Which is better Racast or Hucast?

[ItalianMafia]

Im not sure if i got their names right but i think you guys know what i mean.

I was thinking when i first made my Ramar i was looking foward to alot of guns then i realized all i used was c bringers spread and holy ray and some sabers. And ten i made my humar...which can use spread and holy ray and all hand to hand weapons.

Now im about to make my andriod, now honestly which is btter for me?
Thanx guys peace

[sephiroththegreat]

all right the great sephiroth has to step in HUcast shut-up RAcast is the best simply because i use my sabers and double saber all the time then when times get rough i use a high power rifle to blast away my foes RAcast is a nutrual person simply the best.

no if's,and's,or but's.
stupid HUcast

[Davion]

I like both, but if I had to choose between the two, I'd pick HUcast. One reason, power! At level 100, HUcasts are almost 50% more powerful. I have a Lv. 39 Hucast that I just started. I have no problem with the Dark gunners. I just switch a handgun and hit the Death Gunner. After their defences are down, I hit them once or twice. Then they die. If They couldn't use handguns, my attitude would be different. But they can. The highest level RAcast with the most powerful gun stands no chance of overtaking the HUcasts massive power.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Davion on 2002-06-18 12:41 ]</font>

[Defend]

I'll have a go at making it simple. [Note - I'm reffering to v2. If you're thinking v1 - pick a HUmar or HUnewearl. Same ATP as HUcast, with same magic as FO. Hehe. Unless you really like Spreads, only Spreads.]

The RAnger class does not really come into its own in PSO. I sincerely hope, and doubt, Sonic Team will address this in GC PSO.

Why you'd pick a class depends on how you'll play. Which is decided by the class stats, exclusive weapons, and looks.

"RAngers can use guns". There's their big claim to fame.
Problem is, HUnters also use guns. The only difference being that rangers have more ATA, so can use a gun (1.) earlier, and (2.) more accurately.
So how does this pan out...
1. Despite having to wait longer to be able to equip gun X, hunters will fire it stronger than a ranger will fire gun X+1.
Eg, handgun on a HUcast, vs autogun on a RAcast. Sad, but true.
2. Accuracy the rangers do have. But, similar to point 1, a HU will fire gun X's NORMAL attack, as strong as a RA will fire that gun's HEAVY attack. Just the RA takes longer to do this, and are already at the gun's limit. So when it comes to facing the enemies, the higher accuracy still isn't helping.

On the flip-side, a RAcast has less ATP and EVP than the HUcast. (They do have decent ATP yes, but if you're here for ATP make a hunter). They have 5, yes 5 more DFP, and about 200 more HP. Even this oh-so-amazing DFP and HP has a drawback. RAngers were REALLY shoddy in v1, so these nice defensive stats do not start to develop until level 100. PSO will wait until then before it starts boosting your RAcast's HP to catch up with a HUcast's. The result? A maxed RAcast can not overtake a HUcast's HP until level 162. That's right.. a good 30 million exp. At that point you have (*tries to remember*) 1722 HP. Just in time for when you most need it too. [/sarcasm] A RAcast by then would have been able to survive even a D Bringer's gunfire online, a good 20 levels earlier. A HUcast - even sooner than that. And if you think by that time your slightly better HP is going to handle a HUcast's ATP in battle.. oh boy..
Ownage.
If you want ATP, go HUcast. They are insanely powerful.

So that's the stats covered. You have ATA, nothing else, and if when it comes to powerplay, its not going to help.

Weapons..

People are saying how the classes play differently. Its not because Rangers excel with guns compared to the other classes.. its because they excel with guns compared to anything else they've got.

RA sit back and use guns because they have to. Sure they can go in there and fight like a hunter, - a nice-level RAcast who's managed to shrug off the v1 stat-drainage (say about level 125+) can take just as good a whack as well, - but they are simply weaker for that kind of play. If you enjoyed fighting like that, you'd pick a hunter.
A Ranger gets only rifles, and spreads. A rifle's range over a handgun is less than you'd think. Its just another gun. Spreads are quite enjoyable for some. Shame they fail to exist in v2. Yep, get an S rank spread, cos you won't be able to find a v2 spread weapon. Oh wait, get S rank needle instead.. same effect, but faster, stronger, and woops.. hunters can use them too.

HU take up the fight full on because they CAN, and want to. They're strong up close, BUT if they want to use a mechgun they will, and will be alot better than a ranger at using it, damage-wise. Hunters have the options of using daggers, partisans and swords, so when it comes to fighting style, they're up close 'cos they have the choice to be wherever they want. HUnters excel (compared to the classes) at using all types of weapons, not just HU weapons.

So... a ranger has spreads.
That don't exist.
NEXT.

So we're left with looks.
When it comes to style, and recognition, RAcast own. Period. =) HUcast look pretty boring.


One important thing to mention however, that could sway the argument, is version 2, and the transition to Ult weapons. In version 2, a RAnger DID have a place in the spotlight however. RAngers could take advantage of the huge range of v1 weaps that v2 was sorely lacking, and comfortably use their specials. Charge Sawcer 45%, got me 2004 damage in Ult Forest. I could do 1900+ criticals, land special attacks reliably every combo. HUcast can't play that game. VISE... I would use in Caves, with people laughing at my HP flying down all the time, simply 'cos I was able to do this.
Chain Sawd.. absolutely owned everywhere. MANY v1 weapons were far stronger than their S RANK (yes S rank) counterpart once you got one with some % on it. HUcast would have to find one with hit% as well. That was one thing a really enjoyed.. taking a v1 weap off someone and acting all like "What? I can't see anything wrong with it." *fires off a combo with freeze special*

For THAT little niche, RAcast were the best (well RAcaseal with 8 more ATA). Not only did they get a bundle of special attributes that v2 weapons were missing, but good % were never hard to find.. usually right in the shop. I have a Chain Sawd and Riot Sawcer, for Ult Ruins.
OH and my Angry Fist lol... 30% A.Beast, 0% hit. Hahaha.. I stomp around Caves with bare hands, and everyone is just going WHAT THE?!!11?

SO:
Stats. Don't compete with HUcast, AT ALL, but if you want the ATA game, with v1 weaps, you might be interested.

Weapon choice. Complete and utter toss. 1 different gun that other classes didn't get... a gun that failed to show up inv2, yet had a convenient, more powerful substitute that hunters could use.

Looks. Shag me baby!



My main character is a RAcast. Kaloo, he's level 167. He's cool, he's strong compared to HUnnies (I only play online), and doesn't have a chance in reset-level melee battles (remember - the v1 RAcast stats are gobsmackingly bad). I spend most of my time in rule 4, where I play carefully, or rules 1 and 5, where my team mate's support and my brute defence makes for some great battles.

RAcast, once levelled high, are quite good. For fighting, HUcast are better. Much better.
For style, and the ability to turn any v1 weapon into a thing of beauty, RAcast are da bom.

Do HUcast even have style at all?







<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Defend on 2002-06-18 16:52 ]</font>

[Defend]

Oh, and this will all probably change in v2 hehe.

The distinction was already low.. now without the v1-weaps-in-Ult thing being so noticable.. what will Rangers have to set them apart??

The RA class should have features like fast recovery with guns.. or all guns fire with God Battle speed.
All guns have rifle range, mechs have handgun range.
Weapon special's are much more accurate than for hunters.

Things like that, that say "qualified gun user here", is what PSO should have.

[Wewt]

Droids in general should have more special abilities to make up for having no techs....

[Cloak]

Whoever said HUnewearls have more DFP and EVP, you're WRONG! Matter of fact, HUnewearls get DFP which is LOWER than a FOnewms. How this happened, I dunno..

And screw RAcasts/HUcasts. RAcaseal, ohyesgood. n_n

[segadrm]

i think HUcast i have one so i think u should get a hucast.

[Defend]

The only tech droids couldn't already make up for was jellen and zalure.

They were fine imo.

LoL maybe they were thinking of V1 Hunnies. They were good in v1.. now they're utterly owned.. even RAcaseal has all higher stats than a HUnny.

[Kent]

I neer did like any rangers or androids. But I haven't been able to ever play version 2 online, so I never got to see how they performed online.

I still prefer a HUmar over any other class.

[dekar]

heh, this is a very interesing predicament for me, cause i have both a HU and RA chars. o.O well, my HUcast is pretty coo (1025 str at lvl 76) and he finds stuff all over somehow, and my RAcaseal isn't very strong, but she finds good guns somehow, and so far, in the caves, she can beat nano dragons in 3 hits (autogun+5, 15% to a.beast and 10% to native) so, i dunno, so far i have had some fun playing with my HUcast, cause, damn, he's soooo powerful, but i like my RAcaseal cause she hardly ever gets hit cause of her powerful guns.
but, until i raise her and see how it goes, i'm gonna say, HUcast all the way!

[SS_Death]

I have a HUcast and a RAcast. HUcast lvl119 (Currently playing) and RAcast lvl101 (waiting for HUcast to find him some good guns...)

Overall between the 2 the HUcast was easiest to play offline, why? Because good Hunter weapons are easier to find. Spread Needles are VERY rare so you are unlikely to find one. However a Flowen's Sword is 2 a penny so you can get a good one easily. 45% Dark and max ATP on a HUcast was about 32 ATP of 999 in v1. So much for shifta...

In v2 Shifta 15 gives about 400 ATP, a HUcast has 200 more ATP max than a HUmar...200ATP so what?! When online you are going to get Shifta too so you are 200 above your team-mate. I like androids my friends like HUmar/FOnewm. (Oh and btw have same dfp as deband HUmar of friend. So much for that tech then...)

Rangers are good if you like to stand off and clear rooms at a distance. Hunters are good if you like to get up close and personal. Humans/Newmans for all rounders, Androids for more focused (But Moon Atomisers do the job. Never really needed Star Atomisers...)

[blitzer03]

Ok I can see all of your points.
Here's mine.

In ONLINE mode, the HUcast is way more valueble because of his ability to be a frontline fighter.

In OFFLINE mode the RAcast is way easier to play because of that cheap ranger trick.

Thats just my 2 cents.

[HC82]

Lol, this topic was made back in the days of ver 1. Back then the game was all wacked out and HUmars were a dime a dozen(still are). Ver2 made forces and Bots alot better, but things were still wacked out amoung the different races, as apposed to ver1 were each class had a dominant advantage over another. In ver2 each class has it's purposes, but the races in these classes are unbalanced.

Since I missed this topic back in the ver1 days i'll say HUcast because with a spread needle he was a monster back then.

Also play as a HUcast offline and you will learn how to melee better. As a HUmar you simply can't pick up the same tactics a HUcast needs to use to survive in offline. Especially if your going through ulti at a really low level.

Alot of these basic skills make or break your performance in challenge mode. While one C mode team might dread having to face two hilde bears at a risk of losing mates....the other sighs due to them being time wasters but say "no sweat", and begins to run around the hilde striking it twice from the side, properly utlizing the "stun effect" that occurs after the saber hits the hilde while the hilde is turning(rinse repeat). A hilde bear won't going into a stun animation if you attack it from the front while it's swinging at you. Like C bringer only if you attack them from afar or from the side will it cause them to reel from a hit.

If you've got tons of resta to back you up you probably wouldn't care to try to take out enemies without getting hit...but as a HUcast it matters. I know when I play as my HUmar I play a bit more sloppy compared to how I handle my HUcast, offline not online.

So personally if your into melee you should consider playing a HUcast just for melee experience, or if you've got a HUmar try NOT to use your resta and try not to go to town to restock on mates for an entire stage. Your fighting strategies and understanding on how to abuse the enemies will increase(not that the game it's self is that deep though).



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: HC82 on 2002-06-19 05:22 ]</font>

[Megaboy]

to put it plain and simple I would rather use a hucast

[Malkavian]

My opinion
In v1 RAcast was better, 50-60% powerful shot type weapons were the best

In v2 Hucast is better, awesome stats and srank needle imperial pick as main weaponry. RAcast in v2 has a limited range of weps, only shot is srank one and with the speed of ult enemies isn't so good. Guns, rifles, mechs can't be compared to swords, partisans types

[sephiroththegreat]

aaaawwwwwww bullshi#t defend. i bet if it comes down to tactics a RA will win in any battle and yes a RA can use just about all the swords a HU can use. but any how they are bot good in there own good cant we all just get along, were here to destory dark falz well we cant do it if we turn our backs.

[chaodragonb]

HUNEWEARLS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!