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Deathscythealpha

Jul 15, 2004, 05:27 PM

My sister pointed out to me the other day that all the shows seem to be becoming the same on Cartoon Network/Toonami. Character sets out on quest, meets tough guy, beats him up, quests a bit more, meets a tougher guy, beats him, rinse and repeat.

I dont think this is the problem of the anime itself, its just the type of anime the networks pick up. Kids liked this formula in Pokemon and DBZ, so they juts go for similer shows.

Now if you want some anime that breaks these moulds, try:

Boogiepop Phantom: I dont think anyones searching for anything in this show. Nice and dark and evil. Kinda like the Twilight Zone crossed with that other show i cant remember the name of now.

Excel Saga: Tis wierd, and the only thing their searching for is how to do something even more crazy. Skip Episode 26 however, as the series finish's off perfectly on 25.

FLCL: This series, mwah?! Wierd, but still no searching for anything.

tai_EX

Jul 15, 2004, 06:22 PM

thanx ill look for those seires, i need a break from the mold enways http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Aredhel

Jul 15, 2004, 08:01 PM

On 2004-07-15 15:27, Deathscythealpha wrote:

Boogiepop Phantom: I dont think anyones searching for anything in this show. Nice and dark and evil. Kinda like the Twilight Zone crossed with that other show i cant remember the name of now.

I heard this was a great series, so I bought it at best Buy last October. It's been 9 months by now and I still haven't even opened it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Sagasu

Jul 15, 2004, 08:07 PM

On 2004-07-15 18:01, Aredhel wrote:

On 2004-07-15 15:27, Deathscythealpha wrote:

Boogiepop Phantom: I dont think anyones searching for anything in this show. Nice and dark and evil. Kinda like the Twilight Zone crossed with that other show i cant remember the name of now.

I heard this was a great series, so I bought it at best Buy last October. It's been 9 months by now and I still haven't even opened it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Hey, send that over my way if you don't want it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Heinline believes there are only 3 origional stories in this verse.

1) boy meets girl

2) girls meets boy

3) man learns better

The rest are just extensions, that twist and turn to make things more interesting. So theres no wondering why most things are so closely related http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

Sayara

Jul 15, 2004, 08:57 PM

if i ever direct an anime its gonna have no story line,

Theres something like that statement above... the only story to it is they're in High School...

Thats right kids, Azumanga Daioh.
Basically, with good searching skills and resources, theres alot of good hidden anime out there that breaks the DBZ/Pkmn Mold.

ssephiroth_da_hunter

Jul 15, 2004, 09:13 PM

Azumanga Daioh is a funny anime. The mangas are even even better to read. There is hardly any story, its just about a bunch high school girls and their everday activities.

tai_EX

Jul 15, 2004, 10:51 PM

thank you to all who posted http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif my GF and i shall enjoy these new things to watch!

Nazo

Jul 16, 2004, 12:05 AM

Azumanga Daioh is a must see. Its hilarious.

As for other anime... I'm a humor fan, so I'd also go with DeathScythe's recommendation of Excel Saga. If you've watched enough movies/anime, its good to see as a parody of many productions.

I also recommend:

Chrno Crusade- rather difficult to find online. Its about a war between the Catholic church in the US and the demonic forces. It seems like a less serious version of Noir, except there's.. .. well, guys... This is an extremely compelling anime and gives a truly deep exploration of today's interpretations of the bible. Kinda funny at times, but can't-take-eyes-off-screen when the climaxes start coming.

Gunslinger Girl- Hands-down, the best anime I've seen yet. This is a no-nonse, completely serious anime. And a record of the shortest amount of episodes: 13. This anime is about five~six girls who are saved by a private corporation, ages from 12 to 17. They are 'conditioned' with a truckload of carbon to make them as humanly as fast and strong as possible, and they are practically emotionless. Their memories are wiped, and they don't care what happened to them in the past. Its a terribly sad series near the end, and watching this should not only give you slightly violent action, but demonstrate the true cruelties terrorists have made for our world.

Watch it.

tai_EX

Jul 16, 2004, 12:44 AM

i like zee random kind!!

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

space_butler

Jul 16, 2004, 12:41 PM

if you like random stuff then the triad fansubbing is good...they have some stuff thats already been recomended here such as gunslinger girl and they might still have azumanga daioah torrents..dogato looks random and cosmopolitan prayers is another good and wierd series...http://www.the-triad.org/

Evil_Althena8

Jul 16, 2004, 01:43 PM

mainstream anime is usually all the same. I loved Tenchi Muyo, however, and for some reason (very regretfully) I am a slight Sailor Moon fan...

space_butler

Jul 16, 2004, 01:47 PM

i dont really remember sailor moon, but it seemed alright when it was shown...wich was about 5 years ago maybe? pfft...arc the lad seemed ok when i watched it this morning, but its probably crappy

DarthFomar

Jul 16, 2004, 11:34 PM

To tell you the truth......I love almost any type of anime. Really, even some of the stupid ones. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

For now, "Gungrave" will be my next anime "venture". http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

The only animes I don't particularly like are "Hamtaro" and "Yu-gi-oh" and frankly they don't really even bother me that much. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

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Sef

Jul 17, 2004, 11:24 AM

Maybe they're out there to show you that even though your goal may be huge and 'ultimate', no matter who comes along you have to whoop there ass if you wanna achieve it.

Believe in yourself and what you can do. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Edit: Now go watch, "GTO" - "Great Teacher Onizuka"

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Break421

Jul 17, 2004, 06:18 PM

wats ur favorite show ppl??

Subliminalgroove

Jul 17, 2004, 06:59 PM

On 2004-07-17 16:18, Break421 wrote:
wats ur favorite show ppl??

Ones where people communicate in a normal fashion.

Seriously, Break. I don't mean to insult you, but EVERY post I have seen of yours is simply a headache to read. It makes you look like a monkey. It only takes an extra second or two to make that question look like this: "What's your favorite show, people?"

Please, try it. For all of our sanity.

To answer your question... I've always liked Ranma 1/2.

AUTO_

Jul 17, 2004, 06:59 PM

I can't stand most anime because mainly all of them either have:

1) Cutesy dialogue that annoys me.

2) The hero or villian who's meant to be portrayed as a hard ass but just comes off as annoying.

3) Terrible fucking dub-overs that take you out of everything else going on in the anime.

4) Rediculous plots that can't be followed unless you're a nerd to the series.

5) Terrible music. It's hard to take any form of entertainment seriously when it sounds like a loud toy keyboard and some Japanese male/female with voices straight off the street.

6) The love interest formula. I'm sure people who lower their standards of entertainment don't mind this formula--but most animes that have love interest characters just generally bug the hell out of me...mainly a mix of a few reasons I already listed.

To me, anime was, is, and always will be, overrated.

Myopathy

Jul 17, 2004, 07:16 PM

Jungle Wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu.

Weird anime ever. But quite entertaining from the number of episodes I have watched of it.

navci

Jul 17, 2004, 07:19 PM

On 2004-07-17 16:59, AUTO_ wrote:
I can't stand most anime because mainly all of them either have:

5) Terrible music. It's hard to take any form of entertainment seriously when it sounds like a loud toy keyboard and some Japanese male/female with voices straight off the street.

To me, anime was, is, and always will be, overrated.

I dunno man. That is completely a personal taste. Some of my most favourite music come from anime soundtracks.

A lot of the stuff don't fall into any of the category that you listed though. Most main-stream ones, however, will fit into one or two of the points that you listed, unfortunately, because apparently they sell.

A couple of my personal favourite, however, doesn't have any of the above points at all. At least to me. It really depends on what you are looking at. It is a very big genre.

DruidMettool

Jul 17, 2004, 07:46 PM

Anime is the same bland sex-based crap it was 10 years ago. Finding a good anime series is very hard... as any and all Anime falls under 5 Categories: Monster/Card colletion, Hentai, Giant Robots, Overrated Toonami/Adult Swim Anime, and Mystical powers. Any anime that dosen't fall into those 5 categories might be worth watching. Until I can find an anime like that, I'll be hating DBZ more and more.

But what puzzles me is why Japan only draws in only one type of style. If you look at American cartoons, you'll notice that just about every single cartoon has a different drawing and animation style, and that they are very diverse. But I do not understand why Japan hasn't learned to make their cartoons more diverse, and not the same 2-frames-per-second, big-eyes, and busty girls that they've been recycling for over 2 decades. My only guess is that Japan hasn't been making cartoons as long as we have, andt hat they are still learning. (Notice how all the American cartoons in 1920/1930 were all the same). Other than that, I can't find a reason for it... Not that it's neceseraily a bad thing, but it does tend to seem a little tedious.

I've confused myself...

Shattered_weasel

Jul 17, 2004, 07:54 PM

Right now the only anime I like is that "Case Closed".

It makes me use my head. Something that doesn't get used often.

Subliminalgroove

Jul 17, 2004, 08:01 PM

check out features. I know they aren't series... but they're good.

Most people see the crap that sells and assume that is what all anime is. That's not the case. Anime is simply a particular subdivision of animated media. As with ANY media, the crap that floats to the top is the stuff that can grab an audience. In other words, the stuff that panders to the lowest common denomenator. Its the same with music, film, literature . . . even news. Money talks, but true art is silent. Unfourtunatly.

You want something good that isn't part of the norm... check out Grave of Fireflies, Perfect Blue... there is tons of good stuff. You just have to get passed the comercial bull shit... much like music.

Dhylec

Jul 17, 2004, 08:06 PM

AUTO_ wrote:
1) Cutesy dialogue that annoys me.

ah, i hope you weren't watching shoujo-themed anime
try berserk or other guy/action-themed anime

also, most anime, as well as manga, in english have lower the tone of voice
ranma, for instance, speaks a lot more 'polite' & with manner than the fan version

2) The hero or villian who's meant to be portrayed as a hard ass but just comes off as annoying.

it'a a matter of opinion & depend on what kind of anime you've been watching
try some good ones like bebop, then maybe you can change your mind

3) Terrible fucking dub-overs that take you out of everything else going on in the anime.

just preference here.. i prefer a good sub any day

4) Rediculous plots that can't be followed unless you're a nerd to the series.

again, must be the anime yo picked..
some are really easy, ep.-contained anime you saw
azumanga, bebop, for exmaple, is almost each ep. to itself

however, if you are trying to follow the long, long series with ova, like tenchi, ranma series, a few ep's won't give you enough background info
you must see many more [as in previous series] to know better

anime is usually meant to watch in series to take the most outta the story

5) Terrible music. It's hard to take any form of entertainment seriously when it sounds like a loud toy keyboard and some Japanese male/female with voices straight off the street.

it's personal taste
most of my current music are from anime & games http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

6) The love interest formula. I'm sure people who lower their standards of entertainment don't mind this formula--but most animes that have love interest characters just generally bug the hell out of me...mainly a mix of a few reasons I already listed.

again, if you are watching the girl-harem themed, then all of them are the same - 1 guy loved by many girls

To me, anime was, is, and always will be, overrated.

heh, indeed to you.. a very personal opinion

anime as a whole has grown much more now.. from special-interest to a sub-culture, but can't be seen here as a mainstream entertainment
so judging from the hype the kids have for pokemon, yukgioh & such is not the right perspective

anime is animation, not cartoon
anime isn't for everyone http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

now, maybe you can tell us what you want to watch then we can recommend some? =D

tai_EX

Jul 17, 2004, 08:38 PM

*sniff* im soo happy! i finally made a "rant" people actually say things on!it wasnt something that was shunned away like all my other topics but infact it has 2 pages!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif I HAVE MADE IT IN MY WORLD.... sorry.. got excited there.

navci

Jul 17, 2004, 08:53 PM

On 2004-07-17 18:01, Subliminalgroove wrote:
Most people see the crap that sells and assume that is what all anime is. That's not the case. Anime is simply a particular subdivision of animated media. As with ANY media, the crap that floats to the top is the stuff that can grab an audience. In other words, the stuff that panders to the lowest common denomenator. Its the same with music, film, literature . . . even news. Money talks, but true art is silent. Unfourtunatly.

SO. TRUE.
I love you, will you marry me?

Solstis

Jul 17, 2004, 08:59 PM

On 2004-07-17 17:46, DruidMettool wrote:
Anime is the same bland sex-based crap it was 10 years ago. Finding a good anime series is very hard... as any and all Anime falls under 5 Categories: Monster/Card colletion, Hentai, Giant Robots, Overrated Toonami/Adult Swim Anime, and Mystical powers. Any anime that dosen't fall into those 5 categories might be worth watching. Until I can find an anime like that, I'll be hating DBZ more and more.

But what puzzles me is why Japan only draws in only one type of style. If you look at American cartoons, you'll notice that just about every single cartoon has a different drawing and animation style, and that they are very diverse. But I do not understand why Japan hasn't learned to make their cartoons more diverse, and not the same 2-frames-per-second, big-eyes, and busty girls that they've been recycling for over 2 decades. My only guess is that Japan hasn't been making cartoons as long as we have, andt hat they are still learning. (Notice how all the American cartoons in 1920/1930 were all the same). Other than that, I can't find a reason for it... Not that it's neceseraily a bad thing, but it does tend to seem a little tedious.

I've confused myself...

Yes, you do seem to often.

If it wasn't for the fact that you give the appearances of being well informed, I woulda pwned yer azz (note the lack of the word "ass").

But, what can I say? That is your, poor, mislaid, misintented, misguided opinion.

Is misintented a word?

DruidMettool

Jul 17, 2004, 09:04 PM

No, I think "Shallow assumer" is the title for me

Subliminalgroove

Jul 17, 2004, 09:06 PM

On 2004-07-17 18:53, navinator wrote:

SO. TRUE.
I love you, will you marry me?

Of course I will sweetie!

navci

Jul 17, 2004, 09:13 PM

On 2004-07-17 19:06, Subliminalgroove wrote:

On 2004-07-17 18:53, navinator wrote:

SO. TRUE.
I love you, will you marry me?

Of course I will sweetie!

w00ty!

On topic: There are some anime which are cheesy, with cutesy eyes, bad music, and everything. Those are for you to watch, and laugh your ass off at the cliche of it. Those, are usually so bad, it is GOOD!

Subliminalgroove

Jul 17, 2004, 09:24 PM

My new fiancee is right...

But you do need to be in the mood for that type of anime.

InfinityXXX

Jul 17, 2004, 09:58 PM

I like animes with deep storylines and tied with the real world(Roruni Kenshin) and i like funny romance too. Maison Ikkoku is the best anime/manga ever. It reminds me of a eastern style comic i make thats about my life called Dayz. Sailor moon was my first anime i watched and it got me hooked unto the eastern style of drawing so i decided to draw in the eastern style when i was 5 and i still do. There are some corny animes and some boring ones out there but not all of them are like this.
My favorite anime/manga's are
.Zetman
.Maison Ikkoku
.Ranma1/2(a classic)
.Pokemon..The MANGA not the 4kids cartoon
. dot Hack key of the twilight
.Gatekeepers
.Gatekeepers 21
.Naruto
.Hunter X Hunter
.666 satan
.Pretty Face
.Hot Milk

navci

Jul 17, 2004, 10:06 PM

On 2004-07-17 19:58, InfinityXXX wrote:
.Pretty Face

Gahaha. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif
That is a funny one. Though, you'd have to be in the right mood for that.

Sef

Jul 17, 2004, 10:25 PM

I think GTO(Great Teacher Onizuka) is pretty good...Although I haven't seen very much of it...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Shattered_weasel

Jul 18, 2004, 12:22 AM

On 2004-07-17 19:58, InfinityXXX wrote:

.Gatekeepers
.Gatekeepers 21

Those are my favorites there.

Deathscythealpha

Jul 18, 2004, 05:04 PM

On 2004-07-17 17:46, DruidMettool wrote:
But what puzzles me is why Japan only draws in only one type of style. If you look at American cartoons, you'll notice that just about every single cartoon has a different drawing and animation style, and that they are very diverse. But I do not understand why Japan hasn't learned to make their cartoons more diverse, and not the same 2-frames-per-second, big-eyes, and busty girls that they've been recycling for over 2 decades. My only guess is that Japan hasn't been making cartoons as long as we have, andt hat they are still learning. (Notice how all the American cartoons in 1920/1930 were all the same). Other than that, I can't find a reason for it... Not that it's neceseraily a bad thing, but it does tend to seem a little tedious.

Ive seen quite a few different styles of anime recently. Crayon Shinchan, The Super Milk-chan Show, Dead Leaves; ive picked these 3 series out of the latest issue of Newtype just because they have such a different style compared to most Anime. Milk Chan even kinda reminds me of some of the stuff you would see in Ren and Stimpy.

Then you've got the more serious Anime that have a realistic style to them. I mentioned Boogiepop Phantom in another post and that series has a very realistic appearence to it. Samurai X and Patlabor 1 and 2 are 2 other series that i would say have a different style compared to other more common anime.

I think Japan started animating in the 1950's after the second world war. Disney cartoons were imported into the country and inspired alot of the earlier anime. You can see the Disney influence in alot of early anime like Astroboy.

Yeah, i understand that you see alot of the same style of animation in anime. Most of the shows on Cartoon Network over here all seem to have the same style. But again its just what people think they want. If a show looks like Pokemon a broadcasting company will pick it. You just have to look around more to find something that is different.

BoarDemon

Jul 21, 2004, 07:26 AM

Since I love anime, I have to say something here.

My favorite anime:

Rurouni Kenshin

All Gundam Series (Mostly U.C. Century),(except for SD, which was bad shyt)

Samurai Deeper Kyo

Cowboy Bebop

Naruto

Escaflowne

Princess Mononoke (its a movie, but still anime)

Dragonball

Dragonball Z ONLY UNTIL Cell games (after Son Goku died, and cell died, there was no point in continuing, plus buu sucked anyways.

Inuyasha

Samurai X

and many others, but too many

also, there are more than just 1 type of animation styles in japan.
Remember Big 0? That was batman-like animation. Or FLCL (Fooly Cooly), and ive read many other manga where there is "more american-like" animation. When you watch Gundam, or Bebop, or Rurouni Kenshin, whatever, look at the other people in the story, excluding main characters, many of them do look much different.

Azbats

Jul 23, 2004, 03:47 PM

Anime comes in loads of differnet shapes and sizes and like most things you get your fair share of crap to the gems.

My personal favourates are Akira [of course, it's just a classic], Blue [awesome film about obsession and belonging], Blue Gender [Excellent series that has the most bizzare ending credits, but hey!!!], Cowboy Bebop [Just fab], Metropolis and the funniest Anime I've seen is Dirty Pair Flash [pant wettingly funny]

Tycho

Jul 24, 2004, 03:32 AM

Most good series have been mentioned already...

On 2004-07-17 20:25, Sef wrote:
I think GTO(Great Teacher Onizuka) is pretty good...Although I haven't seen very much of it...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Ok, i'll have to add this. Even though it's not anime, try the GTO live action series. It's sooo much cooler. The guy who played Onizuka is so cool, he's just hilarious.

Scales_of_Air

Jul 24, 2004, 03:08 PM

On 2004-07-17 18:01, Subliminalgroove wrote:
check out features. I know they aren't series... but they're good.

Most people see the crap that sells and assume that is what all anime is. That's not the case. Anime is simply a particular subdivision of animated media. As with ANY media, the crap that floats to the top is the stuff that can grab an audience. In other words, the stuff that panders to the lowest common denomenator. Its the same with music, film, literature . . . even news. Money talks, but true art is silent. Unfourtunatly.

You want something good that isn't part of the norm... check out Grave of Fireflies, Perfect Blue... there is tons of good stuff. You just have to get passed the comercial bull shit... much like music.

Hell yeah!

Music - Some anime, I agree, have soundtracks that aren't as highly acclaimed as others, and even so the music might not match ones taste. I favor different styles of classical, and do find many of my CDs to be from anime. Recently I've found Joe Hisaishi's music for Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away to be highly appealing to me, but still that doesn't make it the "best" music ever. It's all circumstantial to one's musical taste and opinion.

Drawing Style of Japan v. American - I understand that many American cartoons vary greatly in their concpets of people, environment, and objects. On a glance, alot of anime is similar in style. A closer look though reveals much difference. One just needs to be exposed to different genres and producers and, like Subliminalgroove stated, "get passed the commercial bull shit." But even on cartoon network there's obvious contrast, just compare the newly aired Witch Hunter Robin to Wolf's Rain. Clearly, there is a difference.

Any others have been thoroghly discussed, thanks all ^_^

And Nazo, Night Walker clears your record with 10 or 12 Episodes, I can't recall. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

tai_EX

Jul 25, 2004, 01:04 PM

When i got home from work yesterday, my roomate hd purchased an Inuyasha DVD box set from JAPAN! and i said " WHOA! HOW MUCH DID THAT COST???" and he laughed. But this show is quite good i think, but once again they're looking for something to help them do something else. Oh well.. the main character Kagome, sorta looks a lil like my GF, whene-ever i watch it, i grin a HUGE grin. ahhh well she emailed me yesterday! HORRAY! i now kno shes safe and happy, but misses me.. meh... todays my day off... thank god.