Maxing RAmarl stats using a rare mag

[Eanae]

I've been looking at the guides, trying to figure out how to max out the stats on my Greenil RAmarl, seeing as she's the only character I haven't fed material's to yet. The only problem I have with it, is that 5/70/42/83 mag. There's no way to get a sato out of that, and I like to keep a Sato on my RAmarl. I was wondering what the best way to tweak the mag. According to FurryBagi's guide, the RAmarl will have 10 left over materials after hitting level 100 by using this method. Is this still correct? I know Royalrico and some others have been working on a new guide that corrects some errors within the maxing stats guides. It's not that I'm lazy to do the math, because I already have. And if it's correct about the 10 left over mats, I'm fine. Also, does Armor and shield effect the max stats? I'd appritiate input http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

What I've come up with, and it seems very off:
Materials:
Power: 113 (+226)
Defense: 53 (+106)
Mind: 20 (+40)
Evade: 31 (+62)
Luck: 25 (+50)

Mag:
Def: 5 (+10)
Pow: 67 (+134)
Dex: 45 (+90)
Mind: 83 (+166)

Units:
1. God/Ability (+20 total to all stats except ATA, +2 ATA)
2. God/Ability (+20 total to all stats except ATA, +2 ATA)
3. God/Mind (+40 MST)

Total Gain:
Atp: +400
Dfp: +156
Mst: +286
Evp: +102
Ata: +130
Lck: +50

I know slot 4 isn't said needed by furry, but I don't know. With what I stated above, it leave 7 materials open. I'm so lost. x.X

[Ryu_4]

I wish i could help you http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif im so sorry..if i were to worry about maxing stats...i would just play the game as it is and you will have your weak points and your strong points...

[RicoRoyal]

First thing's first...
http://www.ricoreeds.com/images/royalrds.jpg
NOT Royalrico http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif

Now on to point two: FurryBagi did not pass 8th grade math. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif More on that here (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=86044&forum=7) AND here (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=86043&forum=6).

NOTE: Post in either of those and I will eat your first-born child!

Now on to what you will like the most.

RAmarl

Stat Boost Needed

ATP 402
DFP 151
MST 299
ATA 25
EVP 102
LCK 90

Method 1

Materials

Power: 56
Defense: 53
Mind: 77
Evasion: 31
Luck: 25

Leftover Materials: 8

Mag

DFP: 5
POW: 100
DEX: 42
MIND: 53

Units

1. God/Ability
2. God/Ability
3. God/Power
4. --

Rare Mag Notes

Deva and Sato rare mag cannot be obtained. *

Method 2

Materials

Power: 81
Defense: 53
Mind: 57
Evasion: 31
Luck: 25

Leftover Materials: 3

Mag

DFP: 5
POW: 100
DEX: 42
MIND: 53

Units

1. God/Ability
2. God/Ability
3. God/Mind
4. --

Rare Mag Notes

Deva and Sato rare mag cannot be obtained. *

Method 3

Materials

Power: 81
Defense: 28
Mind: 77
Evasion: 31
Luck: 25

Leftover Materials: 8

Mag

DFP: 5
POW: 100
DEX: 42
MIND: 53

Units

1. God/Ability
2. God/Ability
3. God/Body
4. --

Rare Mag Notes

Deva and Sato rare mag cannot be obtained. *

Method 4

Materials

Power: 81
Defense: 53
Mind: 77
Evasion: 11
Luck: 25

Leftover Materials: 3

Mag

DFP: 5
POW: 100
DEX: 42
MIND: 53

Units

1. God/Ability
2. God/Ability
3. God/Legs
4. --

Rare Mag Notes

Deva and Sato rare mag cannot be obtained. *

Method 5

Materials

Power: 51
Defense: 53
Mind: 77
Evasion: 31
Luck: 25

Leftover Materials: 13

Mag

DFP: 5
POW: 130
DEX: 12
MIND: 53

Units

1. God/Ability
2. God/Ability
3. God/Arm
4. --

Rare Mag Notes

Deva and Sato rare mag cannot be obtained.

* Methods 1 - 4 do actually allow for the rare mags Deva and Sato. The catch is that you have to use 3 more materials. Careful with method 2 and 4 material diet, as they have no more and no less materials than what you will need for you to get your desired mags.

THANK QUO FOR THIS GUIDE!!!

I hope that helps. I suppose this is as good a time as any to selfishly plug the new guide that will be ready for all of you soon. Thanks to cHaOsMaZta, Quo and myself you will all have a brand new Max Stats guide very very soon (its 23 pages are being double and triple checked as we speak). ENJOY! This is for everyone to enjoy. We do this so that the PSOW community may be more aware of just how intricate this game can be; we gain nothing from it (well... maybe fame. HA! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif)

[darthsaber9x9]

armour and shield have no effect, just like weapons.

that method seems good to me. what looks wrong?

[Eanae]

Thanks RicoRoyal http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif that's exactly what i needed and kinda hoped I would get your attention with it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Using your method one, here's what I got now:

Materials:
59 pow
53 def
77 mind
31 evp
25 lck

Mag: Will be 5/50/45/0 at level 100, and 5/97/50/53 at level 200

Slots:
God/Ability
God/Ability
God/Power
God/Battle

Just want to make sure this will come out right. I added three mats to power to take away from the 3 power I took from the mag and put onto dex.

[Dana]

i'm not one for 100% maxed and i can't give a secound thought but all i wanna max is evp(done iin about 10 LVL's)ata(sone in about15LVL's)def about LVL200)so i couldn't care(lck is already done)why would i need mst and ata is easy and 1ta ot not i woun't care with 224 i hit almost every time and only a few thing can evade my n-h-h combo(and thats only if i do a N-H-H on them(i only miss one hit on the 2nd H so thats still3N's and 5H, goof for me as they will die on a N-N-N meh why would i care;)

[RicoRoyal]

On 2004-08-09 17:24, Eanae wrote:
Mag: Will be 5/50/45/0 at level 100, and 5/97/50/53at level 200


You cant have 205 stat points on a MAG http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Here is one that works:

5/97/45/53 http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smilejap.gif

45ATA + 5DEF = 50 ---> your mag! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Again, don't thank me. THANK QUO! You'll thank me when the FOnewm, FOnewearl, HUnewearl, HUcast, and RAcast guides get published http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Dana]

i can't wait i hate the guides at the mo, they say i have 1 more ata and i didnt level up when maxed or anything, THEY ARE WRONGE KILL KILL KILL

[Eanae]

Again, don't thank me. THANK QUO! You'll thank me when the FOnewm, FOnewearl, HUnewearl, HUcast, and RAcast guides get published

Of which I'll be using the FOnewearl guide, so thanks in advance http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Dana]

bit too late for me to use those guides as all my characters are maxed mats' not to bad only the 100 evade on Dana was bad and the 1 luck on Sarah was a bit iffy a few powre ob Sarah but hey atbleats she will do okay a melee(hehehehehe);)

[Nai_Calus]

Damn, RAmarl is a pain. O_o; Good thing I don't care about maxing ERI. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

'Course, that brings up the problem with all stat-maxing guides, in that they all assume that you haven't used a single mat. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif Half of PSO maxed their LCK long before they ever pondered maxing out their stats and is consequently fucked on all the guides that call for God/Ability. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif (I have a FOmar with 88 LCK, heh) Guides are nice and all, but most of the time unless you get lucky and your mat usage is in line with the guides, you're gonna have to do your own math. >_>; Not to slight the guides, they're great if you've just started a new character you plan to get to 200, but for anyone else... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Quo]

On 2004-08-09 19:42, Ian-KunX wrote:
Damn, RAmarl is a pain. O_o; Good thing I don't care about maxing ERI. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

'Course, that brings up the problem with all stat-maxing guides, in that they all assume that you haven't used a single mat. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif Half of PSO maxed their LCK long before they ever pondered maxing out their stats and is consequently fucked on all the guides that call for God/Ability. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif (I have a FOmar with 88 LCK, heh) Guides are nice and all, but most of the time unless you get lucky and your mat usage is in line with the guides, you're gonna have to do your own math. >_>; Not to slight the guides, they're great if you've just started a new character you plan to get to 200, but for anyone else... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



Actually Ian, RAmarl is one of the more straight-forward ones. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Wait till you see the Newmen http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif. [/direct adress]

Unfortunately it's true that most beginners botch their characters before they really realize what they're doing http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif. But guide or no, their characters are still screwed. These are the most economical ways to max a character.

Always check to see what you can do with your leftover materials. It may free up the ability to create more rare mags, like in the RAmarl instance. IIRC RAcast follows a similar patern. The only character I can remember whose basic stat maxing patern allows for no rare mags at all is the RAcaseal. Should you desire a rare mag for her, you will need to use a power unit on top of the requisite God/Ability.

Rico, we really shouldn't be too hard on FurryBagi. Because there are three of us and one of him, it's only natural that our work should end up less flawed. His main problem was that he couldn't "think outside the box" if you will. Stats aren't maxed? Then we must need another God/Ability. Our insight to use lesser God/Units is what makes our guide more complex *coughandbettercough*. Thanks for selflessly promoting my work on the RAmarl, I've started proof-reading the guide, I can't wait till its up and running.

Have fun, all!



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[RicoRoyal]

On 2004-08-09 19:42, Ian-KunX wrote:
Damn, RAmarl is a pain. O_o; Good thing I don't care about maxing ERI. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_dead.gif The newmans are exponetially worse. Getting as close as possible to maxing them out is actually more of a burden than it is useful (slot units? ubuuhhh, never heard of em http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif)


Not to slight the guides, they're great if you've just started a new character you plan to get to 200, but for anyone else... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I still see a pretty steady number of people here at PSOW that decide to start new characters, so not all hope is lost. And even if a character isnt totally new, there is still some hope. Quo found some beautiful ways to max a FOmarl... get this... with only one God/Unit (yup, not even a God/Ability http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif). Even if someone royally f'ed up their FOmarl's diet, it really won't be so bad to mess with numbers a bit so that they can get the guides in their favor.

I think alot of people will really like what we've done with the guides. Ian, cHaOs really took a likeing to your suggestions about using God/Units over God/Abilties; the player who still meets mat diet requirement can really customize which God/Unit they want to keep there as a possible deficit creater when, as you said, the occasion calls for other units (cure/unit, resist/unit, etc.). Good Stuff http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

EDIT: Damn it! Quo beat me to it! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/eviltongue.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

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[Dana]

i w3as lucky to max out my luck, and garenty evp to max out but my stupid mat usage doomed Dana, can you give me ta tiny bit of advice, here are there usage.....
Power=43
Defence=40
Evade=98
Mind=24
Luck=45

~Dana~

[Quo]

On 2004-08-09 20:10, Dana_ranger wrote:
i was lucky to max out my luck, and garenty evp to max out but my stupid mat usage doomed Dana, can you give me ta tiny bit of advice, here are there usage.....
Power=43
Defence=40
Evade=98
Mind=24
Luck=45

~Dana~



I think Chaos and Rico will agree with me when I say that one thing we will not do is your own homework, in other words, creating custom maxing methods for each player's characters. Nothing personal, it's just my policy. I will, however, give you some hints. Remember that what you need to do is cover the gap between your Level 200 base and level 200 max with as little wasted stat points as possible. You lost most of your customability since you used all of your materials. What you need to do is factor in the units suggested in the guide to the stat boost needed. The two god/abilities needed for RAmarl means that you wasted 20 luck materials. Sorry, there is nothing really that can be done about that. Remember that the stats your mag can boost are DFP, ATP, ATA, and MST. You will need to rely on units and materials for LCK and EVP. Also, I strongly suggest using Materials instead of mag levels to deal with the DFP deficit not covered by the units. Remember that 1 POW level equals 1 Power material and 1 MIND level equals 1 Mind material. With this knowledge, you should be able to tweak the basic recomendations given in the guide to suit your own character.

[RicoRoyal]

Quo pretty much said what I had in mind. You can do the math on your own, while using our guide as a kind of base structure. I only make custom guides for people who I know well enough to trust that they won't mess up my intructions or misuse the information for some other purpose. So far Sitka is the only person I've ever bothered helping 1 on 1. Sorry, it's nothing personal (if it was personal, then i'd be helping you http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif ). I'm sure you can figure it out on your own. God speed... j00 can doo it! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

[Dana]

it'sokay, i don't know how i could mis-use it but i did the math(a bit)so i will either max some or just the 3, but thanks anyway

~Dana~

[Nai_Calus]

j00 r skr00ed, Dana. :-/

Assuming my math is right, you can however max everything but MIND with 3 God/Abilities. Unfortunately you're also wasting 120 stat points and only have 1 free slot... Mag is 11/128/38/23. Your EVP and LCK are already maxed.

Final stats:

ATP: 1145
DFP: 577
MST: 886
ATA: 241
EVP: 900
LCK: 100

Alternately, you can go for an even bigger MIND gulf and a slight DFP deficiency using a God/Power, a God/Body and a 17/133/50/0 Mag, wasting no more EVP or LCK. DFP 573, MIND 780. God/Body can be lost to free up a 3rd slot should one be needed.

As far as I can tell, you cannot max both ATP and MIND, so I hope that wasn't a goal. It might be possible, but you'll screw DFP to do it and probably need all four slots.

Incidentally, you'll max your EVP at L170, and you should have used at the very least 47 fewer evade mats, probably more than that. >_>;

Obviously, if 4 DFP isn't going to drive you mad, the second way is a better choice. More free slots, slightly better mag, no need to hunt down 3 God/Ability... If you really need more MST, you can get another 40 from a God/Mind in one of your free slots.

Thanks to wazzy for noting that I screwed up my ATA calculation on the first way and helping me fix it. XP

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Rico: Yesh, all maxed all the time is good, but something unimportant unmaxed for the sake of something more useful at the time is always good. No sense in losing 4 ATA just for a couple of Resist/Blizzards at Dark Falz when you can just lose 50 DFP and 50 EVP or something similar. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif ...Especially since DFP and EVP at Falz are useless. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif Tis why I like what I worked out to use for Zero should I ever return to him in earnest and decide to head for 200. Works with my mat usage, and I can easily lose two of the three units. >_>; Usually it's the favourite character that gets to L200. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif ...Who's already ruined on mat usage. T_T

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[Dana]

Thank you very much

~Dana loves you~

Ian rules

EDIT:isnt there away(because i waste 120 stat points)to do those maxes using other god/units?

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