FOmar - Melee

[Xaos127]

Wassabi,
I've finally decided to make a meleing Force so i wanted some good stats for the mag. thankyou.

[Ketchup345]

5/145/50/0
5/135/60/0
5/125/70/0

It depends on your willingness to find and equip God/Arms. The more you can find and can equip, the less ATA on the Mag you will need.

Justhave no less than 50, and probably no more than 70.

If you are going for abilities, the Mag should probably be either a Sato or Nidra.

[Xaos127]

great cause i use a 5/145/50/0 mag for my RAmar, and iove got about 3.

[Eihwaz]

On 2004-07-31 07:32, Xaos127 wrote:
great cause i use a 5/145/50/0 mag for my RAmar, and iove got about 3.


Yeah, that's the stats I'd reccomend on a FOmar.

Have you got some weapons picked out to use?

[HiroX]

In my opinion, if raising a melee FO, try using weapons like Agito models, or a Soul Banish.

Good luck with your FO.

[KaFKa]

i'll say this. although i'm not a melee FO specialist, partisans are going to be your best friend for crowd control. (that is, if you're going full melee)

*waits for ian to educate the poor kid on melee FO-ness*

[Miroku77]

With my experience with Meele FOmars, Partisans will be very good indeed. Also mechs with hit are your friends. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Nai_Calus]

So, you want to be a melee FOmar. Good choice.

First of all, your ATA stinks. It sucks ass. It always will suck ass. Learn this early, learn it well, don't forget it, and accept the misses that will occur. If you can find weapons with Hit %, great, if not, don't worry about it.

Mag, I'd go with 5/145/50/0. Type is up to you. Don't bother worrying about the abilities. 90% of the time, they won't even ever kick in. 90% of the time, you will not hit your PB. Twins is up to you, you are after all a Force, and have no actual NEED for it.

Don't bother twinking your techs too much, you'll just pour through meseta like water. L10 is good enough for Normal-Hard, L15-20 for VHard, Ult, go ahead and bust out the L25-30 techs if you've got 'em. Worry about support techs first. Use them first. Keep up the S/D on yourself, and J/Z things as well.

Now, Normal-VHard, good equipment is a Soul Eater, Double Saber and a Varista. Go ahead and bash your way through those difficulties, but.

Once you get to Ult, unless you're into hardcore suffering, or already have the ATP and good weapons available, you're better off switching to being a tech Force for a while, assuming offline. Assuming online, turn support whore. Get those levels, you'll want them unless you enjoy pain.

Around L130ish, you can return to melee fairly decently. Mag, couple of God/Arms, get your ATA close to max or at max. Get your ATP above 840. By now you should have L30 support techs, or at the very least be close to them. If you've been online playing support whore, you know the drill by now: Shifta, Deband, Jellen, Zalure, first priority on your support. Always. You are a Force. Read my thread on this in General if you're not sure how to play support properly.

Good Ult-level weapons: Soul Banish, S-Rank Twin, Holy Ray. If online is not a possibility, substitute a 50% Charge Gatling/Vulcan for the Twin. Under no circumstances should you exclusively use the Vulcan. Mechgun FOmars who claim to be 'melee' are my biggest pet peeve.

Accept that you will never hit decently in Ult Seabed online. Right now, actually. Sit there and say it out loud to yourself: "I will never hit decently in Ult online Seabed." You're going to have trouble in CCA, too. Ruins can be a bit of a challenge, but it's not insurmountable.

Get a God/Battle, if you don't already have one. Use it. You don't NEED it, but you'll do much better if you have it.

A curious property of FOmars is that even with shitty shields and low-level armor like a Secret Gear and Guard Wave with a FOmar's naturally low DFP/EVP is that by the time you slap L30 Deband on yourself and L30 Jellen on the enemy, you're actually usually not taking that much hurt. Your low HP/DFP can occasionally be an asset. If it knocks you down instead of hitting you several times, you're much less likely to die. And you do of course have L30 Resta and a bunch of MST to heal yourself with.

Anyway, here is Ian's Happy Fun Ideal FOmar Setup:

Soul Banish(Rainbow Baton, if you feel like it, for places like Mines and CCA)
S-Rank Twin(Don't bother with a special. You will not hit with it. Ever.)(Charge Vulcan 50% Hit if not online)
Holy Ray(Red Handgun does just fine in a pinch)
Guard Wave/Luminous Field/Aura Field/Whatever(Just as long as it's strong and has four slots)
God/Battle
God/Arm
God/Arm(You can ditch this eventually, at L144 a FOmar is 50 DEX, 1 God/Arm and about 3 more ATA short of max... If you want, go ahead and put 60 DEX on your Mag if you don't plan to get to the 150s)
God/Power(Or Cure/ unit, or Resist/ unit, etc.)
Tripolic Shield(Secret Gear works in a pinch, Red Ring is awesome if you don't mind hacks)
Mag of choice(Rati!), 5/145/50/0

L30 S/D/J/Z/R, L6 Anti(7 is nice, but I find it USEFUL about once out of every thousand or so runs)

General hoardes of monsters, use the Soul Banish. Singular touch enemies/bosses with one section, use the Twin. Singular flying enemies, anything you can't or don't want to get close to, use the Holy Ray. Don't stick with one thing all the time, change to what will work best in the current situation. Support first, melee later. Realise that being a good support Force while meleeing helps YOU even more than the Hunters and Rangers.

Above all, avoid the nasty spiky hair and headband. Please.

[Skorpius]

On 2004-07-31 16:53, Ian-KunX wrote:
Above all, avoid the nasty spiky hair and headband. Please.

And the chicken feet http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Nai_Calus]

Yeah, no more damned FOmars with their robes stopping at their knees. Ankle-length or longer, please, the short ones look even stupider and MORE girly. You see monks running around with their robes only going to mid-calf?

[anwserman]

.... damn, you said FOmar.
I wanted to make a nice long post about making a melee FOnewearl.

Quite hard. And challenging. And/Or stupid, but entertaining nonetheless.

[Nai_Calus]

I vote for stupid. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Shigecki]

On 2004-08-01 00:48, Ian-KunX wrote:
I vote for stupid. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


And impossible.

[Eihwaz]

On 2004-08-01 00:55, Shigecki wrote:
And impossible.


It's certainly possible, but not easy, and most people think it's kinda a stupid idea. Anwserman has a melee FOnl that wiped out Ultimate Seabed, and Olga Flow, offline. I'd much rather melee as any FOrce, than FOnl, though. Some people just like a difficult challenge, I suppose.

[anwserman]

Not to highjack the thread, but...


I redid the whole Ultimate Seabed offline over again, though its odd, I only leveled up twice since I did seabed offline and it was a whole lot easier this time around.. and it didn't take that long as before, either.

This time around, I had to battle twice (I failed at my first attempt) and I grabbed two scape dolls from my bank on the second try, and I ended up using both of them. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif It makes the whole thing seem less special, but I do have some screengrabs of the action that took place.

Oh, I was wrong, those weapons I were using were gatling guns and a railgun. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Falling down shaft
http://lucky-s-designs.com/PSO/kelli_olga0.jpg

Final hits of the first part of Olga Flow
http://lucky-s-designs.com/PSO/kelli_olga01.jpg

Just randomly hitting him in second form
http://lucky-s-designs.com/PSO/kelli_olga1.jpg

Dodging his attack (still took away 2/3+ of HP
http://lucky-s-designs.com/PSO/kelli_olga2.jpg

Me using a PB blast (right next to the end of the battle)
http://lucky-s-designs.com/PSO/kelli_olga3.jpg
The cool part about this picture was that he just severely injured me before by stomping on me, so I quickly healed myself. I also realized that he was going to do his little pound attack (see photo above this one for a pic) and it would have killed me... put I did the PB blast right before he struck the ground, causing his attack to miss me. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Me doing the final blow with my Gatling gun.. and a partial transition to the "death of Olga Flow" sequence.. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
http://lucky-s-designs.com/PSO/kelli_olga4.jpg


Anyway, back on-topic. If you're going to melee with a FO, you have the two end spectrums... the FOmar, which has power but can't land a hit, or the FOnewearl, which can hit something but not with any real force. The FOnewm and the FOmarl are inbetween both the FOmar and the FOnewearl. The FOnewm has the 2nd highest force ATA, but I'm not sure if he's stronger with the FOmarl in regards to ATP.

Basically, it is your character and just look at the character guides to see what mats/mags and weapons you should use. Note: Slicer-type weapon with hit is your best friend for any melee FO. Its like a long-range sword.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: anwserman on 2004-08-01 17:57 ]</font>

[Nai_Calus]

FOmar is actually better off with Soul Banish, IMO. Slicer is great for when you need ATA in the later parts of the game, but by that time you're better off not meleeing period online regardless of which melee FO you have, again, IMO.

And I beg to differ. Zero can hit just fine. XP He doesn't hit like a RA, that's for damn sure, but does well enough. Hell, he can actually land hits in Ult Ruins online. Somewhat decently, in fact - Certainly enough to make it worth the bother.