Another "Final Character" Topic

[PJ]

Yeah. Hopefully soon, I'll be able to get another Memory Card. And oddly enough, I only want to do that so I can trade with my friend since his memory card has my FOmarl on it (Not to mention I used that card online before, so that means the Serial/Access is on it). So basically, I've decided 2 of the 3 characters I wanna make. I'll have a second HUmar (Second Whitill) and a second RAcast (Second Skyly). Now that leaves one space left (Since the other space has my Greenill FOmarl).

Alright, so basically, I have all 10 Section IDs, so currently the final Section ID doesn't matter.

I have all character classes except RAmar/RAcaseal. I'm leaning more towards a Force, but I can't really think of how I can paly them differently. 3 of them are melee, and only one is casting (And it's really too easy @_@).

Suggestions?

[Mystil]

Those two things are pretty much the only things you can do with a FO basically. Using guns however is not melee. It's long range. But if you're a Fone, you're only limited to handguns and boring mechs. Unless you find a C-Bringer Rifle, which is a shot series.

That's about all I can say.






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[Eihwaz]

Bringer's Rifle is a Rifle, not a Shot. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

And for your character, hmm. You could try a RAcaseal, or maybe a ranged FOrce? Like whose main weapons are a Slicer, Handgun/Rifle, and Mechgun. I dunno.

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[Solstis]

Make a newm.

You could always use one more.

Made a RAnewm yet? Challenge yourself, no? Attempt to restrain yourself to only techniques that RAmar's can use?

eh? Eh? EH?

[Genoa]

You either become a room-clearing maniac FO (FOnewm), or be the ultimate support and own single targets with ubber simple-based techniques (FOnewearl)

Whatever suits your taste. I perfer support, but... FOnewm is cool too.

[Nai_Calus]

Make a melee Ranger. XP

[Mystil]

On 2004-09-23 15:24, Eihwaz wrote:
Bringer's Rifle is a Rifle, not a Shot. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif




Bah, I always get those two confused.

[Genoa]

On 2004-09-23 15:58, Ian-KunX wrote:
Make a melee Ranger. XP


Seeing they got the accuracy... that's not a bad idea. HU's have got the ATP, but lack the ATA (HUcaseal is decent at both though...), and RA's have the ATA but lack the ATP (RAcast is also decent at both...)

[kazuma56]

A RAmar is also fairly decent in ATA and ATP as well.

I agree with Ian, make a Melee Ranger.

[PJ]

On 2004-09-23 15:03, Silhouette wrote:
Using guns however is not melee. It's long range.

In definiton, guns aren't melee, you're right. But I like to think, as long as I am doing physical damage with a force, I'll call it melee. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif (Although my FOmar does use the SRank Rod to melee... because it's cool http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )



On 2004-09-23 15:34, MegamanX wrote:
You either become a room-clearing maniac FO (FOnewm), or be the ultimate support and own single targets with ubber simple-based techniques (FOnewearl)

It's in my opinion that it doesn't matter what type of Force you're playing, but if you chose a Force you should be ready to support. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif



On 2004-09-23, Ian-KunX wand Eihwaz wrote:
Make a melee Ranger. XP
You could try a RAcaseal



That's probably my plan =D Although, all my characters have some form of ranged and melee weapons anyways, so I'll probably just play her like I play my current RAcast (His equipment is Baranz Launcher, S-Beat's Blade and hopefully, Red Mechguns http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif ).

[Fossil]

A RAmar is also fairly decent in ATA and ATP as well.

Um, RAmar has the highest ATA and 5th highest ATP which is still very much competitive.

[Garm]

racaseal all the way http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif but if you want a challenge make a tech spamming ramar http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Tycho]

If you're ID wouldn't matter for finds, go with the one that fits best with the costume you're choosing. Because style > finds.

[Hrith]

HUcast... *points to sig*

[Nai_Calus]

HUcast is meh. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif They're all ugly, and they all look alike. T_T

And no, you cannot call yourself a melee Force if you play ranged. Melee is what my FOmar does, hop in there with a real weapon(Soul Banish) and start WHACKING things. XP None of this sissy girly standing back and shooting and being useless as a damage dealer because you're only hitting one thing at a time regardless of what it is. XP I break out the S-Rank Twin only for large nasty single things, or pairs of non-nasty things that end up actually being more efficient to kill seperately. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif And the Red Handgun doesn't come out at all unless I need to shoot something like an Ep2 Sinow to keep it from running all over the hell and gone. That's REAL melee FOing, boy, not this pansy fake ranger crap you call melee because you think you're cute. >P

*loathes and despises mechgun/rifle FOmars*

[Mystil]

I wish I knew Fones were able to melee decent before I wasted so many mats on dfp. Seeing a fone use twin Chakrams(sp) dealing about 1000-1100dmg total(not per hit) IN RUINS is so awesome. @_@

[Nai_Calus]

...While meanwhile my FOmar is using his S-Rank Twin and doing around 2400 in a combo. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

FOnewearl cannot melee 'decently'. >.> She can, um, hit things fairly ineffectually. >_>;

But yeah, SUPAH, make a REAL melee Ranger. S-Rank Scythe, Monkey King Bar, a Rainbow Baton... XP

[Skorpius]

Why not S rank twin, Ian? XP

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-09-24 09:03, Skorpius wrote:
Why not S rank twin, Ian? XP



Style. XP

Plus, if he's getting an S-Rank Twin, he should give it to his FOmar so he can start to be a little bit of what he pretends to be. XP

[Tycho]

Now we're promoting our own classes anyway... FOnewearl all the way! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
Who cares about meleeing, FOnewearl! o:

Oh wait, you already had a Pinkal Foney.. :/

[PJ]

So... Rifles aren't melee, but Slicers are? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

PJ uses Red Slicer for his multi-hitting weapon, SRank Rod (For no real reason, just cause it's cool) and Bringer's Rifle because 1) It's strong and 2) It was my first real rare n.n

I guess a real melee Ranger wouldn't be so bad, but some of those things will be really hard to get. Rainbow Baton, MKB... >.>

Although, I usually like to mix.

Wait a second, I thought your FOmar used a Red Handgun Ian XP I thought you recommend a gun (Red Handgun/Holy Ray), a multi-hitting weapon(Rainbow Baton/Soul Banish) and a single-targetting multiple hit weapons (SRank Twin) http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif (Correct me if I'm wrong http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )

And Kef, I already have a HUcast. Skyly HUcast for that matter http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

(And that makes 5 Skyly HUcasts I know XD)

[Nai_Calus]

Yeah, but Rangers are meant to use guns. XP The idea is to use the Baton only for times when you need a ranged attack. XP We're trying to not go with your class here. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

But sure, S-Rank Scythe, MKB and Red Handgun. XP

[Mystil]

On 2004-09-24 08:41, Ian-KunX wrote:
...While meanwhile my FOmar is using his S-Rank Twin and doing around 2400 in a combo. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



FOnewearl cannot melee 'decently'. >.> She can, um, hit things fairly ineffectually. >_>;

But yeah, SUPAH, make a REAL melee Ranger. S-Rank Scythe, Monkey King Bar, a Rainbow Baton... XP



2400 ooo I'm so impressed! Mr.163 ATA http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Accuracy > Power http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

*bleeds with the river of sarcasm*


Btw Ian, since I'm beginning to notice this, you might want to yield from trolling my posts. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif





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[PJ]

On 2004-09-24 16:30, Silhouette wrote:
Mr.163 ATA http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

That's more than enough to melee online http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-09-24 16:30, Silhouette wrote:

2400 ooo I'm so impressed! Mr.163 ATA http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Accuracy > Power http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

*bleeds with the river of sarcasm*


Btw Ian, since I'm beginning to notice this, you might want to yield from trolling my posts. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



So I'm doing double the damage, and I'm not really hitting all that much less, because the amount of total ATA you need to hit consistently in Ep1 online, even in Ruins, is easily reachable by a FOmar. O_o; Late Ep2 areas get squirelly, but I can still hit well on most of CCA's monsters... So, I really don't see your point, unless you're trying to solo melee Seabed online, which is a bad idea for just about every class in the game. O_o; I don't care if you're impressed or not, I'm merely pointing out the facts. XP

And yes, accuracy is good, but not at the cost of having so little power as to be useless. Melee FOnewearl is cute, but it's not really viable unless you want to spend like, 3 hours clearing a Heat Sword you could handle in 20 minutes with a real character. >_>; Even my FOmar takes a good 45-60 minutes, depending on how much mail I'm sending. X_x; For a FOnl, techs WOULD be faster. >_>; Calculate the damage yourself, there are calculators on this site for that. *shrug*

You might want to have that looked at, I can't donate blood again until the 30th. >_>;

...My, my, don't we have the paranoid ego? Trolling your posts? I don't even know who the fuck you are, honestly, other than someone I replied to in this thread. The idea that I would actually give enough of a shit about you to stalk you and troll you is laughable. Especially since stating facts is not trolling, merely correcting misassumptions. If you don't like the facts of the game, go play in your mind or something. O_o; Here's a BKB for your FOnewearl to use while you do that. O_o;

[Garm]

ppl who say they melee with a fo are stupid >_< if you want to melee take a HU, if you want to range take a RA and if you want to do something with techs take a fo (even if its just spamming resta). and dont say its a challenge since its stupid to melee with a fo: low atp low ata low def low hp >_< and if anyone really wants to be stupid: make a full tech ramar/humar! why have I never seen anything like that online? only melee fo's who dont know how to melee or use techs (except some really good fo's) any hu>>>>>>any melee fo period

just had to get that of my heart >_< now anwser his question http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif tech humar/ramar is what any1 should make

edit: ahh forgot its is a sort of flaming >_< sorry if i insulted any1 this is IMO

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[PJ]

It's not stupid to melee with a Force. Playing solo, Forces (Well, FOmars for sure atleast) can melee better than the androids with their level 30 S/D J/Z. When did ATP/DEF become a problem?

In fact, Defense is my biggest problem with androids, since 2 of my 3 androids are still being knocked down in Ultimate Forest, so it's hard to play them http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif Whereas I could do that same thing with a Force, with his support techniques. They also have Resta!

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-09-25 01:49, Garm wrote:
ppl who say they melee with a fo are stupid >_<


Which is why my FOmar is invincible to everything but Hildelts, Sil Bob and rare enemies in Online Heat Sword, while my HUmar still gets his ass kicked despite having vastly 'superior' DFP/EVP, right? >P

I can easily solo Heat Sword with Zero. >_>; He fights exactly like my HUmar does, but for some reason... Yeah, he doesn't get his ass kicked. Must be the L30 support techs... Hmm... XP

[kazuma56]

I hate people that simplify classes I.E, Rangers have to range, Humars have to melee, Forces have to use techs only/backup.

Things is, alomst every class in this game can melee at least up to CCA/mines, ruins and up a more or less Ranger and Hunter meleeing areas, Remeber, ST didn't give Rangers the ability to use Strong Hunter weapons for no reason.

[Split]

if you want a melee ranger, go for a RAcast. their ATP can potentially exceed a hunewearl and hucaseals, and their ATA potential is fairly good. But if you want to challenge yourself, go for RAcaseal or RAmarl(if ur on GC). I had a melee caseal for about three hours and I nearly commited suicide T_T
So consider yourself warned

[Garm]

On 2004-09-25 07:02, Ian-KunX wrote:


On 2004-09-25 01:49, Garm wrote:
ppl who say they melee with a fo are stupid >_<


Which is why my FOmar is invincible to everything but Hildelts, Sil Bob and rare enemies in Online Heat Sword, while my HUmar still gets his ass kicked despite having vastly 'superior' DFP/EVP, right? >P

I can easily solo Heat Sword with Zero. >_>; He fights exactly like my HUmar does, but for some reason... Yeah, he doesn't get his ass kicked. Must be the L30 support techs... Hmm... XP



i put imo at the end never said anything about stats since fomar gets very close with support. but when your humar aint gettin trough HS easily you must be something wrong since i never had any probs (well maby the first time when i got my self stuck behing a switch while surrounded by tollaws at lvl 80, thank god for that rabarta) but humars have much more choise of weps (chainsawd, demo comet, meteor cudgel, asuka) while fomars are stuck to a s-rank twin, g-assasins, red hangun and red saber. not bad but still its quite pathetic compared to hu's. thats why i think its stupid to melee when your a fo or ra. my fonewm has more mst but the 30% gi techs boost is great why do most fomar melee, dont say its mst since its still on the 3rd place and with that boost he should get trough any area easy.
and if you really want the ultimate melee machine(with support): ask ST to introduce the HUnewm (atp+mst+support= ultimate class, with ata that is http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-09-27 12:41, Garm wrote:

i put imo at the end never said anything about stats since fomar gets very close with support. but when your humar aint gettin trough HS easily you must be something wrong since i never had any probs (well maby the first time when i got my self stuck behing a switch while surrounded by tollaws at lvl 80, thank god for that rabarta) but humars have much more choise of weps (chainsawd, demo comet, meteor cudgel, asuka) while fomars are stuck to a s-rank twin, g-assasins, red hangun and red saber. not bad but still its quite pathetic compared to hu's. thats why i think its stupid to melee when your a fo or ra. my fonewm has more mst but the 30% gi techs boost is great why do most fomar melee, dont say its mst since its still on the 3rd place and with that boost he should get trough any area easy.



My EYES. Don't they teach grammar and spelling in schools anymore?

Anyway, my definition of 'getting a character's ass kicked' depends on how often I have to bother casting Resta. My HUmar, being oddly capable of taking damage in Ult Forest online for some reason(Must be the lack of L30 support techs. XP), generally needs to Resta at least once, if not twice, while fighting a larger group of enemies. Hell, HUmar resta being what it is, he'll probably have to do it 3 or 4, since if I wait until he's damaged enough to actually BOTHER, he isn't going to be able to heal himself completely in one. So yeah, taking about a hundred, hundred and fifty damage from say, a Tollaw smack, is in my viewpoint annoying and pathetic. HUmar is not a very good solo character. He's a good TEAM character, but for solo? Eh. There are better.

Well, your list of weapons leaves out most of the weapons FOmar can use that are worthwhile, and includes ones that are crap. G-Assassin's Sabers? Red Saber? Who the hell is dumb enough to use trash like that? How about, oh, I dunno, Holy Ray, Bringer's Rifle, Rainbow Baton, Soul Banish? Yeah, that sure is a mediocre selection of pure crap! Heh. So you're saying that a FOmar with Soul Banish(Second strongest partisan in the game, strongest depending on %, since the strongest is S-Rank), an S-Rank Twin(Fully ground not all that worse than a Demo Comet) and a Holy Ray(Good Rifle with high ATA even without hit), which would be an excellent equipment set for even a Hunter, is a bad range of weapons? Rainbow Baton, best of the Slicers, easily made with 50%+ Hit, is not a good weapon selection? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

And have you EVER played on line? It actually IS, indeed, the FOmar's MST that puts him in the melee camp. You seem not to realize some things about this game and stats, so I'll give you some information.

Ok, so you max your FOmar's MST, you slap on all the boosty shit you can dredge up, and you use only Gi techs(WHY, when Gibarta sucks so badly... X_X;)... Ok, that's nice. But you're still not doing much damage. Oh, and you're still taking a billion techs to get through something. Oh, and did I mention that if you've also maxed your ATP, you will do MORE DAMAGE with your L30 Shifta and Zalure and your Soul Banish than you will with your techs?

Oh, and damage potential vs. HUs? Well, let's take that HUmar again. Max his ATP. Give him L15 J/Z. Give him a Soul Banish. He's using an invincibility mag, and he very stupidly did not make sure he had Mylla&Youlla on his Mag.

Now, let's take our max ATP FOmar, give him his L30 support techs and the same Soul Banish.

Guess who actually does a bit MORE damage? Yup, our friendly neighbourhood FOmar! Now, our HUmar, if he wasn't a dumbass, would be using a nice Rati like mine does with Twins on it, and eventually he would out-damage the FOmar. ...Until the PB wore off and he was back to doing less. Plus odds are that our FOmar, properly geared, would be taking less damage(And if we're doing this in Forest, he's not taking any until we find Hildelts...). And even if he isn't, his Resta's actually going to heal him a significant amount instead of leaving him better off using mates. >_>;

Not enough ATA? Pfft. In Seabed and Tower, maybe. Hell, Zero still hits decently in Ult CCA online. Sure, he misses on the monkeys a bit. So does my HUmar, and his ATA is maxed. I don't even use Hit % weapons on him.

Rangers? RAmarl's got it pretty good. She's stuck with S-Rank Scythe, though.

That, my friend, is why FOmars melee. Because it's better for them, and because they CAN. A decently-levelled, properly equipped melee FOmar in the hands of a skilled player is literally a Force to be reckoned with. No, you're not a HUcast, and you're not going to be. You will however be perfectly capable of taking care of yourself, and since you support without thinking anyway because it benefits YOU, you're always going to be a welcome addition to a team. >_>

[Garm]

o they do teach english here but i dont care online (sure talking in perfect grammar looks nice but theres no real use)
i have played online mostly with support fo's. and though they melee quite good, my humar still excells online. offline he does less damage but he has more hp and def so im not losing more than 300 to 500 damage, in seabed. he resta's 440 hp back giving me an hp loss of 60 wich is allmost nothing. for a fomar/marl this loss is way bigger because of the low hp. and the weapons i listed are the best in there class the fomar/marl can use and soul banish is an impossible drop for me so never mind looking at that wep. since its listed as 2nd strongest it sure gives a nice boost to fos but still: the hu's will be better with it. its the lowest fo mst that makes him challenging thats why i dont see why ppl will try to use techs with a fomar. if you really want to melee make a hunter.
p.s. sorry about the slow reply had to play sword of mana >_<

[Gjl]

On 2004-10-01 01:38, Garm wrote:
o they do teach english here but i dont care online (sure talking in perfect grammar looks nice but theres no real use)
i have played online mostly with support fo's. and though they melee quite good, my humar still excells online. offline he does less damage but he has more hp and def so im not losing more than 300 to 500 damage, in seabed. he resta's 440 hp back giving me an hp loss of 60 wich is allmost nothing. for a fomar/marl this loss is way bigger because of the low hp. and the weapons i listed are the best in there class the fomar/marl can use and soul banish is an impossible drop for me so never mind looking at that wep. since its listed as 2nd strongest it sure gives a nice boost to fos but still: the hu's will be better with it. its the lowest fo mst that makes him challenging thats why i dont see why ppl will try to use techs with a fomar. if you really want to melee make a hunter.
p.s. sorry about the slow reply had to play sword of mana >_<



Sorry, but proper English DOES have a use here. Your post is painful to read at best. Honestly if you have to TRY before you can use basic English skills then you have a real problem.

About the FOmar not being designed for melee... Oh I'm SURE Sonic Team accidentally gave the FOmar over 1k ATP and crappy MST so he would be a useless class overall http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif.

Rangers are best at sniping and hunters are best at whacking stuff with swords. Unfortunately techs happen to suck online, apart from support techs. Support techs like Jellen+Zalure REQUIRE you go pretty close to enemies I'm sure you know. You also have to be close to the hunters to Resta/Shifta/Deband. When you do these things they happen to help YOURSELF too, right?
The enemies are Jellen+Zalured, you're gonna be standing close to them ANYWAY and you have your own Shifta+Deband. Techs also happen to suck online. Gee I wonder what I'm gonna be doing with that Soul Banish and 1k ATP http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif. Saying the FOmar isn't designed for melee is a joke to be honest, and it even says so in the fucking manual O.o. ('Their combination of techniques and quickness in combat make them unique' - support techniques combined with decent fighting ability perhaps?). Point is meleeing actually makes you do a better job supporting since you depend on your own support boosts to deal damage. If all you did was stand around Jellen+Zaluring every enemy that would be boring and you'd probably end up forgetting to do it on a few occasions.

Plus Soul Banish is NOT a rare drop actually http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif. Try Skyly PW3 runs and get back to me on that one http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif. Seabeds also happen to be my favourite area.

Forces are a support class online. Attack techs are virtually useless and OF COURSE the hunters are going to be doing more damage than you if you melee, otherwise why the heck would anyone bother making them? Forces are designed to support the hunters by providing boosts and healing, while at the same time adding a little damage into the mix. Arguing that meleeing with a force is pointless because hunters are going to be doing more damage than you is fucking rediculous.

[Nai_Calus]

By that argument, HUcaseals and solo HUmars suck because HUcasts and HUnewearls will do more damage. Why would anyone make those classes? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif Yeah, gee, I wonder... -_-;

Soul Banish isn't hard. O_o; And um... No, a Force does not take more damage. Did you miss the part where I said my FOmar is fucking invincible to almost everything in Forest online? -_- Probably Caves and half of Temple, too, although I don't bother to check. And hey... Guess what, he's a Force! His Resta heals him more, so when he DOES take damage, he can heal it all! The same D/J protecting you also protects me. Quite nicely.

Oh, and the lowest FO MST actually belongs to the FOmarl. >_>

[Garm]

my hu ra's and fo are all invincible in multi/online >_< well the ras and fo dont take damage but thats invinciblee to:P now im ending because : its never going to stop >_< and i need to play sword of mana and gs:tla (untill ive got my pso disc back that is)