LEARN. TO. TYPE.

[Nai_Calus]

Ok, bastiches, Uncle Ian is getting annoyed with some of you. Now he's not going to name names, but some of you TYPE LIKE FUCKING MORONS.

Example!

omg ppl suck. u just need 2 kick em n the ballz n thy keel ovr.

WHAT THE FUCK, DON'T TYPE LIKE THAT! MOTHER OF FUCK!

OMG, People suck. You just need to kick them in the balls and they keel over.

TYPE LIKE THAT! DAMN IT!

I don't want to hear bullshit excuses like 'But it's faster!'. No! It isn't! It takes approximately one extra second over the course of a 500 word post to NOT TYPE LIKE A FUCKING IDIOT!

But this isn't school! We don't have to type correctly!

YES YOU MOTHERFUCKING DO! Typing like an idiot implies to people that YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Look at some of the more respected forum members. Do you notice something they all have in common, besides tons of knowledge about PSO? THEY ALL KNOW HOW TO FUCKING TYPE.

Capitalize the first word of a sentence! Attempt to spell! Do not abbreviate fucking four letter words! Typing u and ur instead of you and your does not save any signifigant amount of time, and it MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A DUMBASS! Punctuate! Break stuff into paragraphs!

If you learn how to type properly, even if you ARE a complete dumbass, you can at least be a dumbass that gets respect for KNOWING HOW TO MOTHERFUCKING TYPE.

This has been a public service announcement from your friendly neighbourhood Ian.

[Myopathy]

I can type http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Yay, I am exempt.

Take that bitches http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Link00seven]

Whats funny, is that its acually easier to type right...lol

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-07-12 18:18, Linkooseven wrote:
Whats funny, is that its acually easier to type right...lol



...But from this post, you'd never know! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Solstis]

*whips out a piece of paper and points*

My poetic license allows me to make any grammatical mistakes I wish!

But on topic, a few members do make themselves look like idiots, and on a regular basis.

See, even I can be respected with the correct grammar!

yah! tahts raht!

[darthsaber9x9]

unfortunately i sometimes type "u" subconcsiously http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif and come on does capitalisation really matter? i cant be bothered to hit the shift key or caps lock( if i miss shift http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif). it doesn't save much time but it sure as hell feels like it

[RFB]

1)Ian, you own. Keep it up, and you will be one of my private dark gods.

2)I can't understand that people... I am Spanish, and even I can write decently right.

3)If you guys want to see a place filled with that kind of writing... join the PSOW IRC channel, and wait for a total n00b to join. Warning: you may suffer.

[Solstis]

On 2004-07-12 19:02, darthsaber9x9 wrote:
unfortunately i sometimes type "u" subconcsiously http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif and come on does capitalisation really matter? i cant be bothered to hit the shift key or caps lock( if i miss shift http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif). it doesn't save much time but it sure as hell feels like it



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

You shall be condemned to the Lion's Pit!

I mean, really. It hurt me to read that. Any valid points that could have been brought up were nullified by crapitalization.

[SpikeOtacon]

I'm a spelling and grammar obsessive. I can't type like that, it'd drive me absolutly insane that I did, and I'd force myself to edit it.(Unless I was mocking someone) And people who type like that constantly get on my nerves. If it's the occasional 'LOL' or 'OMG' it's ok, but it does get tiresome.

[Sayara]

Yay. Someone complains about the bad spelling too.

I usually complain and go "I dont understand" until they actually say what they were saying correctly now.

I hate it when people get lazy like that.

[Aredhel]

Truly, I tend to pay more attention and actually consider somebody's post if it is not only well-written, but well punctuated. There's nothing quite more annoying than reading some trash somebody managed to crap out of their keyboard at the speed of light only to forget all commas, periods and even paragraphs in the obvious confusion. Whether you like it or not, a person's aptitude of their own language (or atleast the language at hand) almost defines rhetoric, or atleast refines their impression upon the reader.

Mind you, I'm not claiming to be the paragon of the English language, but at least I can clearly express what's on my mind as opposed to:

(forgive the i.e.)

"omfg the otherday my girlfriend dumped me but Ifound a new one because she liked me and we used to play in the sandbox togeathe ras kidsa nd i remember sombody told me this r0xers on the internet because i lik 2 ply pso with my girlfriend and i lovehe r and we will get married with a pso themed wedding and it wil b gr8."

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/love.gif

that's just beautiful

Most of the time, I blame all these different keyboards I have to type on. Some are old with coffee stains on them so I sometimes leave out letters completely. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

(When is my new computer getting here??? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif )

[DruidMettool]

The grammar and spelling on PSOW is relatively good compared to what I get on AIM. You should be thankful that MOST of us can type so well.



Session Start (AIM - DruidMettool:*): Sun Jul 11 23:29:39 2004
*: wat up dan nut
DruidMettool: Hello, have we met?
*: merediths b/f
DruidMettool: Oh, Josh. Am I correct?
*: im da crazzy boi yes u r
DruidMettool: Well, it's good to see you
*: ya how u been
DruidMettool: I've been ok. You?
*: good i just got off house arrest
DruidMettool: Yeah, I heard about that.
*: ya it sux
DruidMettool: How long were you on it for?
*: a month
DruidMettool: Mustve been horribly boring
*: fuck ya
DruidMettool: We often talked about you at school. We always said good things, though
*: ya i heard others didnt though
DruidMettool: Really? Who?
Session Close (*): Sun Jul 11 23:39:03 2004


Compare PSOW to -THAT-

[Ness]

This thread has been done so many times (twice by me), but I have to agree. Even though typing perfect is not necessary, people should try to use actual words, punctuation, and paragraph breaks in their posts.

[_Ted_]

I hate it when people do that short-hand typing. But sometimes it is necessary, such is the case with tiny PSO chat spaces.

Ian, did you kill Kodia and steal one of his rants?

[InfernoNR7]

I believe that I type correctly. Occasionally I may have a gigantic, run-on, sentence. This is simply because I am not too great at editing run-ons.

I agree with your post wholeheartedly.

I also space in strange ways occationally, just to put emphasis on different things.

Great post, well said.

[Outrider]

I think I'm gonna stay out of this topic as with my luck, I'm going to ironically post my worst set of typos ever.

[Esoteric]

On 2004-07-12 18:11, Ian-KunX wrote:
Ok, bastiches, Uncle Ian is getting annoyed with some of you. Now he's not going to name names, but some of you TYPE LIKE FUCKING MORONS.

Example!

omg ppl suck. u just need 2 kick em n the ballz n thy keel ovr.

WHAT THE FUCK, DON'T TYPE LIKE THAT! MOTHER OF FUCK!

OMG, People suck. You just need to kick them in the balls and they keel over.

TYPE LIKE THAT! DAMN IT!

I don't want to hear bullshit excuses like 'But it's faster!'. No! It isn't! It takes approximately one extra second over the course of a 500 word post to NOT TYPE LIKE A FUCKING IDIOT!

But this isn't school! We don't have to type correctly!

YES YOU MOTHERFUCKING DO! Typing like an idiot implies to people that YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Look at some of the more respected forum members. Do you notice something they all have in common, besides tons of knowledge about PSO? THEY ALL KNOW HOW TO FUCKING TYPE.

Capitalize the first word of a sentence! Attempt to spell! Do not abbreviate fucking four letter words! Typing u and ur instead of you and your does not save any signifigant amount of time, and it MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A DUMBASS! Punctuate! Break stuff into paragraphs!

If you learn how to type properly, even if you ARE a complete dumbass, you can at least be a dumbass that gets respect for KNOWING HOW TO MOTHERFUCKING TYPE.

This has been a public service announcement from your friendly neighbourhood Ian.



Not trying to be rude I just find it ironic that you made errors. Why did you capitalize 'People'? Plus it is significant. I guess nobody is perfect though. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[opaopajr]

w3 70v3 u ian-kunx. <<<hearts 4evurrrr>>>

wuv u! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-12 18:34, Solstis wrote:
But on topic, a few members do make themselves look like idiots, and on a regular basis.


Oh, that's just rude. I'm sure you've had a lot of typos......some you've probably gone back and corrected later. So, in that sense, you're calling yourself an idiot, right?!



On a side note:

Jesus, if people are so uptight as to were you can't even mispell words......something is definitely fucked up with our society. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Wutta fook haz dou wald came 2?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[KodiaX987]

On 2004-07-13 03:26, DarthFomar wrote:

Oh, that's just rude. I'm sure you've had a lot of typos......some you've probably gone back and corrected later. So, in that sense, you're calling yourself an idiot, right?!


Wake up, grab a coffee and go buy youself a fucking bag of common sense. I'm sure even a 6 year old can make the difference between hitting the wrong key and typing in the most abbreviated manner possible. So let's see, if I make a ty[o (there you go!) you supposedly have the legal right to prosecute me now?! So I'm an idiot because instead of a P, I typed a bracket by mistake?

wut if i type liek this??!??!???!?!?! Now THAT'S more like idiot typing as I know it. Anybody can typo but only fuckheads of the lowest level can actually spell like this.

Word to the n00bs: you're not sending a fucking telegram, you're writing a POST. You have A MILLION FUCKING YEARS to double-check it and then click the submit button. Same goes for chatting. I won't care if you answer slowly. As long as you make yourself understood and that you use spelling, grammar and punctuation like the way God intended, you will have absolutely no problem. If that doesn't suit you, you're on the right track for a fucking insta-kickban.

[Armok]

Read this:

In a Survay dnoe by Ofxord it was Dicsoevred taht all poelpe need to raed and udnresatnd a wrod is the frist and lsat letetr in the rgiht palce

Why does this spelling make you so mad. Do you have a complusive correct spelling disorder. If I wanna spell with short hand or using l337 I'll do it and you will read it and be happy. An if you aint happy go off and ask a mod to warn me for doing it cos you have no power over me and your complaining will not change the way I type ok.

Oh and before you all start some people could complain about excessive use of the F word also.

[Solstis]

On 2004-07-13 03:26, DarthFomar wrote:


On 2004-07-12 18:34, Solstis wrote:
But on topic, a few members do make themselves look like idiots, and on a regular basis.


Oh, that's just rude. I'm sure you've had a lot of typos......some you've probably gone back and corrected later. So, in that sense, you're calling yourself an idiot, right?!



On a side note:

Jesus, if people are so uptight as to were you can't even mispell words......something is definitely fucked up with our society. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Wutta fook haz dou wald came 2?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



I never said I didn't http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Superguppie]

On 2004-07-12 19:11, Tingle wrote:
Yay. Someone complains about the bad spelling too.

I usually complain and go "I dont understand" until they actually say what they were saying correctly now.

I hate it when people get lazy like that.


Hmmmm, I think I'll try that. Anytime someone deliberately rapes his language I'll go "huh?". I just hope I can keep it up...

[KodiaX987]

On 2004-07-13 07:23, Armok wrote:

If I wanna spell with short hand or using l337 I'll do it and you will read it and be happy.


It's your way of thinking that makes America move forward. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[HUnewearl_Meira]

I have a quote from a forum member at ABS that may fit this rant--


JugglingWolves,May 12 2004, 11:21 AM
Smoking crack is not a lifestyle for everyone, however.
It can sometimes lead to the non-use of paragraphs and highly irritate more literate board members.
If you value your intellect, I would suggest tweak as a more suitable alternative.



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[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-07-13 08:28, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 07:23, Armok wrote:

If I wanna spell with short hand or using l337 I'll do it and you will read it and be happy.


It's your way of thinking that makes America move forward. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif



He's British, though. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Which just proves that it's universal. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[HUnewearl_Meira]

On 2004-07-13 07:23, Armok wrote:
If I wanna spell with short hand or using l337 I'll do it and you will read it and be happy.

Of course, you could also continue to spell with shorthand, and continue to look like a retard. Literate people don't want to be subjected to decoding something because you are under the impression that it will make you type faster or look "more kewler."

Simply put, if you type like you don't know how to spell the word "you," then people will assume that you are incapable of such, and treat you accordingly.

[Ness]

I have no problem with epople who make typos; I do it all the time. What upsets me are those that use that shorthand stuff like "ppl," and "ur."

another thing that annoys me is when......people type like this.....they seem to think that doing this..... is the equivatlent to a proper sentence....

[Aredhel]

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/gallery/silly/bobsqu.jpg

quote this post and I will murder you http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Scejntjynahl]

On 2004-07-12 18:11, Ian-KunX wrote:

OMG, People suck. You just need to kick them in the balls and they keel over.


Following your request, should not "OMG" be spelled out completely as: "Oh my God"?

Also your title is misleading, what does the ability of typing have to do with use of grammar? Should it not the title be about "spelling" instead of typing? Also "People" should be in lower case, for it is not beginning a sentence nor is it a proper noun nor title.

Honestly I do understand your frustration. It is quite difficult to follow a coherent thought in someone's thread when it is saturated with shortcuts and numerical representations of existing words. But it is also quite foolish to expect everyone to change for your personal needs. We are not gods nor tyrants... this is what is called to be tolerant. I doubt that any of the people here within Phantasy Star World will ultimately make any impact on your personal life.

It would be more simple just to accept the fact that some people will just not conform to any norm, in an attempt to be unique in a digital world they will continue with their "slang" ways of spelling and writing. Do not take it like a personal assault upon your intelligence and you should be able to read on with out any problems. I personally find it entertaining to see how creative people can become in finding shortcuts, for the longest time I had no idea what "lol" was... but now I do. You do have to admit, typing "lol" is quite faster than typing "laughing out loud".

[Armok]

On 2004-07-13 08:41, HUnewearl_Meira wrote:


On 2004-07-13 07:23, Armok wrote:
If I wanna spell with short hand or using l337 I'll do it and you will read it and be happy.

Of course, you could also continue to spell with shorthand, and continue to look like a retard. Literate people don't want to be subjected to decoding something because you are under the impression that it will make you type faster or look "more kewler."

Simply put, if you type like you don't know how to spell the word "you," then people will assume that you are incapable of such, and treat you accordingly.



Literate people pray tell, whom are these people of which thou speaks.

[Outrider]

On 2004-07-13 08:58, Ness wrote:
another thing that annoys me is when......people type like this.....they seem to think that doing this..... is the equivatlent to a proper sentence....



I'm guilty of abusing the ellipses. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

But it's not just in all of my internet message board posts or anything. I use them all the time in papers for school. Meh.

[Solstis]

On 2004-07-13 09:55, Outrider wrote:


On 2004-07-13 08:58, Ness wrote:
another thing that annoys me is when......people type like this.....they seem to think that doing this..... is the equivatlent to a proper sentence....



I'm guilty of abusing the ellipses. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

But it's not just in all of my internet message board posts or anything. I use them all the time in papers for school. Meh.



I abuse those everywhere... papers, fics... essays, etc.

Ellipses are your friends!

[Armok]

What I also like is when ppl use catch phases from chars in fiction. Thats always proper Bow.

[HUnewearl_Meira]

On 2004-07-13 09:49, Armok wrote:
Literate people pray tell, whom are these people of which thou speaks.

All right, first of all, you just addressed that comment to "Literal people." What you should've said was as such:

Pray thee tell, whom arest thine "literate people" of whom thou speaketh?


Second, they're people with a functional use of the written English language, which most of us are trying to speak on these English-language websites. When used properly, it is easy to read and often rather interesting; as opposed to the extremes of internet shorthand, which will inevitably slow the reader down and more directly, serve as a general indication that the writer has an overall cognitive deficiency.

But I digress-- if an individual wants the first thing someone discovers about them to be that they're incapable of spelling the word "be," then that's their own perogative.

[Armok]

Thats called avoiding the question which is why scientific minded people tend to just ignore literate people altogether as you tend to use these things to hide that fact you really don't know what your talking about.

[HUnewearl_Meira]

On 2004-07-13 10:39, Armok wrote:
Thats called avoiding the question which is why scientific minded people tend to just ignore literate people altogether as you tend to use these things to hide that fact you really don't know what your talking about.



Read it again. The post is structured, and answers the question, which I might add, was improperly punctuated to begin with. Remember also, that scientific-minded people tend to be literate. If you want to consider for a moment that I'm not a scientifically-minded individual myself, consider that I work in the field of Engineering.

[Evil_Althena8]

Oh god, HELL YES IAN! I've been complaining about that forever. I am one of the few people out of many of the people I talk to online that talks in complete sentences with real english words.

[HUnewearl_Meira]

I think I'm just going to post what I said to Furankunichan.



Here's specifically how I feel about shorthand.

Abbreviations such as "OMG" "OMFG", "LOL" "LMAO", "BRB" and so on, have some level of justification. Each one serves a purpose, and in some cases, they create something of a word that properly expresses something that would otherwise be rather awkward to type (most particularly, LOL, LMAO, and ROFL). In the case of "BRB," well, you may be getting up to drain your bladder or something else fairly urgent, and you probably won't be very patient. In the case of "OMFG" or "OMG", those present themselves with a different feel than "Oh my God!" or "Oh my fucking God!" They're well known, so most wouldn't go very long without figuring out what they mean, and by abbreviating them, they take on a new sense of enthusiasm for the phrase-- it takes less time to recognize, so it therefore seems to be said faster.

It can also be pointed out that these are shorthand for entire phrases, rather than individual words. "Be right back" is 13 keystrokes (and a shift, plus another keystroke if you want to add a period) compared to "brb" which is 3. "Laughing out-loud" is 17 keystrokes, compared to "lol" which is again, 3. They also fit much better in a chatroom's more limited space.

Now, on the other hand, if you believe that you have to abbreviate a 3 letter word, then there's something wrong. It makes you look like you're a retard, especially if it's pronounced the way it's spelled. Using individual letters to spell entire words puts a pause in the reader's head between the words. More literate individuals use these spellings to make jokes about stupid people.

Now I suppose that any given individual has a God-given right to be lazy and type like the room temperature is higher than their IQ, but if they value their self-esteem at all, it'd be in their interests to type in a manner that at least makes it look like they're making an attempt to be intelligent, most ESPECIALLY on a forum, where the messages are permanent and don't go away after ten to twenty lines worth of comments.

Typing things properly furthermore allows a great amount of elbow room for expressing yourself. If you take the time to create a proper response, then you can choose to emphasize things in a variety of manners, each of which have their own interpretation into normal speach. To make something bold brings more attention to it-- it makes it seem louder. To make something italic will emphasize it, and when spoken, that italicizing will be heard in the sentence, and may even be accompanied by a physical movement. To underline something is to otherwise call attention to it. By underlining, your eyes are drawn to that word or phrase, and it may be considered the most vitally important word or phrase of whatever has been written. This is articulation, and it greatly improves understanding and communication.

There are reasons why we have standards in communication. Very good reasons. There are reasons why dictionaries were created. Take, for example, my friend Jimmy, from back when I was in High School. He refered to 5-1/4" floppy disks as "floppy disks" and he refered to 3-1/2" floppy disks as "hard disks." Why? Because one, when initially observed, was clearly made of a plyable material, whereas the smaller of the two was a harder plastic that didn't bend so easily. When corrected, he claimed that he didn't care, as far as he was concerned, one was hard and one was floppy. He had no concept of an actual hard disk. I had to break open a 3-1/2" disk to show him why they refer to it as a floppy disk.

So if he continues to refer to a 3-1/2" floppy disk as a "hard disk", what is going to happen when he makes that mistake while talking to someone who knows what he's talking about? Because he believes that his way is correct, initially the other person will be confused because he's using the wrong word to refer to something, and when he figures it out, he's going to deem Jimmy to be an ignorant individual, and will therefore look down on him as such. That's more difficulty for the person being communicated with, and it results in branding the communicator with unintelligence. Nobody needs this.

Illiteracy is a general problem in this world, and we really don't need people using shorthand to encourage it. Dictionaries brought us a long way into being able to consistantly understand what's been written, and idiots using shorthand and tearing that progress down. I don't tolerate it in my friends, and I don't think anyone else should, either.

There. That's my thoughts on it.

Of course, the thing that really gets me, is that some users of internet shorthand are either using it to impress people (ie, using it to gain a higher social status), or they're just plain dumb. In particular, I'm refering to a case where I actually saw someone try to abbreviate the word "any" by spelling it, "n-e." I am not joking, here. How anyone can conceive of "n-e" being either shorter OR faster boggles my mind. It leads me to conclude that this particular individual is either just plain dumb, or that she actually believes that spelling this way will impress her friends. Like the person on the other end of the conversation is sitting there going, "Whoa! Oohhhh... Look at the way she spelled 'any'! That blows my mind!"

Either way, it doesn't say much of anything good about the individual in question. Though, if she was doing it for status, then at least it was deliberate, and it shows that she's capable of putting extra effort into her typing habits.

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[Scejntjynahl]

Ouch.

Remind me not to debate against you Meira, it would be a moot point.

[KodiaX987]

On 2004-07-13 10:39, Armok wrote:
Thats called avoiding the question which is why scientific minded people tend to just ignore literate people altogether as you tend to use these things to hide that fact you really don't know what your talking about.



This is ridiculous. Armok, you've demonstrated over and over again that you are able to reduce the average IQ of your entire city by 50 points. Just your outright refusal to use proper English on the Internet is incomprehensible... All that while you're currently writing using a very adequate form of English. So what are you trying to preach here?

[Ness]

On 2004-07-13 10:20, Solstis wrote:


On 2004-07-13 09:55, Outrider wrote:


On 2004-07-13 08:58, Ness wrote:
another thing that annoys me is when......people type like this.....they seem to think that doing this..... is the equivatlent to a proper sentence....



I'm guilty of abusing the ellipses. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

But it's not just in all of my internet message board posts or anything. I use them all the time in papers for school. Meh.



I abuse those everywhere... papers, fics... essays, etc.

Ellipses are your friends!



I'm not talking about just regular ellipses like my "......" post. I'm talking aobut the people who use elipses as a substitute for punctuation and capitalization.

[WraithVerge]

http://www.lowqualitycomics.com/comics/030725.gif


Do the world a favor. If any of you see someone typing like this, PLEASE point out the stupidity of it. If they react violently, do whatever means necessary to GET AWAY from them.

While I do make the occasional abbreviation of words, I will never type like that unless I'm joking with someone... "OMG WEH TEH UBAR SHYT LOL!L!O!!1!1"

That hurt my head to type that last part.

[Armok]

On 2004-07-13 11:25, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 10:39, Armok wrote:
Thats called avoiding the question which is why scientific minded people tend to just ignore literate people altogether as you tend to use these things to hide that fact you really don't know what your talking about.



This is ridiculous. Armok, you've demonstrated over and over again that you are able to reduce the average IQ of your entire city by 50 points. Just your outright refusal to use proper English on the Internet is incomprehensible... All that while you're currently writing using a very adequate form of English. So what are you trying to preach here?



You ppl are trying to claim that spelling and using short hand is a sign of stupidity. Now I am trying to defend the SIMPLE fact if you can read it then whats the problem. The fact I use short hand such as ppl and omg and wot is because I have become acustom to using these words while chatting on pso with the keyboard where a simple ppl takes a good few seconds less than people while also runnign around with a controller.

It is not because I am dumb *waves BSc in Chemistry from 4th best university in England*. Why oh why do you have a problem with these things I'm not replacing every letter with 34518 watever or doing it to impress anyone I'm just typing the words in a way I am used to. Smilies arent enlgish why arent you having a go at them its a fun posting forum not a english lesson stop preaching at ppl.

[SpikeOtacon]

On 2004-07-13 13:04, Armok wrote:


On 2004-07-13 11:25, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 10:39, Armok wrote:
Thats called avoiding the question which is why scientific minded people tend to just ignore literate people altogether as you tend to use these things to hide that fact you really don't know what your talking about.



This is ridiculous. Armok, you've demonstrated over and over again that you are able to reduce the average IQ of your entire city by 50 points. Just your outright refusal to use proper English on the Internet is incomprehensible... All that while you're currently writing using a very adequate form of English. So what are you trying to preach here?



You ppl are trying to claim that spelling and using short hand is a sign of stupidity. Now I am trying to defend the SIMPLE fact if you can read it then whats the problem. The fact I use short hand such as ppl and omg and wot is because I have become acustom to using these words while chatting on pso with the keyboard where a simple ppl takes a good few seconds less than people while also runnign around with a controller.

It is not because I am dumb *waves BSc in Chemistry from 4th best university in England*. Why oh why do you have a problem with these things I'm not replacing every letter with 34518 watever or doing it to impress anyone I'm just typing the words in a way I am used to. Smilies arent enlgish why arent you having a go at them its a fun posting forum not a english lesson stop preaching at ppl.



I disagree, I type 1.285 seconds faster when spelling words out completly than when I use any form of shorthand.

And i'd like to point something else out that Kodia earlier mentioned.
This is a web forum, not an AIM window or Game moment. You have TIME to type out each word. It's not a race to see if you can get the post done faster. YOU HAVE TIME TO TYPE OUT FULL FUCKING ENGLISH WORDS. The reason we dislike shorthand is because it shows that you are too lazy to actually type out the whole word, and you earlier brought up that study at the university. I've got news for you, and this may come as a shock.
People (ppl) doesn't end with an 'L'. It ends with an 'E'. Oh my god (omg) doesn't END with any of those letters, it begins with them. And Laugh out Loud (lol) Does not end with any of those, either.

It's a simple respect for the people who actually like to have thier english fully present no matter where.

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[Myopathy]

Note on PSO, that shorthand also allows you to type more into one message window.

[Nai_Calus]

This isn't PSO, though. This is a fucking PSO MESSAGE BOARD. As has been noted, you have time to type out your words.

And most people I played with on PSO, myself included, didn't resort to idiotic shorthand there, either. Oh no, it went over a single chat bubble. Gee, I guess I'll just USE ANOTHER.

[Ness]

I think you guys need to get off Armok's case. It is true that the usage of shorthand is annoying, but there are people here far worse than Armok. Him using "ppl" is much less annoying than some ofthe stuff ihave brought up. Also if he types normal when it comes to using other words, I don't see the big deal whith him using shorthand for one or two words.


Also, calling him "stupid" is no way to convert him to your side. See my rant for more details.

[Armok]

You cannot use anything Kodix says against me, he almost invented the word n00b. Also I know you have all the time in the world to correct your posts but you also have all the time in the world to walk your dog or wash the car, it doesnt mean you spend an extra 20 minutes each time to follow an exact routine.

What have you got against these words. They are word short hands devoloped by the internet generation. Its the evolution of Language (see books on this stuff) into the digital era.

Also on a point do you realise that 1337 takes ages to attually write in a form that ppl can understand. I'm always impressed with a decent sentence in it (not that stupid gfaq type rubbish).

[HUnewearl_Meira]

On 2004-07-13 13:04, Armok wrote:
You ppl are trying to claim that spelling and using short hand is a sign of stupidity.

Personally, I'm mildly annoyed when people use the abbreviation "ppl," but on the other hand, it's not so bad as most. The thing is though, when people use "u" "u r" "ne" "b" and so forth, to abbreviate two and three letter words, the immediate indication is that the person typing it is either too damn lazy to type a three letter word, or they're so damn stupid that they don't know how. I can see how you might be able to save yourself a little time by typing "ppl," as you're removing half the letters from a 6 letter word (albeit, even that is going to stretch some people's patience), especially since you'll be hitting the same key twice consecutively, but chosing a spelling that implies that you don't know how to spell "you" will never gain you any respect.

[KodiaX987]

On 2004-07-13 13:40, Armok wrote:
Also I know you have all the time in the world to correct your posts but you also have all the time in the world to walk your dog or wash the car, it doesnt mean you spend an extra 20 minutes each time to follow an exact routine.



You're confusing "using your time to make your stuff presentable" and "using your time for bonuses and going the extra mile". Find something else.

[Armok]

In a forum with a relaxed atmosphere I would rather use my internet 'accent' that I have picked up through hrs of online forum and game time. Its how I would email a friend or post recreationally. In a document of coarse I would use real grammer and punctuation. Much like in real life you use act and use words around friends completly different to though of an offical social engagement.

I come to these boards for a friendly debate/chat and relax. I do it in my own personal time and expect to be able to post in my relaxed non offical manner. If you write in standard english naturally on a keyboard then thats fine I however don't and as I have stated reasons above shouldnt have to change my posts to acomidate others.

[Bradicus]

Woo!
Thanks for giving the verbal beat-down, Ian. I don't have the right to insult the grammatical skills of others, because, i, can't, use, commas, correctly. >_>

Other than that, my only constant sin is not capitalising "i". Not quite sure why, but i fell it is balanced by my "OMG", "WTF", and "LOL" abstinence.
http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:V0ri0p4yqNsJ:www.mdnstudio.com/ndb/archives

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-13 14:04, Armok wrote:
In a forum with a relaxed atmosphere I would rather use my internet 'accent' that I have picked up through hrs of online forum and game time. Its how I would email a friend or post recreationally. In a document of coarse I would use real grammer and punctuation. Much like in real life you use act and use words around friends completly different to though of an offical social engagement.

I come to these boards for a friendly debate/chat and relax. I do it in my own personal time and expect to be able to post in my relaxed non offical manner. If you write in standard english naturally on a keyboard then thats fine I however don't and as I have stated reasons above shouldnt have to change my posts to acomidate others.


Very much agreed, Armok.

You can type however you like. Not even God can stop you from typing "1337" or abbreviating.

What is "really" annoying *and utterly, so stupid* is when people complain about how people are typing "incorrectly" or "moronically". If someone is that strict as to complain about "1337" talk and mispelled words on the net, I'd like to see what their real-life standards are?!

That's just being a little too uptight if you ask me. If you have a problem with someone's typing, then they more than likely have a problem with yours. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

Get over it and move on. Crying over spilled milk never solved anything, and it never will. Clean it up or walk away, that's all you can do. Anything else is just baggage.

By the way........*even Professional Writers use this technique..........this one........yeah, this one............*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Talk about irony.... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



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[KodiaX987]

On 2004-07-13 17:06, DarthFomar wrote:
If you have a problem with someone's typing, then they more than likely have a problem with yours. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif
Oh yeah? Tell me how a D-Minus student in spelling and grammar will be able to have a problem with the student who has near flawless language skills. I can't seem to even fathom such a thing.


By the way........*even Professional Writers use this technique..........this one........yeah, this one............*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

What the name of the book? In every single work of literature I have read in my entire life, I can't recall a single one containing the style you're talking about.

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-13 17:52, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 17:06, DarthFomar wrote:
If you have a problem with someone's typing, then they more than likely have a problem with yours. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif
Oh yeah? Tell me how a D-Minus student in spelling and grammar will be able to have a problem with the student who has near flawless language skills. I can't seem to even fathom such a thing.

Oh, trust me.......anyone with a low level education probably wouldn't care. But if they have an IQ above 100 they will, more than likely, have a problem with your typing if you have a problem with theirs. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Pretty much, if you have a problem with them, the feelings mutual. That's the way it's looked upon, at least.

It really all goes without saying. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



On 2004-07-13 17:52, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 17:06, DarthFomar wrote:
By the way........*even Professional Writers use this technique..........this one........yeah, this one............*. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

What the name of the book? In every single work of literature I have read in my entire life, I can't recall a single one containing the style you're talking about.


Well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but it's used all the time in novels and such.

I've read so many books that use that technique. Lots of the books you find at schools use it, as well. You just don't notice it, most of the time. It's called a pause. Duh, lol http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

*I'm not trying to be rude and hateful, but seriously it is a technique widely used by most writers*



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[KodiaX987]

On 2004-07-13 18:06, DarthFomar wrote:

But if they have an IQ above 100 they will, more than likely, have a problem with your typing if you have a problem with theirs. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Pretty much, if you have a problem with them, the feelings mutual. That's the way it's looked upon, at least.
I still don't see your logic in all this. Either the guy hates back for the sake of hating back, or the guy hates back because he genuinely has a legitimate problem with your writing. If you're meaning the latter, elaborate.



I've read so many books that use that technique. Lots of the books you find at schools use it, as well. You just don't notice it, most of the time. It's called a pause. Duh, lol http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


There's two ways to end a sentence. Either by a period, or by a "suspension period", which is your regular three dots. But a string of 'em? Like this?......... If you were talking about suspension periods, then I can understand, but if you're talking about big strings, mention a book, at least one.

[AUTO_]

Most of you people are too fucking critical.

Most of u ppl r 2 fucking critical.



See, you got my point either way.

If you have a problem with shorthanding words, it basically comes down to YOUR problem. But obviously there's a difference between shorthanding words and just jibberish.

If the point gets across, it shouldn't make a fucking difference--nobody's getting gold star stickers to plaster on their ego-filled heads for not shorthanding words.

I don't post on PSOW or any other internet place hoping to show off my grammatical skill to college professor spies wandering the internet.



Get over yourselves.

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-13 18:13, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 18:06, DarthFomar wrote:

But if they have an IQ above 100 they will, more than likely, have a problem with your typing if you have a problem with theirs. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Pretty much, if you have a problem with them, the feelings mutual. That's the way it's looked upon, at least.
I still don't see your logic in all this. Either the guy hates back for the sake of hating back, or the guy hates back because he genuinely has a legitimate problem with your writing. If you're meaning the latter, elaborate.

What logic, it's common knowledge. If you start having problems with someone then they will most certainly start having them back.

There's no logic to any of it. It's just plain and simple.....cause and effect. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


On 2004-07-13 18:13, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 18:06, DarthFomar wrote:
I've read so many books that use that technique. Lots of the books you find at schools use it, as well. You just don't notice it, most of the time. It's called a pause. Duh, lol http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


There's two ways to end a sentence. Either by a period, or by a "suspension period", which is your regular three dots. But a string of 'em? Like this?......... If you were talking about suspension periods, then I can understand, but if you're talking about big strings, mention a book, at least one.


No, I am not talking about big strings. All that garble earlier was just an exageration. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

I am talking about pauses....as you just said. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif



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[navci]

On 2004-07-13 18:06, DarthFomar wrote:

Oh, trust me.......anyone with a low level education probably wouldn't care. But if they have an IQ above 100 they will, more than likely, have a problem with your typing if you have a problem with theirs. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


I don't know why you always like to bring IQ into the discussion. I will quote a good friend of mine about IQ:



IQ is a measure of how well someone scores on a particular test compared to the average score of other people their age. The formula is just:
IQ = 100 x [Person's score]/[Average score of that person's age group]
In other words, if someone scores the average, that's a 100. A score of 200 means that person did twice as well as most people in their age group.


The said particular test isn't perfect, and by no means is it the accurate measure of intelligence in any way.

[KodiaX987]

On 2004-07-13 18:27, DarthFomar wrote:

What logic, it's common knowledge. If you start having problems with someone then they will most certainly start having them back.

There's no logic to any of it. It's just plain and simple.....cause and effect. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


So basically your statement has absolutely no reasoning? That means I could, by your way of thinking, go up to your face and kill you because I think you have better language skills than I do? That's what you're conveying to me! Hey, apparently everyone does it, you said it yourself! Everyone knows it's legitimate to have beef with someone who writes better than you do, of course we all knew that.

DF, this isn't the way life works. You hate someone who does it better than you out of envy. It's not legitimate, it's not right to have those feelings, but we accept that those feelings can nevertheless occur, okay, that's done for that. Aside from this common scenario, there is no way I could have a problem with someone writing better than I and have a good reason to justify my feelings towards him. Either you give me a well-thought and realistic way and prove me wrong, or you repeat the same shit you've said in your three previous posts.

[astuarlen]

What logic, it's common knowledge. If you start having problems with someone then they will most certainly start having them back.

There's no logic to any of it. It's just plain and simple.....cause and effect.
That's certainly just a bit immature and illogical. So if I find your (the hypothetical "you") egregious abuse and misuse of the English language irritating, you're compelled to be irritated by my proper usage, correct punctuation, and general coherency? Fun fact: the more articulate and intelligible your writing, the more respect you'll get. I can recall more than one incident in which a poster's writing has been so terrible, I literally could not comprehend what they were trying to say. I can tolerate the occasional "ppl", but when you're putting so little effort into a post that it's just a mess of incorrect punctuation and jumbled words, it simply becomes inexcusable.

[Ness]

On 2004-07-13 13:35, Ness wrote:
I think you guys need to get off Armok's case. It is true that the usage of shorthand is annoying, but there are people here far worse than Armok. Him using "ppl" is much less annoying than some ofthe stuff ihave brought up. Also if he types normal when it comes to using other words, I don't see the big deal whith him using shorthand for one or two words.


Also, calling him "stupid" is no way to convert him to your side. See my rant for more details.




This was overlooked the first time so I'm saying it again as well as adding to it. I find it funny that you guys are ripping on Armok and Darth Fomar (who are both intelligent and functional members of this community), but you ignore all those members that type far worse than they do. Like I said, it doesn't kill you see "ppl" or "OMG" every once in awhile. The bitching you guys are doing is starting to become more annoying than the shitty typers themselves.

Now if they used shorthand all the time then I could understand, but they type correctly, for the most part.

[Eihwaz]

Well said, Ian, I agree totally.

Typing well can be important, becuase abbreviating words and stuff can lead to misconceptions and missunderstandings.

Which are bad. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[KodiaX987]

On 2004-07-13 19:18, Ness wrote:

you ignore all those members that type far worse than they do.

That's because those members are most likely banned as well.

Besides, we're getting on those two guys' cases because of their ideas on it. I think even Nick Carter would've understood that.

[Ness]

On 2004-07-13 19:47, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 19:18, Ness wrote:

you ignore all those members that type far worse than they do.

That's because those members are most likely banned as well.

Besides, we're getting on those two guys' cases because of their ideas on it. I think even Nick Carter would've understood that.




Still all thsoe insults you are giveing them are unwarranted. Sure they way they type may now be on the same level as you or myself, but as long as I can read it with no extra effort, I'm cool with it. I only rant about people who type in a way that it takes extra effort to read, like Scriptor or Infinity (before he started using paragraph breaks).

[KodiaX987]

Ness. Read me again, very carefully this time. I said ideas, as in, their stances on the question and the reasons they have behind those ideas.

[Ness]

On 2004-07-13 20:22, KodiaX987 wrote:
Ness. Read me again, very carefully this time. I said ideas, as in, their stances on the question and the reasons they have behind those ideas.



I know. And I'm saying that just because they think differently about something doesn't mean you have to insult them. When you insult them, wall go up and you ahve little chance of converting them. I agree with some of the things they say and some of the things you say. Infact, I agree more with you than I do with them. All I'm saying is that name calling isn't the best way to make them see eye-to-eye with you.



*EDIT*

I don't know why I've been in such a diplomatic mood lately. I'm going to go to sleep before I piss anymore people off.


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[Esoteric]

Why is it such a big fucking deal how people type to some of you? I say as long as you can read it there shouldn't be a problem. If it gets to the point where you can barely even understand it or not even at all, then you still shouldn't feel the need to think of them as a lesser minded person either. I'm not going to say this is even the majority of people, but there are plenty of people who don't type as good as others but could still easily be more intelligent. Language is a very small part of the human intelligence.

A person might type in a manner that would lead you to believe they are not very intelligent yet they could be a gifted artist, a mathematical geniuss, a musical prodigy, or maybe a grandmaster of chess -- there are many possibilities. I could go on and on but the point is that using proper English, and in a forum at that, does not dictate your intelligence level. They could even be an incredible public speaker but only lack the ability or motivation to have to use perfect English when typing on a forum, game, or chatroom.

Now what if they have the ability but lack the motivation? Even if they use shorthand why should you care. If they are lazy or don't want to type perfectly and that annoys you when they have the ability it doesn't matter. That is like going up to a person who has a hairstyle you don't like and saying, "I don't like your hair. I know it could be like mine in the way I think is the best so why don't you change it, idiot?" If it is annoying that is your fucking problem. People present themself in the way they see fit, it is called personality not intelligence. The way they type is only a small trait in that of the human self. So the way they choose to type online should not be so important to you.

I am sure most, if not all of you who criticize the way people type have or have had friends online and/or in real life that type in the same manner you seem to dislike. Does that make them a lesser person? Does that make them less of a friend? If it does to you then I think your morals are pretty fucked. I'm going to even give an example of one of my own experiences of this idea. I know a friend whose mother is extremely rich and successful. She is in no way stupid and is very intelligent in what she does. She owns her own business and does very well with it. Yet, about a month ago she sent my dad an email and I read it. The way she types is horrible, she put the entire thing in caps and used little to no punctuation at all. But is she stupid or not intelligent? Not even a chance.

Quit being so critical and don't qualify typing as so important before you take more into consideration. I find it so odd that some of you bring this up as being such a huge qualifier in intelligence when it has a very small fraction in determining it. People who type poorly or use shorthand are not idiots, morons, stupid, etc. This can be one thing that would lead to an overall lower intelligence but this being only one small part of a very large list. So if it annoys you that is just your problem, get over it. Don't feel superior to those who don't type as well, you don't know enough about them to make that judgement if you only base it off of the way they type.

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-13 18:41, navi wrote:


On 2004-07-13 18:06, DarthFomar wrote:

Oh, trust me.......anyone with a low level education probably wouldn't care. But if they have an IQ above 100 they will, more than likely, have a problem with your typing if you have a problem with theirs. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


I don't know why you always like to bring IQ into the discussion. I will quote a good friend of mine about IQ:



IQ is a measure of how well someone scores on a particular test compared to the average score of other people their age. The formula is just:
IQ = 100 x [Person's score]/[Average score of that person's age group]
In other words, if someone scores the average, that's a 100. A score of 200 means that person did twice as well as most people in their age group.


The said particular test isn't perfect, and by no means is it the accurate measure of intelligence in any way.


I wasn't really trying to hit the nail on the head or anything with that comment. It was meant to be more a "figure of speech", if anything. I didn't really mean to bring in IQ, but what I was trying to say was that anyone with a 10th grade *or higher* education would bite back. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

And by the way, I have never brought IQ into psoworld before now, never. So where you got that, I have no clue. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

And the IQ test does exist for a reason you know. It really doesn't matter how you look at it. If your IQ is low, most people will think you are dumb, or that you have some type of problem. That cannot be helped, whether you and I like it or not. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



On 2004-07-13 18:48, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 18:27, DarthFomar wrote:

What logic, it's common knowledge. If you start having problems with someone then they will most certainly start having them back.

There's no logic to any of it. It's just plain and simple.....cause and effect. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


So basically your statement has absolutely no reasoning? That means I could, by your way of thinking, go up to your face and kill you because I think you have better language skills than I do? That's what you're conveying to me! Hey, apparently everyone does it, you said it yourself! Everyone knows it's legitimate to have beef with someone who writes better than you do, of course we all knew that.

DF, this isn't the way life works. You hate someone who does it better than you out of envy. It's not legitimate, it's not right to have those feelings, but we accept that those feelings can nevertheless occur, okay, that's done for that. Aside from this common scenario, there is no way I could have a problem with someone writing better than I and have a good reason to justify my feelings towards him. Either you give me a well-thought and realistic way and prove me wrong, or you repeat the same shit you've said in your three previous posts.


Ok, obviously I've been confusing, for that I am sorry.

What I am trying to say is, if you don't like what a person is doing, and you are doing it better. Then you go on to bitch about what they are or aren't doing and cram it in their face...they are surely going to do the same thing right back at you. They are going to exploit your flaws/strenghts just as you did theirs. They will fight back *usually*, it's only natural.



Either the guy hates back for the sake of hating back, or the guy hates back because he genuinely has a legitimate problem with your writing. If you're meaning the latter, elaborate.

You said it all right there. If someone is complaining about their typing and flaming them on top of that.....they will more than likely fight back just for the sake of fighting back. And, of course this is expected *most of the time*.

If they do happen to disagree or dislike you for *legitimate* reasons, then that is also understandable as well.

Please tell me you understand this. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



On 2004-07-13 18:48, KodiaX987 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 18:27, DarthFomar wrote:

What logic, it's common knowledge. If you start having problems with someone then they will most certainly start having them back.

There's no logic to any of it. It's just plain and simple.....cause and effect. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


So basically your statement has absolutely no reasoning? That means I could, by your way of thinking, go up to your face and kill you because I think you have better language skills than I do? That's what you're conveying to me! Hey, apparently everyone does it, you said it yourself! Everyone knows it's legitimate to have beef with someone who writes better than you do, of course we all knew that.

I never once gave that impression. But, if someone bitches at you for having typos or stupid grammar, what would you do?! Just sit there and take it?! I wouldn't, I'd fight back...try to use their weaknesses against them just as they did me.


DF, this isn't the way life works. You hate someone who does it better than you out of envy. It's not legitimate, it's not right to have those feelings, but we accept that those feelings can nevertheless occur, okay, that's done for that. Aside from this common scenario, there is no way I could have a problem with someone writing better than I and have a good reason to justify my feelings towards him. Either you give me a well-thought and realistic way and prove me wrong, or you repeat the same shit you've said in your three previous posts.


Ok, not everyone is like you....

Just because you wouldn't get mad at someone who was being a smart-ass while correcting your grammar, doesn't mean the rest of the world wouldn't. Catch my drift?!


Here's a few words of advice....."Life's a bitch, and then you die". Not the most original thing, but hey. If you don't like it, deal. It's not my problem either way, now is it?!



On 2004-07-13 18:50, astuarlen wrote:
That's certainly just a bit immature and illogical.

Oh my god, will you get off my fucking back. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_evil.gif


What logic, it's common knowledge. If you start having problems with someone then they will most certainly start having them back.

There's no logic to any of it. It's just plain and simple.....cause and effect.

How in the hell does that statement *or I for that matter* seem immature and illogical?!

Ok, here's a thought. Go bitch at your garbage man for spilling your trash one day. See if he doesn't try and rip your head off.

If you start complaining about someone, and you are insulting them on top of that....they will want to fight back in some way, it's natural. So in that sense, if you start up some shit, they will help you finish it, one way or the other. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Here's a good example: If you're boss says something very negative about a particular thing you do outside of work....wouldn't you feel the urge to tell him/her off about it?! Of course most people wouldn't do that or else they'd loose their jobs. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Now, why you think that is immature and illogical, is beyond me.

Seems to me you are just trying to be testy, because this: "That's certainly just a bit immature and illogical" is irrational and demeaning to this discussion. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



Another thing, people should stop flying on people's asses. Then, maybe they could show a little respect for one another, now and then. Oh, but god forbid they stop their criticism, "down with righteousness". http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



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[navci]

On 2004-07-13 23:18, DarthFomar wrote:

And the IQ test does exist for a reason you know.


Ya, it exist for the purpose of categorizing students and place them in classes. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-13 23:34, navi wrote:


On 2004-07-13 23:18, DarthFomar wrote:

And the IQ test does exist for a reason you know.


Ya, it exist for the purpose of categorizing students and place them in classes. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Exactly......hit the nail on the head yet again. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

[Firocket1690]

On 2004-07-13 13:04, Armok wrote:

It is not because I am dumb *waves BSc in Chemistry from 4th best university in England*.


... I thought we were debating english here ?
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[Armok]

On 2004-07-14 01:57, Firocket1690 wrote:


On 2004-07-13 13:04, Armok wrote:

It is not because I am dumb *waves BSc in Chemistry from 4th best university in England*.


... I thought we were debating english here ?
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That was just to prove I'm not dumb. It has nothing to do with english.

Anyway I think I made my point on my last post so I aint getting drawn into another long repeatative debate.

[Ness]

So young, so angry. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

Okay, I've done alot of agreeing, diagreeing, defending, and attacking; but I have hever directly stated my opinion on the issue.

I think that it is okay to use shorthand on PSO because converstaions go very fast and you only have a samll amount of space. On a forum, however, you have all the time in the world so there is not reason to type completely in shorthand. However, not everyone here wants to spend alot of time sitting at a computer and typing perfect sentences. As most of you know I make a bunch of typos because I refuse to proofread my stuff (until recently). Why? Because I just didn't care enough to so.

When I see someone's post, all I require is that I can read it without any extra effort. This means:

1. They use proper capitalization
2. They use proper ending punctuation.
3. They put paragraph breaks.

They can use shorthand or 1337 speak if they want to, but only a little bit. I'm fluent in 1337 (sadly), but I find some forms of shorthand hard to understand like. For example there are several things people use that it took me forever to figure out: "BMD," "wit," and "wut."

The way Armok types is not annoying at all. He uses shorthand sometimes, but types correctly, for the most part. I can read his posts with no extra effort.

DF's post aren't hard to read either. The only thing that bothers me is his refusal to use parenthesis.

As for the rest of you guys, you need to take a chill pill and realize that not everyone has the same standards you do. So what if you like to tpye perfectly and thin everyone else should too? That doesn't mean everyone else will and should agree with you.

[Scejntjynahl]

This is still about personal preference. If one so desires to use a more "relaxed" way of typing, so be it. If they choose to use "u" instead of "you", so be it. If they think it is cool to type "n-e" instead of "any", so be it. If an individual can not or does not write a coherent paragraph with correct punctualization and correct usage of transitional words or create run-on sentences,so be it.

My fellow forum dwellers, I sincerely doubt that Phantasy Star World is a school, and that grades are absolutely not been handed out. So why are we constantly bickering about each others personal understanding and preference about the English language.

We all know what we are capable of, we all know our own limits and strengths. What is the point to bend everyone else to conform so you can still maintain the notion that you are knowledgeable in any one particular area.

If I so desire to have an in depth conversation, I know who to turn to and I will use private mail to contact such a person. Yet when posting in the general forum, I tend to go with the flow. And if I choose to be coherent, so be it. And if I choose not to be, so be it.

[WraithVerge]

I find extreme cases of butchery, such as in that little comic I posted earlier, really irritating. Minor crap... ehh, whatever.

Bah... you can either live with it, go with it, or say 'fuck it' when reading internet shorthand. Same thing when you move to a different country with a language you do not understand. Live with it, learn it or 'fuck it'.

Other than that, all I can say is let's chill on this before it gets out of hand.


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[InfinityXXX]

You can talk about me however you want but i don't care. People are always gonna talk like that theres no point in arguing. Yes i've seen people use no complete words in a paragraph but thats the way the cookie crumbles. When i post i check it sometimes but not all. I use internet lingo but i don't use the internet lingo to the extreme. I substitute you with u and people with ppl. I'm not doing it on purpose and i know it won't kill me to type "you" or "people" but when i first learned to type i was very slow so i used u for you, ppl for people, etc. I was raised to type like that, you can say. I think some of you guys are nitpicking at others over a annoying issue that isn't that much of a problem. You're not goin to die for seeing "ppl" are you? If you are then we must certainly stop.

[Nai_Calus]

I taught myself to type. I type with the first two fingers on each hand and my thumbs to this day. I started my life online in AOL chatrooms full of morons and idiots who used u and ppl and ur and all the other moronic bastardizations of the English language that drive me mad. I typed very slowly because I wasn't used to it. I chose to speak intelligibly and to not insult my own intelligence by typin lik dis omg lolz0rz. I took the extra second to type you and the extra second to type people.

Are you people going to sit around and type like that in a business situation because that's how you chose to 'raise' yourselves? You're not going to get very far, because your coworkers and boss will very correctly brand you as a moron for it. The correct time to teach yourself how to type properly and use full versions of words is now.

Maybe it's just because I was a voracious(And early) reader. XP Authors I liked wrote properly, why would I want to write like these apparently unintelligent people I know nothing about who haven't produced anything worthwhile? I'd rather emulate the authors. And thus I did, and thus I was 'raised' to fully type out my words and use punctuation. XP

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-15 12:37, Ian-KunX wrote:
Are you people going to sit around and type like that in a business situation because that's how you chose to 'raise' yourselves? You're not going to get very far, because your coworkers and boss will very correctly brand you as a moron for it. The correct time to teach yourself how to type properly and use full versions of words is now.


I see your point, but this isn't some training program preparing us for a career, nor is this a keyboarding class. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

This is just a message board, sure it's nice to type all neat and perfect.....but not everyone sees it your way, nor do they think themselves a caterer to everyone elses needs. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

I'm sorry if that seems a bit "formal", but that's the way it is. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

[InfinityXXX]

On 2004-07-15 12:37, Ian-KunX wrote:
I taught myself to type. I type with the first two fingers on each hand and my thumbs to this day. I started my life online in AOL chatrooms full of morons and idiots who used u and ppl and ur and all the other moronic bastardizations of the English language that drive me mad. I typed very slowly because I wasn't used to it. I chose to speak intelligibly and to not insult my own intelligence by typin lik dis omg lolz0rz. I took the extra second to type you and the extra second to type people.

Are you people going to sit around and type like that in a business situation because that's how you chose to 'raise' yourselves? You're not going to get very far, because your coworkers and boss will very correctly brand you as a moron for it. The correct time to teach yourself how to type properly and use full versions of words is now.

Maybe it's just because I was a voracious(And early) reader. XP Authors I liked wrote properly, why would I want to write like these apparently unintelligent people I know nothing about who haven't produced anything worthwhile? I'd rather emulate the authors. And thus I did, and thus I was 'raised' to fully type out my words and use punctuation. XP


Weeeeell my freind, typing on a message board and typing a business or school paper are two different things. Theres no way in hades i'll use net slang on a school paper. I do comics, thus i have to write out each episode and i have to write each word out perfectly but when i transfer into the comic form, i substitute some words with slang words and people like it. Using net slang does not make you a moron, unless you use it throughout a whole sentence. I'm not teling you that you should use slang you can type however way you want. I think any normal person will know not to use slang on business levels. Look at it like this, my mom goes to her job and acts proper and doesn't cuss, she acts very professional but when she gets home she acts like her normal self. I go to school and write decent but when i go online i write however i want to. Slang doesn't prove how intelligent you are either.

To be honest, the only time i use net slang is when i'm bored or talking to my freinds. You really got some people out there that use this slang on purpose, in every sentence and think its cool but they are usually people new to the internet. I can understand when people typle like this "WO 1 jest 8 a cukie" but when people type normal and use a bit of slang here and there I don't find anything wrong with it unless you can understand it. But hey, to each its own.