourself at risk.

I'd just say the hell with it and stay away from your friend, not exactly something to get beat up over in my book.

[Madzozs]

As far as saying people don't get close enough to reach the other person or whatever, in most actual conflicts, the 2 people will be in close quarters. Just because he has a gun doesn't mean he is going to pull it right away. Most of the time it would be used out of desperation.

[opaopajr]

aikido? because it's non-violent and goes for the weaknesses in the joints? no matter how buffed a man is he can't workout beyond the limitations of anatomy - unless he's a circus acrobat/contortionist, then all you can do is pray. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

oh, and police and court orders are pretty powerful self-defense mechanisms too. when in doubt whether you'll win a fight it's always good to bring friends. and the law has a lot of friends. but hopefully it'll never come to that. but a good lawyer should scare the bejeezus out of anyone with even reptilian intelligence.

[EJ]

On 2004-05-08 19:05, ABDUR101 wrote:
[quote]
On 2004-05-08 18:41, Uncle_bob wrote:
...remember that old man trying to shoot the lawyer behind the tree, pointblank? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif I remember that but seriously I would try to avoid a fight with a idiot like him.

[Gnarled_rose]

I don't suppose you could take a crack course in Krav Maga? (The official martial art of the Isreali army, designed to end "problems" quickly, even if the punk's got a gun, knife, prosthetic limb...)
Well, your chances are that A) Even if there is a weapon involved, he won't know how to use it. B) The other punk won't know jack-squat about actual fighting. C)Even if he does, it'll all go out the window when the first punch is thrown(violence has that tendency.
Although, if Uncle wants my personal advice on the subject, violence never solved anything, the universe is ultimately on the side of justice, and fighting back makes you less of a man.




Unless he's trying to steal your woman? Is he trying to steal your woman? 'Cause if he is, you can tear his bleedin' head off--like Ozzy and the bat. Bathe in his blood or something, cause, man, you just don't go around stealing other dudes' women!




Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd like to apologize to the Feminazi* community for the term "Stealing your woman", and I recognize that it turns women into mere objects and I am truly, deeply sorry for any hurt feelings I may have caused.



*Anyone wondering "Just what is a Feminazi?" A woman who wants equal rights, thinks women are better than men in every way (Let's face it, they are.), opens their own freaking door, thank you very much, hyphenates their name instead of changing it when they get married, but the check comes around and all of a sudden it's "Aren't you going to be a gentleman and get that?"

Bite me, Feminazi!

[darthsaber9x9]

i really think you should all read his post in rants before commenting here: many of you seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick. and advice to uncle....erm i dotn really have any.

except that by the sound of things he wont do anything. he really does sound like hes all mouth and i really think he would have done summin if he was serious so dont worry about it too much.

on the other hand be prepared in case im wrong lol.

and if u dont mind ill add you to aim/flist on lj. (darthsaber88/darthsaber)

[GuerillaPimp]

On 2004-05-08 18:41, Uncle_bob wrote:


...remember that old man trying to shoot the lawyer behind the tree, pointblank? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif




LOL! Too bad all criminals dont have his "accurate" aim!

[Uncle_bob]

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif People seem to be confused about the relations among the people here, so Uncle will clear this up.

Kat = Uncle's friend, not Uncle's "woman"
Bob = Kat's friend/boyfriend, the one that refuses to cooperate with Uncle in fixing the problem
Uncle = Everyone's favorite uncle.

[Daikarin]

Well, based on my own experience, I can safely say that the best self-defence martial art is Wing Tsun
(Or Ving Tsun, or Chun), a Kung-Fu style based only on counter-attacks and that is extremely effective.

It's easy to learn but hard to master, and anyone can pratice it. Old men, ladies, kids, etc.

You basically learn to finish the fight in the fastest way possible, using blocks, counters and sensibility to attack the main human body weak points.

After practicing for a while, you instantly become aware of what to do in each situation. Boxing punches, kicks, and even learn the best way to deal with a multiple-enemy battle.

Trust me, it does work. At first stages it might look weird and easy, but later on you realise the deal on with the first classes and become a solid fortress, capable of countering ANY attack.

Some masters can be rough on later classes, but hey, it's for your own good.

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[Sef]

Get some kind of retractable weapon...

Like a stick or something.

[Evil_Althena8]

On 2004-05-08 17:20, Madzozs wrote:
Combat Hapkido



or, in any case, a baseball bat works.

[Uncle_bob]

You can't just walk around toting a baseball bat or sword or whatever these days. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[EJ]

if talking doesn't work as you said then avoid the whole thing and try to talk to kat again but I see that it hasn't help in talking to kat so EJ can't help Uncle sorry

[Daikarin]

There's always

http://imperfectly.imperfectpeople.com/images/dreams/katana.jpg

Kill (Uncle) Bill Vol. 3!

Or a stick, or some kind of light weapon that can be used to train in your defence, like a staff or a small pocket knife.

While we're at it, a gun can be useful.

[Sharkyland]

On 2004-05-08 15:57, ABDUR101 wrote:
All you have to know is:

Dodge, dodge, punch, kick, uppercut, run.

..or is that the code for infinite lives for a game back on the SNES..hmm. Well either way, if you know how to connect a hit to someone else's body(preferably weakpoints such as the side of the head, nose, below the ribs, privates, etc) and then either kick them afew times while they're down or start running immediately when they're winded, you'll be fine.

If they pull out a knife or a gun, I guess you could atleast taunt them, because I doubt you'll outrun/dodge any bullets nor be able to block the knife from penetrating your body, so you might as well get the last word in..of sorts.


I thought you were doing something from Parappa the Rapper. x_x Punch and kick, it's all in the mind...

Anyway, I don't know how I'd fight. Been studying pressure points and vital points lately, and I will not hesitate to go for them if I am attacked.



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[Scejntjynahl]

Uncle, once you do fight this cretin, and say you wint the battle. Will it really stop there? I mean, if this guy is an ass to even fight to begin with, what assurances do you have he will stop? A defeated enemy comes back with twice the vengeance (Germany anyone...), so unless you are planning in hospitalizing said idiot, dont fight him.

And what kind of a female friend do you have? Cant she do anything about it? I mean, if a friend of mine let me fight their significant other without any hestitation something is really messed up.

But if the fight is inevatiable, agree on the terms of the fight, take some boxing gloves, take friends on both sides and set a time to meet and a time for the fight to last. And good luck Uncle, but try to not fight, not worth your effort or time, for he will come back.

[Swan]

I can crouch?!? DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

karate is the way to go. HWAAAAAA!!!!!!!

[EJ]

On 2004-05-10 05:15, Even_Jin wrote:
There's always

http://imperfectly.imperfectpeople.com/images/dreams/katana.jpg

Kill (Uncle) Bill Vol. 3!

Or a stick, or some kind of light weapon that can be used to train in your defence, like a staff or a small pocket knife.

While we're at it, a gun can be useful.



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif that the same sword I got at home

[derBauer]

If you want to learn to fight, go somewhere where they train for things like Ultimate Fighting Championship. Those people really know how to fight.

My advice is to become proactive in keeping fights from happening.

[Kent]

The greatest of men are those that draw their steel the least.

...I'll leave it at that.

[Guile]

Just get in a fight with whoever your having problems with, it will solve everything.