Women in anime and games

[InfinityXXX]

Do you gals or guys think that anime and video games exploits women? I think some does.

[ABDUR101]

It sells well when the fan base are men, expecially young men. But who cares, it's not really exploiting anyone, it's artwork. Abit over-done on many occasions, but again, selling points.

[KodiaX987]

Lolita said so, girls don't play video games.

[Ness]

I don't think it does. First off, none of the women in anime and videogmes are real; and second, I really don't see them being objectified in any form or fashion.

[Eanae]

On 2004-07-10 06:17, KodiaX987 wrote:
Lolita said so, girls don't play video games.



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[Dhylec]

InfinityXXX wrote:
anime and video games exploits women?
exploit women? hm, in what way?

[SunScar]

It's just a marketing tool to get young men to buy the product. But I have to say it is very frusterating for a girl to have to play games and watch anime with nothing but perfectly figured, big chested women.

[Akulamenuri]

Its just a very successful marketing technique.

[Ness]

On 2004-07-10 06:55, SunScar wrote:
It's just a marketing tool to get young men to buy the product. But I have to say it is very frusterating for a girl to have to play games and watch anime with nothing but perfectly figured, big chested women.



The same can be said about the fact that all the men in anime are muscular and thin. Quite honestly, I don't care either way because they are just cartoons to me.

[DruidMettool]

On 2004-07-10 06:46, Eanae wrote:


On 2004-07-10 06:17, KodiaX987 wrote:
Lolita said so, girls don't play video games.



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_no.gif



It's true, Eanae. And girls don't use the internet either. It's a well-known fact. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[InfinityXXX]

I was watching an episode of X play and they were talking about it and then i remember my freind saying that she hates anime because of how they show women. I think some does but not all. But i can understand how women get upset seeing perfectly tonned big chested women. Its funny because my mom watches cowboy bebop and when they show Faye(I think i spelled it right) she flips the station.

[Ness]

On 2004-07-10 10:14, InfinityXXX wrote:
I was watching an episode of X play and they were talking about it and then i remember my freind saying that she hates anime because of how they show women. I think some does but not all. But i can understand how women get upset seeing perfectly tonned big chested women. Its funny because my mom watches cowboy bebop and when they show Faye(I think i spelled it right) she flips the station.



This probably goes back to the fact that some women get their panties in a bucnh everytime they see a female (animated or not) that is more attractive than she is.

[AUTO_]

On 2004-07-10 10:26, Ness wrote:


On 2004-07-10 10:14, InfinityXXX wrote:
I was watching an episode of X play and they were talking about it and then i remember my freind saying that she hates anime because of how they show women. I think some does but not all. But i can understand how women get upset seeing perfectly tonned big chested women. Its funny because my mom watches cowboy bebop and when they show Faye(I think i spelled it right) she flips the station.



This probably goes back to the fact that some women get their panties in a bucnh everytime they see a female (animated or not) that is more attractive than she is.



So THAT'S why chicks can never leave the remote control alone...

[Eanae]

On 2004-07-10 09:21, DruidMettool wrote:


On 2004-07-10 06:46, Eanae wrote:


On 2004-07-10 06:17, KodiaX987 wrote:
Lolita said so, girls don't play video games.



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_no.gif



It's true, Eanae. And girls don't use the internet either. It's a well-known fact. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



*sigh* I remember her saying that. She said it to me as a matter of fact when I was defending her http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

It's sad though, because I love a girl who plays games. It's another thing we'd have in common. I love my friends that are girl who can sit down and kick my butt in some odd game. It's fun to play with them. I mean, the person who I play PSO mostly with, is *gasp* a girl. I love to be able to sit and talk with her while we're playing. It's just one of those things you grow to look forward to when playing. I wish people would stop dissing women who play games. I'd hate it if no girls played games. It makes things too... masculin...

[Solstis]

On 2004-07-10 13:54, Eanae wrote:


On 2004-07-10 09:21, DruidMettool wrote:


On 2004-07-10 06:46, Eanae wrote:


On 2004-07-10 06:17, KodiaX987 wrote:
Lolita said so, girls don't play video games.



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_no.gif



It's true, Eanae. And girls don't use the internet either. It's a well-known fact. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



*sigh* I remember her saying that. She said it to me as a matter of fact when I was defending her http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

It's sad though, because I love a girl who plays games. It's another thing we'd have in common. I love my friends that are girl who can sit down and kick my butt in some odd game. It's fun to play with them. I mean, the person who I play PSO mostly with, is *gasp* a girl. I love to be able to sit and talk with her while we're playing. It's just one of those things you grow to look forward to when playing. I wish people would stop dissing women who play games. I'd hate it if no girls played games. It makes things too... masculin...



You are taking this a bit too seriously. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

Anyway, I find myself unaffected by all this "sexy" videogameness, but that's for various and obvious reasons.

[BOC]

why not have overly-attractive and scantly clad women in games and anime? Its fantasy, why shouldn't they be pleasing to the eye?

The same way that the male leads are always the typical muscley, in-shape, with that typical "grrr im a man prone to anger and look sexy while i do it"

if men and women where potrayed acurately in games and anime, it wouldn't be as entertaining. they are both forms of aural entertainment, so why shouldn't what your looking at beautiful/ handsome/ cute?

And why should it be any different from movies? you only ever see jenifer garner, cameron diaz et al in the big rolls, not rosanne.

and the same reason why when you walk into a 'trendy' clothing store you have any number of knock out girls that work there swarming about.

sex sells. fact.

and dont forget people, that not all games potray women so sexily. look at the prison guard lady in the amazing quake 3. or ine-san in shenmue. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

besides their not even real people, so why should people get so annoyed?

PEACE!!!




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[Scrub]

Not all video game men are sexy, either. I don't think I ever want to see Mario's penis.

[Solstis]

BOC is teh wise one.

*bows*

[Eanae]

On 2004-07-10 14:01, Solstis wrote:
You are taking this a bit too seriously. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

Anyway, I find myself unaffected by all this "sexy" videogameness, but that's for various and obvious reasons.





I agree that all this in video game is good, and reading my post I see it reads kinda rough. That post was regarding what lolita had said before.

But honestly, who does want a bunch of unattractive people in their video game? *thinks of the fat german lady in Return to Castle wolfenstien and shudders.*



Not all video game men are sexy, either. I don't think I ever want to see Mario's penis.

Ewww... I don't think ANYONE wants to see that... well, maybe princess peach does... but any normal person! *shudders again*

[RFB]

On 2004-07-10 14:23, Scrub wrote:
Not all video game men are sexy, either. I don't think I ever want to see Mario's penis.



Now, THAT was disturbing.
And BOC, if you had a crush on Ine-San... then you need to be locked in a dark room with no windows, and then the key for the lock must be thrown to a dark hole. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif it's not only that she is old and ugly, but also.. argh, I just hate her!! >_< Always over you, like "no,no,no,no,no,no, oh, and did I say no?. no.". She gets one my nerves

and yes, men and women are stereotyped (I hope I said that right) in anime and videogames. But, think about it this way, Prince of Persia Sands of Time: in the portrait, the main character, showing off how fit he is with a badass face. Would you buy it if, instead, the portrait would be of a fat character eating donuts and with a happyhappyjoyjoy smile? I dont think so...

But, thank god that it is only the body, and not the mind. Lets hope that never changes.

[BOC]

On 2004-07-10 14:32, RFB wrote:
And BOC, if you had a crush on Ine-San... then you need to be locked in a dark room with no windows, and then the key for the lock must be thrown to a dark hole. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif it's not only that she is old and ugly, but also.. argh, I just hate her!!

*hides center-fold of ine-san* errr, what kinda weirdo would fancy ine-san? hehehehehehe *nervous eye movement*

eugh, but one of my friends bought a porn mag once and when he got home, it was 'mature' ladies. He felt the need to photocopy a picture of a 60 year old doing nasty things with a carrot and slip it into my locker. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_dead.gif

see, sickos do exist.

PEACE!!!

[Deathscythealpha]

I think if you look at it nearly everyone in Anime is good looking, event he villains. As everyone else has said its just that sex sells.

But one thing that should be pointed out is not the characters appearence, but their personality. Alot of these woman are strong willed and liberated. Alot of them get to be as intelligent and even more intelligent then their male co-stars.

Same as in video games. But maybe they should start making female characters with a slightly smaller bust. Im not bothered if Laras chest is big or not, i rather have a good game (which they would do that too)

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-10 01:02, InfinityXXX wrote:
Do you gals or guys think that anime and video games exploits women? I think some does.


To answer your question.....a big "Hell No". They aren't real women.....and games and anime aren't real and people that can't tell the difference are psychotic *more than likely*.

Now, porn is a definite exploitation and morally degrading factor in our society. It is a serious issue......babes in video games and anime isn't that big a deal *not hardly a big deal at all to tell you the truth*. Although there have been the occassional nude babes in a few video games and then there's hentai *which is anime porn*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

I just find it funny when someone is turned-off or insulted because a woman in a video game or anime is wearing "barely there" cloths or whatever. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



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[Ness]

On 2004-07-10 17:21, DarthFomar wrote:

Now, porn is a definite exploitation and morally degrading factor in our society. It is a serious issue......babes in video games and anime isn't that big a deal *not hardly a big deal at all to tell you the truth*. Although there have been the occassional nude babes in a few video games and then there's hentai *which is anime porn*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif



AW HELL NO!!!

There is nothing wrong with porn.

1. No one forces those women to do that (in most cases).

2. Porn does not degrade anything morally, unless you are using Christian values as a moral standard.

3. I think society would be worse off if porn were illegal because it would be unregulated and the number of rapes would increase.

[InfinityXXX]

Yea i kinda agree with ness on pornography. Women in pornography are just like the women in the rap videos. No one puts a gun up to their head and make them have sex or prance around naked.

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-10 19:16, Ness wrote:


On 2004-07-10 17:21, DarthFomar wrote:

Now, porn is a definite exploitation and morally degrading factor in our society. It is a serious issue......babes in video games and anime isn't that big a deal *not hardly a big deal at all to tell you the truth*. Although there have been the occassional nude babes in a few video games and then there's hentai *which is anime porn*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif



AW HELL NO!!!

There is nothing wrong with porn.

1. No one forces those women to do that (in most cases).

2. Porn does not degrade anything morally, unless you are using Christian values as a moral standard.

3. I think society would be worse off if porn were illegal because it would be unregulated and the number of rapes would increase.





Even so.....pornography offends a vast majority of women. Though video game and anime sexuality isn't a big deal....to most women, pornography is. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Porn is more likely to offend a woman than a half-naked/sexy outfitted video game or anime character. I wasn't trying to demolish/degrade/slander anything with the porn speech.....I was just saying that a lot of women are offended by it, on most circumstances. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Once again......I am just saying that some women don't like it and don't abide it *in other words they don't and can't tolerate it, nor do they hold peace with the production industry, watta, watta, watta*.

Just a little food for thought, nothing more. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Shattered_weasel]

Why don't we ask the ladies instead of thinking if it makes them mad or not.

Or are females just to hard for you guys to comprehend.

like spelling is for me.....

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-10 21:11, Shattered_weasel wrote:
Why don't we ask the ladies instead of thinking if it makes them mad or not.

Or are females just to hard for you guys to comprehend.

like spelling is for me.....


Ummm......obviously people already know it doesn't sit too well with some women. It's been massively protested before...and I've known and witnessed plenty of women that admit they despised it.

Common knowledge isn't the only factor in determing this fact....but if you think hard enough, even a moron could figure out that a lot of women don't like pornography, uh dur!!!

And don't go flipping out cuz one woman likes it and what not....cuz that's only one out of millions of others *and there are probably women out there that do like it, but I've never been around any in my entire life*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Shattered_weasel]

Ah yes this is all true. But why not ask the females here what they think....NOW!

O....I like porn.....

[Outrider]

To be fair, there's quite a few women who enjoy watching pornography, so it's not like it's just us guys who support the industry.

[Ness]

On 2004-07-10 20:54, DarthFomar wrote:
Even so.....pornography offends a vast majority of women. Though video game and anime sexuality isn't a big deal....to most women, pornography is. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif


That's just a misconception. It only seems like the vast majority are against it because the ones that hate it tend to be very vocal about it. Statistically, women like porn almost as much as men do. Infact some women like looking at porn with their boyfriends or husbands.



Porn is more likely to offend a woman than a half-naked/sexy outfitted video game or anime character. I wasn't trying to demolish/degrade/slander anything with the porn speech.....I was just saying that a lot of women are offended by it, on most circumstances. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif




See above.

[BOC]

whats wrong with porn? they wouldnt do it unless they wanted to. can be degrading, and a number of females can despise it, but i find most of my female friends aren't annoyed by it. a few think its funny, some im sure, enjoy it!

no-one considers it de-grading to men though, do they?

a female porn star is responsible for de-grading women
a male porn star is a living legend. a god among insects.

general opinion, but what other than gender is the difference?

PEACE!!!

[Gnarled_rose]

Video games degrading women? Hmm.....
Well, I've only heard one person actively protest a video game for that reason, but mothers don't count, right?
I guess some video games have a...certain sexual appeal to people who have skin grafts connecting them to a game console controller...But keep in mind, there are a number of video games where the female is the be-all, end-all of the story. And I think more often than not, it's the main female who's pivotal in the story; meaning either she saves the hero at the last moment, or saves the world at the last minute, etc...

[KodiaX987]

Let's just agree that Anime chicks have big boobs and Anime guys have big dicks and move on, all right?

[DarthFomar]

I guess the newer Generations are the ones that don't have a problem with pornography, because obviously you people don't associate with anyone older than 30 years of age. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

You know, there are a lot of older age women that do not like it. God, you people need to get out and stop living off whatever the hell you're living on, it's making you delusional.

There are thousands upon thousands of women that literally despise the porn industry. Sure there are those that like it.......but there are even more than don't like it.

I am not trying to push any buttons or make people mad......I am just trying to tell you people that a lot of women, do...not...like...porn!!

And please.....don't even start saying that women like porn because there are "pornstars". I think everyone can realize that those poeple are part of the population that like porn, otherwise they wouldn't be doing what they're doing for a career/job.

I am not saying there's something wrong with porn......it's not really degrading *well unless you get into all that......kinky stuff, then it's just weird* but to thousands of women it is a big concern for them.

If you can't understand this, than you are hopeless.

Jeez, and I thought I had a thick head..... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



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[Ness]

On 2004-07-11 07:44, DarthFomar wrote:
I guess the newer Generations are the ones that don't have a problem with pornography, because obviously you people don't associate with anyone older than 30 years of age. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


Most women that age don't like anything that has to do with society nowadays. You also have to take into consideration that those were the women alive during the feminist movement and at that time militant feminists were alot more common than they are today.

Note; there is a difference between a feminist and a militant feminist.


You know, there are a lot of older age women that do not like it. God, you people need to get out and stop living off whatever the hell you're living on, it's making you delusional.

You're the one that's delusional saying that the great majority of women despise porn just because few middle-aged women said they hated it.


There are thousands upon thousands of women that literally despise the porn industry. Sure there are those that like it.......but there are even more than don't like it.

There probably are thousands of women who hate it, but there are million of women that don't. The honest truth is that most women are neutral when it comes to porn. They don't like it, but they don't have a problem with it either.


I am not trying to push any buttons or make people mad......I am just trying to tell you people that a lot of women, do...not...like...porn!!

But msot of them are indifferent to it.



I am not saying there's something wrong with porn......it's not really degrading *well unless you get into all that......kinky stuff, then it's just weird* but to thousands of women it is a big concern for them.

What we are saying is that thousands does not equal the majority.



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[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-11 08:24, Ness wrote:


On 2004-07-11 07:44, DarthFomar wrote:
I guess the newer Generations are the ones that don't have a problem with pornography, because obviously you people don't associate with anyone older than 30 years of age. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


Most women that age don't like anything that has to do with society nowadays. You also have to take into consideration that those were the women alive during the feminist movement and at that time militant feminists were alot more common than they are today.

Note; there is a difference between a feminist and a militant feminist.


You know, there are a lot of older age women that do not like it. God, you people need to get out and stop living off whatever the hell you're living on, it's making you delusional.

You're the one that's delusional saying that the great majority of women despise porn just because few middle-aged women said they hated it.


There are thousands upon thousands of women that literally despise the porn industry. Sure there are those that like it.......but there are even more than don't like it.

There probably are thousands of women who hate it, but there are million of women that don't. The honest truth is that most women are neutral when it comes to porn. They don't like it, but they don't have a problem with it either.


I am not trying to push any buttons or make people mad......I am just trying to tell you people that a lot of women, do...not...like...porn!!

But msot of them are indifferent to it.



I am not saying there's something wrong with porn......it's not really degrading *well unless you get into all that......kinky stuff, then it's just weird* but to thousands of women it is a big concern for them.

What we are saying is that thousands does not equal the majority.



Obviously you are taking my posts word for word. Thousands is an under-exageration....... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

No one really knows the exact amount of women that don't like porn. But, thousands *lots of thousands* of women have protested against it. And they are just a representation of a vast group of women that feel that way. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Good lord people.....it's like talking to a wall. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Start asking random women if they like porn or not. Not only will you turn yourself into a known pervert, but it will offend a good majority of the women you ask. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif *fyi, that was a joke* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Whether you like it or not.....there are a lot of women out there that don't like pornography *and yes, I know there are a lot that do like it or that have no opinion on it*. Nevertheless, I've known and still know a lot that don't. And don't start that "well, your living environment is different" crap, cuz it's not that different....not by a long shot.

I'm still half asleep.....so I'll finish this crap later. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_sleep.gif

[Ness]

On 2004-07-11 14:46, DarthFomar wrote:
Obviously you are taking my posts word for word. Thousands is an under-exageration....... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

No one really knows the exact amount of women that don't like porn. But, thousands *lots of thousands* of women have protested against it. And they are just a representation of a vast group of women that feel that way. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


Actually, most protesters only represent themselves. They may claim otherwise, but they are jsut delusional. For example, those "gaypride" protesters who protest thing out in the street don't represent all gays. They don't don't even represent everyone in those pro-gay organizations (I use "pro-gay" here because I don't know the names of the organizations).


Good lord people.....it's like talking to a wall. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Start asking random women if they like porn or not. Not only will you turn yourself into a known pervert, but it will offend a good majority of the women you ask. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif *fyi, that was a joke* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

I will offend them because I'm running up to them and asking random questions.



Whether you like it or not.....there are a lot of women out there that don't like pornography *and yes, I know there are a lot that do like it or that have no opinion on it*. Nevertheless, I've known and still know a lot that don't. And don't start that "well, your living environment is different" crap, cuz it's not that different....not by a long shot.

I'm not saying that there aren't alot of women that dislike pornography. What I'm saying is that you are making it sound like there are more than there actually is. Also where you live also has alot to do with it because different groups of people have different sets of values. Many women like porn almost as much as men do, many more dislike porn and/or are offended by it, but most of them are indifferent to it.

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-12 08:14, Ness wrote:


On 2004-07-11 14:46, DarthFomar wrote:
Obviously you are taking my posts word for word. Thousands is an under-exageration....... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

No one really knows the exact amount of women that don't like porn. But, thousands *lots of thousands* of women have protested against it. And they are just a representation of a vast group of women that feel that way. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


Actually, most protesters only represent themselves. They may claim otherwise, but they are jsut delusional. For example, those "gaypride" protesters who protest thing out in the street don't represent all gays. They don't don't even represent everyone in those pro-gay organizations (I use "pro-gay" here because I don't know the names of the organizations).


Oh my god........do you think before all the Civil Rights Acts were passed that the sole protestors were the only ones that thought everyone deserved their "Civil Rights"????????

Protestors are just a minor representation of a group of people. Not everyone has the time nor the ability to protest, so in turn they are just a small image of a big ideal.

Protestors are suppose to represent an ideal......when enough people protest, it can change things. But, not everyone with the same views will protest, it's just not naturally possible *they will either be at work, visiting relatives, shopping, injured, sick, etc, etc*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Lol, I'm sorry......what you just said was so irrational. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


I will offend them because I'm running up to them and asking random questions.



No duh.......that's why I said it was a joke. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


I'm not saying that there aren't alot of women that dislike pornography. What I'm saying is that you are making it sound like there are more than there actually is. Also where you live also has alot to do with it because different groups of people have different sets of values. Many women like porn almost as much as men do, many more dislike porn and/or are offended by it, but most of them are indifferent to it.


I'm willing to bet that 6 out of 10 women do not like pornography.

Every close personal female I've known hasn't liked it and I've even asked my friends if they've had any close female friends that liked it.

Do you know what the answer was.......a big fat "NO".

Out of around 50 women total......none of them like pornography. Are you catching on here. Get a girlfriend, then down the road....ask her. She will, more than likely, say she "doesn't agree with it".

I'm sorry but when did the majority of women become porn hungry animals??? Men are the only ones that are prone to pornography.

There "are" more women that don't like pornography than the ones that do. Maybe in a few hundred years women will become obsessed with it like men, but I seriously doubt it. It's not that bad yet, there are still millions of fairly decent women in the world.

God, can't you respect the fact that "most" women don't like pornography? And for that matter, can't you respect the fact that they "don't like it in the first place"?

You know, you can look at porn however you like it. But, there are so many women out there that just do not like it. You can either open your eyes to this fact or you can live in your delusions and fantasies all your life.....I frankly don't give a damn.

I'm tired of this shit, I hate arguing past the prime. I am not posting anymore.....I think I've made my points valid enough. This is old and tiring, am I right?!



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[navci]

On 2004-07-12 17:09, DarthFomar wrote:
I'm willing to bet that 6 out of 10 women do not like pornography.

Every close personal female I've known hasn't liked it and I've even asked my friends if they've had any close female friends that liked it.

Do you know what the answer was.......a big fat "NO".

Out of around 50 women total......none of them like pornography. Are you catching on here. Get a girlfriend, then down the road....ask her. She will, more than likely, say she "doesn't agree with it".


I am not going to argue the point about whether or not women like porn. I have known women who detest it, and I have known women that enjoy tasteful porn now and then, and women that finds porn a good substitute for comedies. (go figure)

But I'd like to point out that you draw your conclusion about how most women think based on an assumption that you made and based on people you have asked. There are several things that might make your "sample" not very representative of the whole women population and hence makes your claim about how most women think about porn invalid.

1. You asked your close female friends, your friends and their girlfriends. This is your sample.

Has it occurred to you that similar people tend to become friends? You are more likely to be friends with people who share similar values with you rather than someone who holds a completely different view on everything. If you were to try to collect views on a certain issue among your friends or people you generally hang out with, it is more likely than not that you will find their views similar to yours. That is not very representative of a more general population. If your claim were, "most women I know of this certain age group living in this so and so area doesn't like porn", then your claim might stand. But as is, no.

2. 50 women, compared to the whole women population, let's say, in North America, is very insignificant. It is like saying because 50 people like to kick dogs as a hobby that doesn't mean the majority of the human population like to kick dogs as a hobby.

Point: Your sample of data doesn't support your claim about what "most" women think about porn. So this is just a claim that doesn't stand. And I really wish you will stop making claims about what most people think about everything. It is a dangerous claim.

[Ketchup345]

On 2004-07-12 17:09, DarthFomar wrote:
Protestors are just a minor representation of a group of people. Not everyone has the time nor the ability to protest, so in turn they are just a small image of a big ideal.

Protestors are suppose to represent an ideal......when enough people protest, it can change things. But, not everyone with the same views will protest, it's just not naturally possible *they will either be at work, visiting relatives, shopping, injured, sick, etc, etc*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Lol, I'm sorry......what you just said was so irrational. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif
All you ever hear about is the anti-porn protestors because they are the louder, more outspoken ones. There is no way to tell what group is bigger when one group protests and the other doesn't.




I'm willing to bet that 6 out of 10 women do not like pornography.

Every close personal female I've known hasn't liked it and I've even asked my friends if they've had any close female friends that liked it.

Do you know what the answer was.......a big fat "NO".

Out of around 50 women total......none of them like pornography. Are you catching on here. Get a girlfriend, then down the road....ask her. She will, more than likely, say she "doesn't agree with it".

I'm sorry but when did the majority of women become porn hungry animals??? Men are the only ones that are prone to pornography.

There "are" more women that don't like pornography than the ones that do. Maybe in a few hundred years women will become obsessed with it like men, but I seriously doubt it. It's not that bad yet, there are still millions of fairly decent women in the world.

God, can't you respect the fact that "most" women don't like pornography? And for that matter, can't you respect the fact that they "don't like it in the first place"?

You know, you can look at porn however you like it. But, there are so many women out there that just do not like it. You can either open your eyes to this fact or you can live in your delusions and fantasies all your life.....I frankly don't give a damn.

I'm tired of this shit, I hate arguing past the prime. I am not posting anymore.....I think I've made my points valid enough. This is old and tiring, am I right?!


What age group and area are we talking about here? Because as was pointed out, younger people have much different opinions.

"Men are the only ones prone to pornography"? I don't think so. There are women addicted to it.

Can you prove this? Until you can, you are only going off of guesses from only your experiances. Many people may have a different experiance.

There are many women who don't like it, but there are some who are unaffected, some who like it, and some who are obsessed with it.



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[Scrub]

I asked my girlfriend if she thinks Porn is degrading to women or not, and I wasn't going to post what she said, but she's making me.-_-; She says Porn is not degrading to her, and that she thinks some of it's pretty nifty. Go figure.

[darthsaber9x9]

if women dont like porn then why is there so much lesbian porn?

or is that just what i want to find...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Solstis]

On 2004-07-12 18:58, darthsaber9x9 wrote:
if women dont like porn then why is there so much lesbian porn?

or is that just what i want to find...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif



Lesbian porn is often akin to Yaoi.

'nuff said.

And navi, very good points. Darth's sampling technique lead to bias in his results. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Or something like that.

(Statistics, who knew?)

[Ness]

On 2004-07-12 17:09, DarthFomar wrote:
Oh my god........do you think before all the Civil Rights Acts were passed that the sole protestors were the only ones that thought everyone deserved their "Civil Rights"????????


No, I said they only represented themselves. There may be people that share the same views the proesters do, but that doesn't mean they represent them. For example, I'm against the War on Terrorism, but if a protester asked me if I wantedhim to represent him, I would say no. I don't want some raving protester yelling, screaming, and making people with my view look bad.

Also there is a difference between the kind of protesting Martin Luther King did and the kind of protesting they do now.



Protestors are just a minor representation of a group of people. Not everyone has the time nor the ability to protest, so in turn they are just a small image of a big ideal.

Sometimes they are. Most of the time they are more extreme in their views than the people the claim to represent.


Protestors are suppose to represent an ideal......when enough people protest, it can change things. But, not everyone with the same views will protest, it's just not naturally possible *they will either be at work, visiting relatives, shopping, injured, sick, etc, etc*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

See above.


Lol, I'm sorry......what you just said was so irrational. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I'm going to hold my tongue on this one.



I'm willing to bet that 6 out of 10 women do not like pornography.

Every close personal female I've known hasn't liked it and I've even asked my friends if they've had any close female friends that liked it.

Do you know what the answer was.......a big fat "NO".

Out of around 50 women total......none of them like pornography. Are you catching on here. Get a girlfriend, then down the road....ask her. She will, more than likely, say she "doesn't agree with it".

I'm sorry but when did the majority of women become porn hungry animals??? Men are the only ones that are prone to pornography.

There "are" more women that don't like pornography than the ones that do. Maybe in a few hundred years women will become obsessed with it like men, but I seriously doubt it. It's not that bad yet, there are still millions of fairly decent women in the world.

God, can't you respect the fact that "most" women don't like pornography? And for that matter, can't you respect the fact that they "don't like it in the first place"?

You know, you can look at porn however you like it. But, there are so many women out there that just do not like it. You can either open your eyes to this fact or you can live in your delusions and fantasies all your life.....I frankly don't give a damn.

I'm tired of this shit, I hate arguing past the prime. I am not posting anymore.....I think I've made my points valid enough. This is old and tiring, am I right?!



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So in other words you asking 50 people in the same area what they think about an issue is the equivalent of a valid survery? I'm sorry but your little survey was biased on several accounts. I'd go deeper, but Navi pretty much nailed it.

[DarthFomar]

One last time....do I need to make things a little more clear??? *I swear, mama this is the last time....promise* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



On 2004-07-12 17:38, navi wrote:
Has it occurred to you that similar people tend to become friends?

Yes, I am aware of that....but, as a matter of fact most of my friends aren't really like me at all. And their girlfriends are completely the opposite when it comes to personality, as well.



If your claim were, "most women I know of this certain age group living in this so and so area doesn't like porn", then your claim might stand. But as is, no.

I'm sorry, I just got home from work when I posted all that stuff. I really didn't have the energy to post every single detail. Also, all the women that've been asked were anywhere from 16-63 years old, that better?! If that makes any difference. Another thing, only 3 of them said "yes" the rest said "no", out of those 50 something women. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



And I really wish you will stop making claims about what most people think about everything. It is a dangerous claim.
What?!......I'm sorry, when did I ever cater to the needs of others. I never knew I was a slave of the good samaritans. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



On 2004-07-12 17:44, Ketchup345 wrote:
All you ever hear about is the anti-porn protestors because they are the louder, more outspoken ones. There is no way to tell what group is bigger when one group protests and the other doesn't.

I guess you have a point. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



What age group and area are we talking about here? Because as was pointed out, younger people have much different opinions.

Anywhere from 16-63 years of age. And as before....only 3 said "yes" {that they liked pornography}. *at least I think it was about three, could have been four* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


"Men are the only ones prone to pornography"? I don't think so. There are women addicted to it.

What I meant to say was "Men are more likely prone to pornography than women". Yeah, I kinda had to finish that last post in a hurry, seeing as I was being rushed. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



There are many women who don't like it, but there are some who are unaffected, some who like it, and some who are obsessed with it.

I suppose you have a point.

But, from everything I've ever experienced and from my so called "non-standability of a survery", it seems like there are a lot more women out there that "don't" like it. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



On 2004-07-12 18:58, darthsaber9x9 wrote:
if women dont like porn then why is there so much lesbian porn?

or is that just what i want to find...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Normal everyday women do not control what the Porn Industry dishes out. And, btw, guys are usually the ones that buy the lesbian porn. Go figure. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



On 2004-07-12 19:12, Solstis wrote:

And navi, very good points. Darth's sampling technique lead to bias in his results. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Or something like that.

Oh, so my experiences and surveys are biased now. I see, then I'm just a stupid little asshole bastard, right?!

God, how the hell can personal experiences be biased. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_evil.gif

Let me go in the next room for a sec.

*starts beating himself in the head for being such a biased piece of crap* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



On 2004-07-12 20:43, Ness wrote:
Also there is a difference between the kind of protesting Martin Luther King did and the kind of protesting they do now.
True....


I'm going to hold my tongue on this one.

Well, I was right wasn't I?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif *or do I get hit with a stick for it*



So in other words you asking 50 people in the same area what they think about an issue is the equivalent of a valid survery?

No, but it's a pretty big amount of "No's". And btw, in every economy there exists the same type of people. That is just natural. Killers, psychopaths, rapist, kind-hearted people, mean people, blah blah....you get my point.

So, in a sense, my survey had meaning. I don't care if it was back in Texas where I used to live. The results would have "undoubtedly" been the same. I could do a large publicly known survery.....but as mentioned before, I'd probably become a well known pervert for the rest of my life. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

So in other words, my survey was actually the best I could have possibly gotten from anything besides people on the net *which I wouldn't use in the first place*.


I'm sorry but your little survey was biased on several accounts. I'd go deeper, but Navi pretty much nailed it.

Once again, my survey was not biased. All of those women have different qualities, personalities, etc, etc. If it was biased, then I guess.......oh, I know. Let's do another survey.

The color of the chair I'm sitting in looks like jet black. We could do a survey on whether or not it's "jet black" or just "black". Then, when the results are in....you can all call the survey *and me* biased. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

What a crock!!!

*there, let me double check......make sure I made myself clearer*



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[Solstis]

Sampling bias! Sampling bias!

I wasn't insulting you, just your sampling techniques!

And everyone brought up great points in this now presumedly dead discussion.

[Ness]

On 2004-07-13 01:39, DarthFomar wrote:




Well, I was right wasn't I?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif *or do I get hit with a stick for it*


I was referring to when you called me stupid or something like that. See my thread in rants for more details.


No, but it's a pretty big amount of "No's". And btw, in every economy there exists the same type of people. That is just natural. Killers, psychopaths, rapist, kind-hearted people, mean people, blah blah....you get my point.

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the values of the people.


So, in a sense, my survey had meaning. I don't care if it was back in Texas where I used to live. The results would have "undoubtedly" been the same. I could do a large publicly known survery.....but as mentioned before, I'd probably become a well known pervert for the rest of my life. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

So in other words, my survey was actually the best I could have possibly gotten from anything besides people on the net *which I wouldn't use in the first place*.

See below.


Once again, my survey was not biased. All of those women have different qualities, personalities, etc, etc. If it was biased, then I guess.......oh, I know. Let's do another survey.

The color of the chair I'm sitting in looks like jet black. We could do a survey on whether or not it's "jet black" or just "black". Then, when the results are in....you can all call the survey *and me* biased. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

What a crock!!!

*there, let me double check......make sure I made myself clearer*

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You are thinking of a different type of biased than we are. We are talking about biased from a statistics standpoint.

Okay, you did a non-random sample survey of 50 women all in your general vacinity. That alone makes your survey biased. Here's why:

1. It was only 50 women. I don't care how random you sample is or if these women came from all over the US, 50 is not enough to represent all women in the US. If you had said 5000, your survey would have more validity.

2. They were all in the same area. People in the same area tend to have the values. So just because most of the women in your area said they hated porn doesn't mean that most of the women everywhere do.

3. Your sample wasn't random. You did not use a computer to randomly select names or put the names of all the women in your area into a hat and draw 50 names from it. You asked women that you knew and that your friends knew. Non random samples are always biased.

[astuarlen]

Statistical bias: The tendency of a certain sampling or experimental technique to consistently report a value for the measured statistic that differs from the true population parameter.

Darth, your survey was indeed extremely biased. I'd say you've definitely got some sampling bias in there, but also probably some measuring bias. Measuring bias would be the bias introduced into a survey or experiment by somehow faulty measuring "tools"--in other words, the question. Now, you may wonder how a simple "yes or no" question could influence the respondants' answers. Since I assume this was a casual face-to-face survey, your wording, inflection, and any "audience" you may have had could have pushed the subject to answer either in the affirmative or negative. For example, if you asked Amy in front of her boyfriend who she knew dislikes porn, she may have told you she dislikes it, too, even if she feels indifferent or enjoys it. Or perhaps you were subtly communicating the response you wanted to hear through your body language, tone of voice, etc.
Solstis and navi have already mentioned sampling bias, but I'll just explain it a little more to you. If you wanted to construct a decent survey of, let's say, just people in your town (which, by the way, would be hugely biased itself when it comes to determining the true population proportion of women who like or dislike porn) you would first need a list of everyone who lives there. Then, you assign everyone a unique number, whip out a (practically) random number generator, and use it to choose maybe 100 people (which may or may not actually be large enough). You must ask each and every person on this list of 100 what they think of porn, using the same exact question in as neutral a manner as possible. If they don't all respond, you are now the lucky recipient of nonresponse bias.
But your little survey doesn't even come close to meeting the lowest standards of polling. As much as you protest that your "friends aren't like you", they all may have certain things in common that you may or may not know about. And these confounding factors do influence their responses. So, basically, you neglect one of the fundamental principles of sound survey technique: randomness. Just by asking only your friends and acquaintances, you completely nullify the validity and usefulness of your survey. The only conclusion you might get away with drawing is that most of your female friends appear to dislike porn. But you can't even say this, because of the whole measuring bias thing. So, ah, don't even bother arguing this point.

Edit: Damn you, Ness! Slipped in there and stole most of my fire. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Oh well, I still have my measuring bias.

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[navci]

*applauds*

One more thing, though:



Oh, so my experiences and surveys are biased now. I see, then I'm just a stupid little asshole bastard, right?!

God, how the hell can personal experiences be biased.


This is why it is personal experience. Personal is biased. Because it is yours. Personal experience might just be the most biased thing both statistically and generally speaking.

I am not attacking you, just your concept of what is a biased survey. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Well, maybe also what is biased and what is not. It isn't the matter that you made a biased survey or not. It is when you draw conclusions and use them as facts based on a biased survey that becomes a problem.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: navi on 2004-07-13 09:42 ]</font>

[Scejntjynahl]

*sigh*

Ok, here is the thing about women in video games. They are created for a typical market. And common sense is not applied. There are a few exceptions of course.

What do I mean about common sense? First off, the reality of physics are not applied. Im sorry, but there is no way a triple F cup woman will be a good fighter... and to mention the lack of armor is insane... Something I have noticed even in pso. Hunewearls have next to nothing armor, and a wise warrior also knows a good defense is essential in any combat. You dont see many shirtless Humars do you now? Not likely, they are covered head to toe, like a good warrior should. Of course the Ramarls are the only exception... Even in Resident Evil 3, what girl in their right mind is going to face hordes of zombies in mini skirts or shorts?

Look to real life for examples. Gymnasts are extremely slim, some down right "flat chested" and why... because of balance. So when I see a huge boobed game girl doing insane flips and what not (Tomb Raider anyone) it makes me laugh... (not to mention that hair would get in the way)

And now for the exceptions. Samus Aran, armored to the teeth, and yet a woman KUDOS. Even Jill has the right idea, thick heavy pants (RE series), and yet is quite feminime. Hucaseals, Racaseals, Ramarls, and any other female pso that actually has enough armor or clothing... Even the very riske looking Ivy from Soul Caliber at least has heavy armor, and her weapon does make it quite difficult to get close to her anyways... (and at least their are some semi shirtless guys in it, so it is more balanced)

The bad, most DOA girls... shees talk about defying gravity, they must be WonderWoman (yet I doubt even she has the huge proportions and she is an Amazon) Most games that have girls in skimpy clothing while fighting http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif Or have some cheesy move that is cute but useless, like Streets of Rage using her butt as a weapon ookkkaaaayyyy... And Im getting tired of the stereotype that if your using a female character it automatically means less power and more speed.

Screw that! My Hucaseal is both fast and powerful >:

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-13 08:39, Ness wrote:


On 2004-07-13 01:39, DarthFomar wrote:




Well, I was right wasn't I?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif *or do I get hit with a stick for it*


I was referring to when you called me stupid or something like that. See my thread in rants for more details.

Whoa, irrational doesn't mean stupid.....where the hell did you come up with that?!

You're reading to deep and you're misinterpreting my posts, obviously!!!

No, but it's a pretty big amount of "No's". And btw, in every economy there exists the same type of people. That is just natural. Killers, psychopaths, rapist, kind-hearted people, mean people, blah blah....you get my point.

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the values of the people.

Which have obviously gone stale over the years?!

So, in a sense, my survey had meaning. I don't care if it was back in Texas where I used to live. The results would have "undoubtedly" been the same. I could do a large publicly known survery.....but as mentioned before, I'd probably become a well known pervert for the rest of my life. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

So in other words, my survey was actually the best I could have possibly gotten from anything besides people on the net *which I wouldn't use in the first place*.

See below.


Once again, my survey was not biased. All of those women have different qualities, personalities, etc, etc. If it was biased, then I guess.......oh, I know. Let's do another survey.

The color of the chair I'm sitting in looks like jet black. We could do a survey on whether or not it's "jet black" or just "black". Then, when the results are in....you can all call the survey *and me* biased. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

What a crock!!!

*there, let me double check......make sure I made myself clearer*
[/quote]

You are thinking of a different type of biased than we are. We are talking about biased from a statistics standpoint.

Okay, you did a non-random sample survey of 50 women all in your general vacinity. That alone makes your survey biased. Here's why:

1. It was only 50 women. I don't care how random you sample is or if these women came from all over the US, 50 is not enough to represent all women in the US. If you had said 5000, your survey would have more validity.
[/quote]
Let me ask you, how in the hell am I going to ask 5,000 women that question?! It would take months to do a survey like that. Look at it this way....in 4 days, about 50 women were asked the same question. Only three of them said yes, that they liked pornography. In that short amount of time, even though the results could greatly change with future development.....that still says something, at least.


2. They were all in the same area. People in the same area tend to have the same values. So just because most of the women in your area said they hated porn doesn't mean that most of the women everywhere do.

I'm sorry, but where in the hell do you people get this "similar people tend to flock together" crap.

Every town and city has the same types of people. Good people don't just live in Pleasantville and bad people don't just live in Detroit. I don't see how poeple can possibly reason with that logic. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

That's like saying every cow looks the same in a certain area. Cuz they don't...they different patterns, bruises, scars, and moods.


3. Your sample wasn't random. You did not use a computer to randomly select names or put the names of all the women in your area into a hat and draw 50 names from it. You asked women that you knew and that your friends knew. Non random samples are always biased.


Ok then, go ahead.....give me 50 names of women who I've never spoken to and never laid eyes on before now. Those women that were asked weren't all the same you know, they have a lot of differences and values from one another. But, it's funny just about all of them said they disliked pornography. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



On 2004-07-13 09:04, astuarlen wrote:
Just by asking only your friends and acquaintances.


Do you even realize what an acquaintance is....?!

2. acquaintance, acquaintanceship -- (a relationship less intimate than friendship)
Usually these types of people are people you have classes with, and talk to on a very small occassion. And sometimes they are people that you work with....and don't really talk to as much.

There were a lot of acquaintances in the survey. There were a lot of friends. But, the acquaintances probably give more credit to the survey seeing as they aren't close friends or friends period.

I could understand the whole "well, friends kinda don't count" thing. But, you really don't know your friends as well as you think you do. You may think that you "do", but you really don't and probably won't know everything there is to know.

And what's not to say that in every other survey friends don't go and participate. I suppose their responses would be biased, even if only a little then, right?!

My point is, those women from the survey have different views and values. If they all had the same look on life, then God forbid.....kill me now. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



On 2004-07-13 09:41, navi wrote:
*applauds*

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Ahhh, you gonna give everyone a pat on the back?!

*gets stabbed by navi*

*applauds*

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


One more thing, though:



Oh, so my experiences and surveys are biased now. I see, then I'm just a stupid little asshole bastard, right?!

God, how the hell can personal experiences be biased.


This is why it is personal experience. Personal is biased. Because it is yours. Personal experience might just be the most biased thing both statistically and generally speaking.

You know what.......I don't really care what my life turns out to be.....but don't ever call it unfairly-influential, or predetermined again. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/eviltongue.gif

And it's not all personal experiences either. I know nothing about my friends girlfriends, nor their friends for that matter. The only real links I had between anyone my friends asked was that....I was their friend. Do you get it now?!

I wish I had a dictionary for a head so I could think of better ways to express myself. *starts the surgery* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


I am not attacking you, just your concept of what is a biased survey. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Well, maybe also what is biased and what is not. It isn't the matter that you made a biased survey or not. It is when you draw conclusions and use them as facts based on a biased survey that becomes a problem.

The only problem is that it isn't a bigger survey.

And, "use them as facts". What else would they be.......opinions?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

It's a fact that all but a few of those women said they disliked pornography. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

I understand the results could different city by city. But, what do you think would ultimately be the outcome?! It could be that there are thousands more women that dislike pornography than the ones that do. There could be an almost equal amount of women that like and dislike it. There could be thousands more women that like it than dislike it.

The old morals still exist. The new *more unique, and dreadful* morals increase with each new generation. Eventually, *just about* everyone will like some type of pornography. *oddly enough, did you know that there are a lot of guys that don't like pornography* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

And, here's some food for thought.

In Psychology class, you learn that: "men" are naturally turned on visually, and "women" are naturally turned on physically. I just thought I should share that with all of you. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

And yes, I realize that there are a lot of exceptions to that fact, but that's why the word "naturally" exists. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Anyway, I think I'm in a better mood now. I'm not sick anymore, and today is my day off. Woohoo!!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

[darthsaber9x9]

to be honest darth( and noone be stupid and say im addressing myself here) the isuue isnt wether it was practical for you to conduct a better survey, the issue is wether you did or didn't.

[Ness]

On 2004-07-13 16:39, DarthFomar wrote:
Something that further contributed to this endless cycle of "this is or isn't biased."



Look this is going no where. We continue to provide you factual evidence aobut why your survey didn't provide reliable results and you keep going on aobut how your survey is still reliable even though it has been proven otherwise (by 5 people).

So how about we just drop this whole issue and let this thread die? This isn't doing anything but raising our post counts.

[Scrub]

On 2004-07-13 11:51, Furankunichan wrote:

And Im getting tired of the stereotype that if your using a female character it automatically means less power and more speed.

Screw that! My Hucaseal is both fast and powerful >:



You're right. That stereotype also angers me.-_- I like to be guys, and I like to be the fastest character, and in most games, it doesn't let me do both at the same time.

Besides, we all know Men are BOTH Faster AND Stronger then women, anyways.

[navci]

On 2004-07-13 17:00, Scrub wrote:
Besides, we all know Men are BOTH Faster AND Stronger then women, anyways.


That really depends on what kinda man and woman you are comparing. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

edit: And I am with ness on this one. Unless you are really setting on reaching the 10.000 goal before his Abdurness. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

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[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-13 16:54, Ness wrote:


On 2004-07-13 16:39, DarthFomar wrote:
Something that further contributed to this endless cycle of "this is or isn't biased."



Look this is going no where. We continue to provide you factual evidence aobut why your survey didn't provide reliable results and you keep going on aobut how your survey is still reliable even though it has been proven otherwise (by 5 people).

So how about we just drop this whole issue and let this thread die? This isn't doing anything but raising our post counts.




Do you like being a smart-alic?!

By the way, the survey isn't done yet. And, do you think I care what other people are saying or doing in this discussion?! I firmly believe in the results thus far. And even when it's over it is still valid, at least to the location I'm living in. And as I've said before, the same people that exist in one town exist in the next, though the number of that type of person may be heavier or lighter....there would still be enough sufficient responses. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

If I knew a good way to do a nation wide survey, trust me, I would. Because there's no way in gods green earth that the number of women that like porn outnumber the ones that don't. It's just unethically impossible. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

That would be like eagles outnumbering pigeons. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



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[Ness]

On 2004-07-13 17:29, DarthFomar wrote:
Do you like being a smart-alic?!




No I'm just being candid. You keep restating your claims and we keep refuting them and providing factual evidence our own. This is going no where. It's over. It's just going to keep on going until we are all bitter enemies and flame each other into oblivion.

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-13 17:38, Ness wrote:


On 2004-07-13 17:29, DarthFomar wrote:
Do you like being a smart-alic?!




No I'm just being candid. You keep restating your claims and we keep refuting them and providing factual evidence our own.



Factual......?! And what proof do you people have that anything is anything?!

Either way, have you noticed that all people do here anymore is argue, bitch and moan, whine and complain, and smart-off, and just naturally turn people into what they've become. *ahem, myself included*

Maybe this is normal, maybe not......whatever it is, I have to get away from it for a while, otherwise I may temporarily go insane with "hypocrititus". http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Yeah, that disease seems to be going around lately. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

People believe in stuff, but yet don't seem to practice their beliefs.......how strange. Hope I don't catch it. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Dhylec]

ok, it's originally about women in anime & game - 'virtual women' as in fantasy.. yah?
then turned to a big debate on [real life] women & porn

man, talking about went off topic in an OT.. =D

it's a good discussion, but at the way we are going, we ain't heading anywhere..
so let this rest & continue w/ our lives, shall we?