HUnewm

[Swan]

just a quick question: why isn't there a HUnewm?

[RicoRoyal]

On 2004-09-16 11:20, Swan wrote:
just a quick question: why isn't there a HUnewm?



Because you touch yourself at night.

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/spam.gif

Why isn't there alot of things in PSO? Because there isn't... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

The idea of a HUnewm sounds a wee bit too strong if you ask me. Tell ya' what... you tell me what the ideal stat balances of a HUnewm would be, and I will shut up. Good luck coming up with something new and balanced(the HUnewm cannot be far superior to any of the other 12 characters). I think you'll find it quite difficult to come up with anything that would fit the category of a HUnewm. Best way to start is to look at the HUnewearl and then compare her to the other characters. You'll soon find out that anything your HUnewm represents will undoubtedly just be a HUmar with TP regeneration and level 20 support techs. Well ladi-freakin'-da, you've now unbalanced the whole game by creating a super HUnewearl...

Prove me wrong. (I welcome it)

[EJ]

That's like asking why ST didn't add a Focast into the game. Simply that would make the game very unbalance.

[RedSchwar]

Perhaps they could have added new classes but simply as skins. So HUmar and HUnewm would have the same stats but totally different looks. This would have allowed for a bit more individuality. Oh well, I'm not going to complain. 12 is enough. I'll bet PSU will have some new classes.

[Corey]

???
What are you guys talking about?
There's been a HUnewmn class, but it never made it to the final...
They were going to put in a certain android from PS
with a cyborg look too, but it didn't make the game in time, so it was ditched like the HUnewmn.

Man, I shoulda saved the pics from SCOT...I think they have the images in the PSO Handbook, or whatever it was called.

[Nai_Calus]

Blah stats ahead, lol

HUnewm:

Support/Damage L15, Anti 5
Both S/D and J/Z

Max stats:
(HP/TP assume no units and maxed HP/TP mats)
HP: 1450
TP: 1043
ATP: 1297
DFP: 488
MST: 958
ATA: 195
EVP: 828

L200 base stats:

HP: 1200
TP: 793
ATP: 1138
DFP: 359
MST: 894
ATA: 180
EVP: 693

L150 base stats:

HP: 895
TP: 598
ATP: 834
DFP: 263
MST: 689
ATA: 168
EVP: 548

Needed for max:

Mag: 58/80/30/32
Mats: 36 Def, 68 Evade, 45 Luck, one left over
Units: None

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And of course HUmarl would have L20/7 techs, the ATP of a HUcast, the ATA of a HUcaseal, the DFP of a RAcaseal, the MST of a FOmar, the EVP of a RAmarl and max with fifty-one mats and a 5/10/4/5 Mag, because ST sits up late at night fapping to pictures of the female characters.

[Asura_UK]

I know. I dont know what they were talking about it being unbalanced. Why would it be? It's unbalanced if you make it unbalanced. They are numbers, make them up.

Look if Hunewm made final, there would be too many Hunters compared to Force's.

You can't have FOcast/FOcaseal because Android types can't do techniques. So Force's are limited to 4.

Therefor Hunters and Rangers must be limited to 4 types for fairness. No HUnewm, HUmarl, RAnewm or RAnewearl in the game.

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[gream-green]

On 2004-09-16 12:20, Corey wrote:
???
What are you guys talking about?
There's been a HUnewmn class, but it never made it to the final...
They were going to put in a certain android from PS
with a cyborg look too, but it didn't make the game in time, so it was ditched like the HUnewmn.

Man, I shoulda saved the pics from SCOT...I think they have the images in the PSO Handbook, or whatever it was called.





LOL,

http://www.vidgames.de/ghz/pso/pso_1_classes_hunewm.html

http://groups.msn.com/thaiPSO/tonboart.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=96

http://home.earthlink.net/~kimly03/cls-rce.htm

http://www.na.rim.or.jp/~riku/Gallery/HUnewm_01.html

[RicoRoyal]

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Well done, Ian. I hope people actually get the point...

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[Corey]

On 2004-09-16 12:37, gream-green wrote:


On 2004-09-16 12:20, Corey wrote:
???
What are you guys talking about?
There's been a HUnewmn class, but it never made it to the final...
They were going to put in a certain android from PS
with a cyborg look too, but it didn't make the game in time, so it was ditched like the HUnewmn.

Man, I shoulda saved the pics from SCOT...I think they have the images in the PSO Handbook, or whatever it was called.





LOL,

http://www.vidgames.de/ghz/pso/pso_1_classes_hunewm.html

http://groups.msn.com/thaiPSO/tonboart.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=96

http://home.earthlink.net/~kimly03/cls-rce.htm

http://www.na.rim.or.jp/~riku/Gallery/HUnewm_01.html



Only one of those is a real HUnewmn concept art from ST.
http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif
and you forgot the FOrappynewmn!
big http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[PhotonDrop]

hmm

If I recall correctly Newmans refuse to use guns(kinda funny though how HUnewearl FOnewm and FOnewearl are allowed to http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif ) limiting the RA class to four.

Of course the Androids can't use the Sinow's technology, so the FO class is limited to four.

To be fair there couldn't be a HUnewm or HUmarl because the Hunters would have six classes.

Besides, if there was a HUnewm class there'd be thousands running rampant online with the name Ganondorf http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Asura_UK]

On 2004-09-16 12:55, PhotonDrop wrote:
hmm

If I recall correctly Newmans refuse to use guns(kinda funny though how HUnewearl FOnewm and FOnewearl are allowed to http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif ) limiting the RA class to four.

Of course the Androids can't use the Sinow's technology, so the FO class is limited to four.

To be fair there couldn't be a HUnewm or HUmarl because the Hunters would have six classes.

Besides, if there was a HUnewm class there'd be thousands running rampant online with the name Ganondorf http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif




Yep exactly.

Here's Sonic Team's HUmarl concept art too.
http://www.vidgames.de/ghz/pso/pso_1_classes_humarl.html

[Shadowpawn]

Just want a FOcast... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif DAMN SEGA....

[Zeik123]

Well I heard and I pretty much thing it's offical that HUnewmans will be in PSU. That'll be strange...

[PhotonDrop]

On 2004-09-16 13:04, Zeik123 wrote:
Well I heard and I pretty much thing it's offical that HUnewmans will be in PSU. That'll be strange...



the only problem is that they might not be called by a PSO class name.

Afterall this isnt Phantasy Star Online Universe...

wait scratch that...

ST just might re-release the PSO classes and tag on a new Race and Class then the concept characters and be done with it. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[Asura_UK]

On 2004-09-16 13:09, PhotonDrop wrote:


On 2004-09-16 13:04, Zeik123 wrote:
Well I heard and I pretty much thing it's offical that HUnewmans will be in PSU. That'll be strange...



the only problem is that they might not be called by a PSO class name.

Afterall this isnt Phantasy Star Online Universe...

wait scratch that...

ST just might re-release the PSO classes and tag on a new Race and Class then the concept characters and be done with it. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif



Even that would keep me busy for a few more years! Woohoo new races!

No but really, PSU is a whole new engine. There's alot that's different.

[Fireal]

Sega actually created designs for the HUnewm...
I'll try and find images of it, but I'm sure I'll have little success.

It look somewhat like an Ogre actually...

[Asura_UK]

Yeah we have a link to that already

HUnewm
http://www.vidgames.de/ghz/pso/pso_1_classes_hunewm.html

HUmarl
http://www.vidgames.de/ghz/pso/pso_1_classes_humarl.html

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[RicoRoyal]

On 2004-09-16 13:13, Fireal wrote:
Sega actually created designs for the HUnewm...
I'll try and find images of it, but I'm sure I'll have little success.

It look somewhat like an Ogre actually...



Try the first page of this thread...

[Fireal]

Oh yeah...
I thought those links were part of somebodies sig >.>

But I was right, it does look somewhat like an ogre:p

[Nai_Calus]

Or this page, which is far superior to anything else posted so far:

http://www.classicgaming.com/saturn/pso/A_Collect_Settei_A.html

>_>

I had the B&W non-stupid looking HUnewm design in mind when I came up the the stats for him. XP ...My HUmar demanded it, he's half Newman. XP

http://www.classicgaming.com/saturn/pso/Settei_HUnewmn2.gif

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[Asura_UK]

Might as well put him in here.

http://www.classicgaming.com/saturn/pso/Settei_HUnewmn.gif

Nice link Ian-KunX http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Very interesting thread.

So they decided to add HUcaseal, FOmar and RAmarl into EP1/2 version, but rejected the HUnewm and HUmarl.

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[DeZThETeRRoR]

I wonder what they were planning to do with those things floating around the characters ankles...?

Also the humarl's weapon look nice.

[Corey]

On 2004-09-16 13:41, DeZThETeRRoR wrote:
I wonder what they were planning to do with those things floating around the characters ankles...?

Also the humarl's weapon look nice.



Those were part of mags at one time, that's all I know on that...

[Shadowpawn]

On 2004-09-16 13:41, DeZThETeRRoR wrote:
I wonder what they were planning to do with those things floating around the characters ankles...?

Also the humarl's weapon look nice.


Those were prolly mags that didn't make it as well...

[Asura_UK]

I like that pelican man design on the website Ian linked to. He looks funny, I want one.

[DeZThETeRRoR]

On 2004-09-16 13:43, Corey wrote:


On 2004-09-16 13:41, DeZThETeRRoR wrote:
I wonder what they were planning to do with those things floating around the characters ankles...?

Also the humarl's weapon look nice.



Those were part of mags at one time, that's all I know on that...


Sonic Team makes wierd decisions sometimes...
The ankle mags on the page Ian linked to look nice.
Alot of the weapons I see on the page aren't in the game and wouldn't require a new weapon class.

[Genoa]

I'd perfer a HUmarl over a HUnewm... but I think a race of dark beings would be cool too.
Cause like, if you compare the races to the enemy attributes, it kinda goes together...
Native - Human
A.Beast - Newman
Machine - Android
Dark - ???? (I made up one at school, Delman http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif)
The race of Delman!!!!! They have a balance of melee and magic. They can use:
Sabers, Swords, Slicers, Handguns, Rifles, Canes, & Wands (special classes are spread out... hard to list)
HUdarl, RAdar, FOdarl... yea, that'd be cool.

Anyways, back on topic... hehe, as someone listed, it would be unfair to forces... so they won't do it. Honestly I don't mind (and I'm a force player...)

[Tycho]

Why does the HUmarl look so much nicer than the HUnewearl AND the HUnewm.. -_-;

But I think ST decided to go with the Hucaseal for Ep1&2 because she would add most to the gameplay, with her unique attack animations and stuff. And the HUmarl looks like something between a Hune and a Fomarl. D:

[Blue-Hawk]

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but maybe a RAnawearl. That would have beeen sweet.

[Nai_Calus]

RAnewearl can't exist, just like FOcast can't exist, so wanting one is moot. The only two non-present classes actually 'possible' are HUmarl and HUnewm.

And HUmarl/newm could just as easily have had the unique animations HUcaseal has. *shrug* They just chose her over the other two.

[Solstis]

On 2004-09-16 12:55, PhotonDrop wrote:
hmm

If I recall correctly Newmans refuse to use guns(kinda funny though how HUnewearl FOnewm and FOnewearl are allowed to http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif ) limiting the RA class to four.

Of course the Androids can't use the Sinow's technology, so the FO class is limited to four.

To be fair there couldn't be a HUnewm or HUmarl because the Hunters would have six classes.

Besides, if there was a HUnewm class there'd be thousands running rampant online with the name Ganondorf http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



That's why ficcers rule.

I've dabbled with both, lol.

[Blue-Hawk]

On 2004-09-16 17:53, Ian-KunX wrote:
RAnewearl can't exist, just like FOcast can't exist, so wanting one is moot. The only two non-present classes actually 'possible' are HUmarl and HUnewm.

And HUmarl/newm could just as easily have had the unique animations HUcaseal has. *shrug* They just chose her over the other two.


Please explain why the RAnewearl can't exist? I know why the FOcast can't, but am lost on why the RAnewearl can't exist.

[Skorpius]

Native = Human = HU/RA/FO
A.Beast = Newman = HU/FO
Machine = Android = HU/RA
Dark = ??? = RA/FO

Humans are well balanced, they could easily do anything. They either excell in thier class (RAmar, FOmar) or are extremly rounded out (RAmarl/FOmarl/HUmar). From this, i would guess a HUmarl would be close to a HUcaseal, but lesser defenses (meaning good atp/ata but lower dfp/hp/evp).

Newman are geared closer to magic, but also can have defenses. Usually having above average MST, the females seem to have better defense points, with DFP on HUnes, and EVP on FOnes. I would guess a HUnewm would be decent ata, low atp.

Androids. All four are there. No need for more.

Dark???, um..
2 RA, 2 FO.
I unno D:

[Blue-Hawk]

On 2004-09-16 20:40, Skorpius wrote:


Newman are geared closer to magic, but also can have defenses. Usually having above average MST, the females seem to have better defense points, with DFP on HUnes, and EVP on FOnes. I would guess a HUnewm would be decent ata, low atp.





Well, gee. That makes it sound like Newman's have no business being hunters at all. And it STILL isn't a valid argument as to why Newman's can't be rangers.

[Garm]

there can be a focast/caseal if ST wasnt to lazy to add special traps for androids (and something to restore them like a monomate or a monofluid). ofcource at lvl 200 they would have loads of traps.

but when you add focast/caseal you also need humarl/newm ranewearl/newm and also balance all of them. thats the whole point balancing all 18 chars and still be sure they dont make it to easy at high lvls is a pain in the ass. hope they do make 4 different classes in psu AND balance them (and be sure fomar does alot less damge since he almost is a hufomar now :S)

[PJ]

On 2004-09-17 03:28, Garm wrote:
there can be a focast/caseal if ST wasnt to lazy to add special traps for androids (and something to restore them like a monomate or a monofluid). ofcource at lvl 200 they would have loads of traps.

Yeah, but traps would be useless compared to the actual techniques. Bosses?



On 2004-09-17 02:01, Blue-Hawk wrote:
And it STILL isn't a valid argument as to why Newman's can't be rangers.



I think somewhere in the Book of Hunters it says that Newmen can't be Rangers because, "They dislike guns." (I disagree!... my HUnewearl lubs her Bravace http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )

[Jack]

On 2004-09-17 04:49, SUPAH_CHAO wrote:

I think somewhere in the Book of Hunters it says that Newmen can't be Rangers because, "They dislike guns." (I disagree!... my HUnewearl lubs her Bravace http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )



I think they mean heavy artillery, like the Shot and Photon Launcher types.

[Shadowpawn]

On 2004-09-17 04:49, SUPAH_CHAO wrote:


On 2004-09-17 03:28, Garm wrote:
there can be a focast/caseal if ST wasnt to lazy to add special traps for androids (and something to restore them like a monomate or a monofluid). ofcource at lvl 200 they would have loads of traps.

Yeah, but traps would be useless compared to the actual techniques. Bosses?



On 2004-09-17 02:01, Blue-Hawk wrote:
And it STILL isn't a valid argument as to why Newman's can't be rangers.



I think somewhere in the Book of Hunters it says that Newmen can't be Rangers because, "They dislike guns." (I disagree!... my HUnewearl lubs her Bravace http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )



Sega lazy's excuse not to put them in there, they can do if they want, if they were going to put Wren in PSO then they could do it. They just don't feel like it, it's just numbers...anything can be balanced.



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[goku4ever]

On 2004-09-16 12:30, Asura_UK wrote:
You can't have FOcast/FOcaseal because Android types can't do techniques.
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lol would be funny to play a character which is all round crapness. someone that does barely any damage and cant cast spells!

[Skorpius]

On 2004-09-17 02:01, Blue-Hawk wrote:
Well, gee. That makes it sound like Newman's have no business being hunters at all.

Exactly. D:

[Saffran]

I dunno, I got the feeling (frm Sue's chit-chat mind you) that the Newman race was issued of gene enhancing experiments, and that they don't really have any say in their birth and death (being an unstable lifeform, they can die the natural way at just about anytime).

Which would lead me to thing that Hunewmn would (overall)suck ass in the magic department, being gene-enhanced to be strong and enduring. Something like a much stronger Hucast, with spells limited to Anti and Shifta. Throw in a native low HP cost for Berserk and lots, lots, lots of HP, but sucky ATA, DEF and EVP.

HUmarl might have been OK, but I suppose ultimately there wasn't enough difference with HUnewearl...