How Strong is a Level 200 FOmar Anyway?

[KIRBYSIM]

Recently, I've been going to a friend's house to play PSO GC.

One such day, he was showing off his new Level 200 FOmar, thanks to an AR. He told me that by using some kind of dupe trick, he made all its stats maxed out and all.

And yet there I was, laughing my ass off when he went into Ultimate difficulty level and started shooting off RaZondes at enemies, causing only 200 damage per hit on average. And his meleeing was about 100 something to 200. This was in stark contrast to the few hunreds, and even 1000 damage points his allies was swiftly dishing out.

And so we sat down and thought about the reason for his FOmar being so weak. Could it be the equipment? The FOmar was wielding a Branch of Paku Paku, I believe. Could it be the low level of the techs? No, it couldn't - the techs were at around level 10 each. Or maybe it was the AR code - somehow it did not work as expected? Or maybe it was just that FOmars are supposed to be extremely weak, even though another friend of mine claimed that level 200 FOmars should be godly?

I read from one of the guides here that the suggested level for a force to enter Ultimate Forest was level 55. And I've also seen many level 100 something warriors dishing out much, much more pain than my friend's level 200 FOmar. Is Ultimate difficulty level really not meant for level 200s?

Can anyone please give us some insight?



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[Zinger314]

On 2004-05-28 10:23, KIRBYSIM wrote:

And yet there I was, laughing my ass off when he went
And so we sat down and thought about the reason for his FOmar being so weak. Could it be the equipment? The FOmar was wielding a Branch of Paku Paku, I believe. Could it be the low level of the techs? No, it couldn't - the techs were at around level 10 each
Yep. That's it. If he had lv. 30 techs, a Magical Piece, and if he used the techs properly, you might see about 600-700 damage.

[Ketchup345]

Problems:
1) Technique weaknesses- learn each enemy's weakness
2) Low level techs- you should have at least about 15-20 before Ultimate
3) Level 200/Max stat- Player actually didn't gain experiance and learn stuff out for themselves
4) Equipment
5) Shifta/Deband- Insanely useful in Ultimate


Edit: Also, that suggested level guide for the area isn't that useful, it is wrong in many areas.


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[KIRBYSIM]

On 2004-05-28 10:46, Zinger314 wrote:


On 2004-05-28 10:23, KIRBYSIM wrote:

And yet there I was, laughing my ass off when he went
And so we sat down and thought about the reason for his FOmar being so weak. Could it be the equipment? The FOmar was wielding a Branch of Paku Paku, I believe. Could it be the low level of the techs? No, it couldn't - the techs were at around level 10 each
Yep. That's it. If he had lv. 30 techs, a Magical Piece, and if he used the techs properly, you might see about 600-700 damage.



Hmm.. I understand about the lv.30 techs. But Magical Piece? It adds 30 MST... that doesn't sound like too big a factor, does it?

[Zinger314]

On 2004-05-28 11:52, KIRBYSIM wrote:


On 2004-05-28 10:46, Zinger314 wrote:


On 2004-05-28 10:23, KIRBYSIM wrote:

And yet there I was, laughing my ass off when he went
And so we sat down and thought about the reason for his FOmar being so weak. Could it be the equipment? The FOmar was wielding a Branch of Paku Paku, I believe. Could it be the low level of the techs? No, it couldn't - the techs were at around level 10 each
Yep. That's it. If he had lv. 30 techs, a Magical Piece, and if he used the techs properly, you might see about 600-700 damage.



Hmm.. I understand about the lv.30 techs. But Magical Piece? It adds 30 MST... that doesn't sound like too big a factor, does it?

It adds +30% to the FOmar's 30% Gi Boost. Or, if you don't want to be attacking with hearts, you can use a Sorceror's cane with a +20% Gi boost.

[Asia_Skyly]

I would say your friend does not know what he was doing. A level 200 Fomar should have around 1002 ATP, 1340 MST and over 1400 hps. What that means is that short of a Baranz all out launch nothing can kill him in one hit. With level 29-30 techs, he is a walking killing machine. I have a level 200 Fomar, unlike your friend, I worked for mine and learned the ropes. The Fomar is average on everything and that might sound like a bad thing, in the end, it is a very good thing. I have been soloing Falz online since the 180s (a feat I cannot accomplish with my level 195 Hucaseal). Fomars are just hard to kill and they will outlast each and every opponent they face. With a good pair of mechguns (mine had only 35% hit) and an S rank Twin you can take down anything in the game. I am not arguing that they are the best character in the game, I give that title to a level 200 Racast, but the Fomar can hold their own exceptionally well against any character and any foe.

This was simply an example of someone cheating and never learning how to play a character to their strengths.

[Sitka]

Nice post Asia. My fomar (Yellowboze) is at lvl 94 and I've been neglecting him in order to give my Racast a run at making lvl 200. When I last played the Fomar, he was pretty weak in ultimate and I was beginning to wonder if he was going to be okay in the end. Your post gives me some hope, and motivation, to give my Fomar a little more time and get his levels up to a more respectable level. Why do these folks have to create lvl 200 chars? They hurt the game and themselves. Don't they realize that its the journey, and the friends you meet along the way, that make the experience worthwhile?

[Vielka]

Ummm i have a level 119 purplenum Fonewearl.. My simple techs "foie, zonde,barta" all do a minimum of 600 each in ultimate..I use a club of laconium or mace of adaman.. Maybe he just doesnt have his stuff setup properly.

[lain2k3]

notice he said he was using level 10 techniques. that was his entire problem. level 10 techs suck.

[Dana]

my FOnewearl takes off 1000 in ult forest and 900 in caves, a two hit kill up to mines who needs a FOmar, they have the lowest ATA anyway, atp is good....

[lain2k3]

On 2004-05-28 15:45, Dana_ranger wrote:
my FOnewearl takes off 1000 in ult forest and 900 in caves, a two hit kill up to mines who needs a FOmar, they have the lowest ATA anyway, atp is good....



Although I agree with you, Try not to turn this into a 'fomars suck' debate. we have plenty of other topic like that.

[Nai_Calus]

Lets see, max your techs, or as near to it as possible.

Max your SUPPORT techs, or as near to it as possible. Then USE THEM. All of them. Shifta, Deband, Jellen, and Zalure.

I don't recommend Magical Piece for FOmar. I have no issues with hearts or pink, it's simply that the male Wand/Double Saber tech animation sucks ass. FOmar's melee combo with a Wand is OK, but if you're going to melee with a FO weapon, use a Rod of some sort, the FOmar's Rod animation is VERY effective. Use a C-Sorc's Cane for tech casting if you must use a weapon as a pure teching FOmar - 20% Gi-tech boost and 10% TP cost reduction, which adds up.

Melee... Get decent weapons. At the very least Soul Eater, Double Saber and Red Handgun, ideally Soul Banish, S-Rank Twin and Holy Ray.

And of course, don't fucking AR 200 and max stats, or do it on a secondary character you never use. Learn how to play correctly. I have a L142 FOmar that kicks more ass than your friend's ever will. XD

[lain2k3]

On 2004-05-28 15:51, Ian-KunX wrote:

And of course, don't fucking AR 200 and max stats, or do it on a secondary character you never use. Learn how to play correctly. I have a L142 FOmar that kicks more ass than your friend's ever will. XD



Thats about what it comes down to. yay ian. woo.

[SLON]

I suggest learning how to play the game from Level 1 onwards rather than going straight to lv 200, then he/you would realise why he sucked. My Fomar is Lv178, and boy watch me kick butt! Offline my techs kill most things in a very short time; online I dont do as much damage, but I can stand in a melee of Sinows and laugh at their feeble attempts to knock me down - if I tried that with my Humar I would be dead in no time!

[KIRBYSIM]

On 2004-05-28 15:09, Vielka wrote:
Ummm i have a level 119 purplenum Fonewearl.. My simple techs "foie, zonde,barta" all do a minimum of 600 each in ultimate..I use a club of laconium or mace of adaman.. Maybe he just doesnt have his stuff setup properly.



I'm really amazed at all so much damage with techs is possible. Recently I tried entering my friend's character data into the tech damage calculator in order to learn more about the game.

Turns out that he was using a level 26 Gizonde. And according to the calculator, it does only 176 damage on Ultimate Bartles. We tested it out, and indeed the damage was 176.

So I'm quite shocked to be hearing people dealing so much damage with a basic tech. How can this be possible?

[KIRBYSIM]

On 2004-05-28 15:45, Dana_ranger wrote:
my FOnewearl takes off 1000 in ult forest and 900 in caves, a two hit kill up to mines who needs a FOmar, they have the lowest ATA anyway, atp is good....



Again, how can this be possible? What kind of equipment were are using, and what level were your techniques?

I'm quite a newbie when it comes to PSO Ep1&2, and would like to avoid future leveling mistakes by learning more.

[Ketchup345]

On 2004-05-29 09:30, KIRBYSIM wrote:
Turns out that he was using a level 26 Gizonde. And according to the calculator, it does only 176 damage on Ultimate Bartles. We tested it out, and indeed the damage was 176.

So I'm quite shocked to be hearing people dealing so much damage with a basic tech. How can this be possible?


1) Try finding out the enemiies resistances in Ultimate, many have changed since previous difficulties.
2) FOnewearls get a 30% boost to basic techs.
3) The 9* Canes all have a 40% boost to that Basic tech.
4) The 9* Wands all have a 20% boost to that tech element.

[Vielka]

ok ill give u my stats and u look it up in the calculator...

Lv 119
With my Club of Laconium equipped
ATP: 609
DFP: 479
MST: 1076
ATA: 164
EVP: 802
LCK: 29

Foie lv24, Zonde lv27, Barta lv28

Mind you that the club of laconium has a boost for using foie, but i dont know how much the % is

[Ketchup345]

On 2004-05-29 09:44, Vielka wrote:
Mind you that the club of laconium has a boost for using foie, but i dont know how much the % is


http://www.pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=472

And I just posted the weapon boosts in my post above.

[KIRBYSIM]

On 2004-05-29 09:44, Vielka wrote:
ok ill give u my stats and u look it up in the calculator...

Lv 119
With my Club of Laconium equipped
ATP: 609
DFP: 479
MST: 1076
ATA: 164
EVP: 802
LCK: 29

Foie lv24, Zonde lv27, Barta lv28

Mind you that the club of laconium has a boost for using foie, but i dont know how much the % is



I played around with the settings, and tested each of the techs with Ultimate forest Rappy, Booma, and Wolf respectively.

Most of the time it was 100 something.

However, when it came to Foie, I noticed that the net damage for Booma, Rappy, and Wolf were 500+, 400+, and 200+ respectively. Althought they weren't 600 and up, I think I've just learnt something important. Thanks guys.

[Vielka]

On 2004-05-29 10:04, KIRBYSIM wrote:


On 2004-05-29 09:44, Vielka wrote:
ok ill give u my stats and u look it up in the calculator...

Lv 119
With my Club of Laconium equipped
ATP: 609
DFP: 479
MST: 1076
ATA: 164
EVP: 802
LCK: 29

Foie lv24, Zonde lv27, Barta lv28

Mind you that the club of laconium has a boost for using foie, but i dont know how much the % is



I played around with the settings, and tested each of the techs with Ultimate forest Rappy, Booma, and Wolf respectively.

Most of the time it was 100 something.

However, when it came to Foie, I noticed that the net damage for Booma, Rappy, and Wolf were 500+, 400+, and 200+ respectively. Althought they weren't 600 and up, I think I've just learnt something important. Thanks guys.



yea for rappies, i get 543 or so... check out the damage on a bartle or something in ultimate.. ill take a screenshot if u still cant get those figures to prove that it is over 600.

[Nai_Calus]

Somewhere I have a screencap of a max-statted FOnewearl with L30 Foie and I believe a Laconium doing something like 1204 damage to a Normal Booma.

...Makes you want to use a HUmar/HUcast.

[Alighieri]

Hmm.. .200 lvl...a long way to go, but anyway - could anyone tell me what stats you would like to see on your lvl 200 HUcaseal?

PS. Forgive me for this little off-topic.



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[Ketchup345]

On 2004-05-29 11:44, Alighieri wrote:
Hmm.. .200 lvl...a long way to go, but anyway - could anyone tell me what stats you would like to see on your lvl 200 HUcaseal?


HUcaseal stats (http://www.pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=1183)
Includes both Base and Max level 200 Stats.

[Alighieri]

On 2004-05-29 11:51, Ketchup345 wrote:
[quote]

HUcaseal stats (http://www.pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=1183)
Includes both Base and Max level 200 Stats.



Why yes, I forgot about those pages, thank you^^

[Vielka]

wow, after looking at those stats i noticed i have a long way to go.. Im already maxed out on mats http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif, but i need to make a new mag for me.. my current bhima with 7pow,45def,43,dex,105mind isnt going to cut it much longer.. time to get a new mind mag....sigh

[Zebulahn]

On 2004-05-28 10:23, KIRBYSIM wrote:
Recently, I've been going to a friend's house to play PSO GC.

One such day, he was showing off his new Level 200 FOmar, thanks to an AR. He told me that by using some kind of dupe trick, he made all its stats maxed out and all.

And yet there I was, laughing my ass off when he went into Ultimate difficulty level and started shooting off RaZondes at enemies, causing only 200 damage per hit on average. And his meleeing was about 100 something to 200. This was in stark contrast to the few hunreds, and even 1000 damage points his allies was swiftly dishing out.

And so we sat down and thought about the reason for his FOmar being so weak. Could it be the equipment? The FOmar was wielding a Branch of Paku Paku, I believe. Could it be the low level of the techs? No, it couldn't - the techs were at around level 10 each. Or maybe it was the AR code - somehow it did not work as expected? Or maybe it was just that FOmars are supposed to be extremely weak, even though another friend of mine claimed that level 200 FOmars should be godly?

I read from one of the guides here that the suggested level for a force to enter Ultimate Forest was level 55. And I've also seen many level 100 something warriors dishing out much, much more pain than my friend's level 200 FOmar. Is Ultimate difficulty level really not meant for level 200s?

Can anyone please give us some insight?



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My FOmar is level 82 and does more damage than your friend's FOmar. Your friend obviously does not know how to play the game properly.

[Liquid_Bacon]

Asia_Skyly is 100% correct. Unfortunately, all this story really amounts to is yet another account of an unfortunate person who cheated and thus never learned how to play the game.