Giving up on the cup. And my reasons for this.

[Shimarisu]

First off I made it to top 50 which means I gained many places yesterday after being knocked down to 90 odd on the first day due to several errors and time wasters. There is a strong chance I could have got into the top 32. However I don't want to, and here is why.

This whole tournament is bullshit. Only people lucky enough to score a ship without people in it have managed to climb high, and yes Malk, I know you have not done this but you have also been EXTREMELY lucky with not facing many time wasters. It is all literally COM bashers and very lucky people in the final. Not to insult you but it is not so much based on skill, while you have needed skill to beat your games, MANY people of your skill level have been delayed by retards who can't bash a COM in under 10 minutes. While the rest of the people in the final are made up of COM bashers.

It has been hell for me trying to catch up. I know you disliked me for looking for COM tournies, but this was AFTER I slipped so bad to time wasting FOOLS I had to climb back up by finding the guaranteed fastest battles. Ironically it's usually Japanese people who delay you. It's the ones who refuse to use machine deck on principle, now I have asked these people why no machine deck on the bloody COM thus causing people to get delayed by half an hour, and they have answered that they don't want people on view battle seeing that they even own machine deck. I am sorry, but I think you OWE it to the other people in the tourney to use an efficient deck when facing the COM!

And yet, I have not had much luck finding COM games. I know who HAS though. There was a certain duo reserving every ship who then stood in the only one they could find with no other humans (and there was usually only one, thanks to their tactics leaving this ship empty) telling everybody to piss off. Sadly the Japanese players obliged them, they are now in the top ten. I was so tempted to machine deck them to teach them a lesson, but that would have jeopordised my position had they taken too long.

I mean it was literally like this.

"Arion go away."
"Arion your partner Servelan was here, he said to go to ship 03 (or whatever." That's funny because last I checked I was not suffering from multiple personality disorder - Servelan is me!"
"Servelan, please tell Arion to go away."

And so on and so forth.

I did manage to find a ship with two other COM bashers who lacked any talent whatsover, they were placed in the top 20. Japanese team. Malk, you will be pleased to know I robbed them of a total of 2500 points - faced them twice yesterday so that must have clear knocked them out of the finals. Which they deserved, because they sucked. I know I was COM bashing too but I am of the opinion that I deserved a place in the finals because I do not suck. Yet I am also of the opinion that this tourny is bullshit.
The very fact I faced them robbed me of a 1000 points, they took forever and I had to cancel that tourney before the end so I could get in the last one of the day. Whereby I faced them again, and whereby they sucked and I beat them again. IMO I deserved those entire 2 games to be COM. Because had there had been humans in it besides them, I'm of little doubt I'd have beat them all anyway. I also NEEDED that 1000 points to clear me over the 32 threshold. Lost, thanks to 2 time wasting idiots.

1. Everybody is COM bashing and you cannot blame them because humans take forever in their battles.

2. The time limit is bullshit. Why only 3 hours for 3 days? This is farcical, it means that even the talented players who get knocked back by machine deck or time wasters CANNOT gain ground. I knew I was doomed when I had 2 games screwed up on the first day. I had figured in my head the sort of practices needed to win this, and I knew full well losing 1 1/2 hours off the total time of only 9 hours would doom me.

3. There are only going to be Arkz in the final. Jesus did nobody look at this grid and figure this? Small grid, so while not on the surface good for Arkz, you can place your 1 pointers anywhere and therefore totally block the other team. There are stupid blocks in the way which a la Unguis Lapis will be used to Arkz advantage. Yet again a MASSIVE advantage for Arkz in a serious tourney! Sega you are surely bullshitting me with this!

4. I don't think games of 4 Arkz require any particular skill, moreso luck and who gets the first turn on the dice roll. Yep, you go first you can place monsters all round you, all round them, and lo, they can not place stuff anywhere viable.

5. I don't want to fight Billie Joe in the final. I'd rather quit than win or lose to him and put up with his jeering which genuinely makes me want to go swallow a packet of aspirin. If I lost he would make it hell for me, the game would be unplayable for the whole of the foreseeable future.

6. Malk, I don't want to fight you either. I know you use dual Arkz and I hate dual Arkz, but I also know on this grid I don't stand a chance without responding in kind. This is a bullshit sort of baqttle and with our equal skill levels, based purely on luck. I know for a fact I'm not mature enough to take it well if I lose to bad luck, and well, I don't want to kick off on you. Again.

7. I don't want to be accused of cheating for being my partner and playing on a team comprised of me, 2 cubes and 2 monitors. I was only going to do that in the prelimaries because Zane failed to show the first day. However people know I did this and I also know I am talked about behind my back. Malk I know you and Yuji talked about me behind my back. Yuji, let it be known now that while I get on with Malk I dislike you. Caught you yesterday saying I was cheating for trying to gain ground on COM bashing. Well I don't care, I DESERVED this cup as much as you, it was not my fault I lost SERIOUS time on the first day and finding fast partners was the only way I would get anywhere. May I also say that every human I faced I BEAT, so I KNOW I deserved the cup! I know you got beat at least once, so don't call me out on COM bashing. I DESERVED A PLACE IN THE CUP! I will wish luck to Malk even if it means you getting your win. But that pains me greatly. And nope this ain't flame baiting. I dislike the guy. No name calling. I just dislike him.

8. I feel that the US players have had it WAY easier than us, with their ladder of much less players and a lot less used to the COM bashing tricks used by the Japanese. I think it's very unfair, we should have been on the same ladder.

9. This tourney is total, utter bullshit. Sega, here is your very simple solution to this kind of crap.

a. Stop making tournies time limited like this. People lose their chance to idiot time wasters.

b. STOP FUCKING MAKING GRIDS THAT FAVOUR ARKZ IN MAJOR TOURNIES!

c. Make it so everybody gets a chance. Have a system whereby you have tickets for tournies so you can only have a certain number of battles. That way, no bullshit COM bashing for less time taken, and then everybody can climb the ladder fairly.

d. Reduce the number of tournament ships DRASTICALLY so everybody has to play on one or 2 ships.

e. Now, make the cup time run to a week so everybody get a chance to use all their battle tickets. Now the people left with the most meseta are the ones with skill. Or with machine deck - still a problem there. Bout time the sinow beat card was patched? I think so, Sega, you fucking idiots.

I'm quitting now because of the animosity that has already arisen between people on the group and in the game because of Sega's UTTER failure to police a game properly. Hell yesterday I saw Tails on the same ship as Sadako (just remembered her name) who was the person telling people to go away and leave her ship. Did Tails tell her off? Did he fuck, and we all know he speaks some English. No, all he did was go around saying "Good Luck! Have fun! Thanks for playing" in Japanese and English. Let it be said, Tails is not much use.

Once more another case of when you die you see the Ring. (Sadako was the monster child in the JP version).

- Shimarisu

[Shimarisu]

[quote]
On 2004-06-04 04:55, Shimarisu wrote:
7. I don't want to be accused of cheating for being my partner and playing on a team comprised of me, 2 cubes and 2 monitors.

Ack, just realised what that looks like, that I have 2 people monitoring my battles and telling me what cards the other team have. What it means is I have 2 RGB monitors rather than TVs...argh.

[Mixfortune]

Yes, ST did really mess up this time, as always, by not even bothering to look at the basic problems in the game (obvious Arkz favored maps) before making such a tournament.

I must say, about the US players though, that it may seem that even though their ladders are displayed differently, they are actually still in the same final list. I know some of the US players (like myself) got really screwed over when we thought that the US wasn't even included, so didn't bother, only to find out that it was counted anyways. ST didn't even patch that up until after the first day had already passed.

For an international tournament, it wasn't planned very well. Hopefully (yeah, right), they will learn from this and better prepare themselves next time.

[Malkavian]

I feel the same in many things. First day I said 3 times to SONICTEAM representative that 4 ships was too much because tournies were full of COMs. And that if they could remove some ships for tuesday and friday.

He answered, Enjoy! have a good time! or things like that.
I dont blame him tho... is just a poor worker, I guess.

Arion, err Shim, I haven't talk bad of you. I mailed you saying what I thought but I didn't comment with anyone else. More than a "exploit this registration bug is cheap". But it wasn't referred to anyone specifically.

Even considering all that I still wanted to do my best and try to reach finals. And that 5th place 1st day gave me forces for try it, since I was tempted to quit the tourney with all this com bashing. We prepared for play against humans. Me and Yuji aren't much experienced in COM bashing. We do between 5-7 minutes normally. Not 3-4 like other players.

And I dunno if we'll be in final. Today has been our worse day. Well we are out. Only a miracle can make us enter in the final.

Ah and.. we don't use Dual Arkz. We use 2 Hunter team. Yuji hates Arkz. I like both sides equally but watching all the MC decks. Mixed MC and Dark for undefendable attacks, Red slimes, etc. I feel more comfortable trying to win win Hunters.

[Shimarisu]

Arion, err Shim, I haven't talk bad of you. I mailed you saying what I thought but I didn't comment with anyone else. More than a "exploit this registration bug is cheap". But it wasn't referred to anyone specifically.


I had to do it though. HAD to. I was ranked 90 on the first day because of being utterly screwed over by slow people. I can't even imagine HOW you got the score you have. I think you have been very lucky with this, not being in tournys where you had to wait half an hour, etc etc. I am actually starting to think I was sabotaged on purpose. It happened twice to me, after all, and both times the person took half an hour to lose to the COM. I suspect people seriously of cheating in sabotaging like this. What kind of idiots lose to the COM? What kind of IMBECILES take half an hour to do so? Then when I fought humans, they took fricking forever, so how on earth have you got the score you have? It is beyond crazy to me - it does not seem possible without (again, no offence) the best luck in the world. You've even lost at least one game and I have not lost a single one, so I can't imagine how you've worked so fast. That was why I got angry with you yesterday. I admit I was jealous as hell. You were 5th, and Billie who had not lost a single match was 15th or something - how is it possible? How? That is why I answered your mail about me reserving games with "I DON'T CARE." I was seriously disappointed by how I had slipped so far through no fault of my own. I never lost a single game and yet the whole thing was ruined. COM bashing on the second day got me under rank 50. But I had had enough. The few times I fought humans that day wrecked my chances, because they were so slow. I was especially angry at one guy. His partner did not show, so he said "Kill me quickly so I can make the next tourny." I was delighted, a chance to gain ground FINALLY! It was the last match too and the next tourny was up in 15 minutes. Well after saying "Kill me" he then proceeded to EQUIP ACTION DISRUPTERS. Because he had said "KILL ME" I had targetted him, not the COM player. It took me ages to kill him and I missed the next tourney. Sabotage? I think fucking so! He was Japanese, too. I came out of the game to see that he was only rank 200 or something, IT MAKES ME FURIOUS THAT LOW RANKS DELAYED ME LIKE THIS WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST GIVEN UP! Why were there low ranks in all the tournys still playing? Mostly they were utter newbies who take a millenium to fight the COM. They were ruining things for me and other high rankers. I decided that it was too stressful to play today, because newbies with rank 200+ hijacking games on the SECOND DAY, and taking half an hour to play when they had no hope of getting into the final was INFURIATING ME. It makes me even MORE suspicious of sabotage.



Even considering all that I still wanted to do my best and try to reach finals. And that 5th place 1st day gave me forces for try it, since I was tempted to quit the tourney with all this com bashing. We prepared for play against humans. Me and Yuji aren't much experienced in COM bashing. We do between 5-7 minutes normally. Not 3-4 like other players.


So do I. And this further confirms my thought that you have been extremely lucky.



And I dunno if we'll be in final. Today has been our worse day. Well we are out. Only a miracle can make us enter in the final.


You are out? If so you are out because of people being slow and Sega not realising this was a MORONIC system. Well, I'm sorry about that. I really am. It means only pure COM bashers are in the final.

And I was not a pure COM basher by any means, I was only doing COM to gain ground after I was very unfairly sabotaged (I believe this to be the case. The more I think about it the guy equipping action disrupters after telling me he was suiciding seems fishy as hell).



Ah and.. we don't use Dual Arkz. We use 2 Hunter team. Yuji hates Arkz. I like both sides equally but watching all the MC decks. Mixed MC and Dark for undefendable attacks, Red slimes, etc. I feel more comfortable trying to win win Hunters.


So do I. And I hate Arkz too. And I'm sorry for accusing you of doing dual Arkz (I still believe them to have the vast advantage with many decks) but when I played you in the early days you always did use dual Arkz.

- Shimarisu

[psojohndoe2]

I think Malk just got really lucky. On day 2, I got stuck partnered to a COM the whole day, and once had to wait 20min for my tourney to start, and I made, at the very least, 4200, if not 4600 points. However today was just... I couldn't move forward at all http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif No partner, got beat by humans twice, and I was out... Pretty much out once I lost once today.

[decswxaqz]

So...
You are against anyone who loses against the COM. You've never lost against the COM? I think everyone has lost one match, at some point, against the COM. And it might have taken a while to do it.
What about the people who are actually playing properly and playing against human players? You are going to criticise them for taking so long? For playing it properly? Or the real teams (Malk & Yuji?) who happen to play COMs for some reason (not saying you COM bash). Teams that are just against a COM because there were no humans are bad too?

What's the problem with taking your time in the tournys? It's a game, it's meant to be enjoyed. Do you enjoy playing at a mile a minute? Because it seems your just getting angry playing it this way. You really want to win.

You deserve to win???! I don't think anyone deserves to win. It's a game. It's got an element of luck and skill. Those with all luck will only get so far. But if you have skill, you will probably come out (near) top in the end. Because luck runs out (if you believe in it in the first place).

Map for Arkz? Then use Fly or Rati or whatever. They place all their monsters at one end, you fly over, they have to move their monsters.

As to Sega stop making "this sort of crap", we could not have any games, then you wouldn't have anything to be angry about.... apart from not getting games. Then when you do, you will complain about them?

A week long tournament. So the ones who spend all their time at home will win. What's so different compared to it now? It just means that the point difference will be bigger. They stay and play all day, whilst the ones who go on for a few hours, can only get a small amount....

Who says Tails was the same person? If he was saying the same thing (or slight variation) it could be a JP who has a list of English to say =/ or shortcuts.


To be honest, if this game is stressing you out so much, then don't play. No game is worth this sort of agrivation.

[psojohndoe2]

I don't think i'll quiet cover all the topics you raised decs, but...

-
So... You are against anyone who loses against the COM. You've never lost against the COM? I think everyone has lost one match, at some point, against the COM. And it might have taken a while to do it.
-

I think most people have lost against the COM a few times... HOWEVER, in a tournament, you should be playing your best decks to win. And quiet frankly, even poor players with only half a weeks time should be able to beat those COM decks in the tourney very easily.

-
What about the people who are actually playing properly and playing against human players? You are going to criticise them for taking so long? For playing it properly? Or the real teams (Malk & Yuji?) who happen to play COMs for some reason (not saying you COM bash). Teams that are just against a COM because there were no humans are bad too?
-

Not many people are playing versus human players, usually until later in the tournaments as well ^_^ They should be fully allowed to take the full 30 minutes, that's where the big, long battles should take place. She wasn't at all saying that teams who end up facing COMS not of their own volition are bad, I myself ended up with a complete day fighting only COMs due to tourneys with up to 5 human teams in them quitting, or not even starting.

-
What's the problem with taking your time in the tournys? It's a game, it's meant to be enjoyed. Do you enjoy playing at a mile a minute? Because it seems your just getting angry playing it this way. You really want to win.
-
In this tourney, where TIME MEANS EVERYTHING, yes, it's a matter of who can finish faster. If you can't finish a good percentage of your matches in under 13-14 minutes, you have 0 chance of even coming CLOSE to being in the finals. In other circumstances, taking your time would be great, but when you have to RUSH because other people are registering tourneys in EVERY SHIP and EVERY BLOCK to beat time, rushing is a must, if you hope to win.

-
You deserve to win???! I don't think anyone deserves to win. It's a game. It's got an element of luck and skill. Those with all luck will only get so far. But if you have skill, you will probably come out (near) top in the end. Because luck runs out (if you believe in it in the first place).
-
You're on some kind of VERY powerful drug if you think that those with skill will come out (near) the top in the end. This tournament has done nothing but prove that he who cheats/plays the cheapest deck wins. I consider myself to be a higher level player, i've come up with some neat combos, and great decks that never relied on cheap tricks, yet I couldn't crack top 50 in this tournament due to the fact of people like NOBUchan, and others registering every tournament. Skill != Win. Period, in this case.

-
Map for Arkz? Then use Fly or Rati or whatever. They place all their monsters at one end, you fly over, they have to move their monsters.
-

Old battle. They place monsters everywhere, you have to take the time to DRAW Fly or Rati, equip/play it, *AND* have the dice to take advantage of them, in the meanwhile your Arkz opponenet is pounding you. This has always been a VERY chancy strategy.

-
As to Sega stop making "this sort of crap", we could not have any games, then you wouldn't have anything to be angry about.... apart from not getting games. Then when you do, you will complain about them?
-
Personal opinion here, but i'd much prefer them to take another 6 months, or year, to put out a GOOD game, than one that has a ton of loopholes, and is VASTLY unbalanced. I expect PSU to be DAMN near perfect after all these debacles, and hope that ST learns something.

-
A week long tournament. So the ones who spend all their time at home will win. What's so different compared to it now? It just means that the point difference will be bigger. They stay and play all day, whilst the ones who go on for a few hours, can only get a small amount....
-
That's the same thing as this Gather tournament... Sit home and register every tournament, it shows no skill, and a total lack of regard for those who play the game for fun.
-


That's my take on things. I think you often look at things from the opposite view of whatever any given person is saying, like playing the devil's advocate. But i'm pretty sure what I said is right http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

<- arrogant SOB

[Arislan]

A week long tournament. So the ones who spend all their time at home will win. What's so different compared to it now? It just means that the point difference will be bigger. They stay and play all day, whilst the ones who go on for a few hours, can only get a small amount....


I think you missed what Shim put up as an idea.

Say, you have 20 games to play. IE, 20 tickets used to play in tournaments. You can play anytime during the week this tourney is up, and you get credit for your 20 tickets. The people that go on are the ones with the best records after the week. So, regardless of having the entire week, people couldnt just constantly play all day, they'd have a limited number of plays in each round of the tournament.

[decswxaqz]

So what makes this tournament different from all the others? There seems to be a lot more anger at this tournament than the others. People probably COM bashed/dual GCed on the other ones, so why wasn't it so hotly debated last time?

I see the battle tickets idea, but it's still open to the same sort of cheats. People could just play against themselves or a friend let them win. It would also give a lot of results the same. How would they judge the competition with lots of people on the same score? People play 10 tourneys, win them (either because they played COM by accident/coincidence, or people). You have 90% of PSO EP3 players in the same league.

Everyone seems to be in the attitude "If you can't beat them, join them". Seems a pretty stupid way of thinking to me.
"The only way I can win tihs tourney is to cheat and COM bash/dual GC because everyone else is"
If that's how you think you must agree duping is ok. You want to win on Ep3, you want to be strongest on Ep1&2. So you cheat on Ep3 to win, you dupe on Ep1&2 to get strongest items.

Why do you want to win anyway? To prove your the strongest? Or do you really want that little bit of Webmoney and a card. Or do you just want to be put on a pedestal and say "I'm the strongest"?

[Arislan]

I thought about that, and the solution to the ticketing idea is simple. Each ticket must be used against a different player. With a week of playtime, hitting 20 different opponents is not difficult. And while it is possiblt that someone may gather 19 of his friends together, it does help cut down on exploiting by a large margin.

[Mixfortune]

While true that it may be difficult to get that many people to purposely lose against you, given that they have to be different ID numbers (not different players), you can still have communities that are willing to boost up one or two of its members for namesake.

Now, let's say that you get some set number of tickets, and those tickets are for either tournament reservations (the better you do in a tournament, the more total matches you play) or each individual match. If for each individual match takes one ticket, and you run out of tickets mid-tournament, you are kicked from the tournament you are in. For sake of argument, let's say that it doesn't matter when it decides the tickets will be deducted.

Next, cut down the number of qualifying ships. They didn't need as many as they had. While this may not help players match against each other due to being able to play any time at all during the week or so, it can only help increase the number of player v player battles.

All qualifying tournaments should be 8-16 teams, preferrably 8. Once you have your teams and are ready to go, and you get the 2 minute warning. When the match starts (you move to the deck selection screen), it will take a ticket at that point if it is per match. The only thing is, the Team you play against each round will be random. This should cut a bit down on the "purposely losing" strategy. Unfortunately, these capabilities are most likely not in the code... so it is doubtful we will ever see this.

Again, if there are whole communities willing to lose against someone, there's not much you can do... but you can try and cut it down as much as possible.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Mixfortune on 2004-06-04 15:15 ]</font>

[PrinceBrightstar]

Its a good thing I decided not to participate this time. I'd probably be canceling my first episode out of anger at the community.

[Shimarisu]

On 2004-06-04 14:36, decswxaqz wrote:
So what makes this tournament different from all the others? There seems to be a lot more anger at this tournament than the others. People probably COM bashed/dual GCed on the other ones, so why wasn't it so hotly debated last time?


Because the other tournys lasted a lot longer, so you had more time to gain ground if you were set back.



I see the battle tickets idea, but it's still open to the same sort of cheats. People could just play against themselves or a friend let them win. It would also give a lot of results the same. How would they judge the competition with lots of people on the same score? People play 10 tourneys, win them (either because they played COM by accident/coincidence, or people). You have 90% of PSO EP3 players in the same league.


That is why you should have more than 20 tickets. And seriously, 90% in the same league? How does that work? What about all the people losing? You would actually get a lot LESS people than this, and even if you had a lot of people with the same score you could then have a finals ship for them to collect points on. I don't think it's really possible for a huge amount of people tro have the same score, what if you had 40 tickets - are there REALLY people who can win 40 games in a row? Even with mines, they could face the counter deck for it, or another mines deck.



Everyone seems to be in the attitude "If you can't beat them, join them". Seems a pretty stupid way of thinking to me.
"The only way I can win tihs tourney is to cheat and COM bash/dual GC because everyone else is"


Think again. The reason we had to COM bash is Sega screwing up the rules. All us GOOD players wanted a place in that tourney. There won't be another one for months. Now sorry about this, but I think I'm running out of time. As far as I am concerned 30 is still death to me. I dson't think I can ever be happy again, as of 8 months from now. So can't you give a dying person their goddamn tourny?

And you cannot compare what I do to dual GCing. It's bullshit. I was playing both sides of a fair team battle. And I was crippled in doing so because I had to think a LOT faster, I had to think for both sides. I missed turns quite often, if you want to know. When Simon was here and we played together it was a damn sight easier to handle.

Look. I'm a loner. I'm autistic. I don;t have many friends. Zane did not show up so I hooked up both cubes. Don't believe me? Ask Arislan, he was there when I first came on looking for Zane. I had to register Simon's guild card in the end, because Zane was not there. It was the ONLY chance I had.



If that's how you think you must agree duping is ok.


COM bashing is in NO WAY comparable to duping. Duping is a bug in the game, exploited for a cheat. COM bashing is not cheating but part of the game.



You want to win on Ep3, you want to be strongest on Ep1&2. So you cheat on Ep3 to win, you dupe on Ep1&2 to get strongest items.


COM bashing is NOT cheating.



Why do you want to win anyway? To prove your the strongest? Or do you really want that little bit of Webmoney and a card. Or do you just want to be put on a pedestal and say "I'm the strongest"?


Want to know the honest truth? I want to be put on a pedestal and say "I'm the strongest". Because I've never been this good at any game before and I have immense pride in it. I want to do something I'm proud of. And before you say "You can't be proud of cheating" let me say that the preliminary rounds meant nothing to me. I just wanted access to the Cup so I could prove myself as a good player. I did deserve it. Because you can bet your life I am better than the huge majority of players on this game. So if the losers are going to COM bash I'll do it too, and whup their asses in the final.

Yes and I wanted recognition for being a good player. Saying that I gave in to "if you can't beat them join them" is bullshit. So if there's a way a crap player can beat a good player, are you saying the good player should just give in, or use the same thing the crap player is doing then eventually beat them with better skill? Well actually I DID give in over this bullshit so I can't see why you are calling me out. 5 years or so ago my boyfriend entered Pokemon tournaments. Among his group of friends when they played, they would agree "No Mewtwo", because Mewtwo was cheesy. But when it came to tournaments you can bet your LIFE they would have a Mewtwo on their team rather than be beaten by a 12 year old who couldn't play for shit. They would just play the Mewtwo as the strong character to pull out if the going got tough, and had the rest of the party complimenting each other well, where the kid would just have the mewtwo and 5 other powerful and rare (probably hacked) Pokemon with shitty techs on them and badly raised. Mewtwo was the loophole with Pokemon. But the Mines deck is far, far worse than Mewtwo, trust me. I wasn't going to use it in the final, but you can bet your life I would cuss out anybody who did. I did it to Ring and his slime deck, and oh my god does Ring "sama" hate me for it, because it made him look bad. But if I got to the final the fact is I'd either win, lose on bad luck or lose to Mines deck. If nobody used Mines deck I could have gone far. If they did I would go out with honour because I myself would not use it. But can I point out that my complaining about Slimes resulted in a massive "That guy was right, something has to be done" thread on Sega's BBS. Japanese people don't tend to complain, it's seen as rude. But I'm not Japanese, and you can bet your ass I started a nice little backlash there against that horrendous card.

That was another reason for me wanting the final. To get put on that pedestal and feel proud of my win, or else to say directly to Sega "Hello, this card is not fair, please patch it."

And if you think I'm pathetic for wanting glory over a win, then you must find this whole game pretty pathetic, it being purely competitive.

I find your arguments odd. And when people call me out like this it makes me SINCERELY DOUBT that I should ever give a jot of help to people again. Why should I write guides to combos? I'll tell you why I do it - I do it becaise my stuff gets copied anyway and I want a record to prove I invented it. But when nobody respects you as a good player anyway, I don't think I should bother any more. You're right. All I want is recognition. I want to be famous. That's why I freelance for games magazines and I pitch in on translations for Konami. You don't see my name in the credits to games because I'm sad and want a pedestal, you see it because I have DRIVE AND AMBITION. My life was crap from the moment I was born. I'm very proud of how hard I have worked to say "Look at me, look what I can do, look how far this deaf autistic who was thrown out of college has got." You better damn well accept it because you ain't ever going to see any alternative from me.

- Shimarisu

[decswxaqz]

The whole tickets things is an idea. And until it's implemented (in the next game if ever), we can argue over it but it wouldn't do much good. But I was thinking that Sega couldn't/wouldn't stop you using your tickets on COM players really so people could just COM bash and then you have lots of people using all their tickets (getitng the same points) on COM players. Or you make it so that human players gave you more points, like regular tourneys. But this tourney doesn't distinguish between them right?
Anyway, seems a sort of mute discussion on tickets...

COM bashing is not cheating. I agree. But reserving a place on every ship/block/tourney is.
My definition of cheating is not playing the game it was intended. It wasn't intended for this to happen (to my knowledge at least o.o;) so it's cheating. As is dual GCing (losing to yourself or playing both sides of the team).

I never said winning was a bad thing. I never said it wasn't a compeitive game. Yes the game is competitive, but that does not mean you have to get angry if someone beats you, or things don't go the way you want them to. If someone beats you it's not the end of the world. It really isn't. But if you have to lose your integrity/honour/dignity whilst doing it, then I personally don't think it's worth doing. As I said here "If you can't beat them, join them". Is that really showing them who's boss? Can you really go to Sega saying "This deck is cheap and too powerful." when it got you into/won the finals? If so, isn't that being hypocritical? Or are you showing them it's too powerful on principal? Would you give up the prizes to show you were only making a statement against the deck and give the cup title to second place?

And to be blunt, isn't it time you stopped using the austitic card and bad life card? I have cancer in a rather bad place, my gf has borderline syndrome and often tries to commit suicide. I've tried as well to be perfectly honest. But you know what? I don't care (not about my gf of course ^_^;). Everyone has something bad to complain about, either about their life or themselves (ie illness).
I live my life the way that makes me happy. If I was in the tournament and getting angry over the whole state of affairs, I wouldn't play. Why should I spend my time doing something I hate and is making me angry? It just doesn't make sense really.
Life does not end at 30. But if it makes you happy thinking that, I'm not going to tell you otherwise.

And none of my comments are (usually) specifically aimed at you. But you just happen to be the one voicing your opinions and this is the best place for me to add my 2 cents. Sorry if you think I'm just having a go at you but I'm not.

[Shimarisu]

On 2004-06-05 02:17, decswxaqz wrote:
The whole tickets things is an idea. And until it's implemented (in the next game if ever), we can argue over it but it wouldn't do much good. But I was thinking that Sega couldn't/wouldn't stop you using your tickets on COM players really so people could just COM bash and then you have lots of people using all their tickets (getitng the same points) on COM players.


This is why I said there should be less ships. It won't stop clans reserving up all the places and boosting one member, but it will at least LIMIT the com bashing activity so everybody gets a chance. And yeah, how about NO points for fighting a COM?



COM bashing is not cheating. I agree. But reserving a place on every ship/block/tourney is.


Actually it's not, and here's why. It didn't stop ANYONE getting a game. What it did was enable the people doing it to find a COM game more easily. Nobody was actually reserving tournies and filling them up to get COM only. But most of the games were empty anyway. I thought this would give me a better chance, but really it did not. <any of those doing it still ended up with human players, only the very lucky did not. The only ones cheating with this IMO, were the ones who, on finding an empty ship, jumped straight there and deceived anybody who entered to try to get them to leave. I stopped doing the reservation thing on the second day and just flitted around til I got a COM game, or as few humans as possible. Not because I don't think I can win to humans. But because I knew for a fact some humans took forever, and that would ruin my chances. I'm not going to stop doing this in Cups either, until Sega remove the com basdhing thing. Trust me, I want them to as much as anybody.



My definition of cheating is not playing the game it was intended.


As Arislan says, reserving multiple tournies is the way it was intended, otherwise it wouldn't be allowed. I've actually been doing it for months now, will reserve a few Vega games on the 3 most used ships, then near the time cancel the ones without players and skip to the only decent tourny.



It wasn't intended for this to happen (to my knowledge at least o.o;) so it's cheating. As is dual GCing (losing to yourself or playing both sides of the team).


I am very pissed off that you are accusing me of cheating because my partner did not show so I used my second cube. I gained NO advantage from it. It's a very small stretch to make to go from playing with my boyfriend on the same team and telling him exactly what to do and where to go, and just doing it myself. I don't see the difference. My partners use my decks anyway. You partner with me, you use my deck unless you came up with a better one. I can not convince many people to do this, so until then I'm using the second GC. It's no different whatsoever to the times I played with Simon before he moved to Japan, he would not move an INCH without me telling him where to go, because he's not a good player. How is this cheating? You tell me now you would NOT do it yourself had you got two cubes, had no friends and wanted to test a deck plan you designed.



I never said winning was a bad thing. I never said it wasn't a compeitive game. Yes the game is competitive, but that does not mean you have to get angry if someone beats you, or things don't go the way you want them to.


I'll get angry at the things I want to get angry at, and if somebody stalls me in an important cup then I'll get ANGRY AS HELL that they came to this cup with a crappy deck that was poor against the COM.



If someone beats you it's not the end of the world. It really isn't. But if you have to lose your integrity/honour/dignity whilst doing it, then I personally don't think it's worth doing.


Speak for yourself on your opinion of me losing honour or dignity. I lost NONE fighting COM. It was the only way in. I lost far more DIGNITY deciding to step down, conceeding it was bullshit (once again, WHY ARE YOU ON AT ME WHEN I QUIT?) because Billie Joe will now destroy my life. I'm considering selling my copy as a matter of fact.



As I said here "If you can't beat them, join them". Is that really showing them who's boss?


Yes, because I believe I am better than them and could have won in the cup. Will you now kindly fuck off. I FUCKING QUIT! I wish I hadn't quit now. I wish I'd gone on with the com bashing, got in the to 32 and got a chance at the cup, because it now MATTERS NOT A JOT THAT I DID YOUR SO CALLED HONORABLE THING AND QUIT, BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL CALLING ME OUT AND CALLING ME A CHEATER!

And now you've probably earned me a warning, to boot.



Can you really go to Sega saying "This deck is cheap and too powerful." when it got you into/won the finals?


ONCE AGAIN I WAS NOT GOING TO USE IT IN THE FINALS. I DID OTHER PEOPLE IN THE TOURNY A FAVOUR BY USING IT ON COMS, BECAUSE IT MEANS I DID NOT DELAY THEM.



If so, isn't that being hypocritical?


No. It isn't.



Or are you showing them it's too powerful on principal?


I'm showing no human player this deck. Read. My. Fucking. Posts. Actually tell a lie, I did use it once, because a friend told me that the people coming up next were using it. I just corrupted. I don't have the cards for the counter deck. I don't have ANY cards but cards for my main hunter deck and the machine deck. I begged people for cards for the machine deck so I could tag the COMs quickly.



Would you give up the prizes to show you were only making a statement against the deck and give the cup title to second place?


Read. My. Fucking. Posts. Hopw many times did I say "I'm not using the deck in the final." How many?



And to be blunt, isn't it time you stopped using the austitic card and bad life card?


No. No it's not. How dare you suggest I use it as an excuse. I fought for five years for this diagnosis so I could get better treatment. Everybody treated me like shit, because there was no explanation of what was wrong with me. I lost my education, and any chance of employability. I was arrested three times and twice beaten by the police. The foul temper, the need to prove myself better than anybody, the intense distrust of people all stem from years of abuse. 29 years of such. I only found out about high functioning autism 7 years ago. By that point I was kicked out on my arse from college, had slashed my wrists about 10 times, had been in hospital twice, arrested twice, involved with the police over a vandalism of somebody's home which the whole neighborhood pinned on me, beaten by my parents, pushed down the stairs/pushed into a roadworks by my mother, beaten repeatedly by my dad, abused by staff at the school I went to who kept trying to get me expelled over fights OTHER CHILDREN had started with me, OTHER CHILDREN I had not hit back. I was the neighborhood Boo Radley for 20 fucking years.
All because of my hysterical crying fits that nobody wanted to put up with. You don't know how bad this affects me, do you? It affects me profoundly. I am mid rate MOBILITY because I can't technically leave the house unsupervised. Not because of what I do, but how other people react to it. Next time you want to talk dignity, think about having your head smacked hard against the floor by a policeman who prepares to sit on you, handcuff you and fucking drag you into a car, then let you go 30 minutes later after admitteding you did nothing illegal. I say daily to people "I am autistic" because I have to to stop them calling the police. I get arrested by the police because I am phobic of them, I act hysterically and when they try to grab me I struggle. Police don't like that. They arrest you if you try to struggle. But what the whole world should fucking know is you don't fucking touch autistics. I can't even go in a shop where I am not known without them calling security because I walk around looking like a scared rabbit and they think it's because I'm stealing stuff from them. Last time they took my fucking credit card because I was "acting shiftily" and the signature didn't match. Then when security comes I panic hysterically, because if they call the police I would die. I would simply die. 30 is death to me because 30 is the limit of my getting away with not being a crazy old woman. The tolerance for my problems has got steadily less the older I've got, even though the problems have improved over time due to conditioning.



I have cancer in a rather bad place, my gf has borderline syndrome and often tries to commit suicide. I've tried as well to be perfectly honest.


Well you know, I'm really sorry about that, but then I do think you can use your problems as a REASON, not excuse for certain things you do, and too many people hate themselves for their problems instead of admitting it's not wholy their fault. You want to do something about that suicide thing, because I think you're still in self-hating territory. My anger may not be pretty, but it keeps me alive. If I thought it was my fault that I got banned from an anime convention last year, I'd be dead now. That would have been the last straw.

But I'd be the last person in the world to stop blaming my problems, try to live with them, try to adapt to things that were unadaptable to so that I could please the "normal" people, then hate myself for my failure and pull a Marc Segar http://www.shifth.mistral.co.uk/autism/marc2.htm - they peeled him off a tree after he purposefully drove his much loved car that he had worked hard and battled against his condition to afford, at 100 mph.

Last edition of his "A Survival Guide for People with Asperger's Syndrome" guide that he, as a successful autistic thought would be extremely helpful to other autistics, is dated the month before his death. All very ironic and tragic. The other sad fact is, not many autistics consider his advice to be remotely helpful, given what it ended up doing to him. Tragically ironic that it's called "A survivial Guide", when the author of it did not survive.

My form of autism is more debilitating than his.



I live my life the way that makes me happy. If I was in the tournament and getting angry over the whole state of affairs, I wouldn't play. Why should I spend my time doing something I hate and is making me angry?


If you'll notice, I didn't either. I quit.



It just doesn't make sense really.
Life does not end at 30.


It does if your page 3 figure and youthful looks are the only thing that ever stopped people being cruel to you. Note my specification of "I was abused at school by the staff." There was a long hiatus from the age of 14 to the age of 22 from me being abused by BOYS, trust me. Yrah, it was the girls who fought me, often because their boyfriend had been seen hitting on me, the class freak. Incenses me that once I got to my mid 20s I was no longer viable to men, they are all borderline pedophiles.

My youth is everything to me.

- Shimarisu

[YujiNaka]

I can't hear this shit anymore!
Ok, Im a bit disappointed because we were Rank5 the first day, Rank 15 the second day and Rank 31 the third day (but stupid finalists system tho). Anyway, I would NEVER use a cheap MC deck to only get into the Finals.
If I would do so, I'm same bad as they are! And there is no excuse for this!
And dude: this is still just a game! That's why SONIC TEAM said to us: "enjoy it", "have fun".
Don't think too much about getting into the finals, just play and have fun.

[Shimarisu]

On 2004-06-05 04:52, YujiNaka wrote:
I can't hear this shit anymore!
Ok, Im a bit disappointed because we were Rank5 the first day, Rank 15 the second day and Rank 31 the third day (but stupid finalists system tho). Anyway, I would NEVER use a cheap MC deck to only get into the Finals.
If I would do so, I'm same bad as they are! And there is no excuse for this!
And dude: this is still just a game! That's why SONIC TEAM said to us: "enjoy it", "have fun".
Don't think too much about getting into the finals, just play and have fun.




This is why I don;t like you. You take everything I say and twist it around. I don't know if it's because English is not your native laguage, but can I please reiterate one more time.

1. I MADE THIS DECK TO PLAY AGAINST COMS.
2. I USED A HUNTER DECK ON HUMANS.
3. I JUST CORRUPTED SO ALL I COULD DO WAS MAKE MY HUNTER DECK OF COMMON CARDS FOR HUMANS AND THE MACHINE DECK FOR COMS. My Hunter deck is WAY too slow on this grid for fighting COMs. Get over yourself.

There is nothing fucking wrong with using the cheapest deck in all christendom to fight an opponent who is mere computer data! Sorry you feel the need to protect the poor COM so much. I guess I lost all dignity for using red slimes in offline arkz too.

I bow to your obviously high integrity, which is funny really because the fact that you got so far without purposefully COM bashing in a game where luck is a high factor does seem to suggest to me that YOU were using a cheap Hunters deck. Oh yeah, and I know plenty. They still get beaten by Machine, but I know, and indeed invented several decks that I get cussed out severely for using.

- Shimarisu

[Shimarisu]

Oh, and, I quit. For good this time. Goodbye, and fuck you.

I'll give myself the usual month to try to get over this, then if I'm not coming back I'l;l do something to get myself banned from the site, as it's doing me no good at all.

I hate you all. Really. I hate your fucking guts. I hate how the vast majority of you use known strategies that are copied all over the game. I hate how people use my strategies then call me a cheater. I use original decks and I think I cheat, if you can call being cheap cheating, if you can call copying other decks cheating, less than the huge majority of you. I'm not the one to blame here, Sega are. Go take it to Sega. I only com bashed to gain ground because of the stupid, unfair time limit. If I was a hacker, i'd hack this game to DEATH to make it work better.

And then you'd call me a cheater for improving your game.

- Shimarisu

[YujiNaka]

I didnt mean you especially, I mean everybody who use MC decks against HUMAN. I dont care about using it vs COM.

Ahaha, and you quit AGAIN?! Didnt you quit several times this game?? And in 2 months you are back again, making big trouble about bad CUPs, bad players, bad game...everything bad for you.

[Skorpius]

:doesnt read anything:
How about stop complaining? The tournament was a joke anyway, why even get a fuss over it? You knew as well as I that this was not going to be fair, so why put yourself into sucha position where you get POed over this? Were the prizes even worth winning? Not really..

If you wanted fun, you could play your friends on the G1 maps offered as practice for Free Battle online. That's what I did and I had fun :)

And, wtf, Fly/Quake/HolyRay

[PrinceBrightstar]

Shim, you should know that during my entire time on US version, i wasn't com bashing. I was fighting fairly against human players, and maybe that was my downfall. maybe Com bashing does yeild more mesta than fighting humans if you're fast enough. I have just as much anger at this and I didn't realize that until today, and thus my retirement meant nothing. With PSM, I'll be coming back to EP 3, but I will continue to fight fairly. I won't comp bash. And I don't use cheap decks. Its just not my style. If you ever want a fair fight, just come looking to me.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Jonathan_F on 2004-06-05 06:12 ]</font>

[decswxaqz]

On 2004-06-05 05:34, YujiNaka wrote:
Ahaha, and you quit AGAIN?! Didnt you quit several times this game?? And in 2 months you are back again, making big trouble about bad CUPs, bad players, bad game...everything bad for you.


I thought she quit because she went to Japan =/.
I'm sorry for accusing you of cheating. Yes it wasn't fair that your partner didn't turn up/wasn't there. But in my eyes, I would class it as unfair. But everyone has their own idea of cheating and what is included and excluded.

It wasn't my intention to make you angry and quit. Sorry for any hard feelings http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif.

[Deus-Irae]

On 2004-06-05 05:24, Shimarisu wrote:
Oh, and, I quit. For good this time. Goodbye, and fuck you.

I hate you all. Really. I hate your fucking guts.
- Shimarisu



seriously uncalled for and out of controll.

you're obviously not having fun with this game anymore. give it a rest.

do yourself and all of us a favor: retire and dont come back.

it will be better for your health and our sanity.

(this post is serious, and not meant to flame in any way.)

[InfinityXXX]

Well um...Shimarisu, there are lots of things i agree with you on like using cheap decks on cpu's and how you play to win.

[Scejntjynahl]

This is all so sad, you guys complaining about the unfairness of it all, the unbalance feel to it... etc etc. Even if its true, AT LEAST YOU GET TO PLAY IN IT. Me... stuck at work, never get a chance to test my skills... I would rather face all the crap you people talk about... but no... I get to play solo and never get any better.

Shim I agree with you, I understand your frustration, but at least you got to participate, I cant even say that... All I get is to read about the greatness and the flaws in the tourneys.

I have even given up playing eps3 online, whats the point... solo. Might as well just play offline.

[Firocket1690]

[http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=32201&forum=9&215]Just a good suggestion before you accidentally do anything you might regret later on.[/url] http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Oh, and most of you, lay off >=o

[Daikarin]

This is one of the many reasons I won't buy this game.

From what I've come to see, Arkz are much more advantaged than Hunters, wether in deck or in field. How can Sonic Team say that it's "Balanced gameplay for both sides" when Hunters are in it for lots of tough turns in this game?

The thing about Tournaments seemed cool to me, but not anymore. o_O

Ah, and Shim, don't mind that stupid World Cup. It's only the Tournament of the best in the world right? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

*Sigh*

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Even_Jin on 2004-06-10 03:34 ]</font>

[BrokenHope]

I know shim has problems, but meh I work at a school that is just for autistics and the majority of them will NEVER get to shims level of communication or ability, sure she has problems but I have seen autistics that are a lot worse. =/

[derBauer]

Shim, if you want to be the best you have to play.