GC pso cheated already *sigh*

[BrokenHope]

Was just looking in the cmgsccc forums noticed a post by Barubary, seems theres already level 200's and item modding going on.

Here's the thread if anyones intrested

http://cmgsccc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=d01a06adde3ceaa0b1b34fd85b4ed8c2&threadid=28965

[Edit]

Just to let people know this is as much sonic teams fault as it is the cheaters, there cheating because sonic team haven't changed the server protacol even after barubary worked it out in v1 they went ahead and used it in v2, pc and now GC. i just hope that sonic team changes the protacol in the final version.



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[MetalGriever]

I think I speak for everyone when I say I'm not the least bit surprised.

[SPECIAL_WEAPON_FOmarl]

It's not too late,we can all take action to bann wankers like that from our games before we get mixed up with the wrong crowd.I already have and know some people that I can trust from the DC verions who I know won't cheat,and I have a friend in RL who has ver.2 and played with me.That doesn't mean im not gonna meet new people,but it helps to know people who will be playing fair.I wonder if the codes do come in the final version will cheaters move to the ship EARTH and make it like Oberon o.O.

Im not disappointed by this but more in a take action stance >.< because it's bound to happen http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Kent]

We've always got the offline multi-player...

[john]

split screen....bah! only as last resort lol

[ShortWhiteHUmar]

But what if there is NO ONE you know that plays PSO? Then the multiplayer thing is useless... =P

[GhoStar]

As long as Sonic Team find out and don't release the full game like this, then it shouldn't be a problem. Better they find out now and not with the full version.

[TeamPhalanx]

Reality is that even if this problem is fixed, that'll still be cheating. In the end the only way to stop this kind of thing is for individual players to not cheat, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. I've seen a lot of people say that that'll be legit with the GC/X-Box version, but, most likely, less than the quarter of them will actually come through.

[BrokenHope]

On 2002-06-13 06:40, TeamPhalanx wrote:
Reality is that even if this problem is fixed, that'll still be cheating. In the end the only way to stop this kind of thing is for individual players to not cheat, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. I've seen a lot of people say that that'll be legit with the GC/X-Box version, but, most likely, less than the quarter of them will actually come through.



I'll be legit http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

I was legit in v1, cheated in v2 and will be legit in gc pso, its not exactly a new concept to me so it won't be hard to do.

Besides having all the rares was boring, and i actually prefer being legit, i dunno it's just more fun, plus you feel a greater sense of achievment when you get thru a hard area like ult ruins for example legitly.



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[SaitoH]

I'm not surprised.

As long as there is no malicious cheats (ie Nol'ing) then I don't see this as a problem. Hacking is a fact of life in online games, so If you don't want to cheat then don't. I just hope Sonic Team had the foresight to give players a chance to actually find rares in this version. Alot less people would accept dupes and hack items if you could find something.

^w^/oo <=="My 2 cents", face

[rbf2000]

You shouldn't worry too much. This type of cheating won't be available to the mass public, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

EDIT: Spelling/ what this guy said
(JackH) The highest level possible in the trial is 50. That is hardcoded into the trial, so higher can't be done.

I've seen this exact same thing on the v2 and v1 servers. What you do is make your name as *NAME HERE* J200 or something. There's a shot of a guy with it on http://hey.to/pso


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[BrokenHope]

what this guy said

(JackH) The highest level possible in the trial is 50. That is hardcoded into the trial, so higher can't be done.

I've seen this exact same thing on the v2 and v1 servers. What you do is make your name as *NAME HERE* J200 or something. There's a shot of a guy with it on http://hey.to/pso


Yeah and level 200 is the highest in v2 and i've seen plenty of cheaters over that level.





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[CodeName62]

I can't believe that it already got hacked before it went out to the full public. Hopefully the problem gets fixed before it is released. Does Barubary still make codes for PSO? I thought he would of been terrorizing another game by now.

[Cube]

Well. the trial version was MADE to solve things like this. So if we can somehow let Sonic Team know about this, they an change it.

THIS IS THE TIME NOW TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THIS.

[Rubesahl]

-screams- No please NO-- http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif Please Sonicteam I beg you! NO CHEATING on PSO! At least nothing like PK, CK, NOLing etc etc. It'd be less aggrivating that way. They're going to ruin everything again...-sigh- At least I have my friends to play with for sure

[Parn]

I consider this a blessing, actually. We knew cheating was going to happen, it was just a question of when.

There's still time to do something, though it's just a matter of IF Sonic Team will do anything. Though if they do, I smell another delay.

[Uncle_bob]

Ugh...It's very sad and pathetic that some fools (e.i. Barubary) spend hours just to find a way to let people ruin a great game even while it's still in it's beta stage. Unless Sonic Team fixes what has happened you can expect little assholes running around with their 180% needles killing everything in 1 hit again, and possibly worse things. (DC V2 all over again) *waits to get flamed*

[Zio]

this is people who can hook their GC up to the PC to fake a PPP server, that doesnt mean they all can. Someone should send this info to ST so they can change the PPP protocol and make a strong ass firewall. Also, people like this wont be able to use their same chars in the final, unless they change something in the source code o_O

[QueenBee]

I agree with Parn and Cube and a few others, this is a good thing 4 us. The whole reason 2 have a trial is 2 let real people play the game and find out what bugs there are. As long as something is reported 2 ST there should be no problem.

[watashiwa]

Actually, I hope it doesn't get fixed. Then I can get tons of free rares from players and take screenshots for PSOW then have Ven_Jance come on here and make another rant.

Hehehehehahahahahah..

[DESSYX]

I think we are all forgetting that the majority of cheaters on the Dreamcast version were immature little pussies who couldn't even speak english(and I'm not talking about people from another country).


Originally posted by Barubary:
These people cheat by connecting their Gamecube modem to their PC modem and faking a PPP server. From there, they send fake packets to the client that cause it to update its character data, then save and quit to make it permanent. (It uses the same mechanism that the real server uses to delete hacked stats from your characters.)

So you see, most of the cheaters from the DC version will be unable to cheat in the GC version until a cheat device(i.e. GameShark) is released and people like Barubary have a chance to find some codes. And that's assuming that Sonic Team hasn't found a way to prevent the use of such devices.

[DarthWufei]

Guys. Don't you remember the interview posted not so long ago? It mentioned a session with all the trialers will come soon. Where ST will take advice for what needs to be fixed in the game. HELLO! Doesn't this seem like it'll be included? Thing is.. we don't need to whine about it. we need to get someone to post on the offical Trial board and get ST's attention.

[SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko]

Burn the barubary!

[Greg]

On 2002-06-13 10:07, watashiwa wrote:
Actually, I hope it doesn't get fixed. Then I can get tons of free rares from players and take screenshots for PSOW then have Ven_Jance come on here and make another rant.

Hehehehehahahahahah..



Agreed. Now that I am out of college I dont have like 10000 hours to find shit. Item mod please. Plus I wanna see people cry just because I have a hacked item on a video game.

[watashiwa]

On 2002-06-13 11:14, Greg wrote:
Item mod please. Plus I wanna see people cry just because I have a hacked item on a video game.



I found a super rare offline last night. A Musashi blade.

However, because the Trial Edition's main focus is not offline play, it resets your inventory to what you had before you started the offline game when you quit and save. You have to bank the item to keep it.

Anyway, I had the item in my inventory and not in the bank, so I go online to show my friends and it's gone. I'm so fucking pissed, then they tell me that and I'm like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!" <.<

[neko-chan]

On 2002-06-13 10:42, DESSYX wrote:
I think we are all forgetting that the majority of cheaters on the Dreamcast version were immature little pussies who couldn't even speak english(and I'm not talking about people from another country).


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/cat.gif Hey! I found one:



On 2002-06-13 11:14, Greg wrote:
Agreed. Now that I am out of college I dont have like 10000 hours to find shit. Item mod please. Plus I wanna see people cry just because I have a hacked item on a video game.

[GhoStar]

Burn the barubary! Oooooh, that bought back memories. Anyone still got the URL for that!?


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and those who can't be bothered to play the game the way it was intended, tough ******* ****!

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Dangerous55]

I think its so pathetic people actually spend there lives trying to mess a game up. I mean, go outside, get a job.

[watashiwa]

On 2002-06-13 12:34, Dangerous55 wrote:
I mean, go outside, get a job.



Some do have jobs, I know Barubary for a fact has one.

Reverse engineering, hacking, etc,. is just a hobby for him. It's something he takes pleasure in doing. Sort of like how people like riding a bike or what not. So don't assume he's unemployed just 'cuz he reverse engineered the Dreamcast version and had indirect involvement with the Gamecube version. ^_~

Same can probably be said for the rest of the hackers slash reverse engineers.

[Wewt]

On 2002-06-13 12:27, GhoStar wrote:

Burn the barubary! Oooooh, that bought back memories. Anyone still got the URL for that!?


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and those who can't be bothered to play the game the way it was intended, tough ******* ****!

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



Somebody could say "if you don't like duped items NOL, PK etc...'tough ******* ****!'"

[Greg]

On 2002-06-13 11:33, beatneko wrote:


On 2002-06-13 10:42, DESSYX wrote:
I think we are all forgetting that the majority of cheaters on the Dreamcast version were immature little pussies who couldn't even speak english(and I'm not talking about people from another country).


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/cat.gif Hey! I found one:



On 2002-06-13 11:14, Greg wrote:
Agreed. Now that I am out of college I dont have like 10000 hours to find shit. Item mod please. Plus I wanna see people cry just because I have a hacked item on a video game.




Why do you like to start shit? You alway end up looking like a total bitch.

This pic is dedicated to you little fella
http://www.omegahour.com/greg/Special/fede.jpg



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[GhoStar]

On 2002-06-13 12:44, WWWWWWWWWWWW wrote:


On 2002-06-13 12:27, GhoStar wrote:

Burn the barubary! Oooooh, that bought back memories. Anyone still got the URL for that!?


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and those who can't be bothered to play the game the way it was intended, tough ******* ****!

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



Somebody could say "if you don't like duped items NOL, PK etc...'tough ******* ****!'"

Yeah, they could. And then later on when Sonic Team implements an overnight ban I'd laugh hard at them. Just like I did last time.

[Wewt]

On 2002-06-13 13:13, GhoStar wrote:


On 2002-06-13 12:44, WWWWWWWWWWWW wrote:


On 2002-06-13 12:27, GhoStar wrote:

Burn the barubary! Oooooh, that bought back memories. Anyone still got the URL for that!?


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and those who can't be bothered to play the game the way it was intended, tough ******* ****!

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



Somebody could say "if you don't like duped items NOL, PK etc...'tough ******* ****!'"

Yeah, they could. And then later on when Sonic Team implements an overnight ban I'd laugh hard at them. Just like I did last time.


So, so many people are able to use codes ONLINE...
Their accounts still remain intact, not banned.

[GhoStar]

My point is plenty of people got banned in V2 and didn't come back. Only the ones with the unban code did.

Obviously you weren't around when this happened and half of GSCCC were crying about not being able to go online and contemplating buying another copy.

Sonic Team just gave up and let people continue with it on DC PSO. I doubt they'll let the same happen on this version. Why else put the trial version out?

[watashiwa]

On 2002-06-13 13:25, GhoStar wrote:
Why else put the trial version out?


For testing the service, sexy.

There was a Dreamcast trial version too, it still ended up cheated.

[GhoStar]

Did people cheat on that trial version?

[watashiwa]

On 2002-06-13 13:33, GhoStar wrote:
Did people cheat on that trial version?


Dunno, I wasn't a part of it.

[Wewt]

On 2002-06-13 13:25, GhoStar wrote:
My point is plenty of people got banned in V2 and didn't come back. Only the ones with the unban code did.

Obviously you weren't around when this happened and half of GSCCC were crying about not being able to go online and contemplating buying another copy.


I was around when this happened.


Sonic Team just gave up and let people continue with it on DC PSO. I doubt they'll let the same happen on this version. Why else put the trial version out?


Cheaters will exist whether you like it or not. It's just a matter of time before codes are made available to the cheater.

[GhoStar]

I disagree. Cheating will remain, I don't deny that, just not as big as it was last time. Because:

A), they'll be less people playing
B), I have faith Sonic Team will maintain the servers better
C), I have faith more anti-cheat measures will be enforced. How? I do not know. I have faith they learned their lession and will use this trial version and TAKE NOTE of what's happened.

[Wewt]

Those aren't facts, only what you want/think will happen.

[neko-chan]

On 2002-06-13 12:50, Greg wrote:
ou little fella
http://www.omegahour.com/greg/Special/fede.jpg


AH! This picture is taken from the omegahourassgodsiamfatandretard.com launch party!

Nice pic, Gally, congrats!

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/cat.gif

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[GhoStar]

Those aren't facts, only what you want/think will happen.And I never put them across as facts (possible exception to A, though add-ons never sell). But as you're bringin' it up:

Where's your proof that cheating will go on in this version and that Sonic Team won't find a way to rid it?

...

Exactly. It's speculation. Nothing more and nothing less...

[Zio]

those pictures are pretty offensive.

If they do cheat, leave like 5 months, so I can find a super rare and not know what it is when I tekk it.

[Dain_Bramaged]

(Spoken in usual nature show documentary voice)

The, 'Lame Ass Cheater', indiginous to the North American continent, is a hostile, and stubborn creature. Their low intellect makes them quick to anger, and will attack the less abundant 'Legit' creature upon sight.
Due to being hunted by a pack of creatures higher on the food chain, known as "Sonic Team", the lame ass cheaters have evolved defenses, to protect their ways. There have been many cases in which the Lame Ass Cheater race have overrun grounds inhabited by Legits, and intensive studies show that once you have an infestation of Lame Ass Cheaters, they are extremely difficult to exterminate, and will never abandon former Legit homelands.

The only way to deal with the Lame Ass Cheater and its kin, is to exterminate them before they become too great in number. This process is called the "trial version" http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Over the course of the "trial version", the ones known as "Sonic Team" will have to evolve a new defense against the ravages of the Lame Ass Cheaters, one which they cannot adapt to, and thus will be forced to find another Legit populated area to conquer.

In other words... kill the goddamn smeggin' bastards.

[Greg]

On 2002-06-13 14:50, beatneko wrote:


AH! This picture is taken from the omegahourassgodsiamfatandretard.com launch party!

Nice pic, Gally, congrats!


Could you at least try next time?

[Dangerous55]

On 2002-06-13 12:37, watashiwa wrote:

Some do have jobs, I know Barubary for a fact has one.

Reverse engineering, hacking, etc,. is just a hobby for him. It's something he takes pleasure in doing. Sort of like how people like riding a bike or what not. So don't assume he's unemployed just 'cuz he reverse engineered the Dreamcast version and had indirect involvement with the Gamecube version. ^_~

Same can probably be said for the rest of the hackers slash reverse engineers.



Oh, Im assuming baby.

[watashiwa]

On 2002-06-13 16:01, Dangerous55 wrote:

Oh, Im assuming baby.



Well, then keep assuming, up to you!

[PrinceBrightstar]

some guy on gameshark.com posted that sega will be blocking the GS on Gamecube. not sure how true this'll be

[Wewt]

On 2002-06-13 13:53, GhoStar wrote:
I disagree. Cheating will remain, I don't deny that, just not as big as it was last time. Because:

A), they'll be less people playing
B), I have faith Sonic Team will maintain the servers better
C), I have faith more anti-cheat measures will be enforced. How? I do not know. I have faith they learned their lession and will use this trial version and TAKE NOTE of what's happened.


You're giving reasons WHY there won't be any cheating...
or should I say..."It's speculation."


On 2002-06-13 15:00, GhoStar wrote:

Those aren't facts, only what you want/think will happen.And I never put them across as facts (possible exception to A, though add-ons never sell). But as you're bringin' it up:

Where's your proof that cheating will go on in this version and that Sonic Team won't find a way to rid it?

...

Exactly. It's speculation. Nothing more and nothing less...


Oh and I believe there will be cheating because there is a a certain website that has coders to produce cheat codes for games...

They have a coder that knows alot about PSO. He made alot of codes for previous versions of the game, what's stopping him from doing it again? He's even planned to do it again on GC PSO.

Yes, it's a new game...but it's a game that uses offline saves, not server side. The game won't be perfect... cheating will come. This might not be fact, but the chances of GC PSO being cheat free for good isn't very likely. Maybe a few months at the most...

[shinokou]

I hope that the data from the trial WILL actually be used to combat the cheaters.. and i think cheating devices will somehow be blocked... but we can only HOPE, and THINK... we dont know how lazy sonic team may come out to be! I think that cheating will be more of a minority in GC PSO. Hopefully this turns out to be truth. There is no argument, though, people WILL try as hard as they can to ruin PSO (ruination is how i look at it), and most likley will break through. These are innovative people. It's a shame they waste their talents destroying a great game for the rest of us.

[Wewt]

On 2002-06-13 17:56, shinokou wrote:
These are innovative people. It's a shame they waste their talents destroying a great game for the rest of us.



Yes that's true. But like Wata said they do it because it might be their hobby.
Posting them as codes for the public is a different matter....

[jello44]

On 2002-06-13 15:39, Greg wrote:


On 2002-06-13 14:50, beatneko wrote:


AH! This picture is taken from the omegahourassgodsiamfatandretard.com launch party!

Nice pic, Gally, congrats!


Could you at least try next time?


I think that was the best he could do...

And I'm not surprised there is cheating now. I mean it was inetivable that it was going to happen, I'm even more surprised that it happened so quickly.

[Robert_Garcia]

I think we have our friend's at Interact to blame for this...I mean a lot of people warned them about making a Gameshark for GC,Xbox, etc...yet they did it anyway.

I guess another part of the blame would have to go to the Sonicteam for not encrypting the game...but knowing hackers these days, the encryption wont last very long...

[lugus]

On 2002-06-13 20:41, Robert_Garcia wrote:
I think we have our friend's at Interact to blame for this...I mean a lot of people warned them about making a Gameshark for GC,Xbox, etc...yet they did it anyway.

I guess another part of the blame would have to go to the Sonicteam for not encrypting the game...but knowing hackers these days, the encryption wont last very long...



Huh?How can you blame this on Interact when 1. they haven't released/compleated either GS and 2. this has nothing to do with GS.

[PrinceBrightstar]

i suddenly want to blow up some interact factories. don't any of you?

[DarthWufei]

On 2002-06-13 21:53, Jonathan_F wrote:
i suddenly want to blow up some interact factories. don't any of you?



I'm totally with ya!

[X-thirteen]

On 2002-06-13 08:21, Cube wrote:
THIS IS THE TIME NOW TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THIS.

tell them then, not like they will pay attention to you. they dont care about there customers.

[X-thirteen]

On 2002-06-13 21:59, DarthWufei wrote:


On 2002-06-13 21:53, Jonathan_F wrote:
i suddenly want to blow up some interact factories. don't any of you?



I'm totally with ya!


dumbasses, read barus post again.

[Robert_Garcia]

On 2002-06-13 21:48, lugus wrote:

Huh?How can you blame this on Interact when 1. they haven't released/compleated either GS and 2. this has nothing to do with GS.



They make a cheat devices. I also dont want for forget to mention those other cheat/hack tools. I forgot what they're called though...

[X-thirteen]

On 2002-06-13 22:52, Robert_Garcia wrote:
They make a cheat devices. I also dont want for forget to mention those other cheat/hack tools. I forgot what they're called though...


no cheat devices have been released for gamecube or xbox.

[GhoStar]

Yes, it was speculation, I didn't think I'd need to spell that out for anyone.
Maybe I should have stated that in the first place.

Oh and I believe there will be cheating because there is a a certain website that has coders to produce cheat codes for games...

They have a coder that knows alot about PSO. He made alot of codes for previous versions of the game, what's stopping him from doing it again? He's even planned to do it again on GC PSO.

Yes, it's a new game...but it's a game that uses offline saves, not server side. The game won't be perfect... cheating will come. This might not be fact, but the chances of GC PSO being cheat free for good isn't very likely. Maybe a few months at the most...So no proof or facts to back what you say? A better way to put it is, 'the odds are high that people will cheat in this version,' to which I agree.

[FinalMasterM]

I think everyone is assuming that since we are talking about cheating that we mean the GS in general.

You people need to read Baru's post. He states that he has simply hooked his GC up through his computer and uses it to change the game data being sent and receved.

NO Gameshark is being used.
NO special codes have been released.

So stop pointing fingures at Interact.


Also it is Baru's job as a member of CMGSCCC to make and release GameShark/Pro Action/etc codes as he get them, it is not his fault that complete idiots use them todo harm rather than good.

Cheating is something that was going to happen anyway, I wouldn't of hoped so soon, but how Baru did it is hard for those "idiots" to copy, I'm not really sure how todo it, but I get the basic idea and I'm not jumping down his or Interacts case just because the trial version has been hacked already.

Btw, the GS was "banned" from PSOver2, up until someone (not sure if it was Baru or not) released the enable code (huge ass thing at that) that allowed people to use their GS with PSOver2. So whoever said that GS was blocked from GC PSO, its only a matter of time before that wall is knocked down.

EDIT: Typos are bad, mmmkay.



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[Kent]

On 2002-06-13 21:59, DarthWufei wrote:


On 2002-06-13 21:53, Jonathan_F wrote:
i suddenly want to blow up some interact factories. don't any of you?



I'm totally with ya!



I suddenly think you're both ignorant fools who lack common sense.

[Wewt]

On 2002-06-14 02:33, FinalMasterM wrote:
I think everyone is assuming that since we are talking about cheating that we mean the GS in general.

You people need to read Baru's post. He states that he has simply hooked his GC up through his computer and uses it to change the game data being sent and receved.

NO Gameshark is being used.
NO special codes have been released.



This is how cheating on DC PSO began. He was able to do such things via PC then make it into code form(GS/Xploder/Codebreaker).
So eventually there will be codes...
Like everybody says this is only the beta testing stage, so wait and see what will happen in the final product.


Btw, the GS was "banned" from PSOver2, up until someone (not sure if it was Baru or not) released the enable code (huge ass thing at that) that allowed people to use their GS with PSOver2. So whoever said that GS was blocked from GC PSO, its only a matter of time before that wall is knocked down.



GS was totally unusable on Ver.2. BUT that was for the Dreamcast. Nobody knows what will happen on the GameCube.

Ghostar, nice of you to finally agree cheating will take place on GC PSO.

[Mag_Launcher]

I don't care what they do. If it gets me badass weapons sooner or lets me equip unusable weapons, then hell yeah! But, for one thing...

They best fix that no bank withdraw/invisible inventory/bank or bust offline bullshit. This may stop duping and all... but INNOCENT people get screwed up the asses by the f***ing technicalities.

"No offline bullshit, or no buy." Is what I say.

[Parn]

On 2002-06-13 22:04, X-thirteen wrote:

tell them then, not like they will pay attention to you. they dont care about there customers.



If that's the case, then what makes you think they'd do a full featured port for Xbox? Fucking idiot.

[Sedyne]

On 2002-06-13 03:33, LuvSlave wrote:
Was just looking in the cmgsccc forums noticed a post by Barubary, seems theres already level 200's and item modding going on.

Here's the thread if anyones intrested

http://cmgsccc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=d01a06adde3ceaa0b1b34fd85b4ed8c2&threadid=28965




[Edit]

Just to let people know this is as much sonic teams fault as it is the cheaters, there cheating because sonic team haven't changed the server protacol even after barubary worked it out in v1 they went ahead and used it in v2, pc and now GC. i just hope that sonic team changes the protacol in the final version.



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all i have to say is HA F***ING HA. =) Sorry but hackers can be funny ass people. For instance. i know of a few hackers "on this forum" that don't disclose the information about themsevles but actually they are quite entertaing twhne they dupe monomates and fill the ship with em lol. "what a waste of time" but you all knew it would happen. the only thing that really pisses me off about hackjers,.,.....is the whiney bitches that keep complaining about em. LIVE WITH IT!. I mean Watashiwa knows what i'm talkin about right =) teheheheheheh anyways =) i do feel sorry for yo all who were hoping for a clean game. i still am hopegin for one. however i know it won't happen cuz santa' clause is a d***Khead. =) but either way. I JUST HOPE THEY BLOCK TK/CK/PK/ NOl and all that monkey shit. =) me go bye bye now. Peace Out

Much Love
Sed. =) these pills make me say to much i seem so much happier Fkjahsdkash weeeeeeee


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[Greg]

On 2002-06-14 09:34, Parn wrote:


On 2002-06-13 22:04, X-thirteen wrote:

tell them then, not like they will pay attention to you. they dont care about there customers.



If that's the case, then what makes you think they'd do a full featured port for Xbox? Fucking idiot.



Because they do care about the bottom line?

[Parn]

On 2002-06-14 10:57, Greg wrote:

Because they do care about the bottom line?



Great, then you agree with me. The whole "Sonic Team doesn't care about their customers" crapola gets really old.

[Wewt]

Most people know that ST did actually work to make the servers clean before.
This is probably the 3rd time I've said this on these message boards....they worked to make the servers cheat free. What happens? a code comes out, patched within a week, another code comes out.
ST decided to be smart and dropped it, save money and make some half decent quests to play that are fun.
Hate them all you want...they made a game for you that was fun to play, most of you are still playing it after one and a half years.

[spawn]

cheaters have no place in life, they are lower than common criminals. That's my motto, if the cheating keeps up, no more PSO GC for me.

[StryderPSO]

On 2002-06-13 17:56, shinokou wrote:
These are innovative people. It's a shame they waste their talents destroying a great game for the rest of us.



that is the most insightfull thing i have ever heard on this board and I feel the same way.




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[Greg]

On 2002-06-14 11:17, Parn wrote:


On 2002-06-14 10:57, Greg wrote:

Because they do care about the bottom line?



Great, then you agree with me. The whole "Sonic Team doesn't care about their customers" crapola gets really old.



Actually I don't. I think they only care about the bottom line.

[Greg]

On 2002-06-14 16:06, StryderPSO wrote:




On 2002-06-13 17:56, shinokou wrote:
These are innovative people. It's a shame they waste their talents destroying a great game for the rest of us.



that is the most insightfull thing i have ever heard on this board and I feel the same way.




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Wanna Twin Brand?

[Mag_Launcher]

Wanna Twin Brand?

And that had ANY damn relevance to what we're talking about whatsoever?

[GhoStar]

Why hasn't Baru just moved onto another online game to plague and ruin with cheat codes he writes and passes onto others to take responsibility for?

Such a waste that he already spent so much time on the original (a game he very rarely played, just came online to show off some new skin and do some dumb tricks impress the weak-minded). Heck, I stopped playing because of all that password-break NOL crap, and now he wants to bring that over to this version?

I'll be really dissapointed if ST doesn't take proper precautions so that they can actually do something about all this when it starts to F' up the whole online experience and people stop playing. And what about that code he wrote that could track someone's ISP details and Hunter's License? That kinda stuff's just wrong. Let the game be played the way the developers intended! Is it that hard to do!?! Sheeesh!

Surely FFXI would provide much more of a challenge. Instead he'll no doubt insist he's doing it to help Sonic Team, like he tried using as an excuse last time. He always said he wanted to work for Square, so why not crack their game... oh, I forgot, Square had to shut down their Hawaii location, didn't they?

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sojo]

The main reason I cheated a couple of times was because I got tired of playing for hundreds of hours and finding FUCK-ALL rare weapons...
I mean, 5 characters playing for ages, and only 2 rare weapons found!!
It just gets depressing...

Thankfully I've heard that PSO GC has increased the frequency at which you find rare weapons, so there should be no real need for cheating to get them anymore...

[GhoStar]

The main reason I cheated a couple of times was because I got tired of playing for hundreds of hours and finding FUCK-ALL rare weapons...That's why they're called 'rare' weapons, and why the game's developers implemented them as such. It always makes me laugh when people moan and bitch that rare weapons aren't common enough (defeating the purpose and over-plaguing games with over-powered weapons).

[Ziggy-san]

Oopaa! I just thought of a great idea, everyone!

What if in the final version, they would allow multiple monitors to be set up for offline multiplayer, like four TVs or something, and...and...

...*sweatdrop*

OK, bad idea, but still, good concept don't you think? Guys...?

[X-thirteen]

On 2002-06-14 07:48, Mag_Launcher wrote:
I don't care what they do. If it gets me badass weapons sooner or lets me equip unusable weapons, then hell yeah!

then you joined the wrong forum.
psow is anti cheater/hackers

[DarthWufei]

Indeed. People need to learn how to play games as they should be played. I really don't see where the fun is in causing "grief" in other players. Oh well, even if the GC version is cheated to hell. I'll still play, and play how I want to. I will not let a few idiots ruin my time AND my money.

[Mag_Launcher]

Blah blah blah, yeah heard it all before... Yeah, I cheated in PSO. Yeah, but i didn't do stupid h4x0r shit, I was just a normal player with exotic weapons. Besides... my style was to kick ass... and look good while doing it!

[X-thirteen]

On 2002-06-14 19:01, Mag_Launcher wrote:
Blah blah blah, yeah heard it all before... Yeah, I cheated in PSO. Yeah, but i didn't do stupid h4x0r shit, I was just a normal player with exotic weapons. Besides... my style was to kick ass... and look good while doing it!


well you wont get many friends here, even if you are a nice person, if u do such things.

[Mag_Launcher]

I've had many, regardless of cheating standpoint, thank you very much.

[VariantXL]

I could care less if they go around hackin items and levels since it only hurts themselves, and ruins the experience but I belive hopefully that the safeguards placed in E1&E2 will be good enough to keep hacking out of the game or at least malicious hacking.

[Ina]

On 2002-06-14 22:54, VariantXL wrote:
I could care less if they go around hackin items and levels since it only hurts themselves, and ruins the experience but I belive hopefully that the safeguards placed in E1&E2 will be good enough to keep hacking out of the game or at least malicious hacking.



Agree, as long as people wont go round NOL, etc me, they can get as many weapon as they want, get lv200 at start etc. I dont care if im gonna b the weakest one online, that the best rare ill find is a varista, i still get the best out of the game

[rbf2000]

On 2002-06-14 16:32, GhoStar wrote:
Why hasn't Baru just moved onto another online game to plague and ruin with cheat codes he writes and passes onto others to take responsibility for?

Barubary didn't do anything with the GCN version. He just cracked the code for the previous versions of PSO, and gave that information away. How was he to know that they would use the same encryption as before. He didn't do any of the actuall hacking of the game.

[X-thirteen]

On 2002-06-14 23:08, rbf2000 wrote:


On 2002-06-14 16:32, GhoStar wrote:
Why hasn't Baru just moved onto another online game to plague and ruin with cheat codes he writes and passes onto others to take responsibility for?

Barubary didn't do anything with the GCN version. He just cracked the code for the previous versions of PSO, and gave that information away. How was he to know that they would use the same encryption as before. He didn't do any of the actuall hacking of the game.


thats what baru said, just seems like too many people cannot read english correctly.

[QueenBee]

My biggest concern in regards 2 cheating is 4 ST to just make sure we cant be NOLed, our passwords being broken into, CK, PK, things of that nature. Those are things we cant control, if some1 breaks your password, and PK's every1 playing, that really fuckin pisses me off. With the weapons and items and such, you can choose 2 accept a hacked/duped weapon from some1. So i dont think thats a HUGE problem. If u are playing with friends that have hacked weaps, just ask them not 2, if they are real friends, they will use a regular weapon. Also, who ever said that playing 4 tons of hours and not finding shit can get u down, was totally correct. Im glad some people wanna use a Vulcan+9 for 3 months, but i dont, rares are made 2 be found, not be a mystery if they even are really in the game. So bottom line...Make sure no PK,CK,NOL,etc...

[BrokenHope]

On 2002-06-14 18:39, X-thirteen wrote:


On 2002-06-14 07:48, Mag_Launcher wrote:
I don't care what they do. If it gets me badass weapons sooner or lets me equip unusable weapons, then hell yeah!

then you joined the wrong forum.
psow is anti cheater/hackers



Is it really? odd i know for a fact alot of the people here cheat, mod items etc. So either you have your eyes closed and haven't seen it or your just not that bright.

If we actually had a poll of who cheated here, or had modded items i know for a fact the number of legits would be extreamely low.

[Greg]

On 2002-06-15 01:57, LuvSlave wrote:


On 2002-06-14 18:39, X-thirteen wrote:


On 2002-06-14 07:48, Mag_Launcher wrote:
I don't care what they do. If it gets me badass weapons sooner or lets me equip unusable weapons, then hell yeah!

then you joined the wrong forum.
psow is anti cheater/hackers



Is it really? odd i know for a fact alot of the people here cheat, mod items etc. So either you have your eyes closed and haven't seen it or your just not that bright.

If we actually had a poll of who cheated here, or had modded items i know for a fact the number of legits would be extreamely low.



no, because everyone lies about it.

[BrokenHope]

On 2002-06-15 02:10, Greg wrote:


On 2002-06-15 01:57, LuvSlave wrote:


On 2002-06-14 18:39, X-thirteen wrote:


On 2002-06-14 07:48, Mag_Launcher wrote:
I don't care what they do. If it gets me badass weapons sooner or lets me equip unusable weapons, then hell yeah!

then you joined the wrong forum.
psow is anti cheater/hackers



Is it really? odd i know for a fact alot of the people here cheat, mod items etc. So either you have your eyes closed and haven't seen it or your just not that bright.

If we actually had a poll of who cheated here, or had modded items i know for a fact the number of legits would be extreamely low.



no, because everyone lies about it.



You're right they do http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

[GhoStar]

Barubary didn't do anything with the GCN version. He just cracked the code for the previous versions of PSO, and gave that information away. How was he to know that they would use the same encryption as before. He didn't do any of the actuall hacking of the game. I know that Baru had nothing to do with cheating on this trial version; nothing to do with my reading. He just does all the dirty work and passes it onto others (like the password break). Though GSCCC have stated that they plan to hack and cheat in the final GC version not sure whether that means the import - probably does), and will probably attempt to make it as bad/if not worse than the DC versions. So unless Baru stops contributing to the GSCCC then he'll probably remain the ring-leader.

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[NiGHTS]

On 2002-06-14 16:48, Sojo wrote:
The main reason I cheated a couple of times was because I got tired of playing for hundreds of hours and finding FUCK-ALL rare weapons...
I mean, 5 characters playing for ages, and only 2 rare weapons found!!
It just gets depressing...


Well in that case you're a fucking loser for playing a game you're bored with. Why don't you try a different game you delinquent.

I know that some people (the one's that are really shit at games) have to cheat and use gameshark but can't you use it on other games.... it seems the ONLY game most people cheat on is the one that will annoy everyone else by cheating. If you say you cheat 'cus your bored of PSO then thats obviously a pile of crap because you would be playing a different game in that case. Get a job you delinquent cheaters, maybe then you could afford a different game to play.

Hopefully the cheaters, most of whom without jobs or girlfriends, won't be able to afford to shell out for a GameCube, modem, keyboard and game and will stay on the Dreamcast version. I presume many of the gay clans (ie. GUK) won't be getting GameCube (they say the cube is not cool enough for them and they will be sticking with PS2, meaning they're free to fuck up Tony Hawks 3.... aaah well)



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[Malkavian]

CK, NOL, PK, etc... aren't worst codes than dupe, item mod.

is true sonic team should change a bit the rare system. Not exactly easier to find a specific rare, but yes easier to find something.
In PSO it looks like rares appear depnding the odds of the enemy have to drop the rare.
It would be cool if they add at some nº hours, like 100, 1000, 2000 make a big rare appear. That wouldnt make rare items more common. But it will make people have something to look for, and the knowing of I'll do find a RARE!!!

But find a specicifc rare will be as hard as PSO in DC,also there are so many more rares. Find 3 in 2000 hours won't be 2 much, but then comes trading to get the items you want

[Mag_Launcher]

Start from level 200? I'm not THAT damn retarded. sure, i may max out my stats and use superpowerful weapon, but my god that is a stupid thing to do. Starting off at the highest level defeats the whole damn purpose. So friggin what if i cheat? I don't mess with no one, I don't take a spread into a game and jack exp from people who need it, I'm just a support player with flashy weapons.

[Ina]

Actually, some Japanese sites said that doing the following will increase teh rate of rare drop:
-Singing a particular japanese song that i dunno of during ur search for rare
-Completeing all the offline quests in all difficulties(argh)
-How long uve spend in the game
-Clearing all the rooms in every area helps(ie every single room in forest, cave, mine, and ruins)
-Using rare weapon to open boxes -_-; rare attracts rares, they said
-Never think of finding rare when u r actually looking for rares(i know this one wont make any sense, but i dunno how to word it)
-Making a team(online) that praise sonic team will help XD

Sowwie for going off topic..... >_<;;

[Malkavian]

On 2002-06-15 09:18, Ina wrote:
Actually, some Japanese sites said that doing the following will increase teh rate of rare drop:
-Singing a particular japanese song that i dunno of during ur search for rare
-Completeing all the offline quests in all difficulties(argh)
-How long uve spend in the game
-Clearing all the rooms in every area helps(ie every single room in forest, cave, mine, and ruins)
-Using rare weapon to open boxes -_-; rare attracts rares, they said
-Never think of finding rare when u r actually looking for rares(i know this one wont make any sense, but i dunno how to word it)
-Making a team(online) that praise sonic team will help XD

Sowwie for going off topic..... >_<;;



The remarked ones are the only true. The others is specualtion and 99.9% sure false.
Singing a song.... pray.... rare attratct rare....do all quests.... nice imagination hehe

[Mag_Launcher]

Not think of rares to get them? The game's not friggin psychic, you know. For all I know, I could be thinking of the large, shapely boobs of my HUnewearl teammate and still not find rares.

[Malkavian]

Man if u think in finding rares and you don't find you get so pissed and don't want to play more.
If you play for other things like lv up, have fun, you won't get pissed if you don't find and think oh well another time will be.
The game isn't psychic but our wanting to play it, yes

[Mag_Launcher]

If I don't find a rare, I don't get mad... I go lobby begging! I'm like notorious for that shit.

[Ina]

Those r what some japanese said, not me making em up, i just translated em and post em here.

Rares are hard to find i know, the best rare i found in v2 is a Soul Banish(with negative% on somethin). I did cheated in PSO v1/2, not with a cheat device, i use cheated weapons my friend gave me(not all 60% wep, nor is 180% wep, just a normal rare with normal %ages).I remember my 1st time online, when the best weapon ppl can offer me is a varista, its crap, but at least thats a 'hard'-earned-weapon of someone, instead of a cheated-no-effort-required-weapon. I just dont remember when did everyone(may b me as well) have turned into some sorta rare freaks. Just try to remember when the 1st time u found a rare(9stars special weapon), i dunno bout everyone, but im veeeeeery happy, and was telling everyone i know that i found a varista offline, even though im alrdy using a lavis cannon(cheated), but the joy that comes with the rare that u found after 1000 times into the ruins is different from the joy of getting rares from a cheat device. Not to mention the joy of reaching lv100 in v2(argh, then my dc broke, so my max lv is 102, at least i can wear the cheapest ring http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)



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[spawn]

Guys, let mag launcher be, he was a pain in the behind to play with in the original PSO, he used to cry and call you a thief if you got a material that he had in front of him before he could press the "a" button. He used to get angry if you found a rare in a game he was in..... hardly the type of person you'd want to play with.

[Ina]

Cheating isnt wrong, unless he/she harms someone, if the only person u r gonna harm is the cheater him/herself, then let him/her cheat as much as he/she wants. Its always good to have friends that cheated so u can try some of the rares, as long as u dont keep the cheated weapon(s), and yea im planning on sticking with any cheap rares i'll find in epi1&2 instead of begging for a cheated high atk weapon.(i remember playing with teh kitty claws my friend lent me which ill nvr b able to find it myself. argh, it suited my cute lil hunewearl, just need a tail to accompany it, then ill b a cat girl)

[Mag_Launcher]

Yeah, original PSO, lol. Look at me now! I don't whine about that shit no more. And in v2, is was friggin blingin' until I was banned. Believe me, I'm better to play with now.

[Wewt]

On 2002-06-15 04:45, GhoStar wrote:

Barubary didn't do anything with the GCN version. He just cracked the code for the previous versions of PSO, and gave that information away. How was he to know that they would use the same encryption as before. He didn't do any of the actuall hacking of the game. I know that Baru had nothing to do with cheating on this trial version; nothing to do with my reading. He just does all the dirty work and passes it onto others (like the password break). Though GSCCC have stated that they plan to hack and cheat in the final GC version not sure whether that means the import - probably does), and will probably attempt to make it as bad/if not worse than the DC versions. So unless Baru stops contributing to the GSCCC then he'll probably remain the ring-leader.



The guy makes codes and distributes them, so what?
Read this..

We can sit here all day long debating who's fault it was for the current state of PSO on the Dreamcast. The main problem I see with this kinds of debate is that people tends to draw a line between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". This isn't always the case. GSCCC makes codes, that's what they do, that is part of their business. There are no "bad guys" in this. SEGA is making an honest living and GSCCC is making an honest living. Therefore, this debate isn't going to get anywhere. Isn't cheating the reason why people buy those cheating devices in the first place? Isn't it SEGA's responsibility to patch up their servers? Everyone knew there was already cheating in PSO Version 2 before it even came out. They got it anyways. Why? Because they, like myself, though SEGA was going to patch things up. It's a draw between GSCCC and SEGA. Both of them are only making an honest living.

This was a post by someone on the GC trial being cheated.

[Greg]

On 2002-06-15 10:28, Mag_Launcher wrote:
Yeah, original PSO, lol. Look at me now! I don't whine about that shit no more.


You bitch and moan more then a 3 year old in all of your 50 some posts.

[Greg]

On 2002-06-15 05:54, NiGHTS wrote:Well in that case you're a fucking loser for playing a game you're bored with. Why don't you try a different game you delinquent.

Perhaps he wants to experance more things in a game he already has?



I know that some people (the one's that are really shit at games) have to cheat and use gameshark...

Finding rares has nothing to do with skill. Unless you can control the random number generated by the console that determines the item drop.



but can't you use it on other games.... it seems the ONLY game most people cheat on is the one that will annoy everyone else by cheating.

you only say this because it's what you see. There are pleanty more games with codes other then PSO.



If you say you cheat 'cus your bored of PSO then thats obviously a pile of crap because you would be playing a different game in that case. Get a job you delinquent cheaters, maybe then you could afford a different game to play.

Comments such as this only make yourself look bad.



Hopefully the cheaters, most of whom without jobs or girlfriends, won't be able to afford to shell out for a GameCube, modem, keyboard and game and will stay on the Dreamcast version. I presume many of the gay clans (ie. GUK) won't be getting GameCube (they say the cube is not cool enough for them and they will be sticking with PS2, meaning they're free to fuck up Tony Hawks 3.... aaah well)


riiiiiiiiight...



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[Ina]

mmm...dont bother bout him plz..... let him cheat as much as he wants, as long as he doesnt pk, ck, NOL and stuffs, let him cheats, he's harming himself, not anyone. If he got bored of pso(coz he alrdy found everything with GS(?)) and quit playing the game, then we'll have one less cheater online, which should b better, no? or will he turns into one of those i-will-ruined-the-game-for-everyone-coz-the-cheat-device-has-ruined-mine-person?

[NiGHTS]

On 2002-06-15 12:39, Greg wrote:
Perhaps he wants to experance more things in a game he already has?


Why can't he experience more things in OTHER games he already has? Why does he have to choose the only game that by cheating annoys other people?

[GhoStar]

The guy makes codes and distributes them, so what?So what? I think its immoral and don't agree with it in any way shape or form.

But what if I want to whine and bitch about him and others doing so?

What if it deteriorates the gaming experience for me and leads to people (like me) getting PKed and NOLed all over again?

Hey look!, I can say "so what" too!

People can sit here and at GSCCC and try and justify cheating all they what, I still hate the idea and think it's wrong. I still disagree with it and prefered the game 10-fold when it first came out and there was no cheating at all.

People try and blame Sonic Team for not doing anything against it, why should they have to? They didn't spend hours trying to think up ways to corrupt the game, they just put it out.

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[Greg]

On 2002-06-15 13:33, GhoStar wrote:

The guy makes codes and distributes them, so what?So what? I think its immoral and don't agree with it in any way shape or form.

But what if I want to whine and bitch about him and others doing so?

What if it deteriorates the gaming experience for me and leads to people (like me) getting PKed and NOLed all over again?

Hey look!, I can say "so what" too!

People can sit here and at GSCCC and try and justify cheating all they what, I still hate the idea and think it's wrong. I still disagree with it and prefered the game 10-fold when it first came out and there was no cheating at all.

People try and blame Sonic Team for not doing anything against it, why should they have to? They didn't spend hours trying to think up ways to corrupt the game, they just put it out.

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CMGSCCC did not create nor distribute PK NOL or any of the damaging codes. They also will ban you from posting them on their boards, I fail to see the connection.

[Greg]

On 2002-06-15 13:27, NiGHTS wrote:
Why can't he experience more things in OTHER games he already has? Why does he have to choose the only game that by cheating annoys other people?


Some people like to cheat because they enjoy seeing people like you make such a big fucking deal about it. PSOW was targeted by pkers and nolers because of people like you. THey knew that causing some havok on puck9 would generate a bunch of posts here. I for one never made a big deal about it and I was never PKed or Noled once.

[Vitamin_D]

Some people like to cheat because they enjoy seeing people like you make such a big fucking deal about it.



EXACTLY. I was waiting for something like this. This is the main reason it got so bad. Not only that, but I also have never been PKed and Noled and what not. Why? Because I know who to play with...sure, you'll want to play with new friends, but the way the PSO world is it's the safest way to go.

[GhoStar]

CMGSCCC did not create nor distribute PK NOL or any of the damaging codes. They also will ban you from posting them on their boards, I fail to see the connection.
It was Barubary who made the password break code but constantly hid behind the admin of the site (Codemaster or something like that). And it's not suprising that out of the 4 or so games I had broke into that the person came in threatening to PK. I'm not saying the two are linked but people are getting the codes from somewhere.

They obviously have a nice 'we didn't pull the trigger' like approach going on over there. Still, people will continue to align them with the "bad" side of PSO, whether that's true or not.

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[Greg]

passbreak != NOL/PK.

There are plenty of sites on the web where you can get these codes if you do a little bit of digging. None of them are the CMGSCCC. If you are going to place blame do it in the right place.

[KodiaX987]

Okay.


FUCK THE CHEATERS!!!

There! This should be generalized enough to hit at least one true bad guy. Problem solved! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



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[GhoStar]

passbreak != NOL/PK.

There are plenty of sites on the web where you can get these codes if you do a little bit of digging. None of them are the CMGSCCC. If you are going to place blame do it in the right place.No, but password break, IMO, is as bad as either of the above.

So it's not Barubary != whole of CMGSCCC!

Good, glad I got that cleared up...

[BaronLaw]

This news does not surprise me in the least. Previous versions of PSO demonstrated that a considerable number of people preferred cheating as opposed to playing within the parameters set by Sonic Team. Hopefully the cheating, especially item creation, can be minimized.

BaronLaw

[Wewt]

On 2002-06-15 14:02, Greg wrote:


On 2002-06-15 13:33, GhoStar wrote:

The guy makes codes and distributes them, so what?So what? I think its immoral and don't agree with it in any way shape or form.

But what if I want to whine and bitch about him and others doing so?

What if it deteriorates the gaming experience for me and leads to people (like me) getting PKed and NOLed all over again?

Hey look!, I can say "so what" too!

People can sit here and at GSCCC and try and justify cheating all they what, I still hate the idea and think it's wrong. I still disagree with it and prefered the game 10-fold when it first came out and there was no cheating at all.

People try and blame Sonic Team for not doing anything against it, why should they have to? They didn't spend hours trying to think up ways to corrupt the game, they just put it out.



CMGSCCC did not create nor distribute PK NOL or any of the damaging codes. They also will ban you from posting them on their boards, I fail to see the connection.



Greg, thank you for clearing that up.

It's true, CMGSCCC DO ban people for posting harmful techniques/codes used on PSO.

The thing that got to me was that Sonic Team gave up, the tried for a while then gave up. They also don't care as much for non-Japan players. This is shown in the lobby counter, if you set your language on Japanese, there is more info, more up to date info. They should be prepared for such things. They are prepared for cheating on GC PSO are they not?
This is the same reason why a country has a military...they shouldn't need to be afraid of being attacked do they? But they have one nonetheless.
But what I do believe is, I pay money I earn for a game to play in peace, not for someone to spoil it for me, I reserve the right to have that.

[Wewt]

On 2002-06-15 18:12, GhoStar wrote:

passbreak != NOL/PK.

There are plenty of sites on the web where you can get these codes if you do a little bit of digging. None of them are the CMGSCCC. If you are going to place blame do it in the right place.No, but password break, IMO, is as bad as either of the above.

So it's not Barubary != whole of CMGSCCC!

Good, glad I got that cleared up...


It's true that Barubary released the password break code. It's also true he helped fix that problem.

[GhoStar]

He did that, how?

If he wanted to help, not labouring over the code in the first place would be a good place to start. Even better, don't give it away to others.

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[Wewt]

On 2002-06-16 08:54, GhoStar wrote:
He did that, how?

He sent ST info on how to patch the code, maybe I'll get off my lazy ass and go on CMGSCCC and look for that particular thread. Maybe..


If he wanted to help, not labouring over the code in the first place would be a good place to start. Even better, don't give it away to others.

I believe CMGSCCC make money by receiving revenue from advertisers. Those companies will give them money because alot of people see CMGSCCC's website, in the hope people will visit the advertising companies website.
That's called WORK since Barubary is a CMGSCCC coder.

Oh and this has been stated before...Barubary or any CMGSCCC coder gave out a harmful code on their website. It's true he was the one that enabled it all by offering codes in the first place. Just remember he wasn't the one that would go around and PK, NOL and such. Don't blame a single person, go and find those that did the harm and name those.....blame them.

[Malkavian]

That's true is more fault of the users and sonic team for failing against cheating.

[Kenks23]

I don't like cheating. Make it go away. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/eviltongue.gif

[Malkavian]

On 2002-06-16 09:57, Kenks23 wrote:
I don't like cheating. Make it go away. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/eviltongue.gif


You have a brain in good conditions http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[GhoStar]

He sent ST info on how to patch the code, maybe I'll get off my lazy ass and go on CMGSCCC and look for that particular thread. Maybe..Don't bother. I actually wanted you to post what you just did.

I was around when Baru used to try and post here explaining his actions and what his next code would be. I remember him supposedly e-mailing them how to patch it, after the long debate of whether it should be released or not. Whether they took his advice or just caught on somewhere in betweem we'll never know.
I believe CMGSCCC make money by receiving revenue from advertisers. Those companies will give them money because alot of people see CMGSCCC's website, in the hope people will visit the advertising companies website.
That's called WORK since Barubary is a CMGSCCC coder.The site CMGSCC I have very few problems with. They release some codes which I don't agree with, but of course they're just trying to make money.
Oh and this has been stated before...Barubary or any CMGSCCC coder gave out a harmful code on their website. It's true he was the one that enabled it all by offering codes in the first place. Just remember he wasn't the one that would go around and PK, NOL and such. Don't blame a single person, go and find those that did the harm and name those.....blame them.What's an addict without a dealer? Nothing.

I blame the people who made these codes and they're as bad as the cheaters themselves. Baru included. I'll admit I made the mistake of pinning CMGSCCC with him, which is not the case and unfair on CMGSCCC.

But let's not be stupid and think that the only codes Barubary releases, creates and has anything to do with are put on CMGSCCC. He's an infamous cheater that most people on PSO know of (maybe he gets a kick out of that). He often commented on here and made references to him working on other codes (warning us of a code soon to be released that he'd worked on and someone else will soon release). He also admits to passing on information to others (like with the trial version), which I don't agree with. He's as bad as the people who make a gun, put the bullet inside and let someone else pull the trigger.

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[Wewt]

On 2002-06-16 10:11, GhoStar wrote:
Don't bother. I actually wanted you to post what you just did.
You ask me a question and I'll be kind enough to answer it.


I blame the people who made these codes (the suppliers). Baru included. I'll admit I made the mistake of pinning CMGSCCC with him, which is not the case and unfair on CMGSCCC.

Not all codes are not harmful, some are fun to use, even helpful. Go and maybe try for yourself. Maybe you might even enjoy using them. If you have tried then ignore that statement.


But let's not be stupid and think that the only codes Barubary releases, creates and has anything to do with are put on CMGSCCC. He's an infamous cheater that most people on PSO know of (maybe he gets a kick out of that). He often commented on here and made references to him working on other codes (warning us of a code soon to be released that he'd worked on and someone else will soon release). He also admits to passing on information to others (like with the trial version), which I don't agree with. He's as bad as the people who make a gun, put the bullet inside and let someone else pull the trigger.

Also remember again that you the customer pay money to play on Sonic Teams servers. It's their responsibility that the servers remain safe to play on.
I'm not saying Barubary is innocent of damaging PSO, he is guilty of it, there are many.



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[Mindshare]

At the end of the day, it's a pretty basic equation. The problems with PSO are down to two simple things:

1. Greed
2. Ego

Ego, because the people who make the codes have big egos. They want people to look at them in awe and admiration. They want to be the magic holders of the knowledge and heroes to thousands of twelve year olds everywhere. Making codes, boasting about them and then releasing them satisfies their need for attention. But then when people abuse the codes and ruin the game, they want to be able to run for the hills, and blame Sonic Team for making the game in the first place.

Ego, because the people who use codes have big egos. They want to be able to impress their friends by fsodding a whole lobby of people. They want to be able to shove their new toys in peoples faces by breaking into their games and shouting "look at me, aren't I clever". They want to feel superior by PKing people over and over again and stealing their hard earned items because it replaces whatever they have emotionally lacking in their own lives.

Greed, because these people have no patience. They are a product of an "I want it now" society. They don't want to have to work for something, or perhaps even accept the realisation that they may never obtain it. Why bother when you can have all the weapons in the game from the moment you start a new character. But then once they've hacked all the weapons for themselves and their friends, what is left? There is no game any more. What else can they do? Oh wait, they can get their fun by fsodding, by cking, by pking and by stealing. Of course if you're selfish and you don't care about other people, that's a lot more fun than playing the game you bought. Isn't it?

M.

[GhoStar]

They want to be the magic holders of the knowledge and heroes to thousands of twelve year olds everywhere. That I see all the time!

If you go to the GSCCC forum you'll hear everyone refer to Barubary as a hacker (not a reverse engineer) and they're deluded enough to think they themselves are hackers by putting codes into a cheat device.

And it irks me how they make it into a war of CMGSCCC Vs. Sega, when Sega probably outsource the server maintanence and don't have nearly the amount of time to do patches 24/7.

[Zio]

I would be fine with barubary if he just released character altering cheats and not dupe/item mod codes. I dont care about super stats, inf hp, inf tp, or even the mag feeding codes. I care about the item mod and duping codes that have ruined the game.

[Jason]

On 2002-06-16 13:06, Zio wrote:
I would be fine with barubary if he just released character altering cheats and not dupe/item mod codes. I dont care about super stats, inf hp, inf tp, or even the mag feeding codes. I care about the item mod and duping codes that have ruined the game.



So you don't care about anybody with super stats from cheat devices. What if you see a player make 10 000 damage in one attack with bare hands huh? Your satified with that? I don't really care with duping as long as if a weapon is legit. Making own weapons instead of finding one can ruin the surprise of other players in online. Example: "Looka me! I'm using Lavis Blade!"

[Zio]

On 2002-06-16 13:35, Jason wrote:


On 2002-06-16 13:06, Zio wrote:
I would be fine with barubary if he just released character altering cheats and not dupe/item mod codes. I dont care about super stats, inf hp, inf tp, or even the mag feeding codes. I care about the item mod and duping codes that have ruined the game.



So you don't care about anybody with super stats from cheat devices. What if you see a player make 10 000 damage in one attack with bare hands huh? Your satified with that? I don't really care with duping as long as if a weapon is legit. Making own weapons instead of finding one can ruin the surprise of other players in online. Example: "Looka me! I'm using Lavis Blade!"



I dont care how much damage someone does, what I care about is seeing everyone with the same damn weapons. Rares being no longer "rare".

[Wewt]

Item mod is a character altering code.

Item mod/dupe does more damage the PSO online community that the stuff that directly harms a character such as NOL. As for PK, I couldn't care less about it now. At first I thought PK would simply stop because of battle mode. How I was wrong..It stopped because people were unable to do it on v2 that easily. I doubt it will get around much on GC because you don't drop weapons when you die.

There is a question I'd like to know on GC PSO...where are the auto save points? If there isn't any in a game room, then that eliminates the possibility of NOL overwriting your character. If a NOL code even develops on GC PSO.





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[Greg]

On 2002-06-16 12:22, GhoStar wrote:

They want to be the magic holders of the knowledge and heroes to thousands of twelve year olds everywhere. That I see all the time!

If you go to the GSCCC forum you'll hear everyone refer to Barubary as a hacker (not a reverse engineer) and they're deluded enough to think they themselves are hackers by putting codes into a cheat device.

And it irks me how they make it into a war of CMGSCCC Vs. Sega, when Sega probably outsource the server maintanence and don't have nearly the amount of time to do patches 24/7.


Techincally he did hack the code, as well as segas servers.

[Shrevn]

Keep in mind that being legit and cheating its all in your opinion.
When people only cheated on weapons and items on pso things were rather good...
Eversince the PK/ck/fsod and last but not least RSOD came to pso everything just started to crumble...

[Mindshare]

What amuses me, is that most of the code kiddies who use item-mod, do so to impress other people with their 'cool' weapons.

The stupid thing about this, is it actually achieves completely the opposite effect. When was the last time anyone impressed you by pulling out a 180% spread needle? It just doesn't happen, because everyone has one.

But, if you were on the trial, you would know that when you see someone carrying a weapon you haven't seen before - that's when you're impressed (and curious). Mainly because no-one else you've met had one, and you know they've earned it legitmately.

However blindingly obvious this may seem, some people will never understand it.

M.

[Mag_Launcher]

no one's impressed by it because it's a purple crossbow. People wanna see shiz like Yasminkov 9200M, THAT is a guaranteed impress weapon. (Yasminkov 7000V and 2000H work, too.)

[Ina]

People aren't trying to impress someone with a v1 rare(spread needle) in v2. They only care about the exp, if anyone is amazed by a cheat weapon that is already common to everyone("the purple crossbow" as mag launcher refer to it as), then I'll b LMAO
. Its true that I will b impress by someone actually bother to cheat a rocket punch, or somethin V2 and non-spread. And for epi1&2, of coz we'll b amazed by the new rares, mushashi is sooooooooooooo cool.... >_<

[GhoStar]

no one's impressed by it because it's a purple crossbow. People wanna see shiz like Yasminkov 9200M, THAT is a guaranteed impress weapon. (Yasminkov 7000V and 2000H work, too.)Yeah, and to think if you actually found one of those and item modding/duping wasn't around - then walked into a game where everyone hadn't already owned 4 and have 2 back-up in the bank, then it would be even more impressive...

[Javier_Von_Fenrir]

I can't believe after two Ruined Games Sonic Team still hasn't made PSO cheat Proof. I don't wanna be a whiner or anything but cheating really brought down the game. Constantly me and my old PSO buds remember the good old times (Feb last year when the game was released in the US) when rares....were RARE!

Now adays it's more Rare to see some one wielding a weak weapon. Thats when I'm Impressed; not when i see some spoiled brat walking around with Lavis Blades which he "can't remember where he found ehm".

[Malkavian]

Thats why i like to use v1 stuff in ultimate I feel more special hehe

[Javier_Von_Fenrir]

I remember my first day in Ult Forest using my Lavis Cannon. Miss, Miss, Miss , hit!, Miss, Miss, Miss. .....

[Malkavian]

There's not many difference between some v1 weps and v2 weps. The atp difference is insignificantly 200 + or - doeasn't matter when yor chara has 1200-1600 atp and shfta... what matters is the % on weapon.
About the ATA here is when comes ranger advantage even HUcast. SOme v1 weps have nice ata and rangers can use it very well on ultimate and if it have some %in hit it works for HUcasts too. My v1 weps are these:

SONIC KNUCKLE 10% native 25% hit normal normal hard combo never miss and sometimes I try normal hard hard and 2nd hit miss around 50% but that happens to an humar using red saber too. My ata with the knuckle is 271 critical hard does over 1000 with shifta

Vjaya 40% native 35% hit this rocks I do normal hard special combos with a total damage over 4000. In the special attack I can do over 2400

Chain sawd 40% dark 55% hit this rocks too.It has around same ata than red sword and it does same damage than imperial pik 30-35 dark

Chain sawd 30% a beast 50% hit

Holy ray 45% a beast 35% machine This does lot of damage too

Flowens sword 50 a beast 40 hit

M&a60 VISE 50 beast 30 hit

V1 weapons with good % does a lot more damage than v2 weps and if they have nice % hit and your chara has nice ata miss isn't a problem.

[nosaJ]

On 2002-06-19 10:24, Javier_Von_Fenrir wrote:
I remember my first day in Ult Forest using my Lavis Cannon. Miss, Miss, Miss , hit!, Miss, Miss, Miss. .....



I remember that day http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif I had that same experience when I was new in Ulitmate Mode, started lv 100, the Forest (OFFLINE). I roughly reached to the Ice Dragon with the lousy Lavis Cannon with all 0% and legit grind. I beat the Ice Dragon in my first battle with him. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif It was difficult. And now, I have no trouble beating him with my ANCIENT SABER. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif I beat him quickly after he fly around only ONCE (with legit equipments).

[Megaboy]

WOW!!!!!!! already cheating and the gs for gamecube isnt even out yet!!!!!!! not good:(

[Defend]

Hehe my RAcast did 2004 on one baddie in Ult Forest with a Sawcer 45% =D

And he's just a RAcast remember hehe.. and that's just one of the multiple baddies it hit. =D

Where were we?



Ah.. dupes... ruin PSO more than PKing in my opinion. You can avoid PKers, you can't avoid seeing dupes in your face every single time you want to play the game fairly.

[nosaJ]

On 2002-06-20 15:40, Defend wrote:
Ah.. dupes... ruin PSO more than PKing in my opinion. You can avoid PKers, you can't avoid seeing dupes in your face every single time you want to play the game fairly.



I agreed with your opinion.

[XBOX_JEDI]

i wish i had a memory of when i played PSO but i dont http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Javier_Von_Fenrir]

I remember the "Golden Age" when the game was just released here in the States. Trading was very active and Rares were rare (soul eater was admired!). Yes back then, everyone complained about thieves. But then the "Dark Age" of cheating came. Suddenly, everyone and there grandmother had all the rares; and Spread Needles ruled the land.

[neko-chan]

I was wondering if any trial player around here has ever seen something strange, such as lvl 200 and uber rares... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/cat.gif

[Defend]

That's the main reason I'm importing GC PSO.. v1 and v2 I got with the US release (even tho my v2 was JP). I'm dying to get in that time where the game is how its meant to be. Argh why don't dupers see how good it is without them?