Which should I...

[Gynn_Rei]

train to lvl 200?

RAmarl or RAcast, give arguments why please.

[Fireal]

RAmarl, because I've never seen a level 200 RAmarl.
I've seen too many 200 RAcasts, and they're ugly.

It's not a very valid argument, but yeah.

Oh, oh, I got one.
RAmarl gameplay can be more varied, due to her use of techs, and relativley good MST.
So if you (for some reason) feel like it, you could go on a crazed tech spamming mission.

But then, if you go with the RAcast, other people don't expect so much of you, and so you can get by a little easier...

[Skorpius]

RAmarl is better, overall.
More varied gameplay, as stated, and better variety of armors, shields, and weapons.

You'll never get bored.

[Split]

I would say RAcast if you want to use weapons like Panzer Faust and Iron Faust(android only). However, RAmarl can use 250 mats since she's a human, and her ATA is 17 higher. RAcast would be my choice, since there aren't any human only weapons, and a mag thats like:
DEF 30
POW 136
DEX 34
MIND 0
Of course you could go for both, but that would take a loooooooonnnnnnnggg time(unless you've already started both of them.). It's not as though you have to choose ONE.
Hope this helps!



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[Eanae]

RAmarl is better IMO. But then again, I hate andriods all together.

[Ketchup345]

I agree, RAmarl.

And a picture of a level 200 RAmarl:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/Ketchup345/TerraLevel200.png
Kef(ka) right after leaving the game where he killed Olga Flow for the last bit of EXP (too bad there wasn't enough room for me).

And Kef- You better let me be in the next level 200 game you have (HUcast?)! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Tycho]

Gynn Rei, you're offline. So go for Ramarl. Androids are hard to play offline.

[PaleKid15]

RAmarl definitely, and make it purplenum (thats my suggestion anyway).

Reasons:
1. lvl 20 of all support techs is VERY nice
2. RAmarls have high enough ATA to be noticably more accurate, but not so high as to be a waste (see RAmar http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )
3. Weapons = Most good rangers will be getting an s-rank needle at some point, and berserk or spirit make great choices (no spirit on RAcast and berserk is iffy on droids), no need for the zalure special really, lvl 20 works just fine. Other than that, the RAmarl and RAcast have pretty much the same weapon selection (that is, if you are talking about GOOD weapons).
4. Looks- this is a matter of opinion, but it is generally accepted that RAmarls are hawt, and RAcasts are nawt.
5. This last one may be controversial, but one reason not to make a RAcast, is if you have a HUcaseal, the RAcast makes her look bad http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

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[Gynn_Rei]

Another thing... my RAcast is lvl 82 with the section ID Redria, my RAmarl is lvl 126 with the section ID Withill.

What do you think I should do now?

[Nai_Calus]

RAmarl. XP Hunt yourself a Guld and a Milla while you do it. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Though, RAcast can be fun to use. (Although RA in cmode is an interesting change in play strategies... But then, this is about getting to L200, not c-mode. >_>;)

[Armok]

Go for a Racasearl just because ramarl/cast are far and away more common.

[Gjl]

Just max whatever the hell you like playing most, since you're gonna be playing with him/her for a LOOOOONG time. You don't need to ask for anyone's opinion about this I hope...

Really there is very little difference between say a lvl 150 character and a lvl 200 character because at that point you are already owning everything. It's more of a status than anything really.

Personally I don't see the point since the constant mindless exp runs get boring at that level and I'd much rather have lots of lower level characters than 1 lvl 200. Think about it...one lvl 200 character is the same exp as two lvl 180 characters or three lvl 120 characters. The last 20 levels are a bitch and are only there for bragging rights.

I hope you do realise what you're signing yourself up for http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

[Gynn_Rei]

On 2004-09-30 11:31, Gjl wrote:
Just max whatever the hell you like playing most, since you're gonna be playing with him/her for a LOOOOONG time. You don't need to ask for anyone's opinion about this I hope...

Really there is very little difference between say a lvl 150 character and a lvl 200 character because at that point you are already owning everything. It's more of a status than anything really.

Personally I don't see the point since the constant mindless exp runs get boring at that level and I'd much rather have lots of lower level characters than 1 lvl 200. Think about it...one lvl 200 character is the same exp as two lvl 180 characters or three lvl 120 characters. The last 20 levels are a bitch and are only there for bragging rights.

I hope you do realise what you're signing yourself up for http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.



I started out my RAmarl to rule everyone of my friends, then I came to the conclusion Skyly and Withill alone came to short so I started Redria for it's unique items, armours, units and add slots. I've recently started a Yellowboze, I kind of like my FOmar but that is not the point.

By playing hours and hours with my RAcast, I got more attached to him than I thought... I like the *clank* and I like his ATP, DFP, HP, despite the lack of J/Z & S/D, ATA in comparison with the other rangers. Redria is still a bit of a (melee) Ranger ID and I like it. Being an Android gives an edge, being something different than a human or a damn screwy HUmar. 3 friends of mine play PSO... 2 HUmars and the other one a FOnewm as main character.

On the other hand, I still love my RAmarl. I started out with her when I kept finding rifles on Skyly. It bugged me not to be able to use any of them. I chose a Ranger although I hated them at the time. I got to learn how to play with her, using her magic effectively not only for J/Z & S/D. I like her ATA, MST, EVP, DFP & ATP (S/D)... the only thing sucky is her ID, I keep finding damn Slicers and I'm tired of them (they just can't land a punch like Shots do), though she has some great specials but with very hard drop chances and chances are slim online.

Though my FOnewm friend has Purplenum as ID and I've been able to motivate him to find me a Yashminkov 9000M and other good Ranger weapons.

[Butoden]

RAmarl > RAcast
Just because RAcast has the annoying stomp sound when he walks/runs. It gets annoying http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Hrith]

On 2004-09-29 14:44, Ketchup345 wrote:
And Kef- You better let me be in the next level 200 game you have (HUcast?)! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif
I'll never take another char there, lol.
Thanks for the pic, though http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



On 2004-09-29 16:27, Tycho wrote:
Gynn Rei, you're offline. So go for Ramarl. Androids are hard to play offline.
Are you kidding ? I find my HUcast easier to play than my HUnewearl offline. At least he's clearly faster, even in Seabed.

I say RAmarl, much better char to take to 200.

[Gynn_Rei]

Sure it is hard, but what's worth my while depending on my Section ID and Class.

[Garm]

greennill/redria racaseal --> all http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif for what you have: the racast (i hate ramarls:P)

[Gjl]

Since you like your RAcast best (you have good taste http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif) go level that one up. Redria is also a better ID than Whitill (which is more of a Force ID).

Androids are not harder to play offline actually. I find my RAcast kills stuff faster than my RAmar and RAmarl of a similar level (120ish) since the damage is only marginally less than what the others can do. The RAmarl has to Zalure and cast Shifta to do more damage, and my RAcast has a Zalure Needle (lvl 33 Zalure). Mags can give you lvl 20 shifta/deband quite often, especially if you have a PB/Create. Freeze traps and confuse traps make a HUGE difference, which more than makes up for the lack of Shifta+Zalure IMO.

The team you play with regularly already has a force (and you don't have an android either) so the traps and better ATP are a far greater asset. RAmarl's shifta/deband/jellen/zalure will be made redundant by the force. RAcast seems like the perfect addition to the team you play in since nobody can do traps. Traps make clearing rooms VERY easy http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif. Don't listen to all the RAmarl fans, trust me a RAcast is far more useful for your situation.

If I had to choose one character to level up to 200 it would be my RAcast without a doubt:

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[Hrith]

Wow, wow, wow, someone needs to stop saying bullshit and learn some things...



On 2004-10-01 01:46, Gjl wrote:
Since you like your RAcast best (you have good taste http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif) go level that one up. Redria is also a better ID than Whitill (which is more of a Force ID).
Whitill is clearly better than Redria, whatever your class, but Whitill is INCREDIBLY BETTER for Rangers since Redria is one of the worst Ranger IDs >_> and Whitill has Guld, Milla, Red Mechgun, Frozen Shooter and many other Mechs and Slicers and Ranger weapons.


Androids are not harder to play offline actually.
I agree, offline is too easy, anyway.


I find my RAcast kills stuff faster than my RAmar and RAmarl of a similar level (120ish) since the damage is only marginally less than what the others can do.
If so, then, to put it frankly, you suck with RAmar/l. RAmarl with Shitta alone completely pwns the RAcast ATP-wise, so if you add Zalure, RAcast is way behind.
Zalure Needle is not an argument, all rangers can use it, and RAmarl can do more damage with her own Zalure + Berserk on Needle >_>


Freeze traps and confuse traps make a HUGE difference, which more than makes up for the lack of Shifta+Zalure IMO.
Not offline, actually, traps are meh offline, you kill things faster if you do not use them. The few exceptions are crowded Mine rooms, Ruins, mini-bosses in GDV and Seabed. Offline, I usually find my RAcast or HUcast with only a total of 6/7 traps used when I reach a healing ring =/


Online, RAcast is better, but I do not see a big difference in any Ranger online, I have never seen, for instance, a RAcast deal more than my RAmarl.
I have a RAcast myself, Lv 169, I can max his ATP and ATA easily and I find myself more useful for the team with my RAmarl.


RAmarl's shifta/deband/jellen/zalure will be made redundant by the force.
Not Jellen/Zalure, especially not Jellen; in some situations, the Force will not be able to Jellen everything (too far and stuck by a group of monsters) in that case it's good to have Lv20 Jellen to use on that Delbiter :S
Not mentioning her Resta that heals up to 660 HP, while RAcast is dependant on the others for healing.


If I had to choose one character to level up to 200 it would be my RAcast without a doubt
Maybeh, but RAmarl is a lot more interesting char to take to 200.
She has much higher ATA and she has more stats all in all, so she's more versatile and brings more interest than just building your RAcast's ATP and HP.

[Gjl]

Well I find in the Ruins/Mines I can kill mobs quicker with confuse traps + the 'almost as good damage' I'll be doing with my Zalure Needle. Just my playing style I guess but not having to run backwards when the enemies get too close makes things so much faster for me. RAmarl would be better for areas like the Seabeds due to the smaller crowds of stronger enemies but for mass crowd control, the RAcast can't be matched http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

The thing I hate about Jellen+Zalure is the range =/. I love meleeing with my FOmar but I find it annoying how I have to walk up to enemies with my RAmarl to Jellen + Zalure them. I guess with a Needle you're gonna be in almost melee range anyway but then again the Needle does get boring quickly, with it's overpoweredness and all http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif.

And about Whitill, I only remembered it as a Force ID - guess I was too lazy to check http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_dead.gif. I rank Redria as a better ID overall though but it is quite sucky for Rangers. No, wait...Spread Needle anyone? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

And about the RAmarl's versatility, if you have a look at the RAcast's stats you'll notice they look pretty darn good for meleeing http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif. Highest DFP, HP, Hunter-like ATP and 'the worst ranger ATA' (but still very high). ATA beyond a certain point is more overkill than anything really. Resta is a big asset though http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_dead.gif.

Usefulness to the team really depends on wether there is a Force with enough brains to cast Jellen+Zalure without requiring everyone else in the team to yell at him for it. A good melee force (best type of support force IMO) won't have any trouble Jellen+Zaluring since he's gonna be right in there with the hunters, and also he's gonna be benefitting himself with his support techs so he's going to make damn sure he does his job well http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

Yes, the RAmarl is more versatile than the RAcast if you include the support abilities. Both can range and melee very well, but I guess the RAcast is lacking in the tech department http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif.

Well since Gynn_Rei is offline only and plays regularly with his group of friends (2 HUmars and a FOnewm O.o) I'd say the RAcast would be better, and if the FOnewm isn't supporting then slap him (one advantage to offline multimode http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif). The RAcast will also make up for the lack of traps in that team.

[PJ]

On 2004-09-30 11:31, Gjl wrote:
one lvl 200 character is the same exp as two lvl 180 characters or three lvl 120 characters. The last 20 levels are a bitch and are only there for bragging rights.

120 is not even CLOSE to third of 180 http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif My HUmar (122) has just past 5 million EXP, my FOmar (145) has over 11 or 12 million EXP. And I think 170 is 36 Million, so a level 145 is a third of the way to 170 XP http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Hrith]

On 2004-10-01 04:09, Gjl wrote:
for mass crowd control, the RAcast can't be matched
Actually, like I said, RAmarl with Berserk Needle pwns RAcast


And about Whitill, I only remembered it as a Force ID - guess I was too lazy to check http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_dead.gif. I rank Redria as a better ID overall though but it is quite sucky for Rangers.
I rank Whitill way above Redria, whatever your class. Whitill is best for Hunters and Rangers than Forces (still very good for forces, whether melee or cast), so I still wonder how you got the idea it was a force ID mainly >_>


Highest DFP, HP, Hunter-like ATP and 'the worst ranger ATA' (but still very high).
RAcaseal has highest DFP, not RAcast.
He has good stats for meleeing only if he is supported. RAmarl is a clearly better meleer, not mentioning the RAmarl's better animation with most melee weapons.
The difference between 224 ATA and 241 ATA is as huge as noticeable.
In Forest or Cave, sure it's ok, but that's not where I play. So his ATA is a huge drawback, I use S-Parts on my RAcast most of the time because his ATA is so low for a Ranger.

Yes, the RAmarl is more versatile than the RAcast if you include the support abilities. Both can range and melee very well, but I guess the RAcast is lacking in the tech department http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif
Have you actually tried to melee with a RAcast ?
I have, and I can tell you he sucks at it, not to be compared with RAmarl, not a second.

The argument that his offline team has no traps is very good, and since offline single mode is so easy, Gynn should just pick which char he likes better visually. But in a team with a FO, any Ranger does the same job, none is better.
RAcast can sometimes, though rarely, deal more damage if he has a powerful weapon, whereas RAmarl can do some extra support, but apart from that all Rangers in multiplayer are equal... more or less...

[Gjl]

Well about the ATA...I have no problems hitting whatsoever in Ultimate ruins multiplayer with only 160ish base, so I don't see why I will need 240 ATA (or however much the RAmarl gets). I think it's pretty rediculous to state that 224 ATA isn't enough for anything beyond Forest/Caves... That's a huge exaggeration.

I would have thought that a Soul Banish + maxed ATP on a RAcast would be sort of like playing a weaker HUcast, which can't too bad http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif. What weapons do you use for meleeing exactly? The Double Saber animation on males does suck, but they have a better Partisan animation if I'm not mistaken. Well I never considered meleeing capabilities to be a huge factor in deciding what ranger to pick, but since lvl 200 takes so damn long to get, I suppose meleeing would make a nice change from sniping when you get bored, heh.

In a team with a FO I'd have thought it would be almost a certainty that a RAcast would be doing more damage than a RAmarl (205 more max ATP, faster ATP growth too) if they have the same items.

I agree that they are pretty much equal though. I mean a RAcaseal is like an ugly RAcast with marginally higher ATA, more DFP and EVP (why is the best tank in the game a ranger?) and less ATP. The ATP difference between the RAmar, RAmarl and RAcaseal is hardly visible. Same goes for RAmar, RAcast and RAcaseal EVP O.o. Really no reason for there to be 4 rangers. Just the RAcast and the RAmarl would have worked http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

[Hrith]

On 2004-10-01 07:14, Gjl wrote:
Well about the ATA...I have no problems hitting whatsoever in Ultimate ruins multiplayer with only 160ish base, so I don't see why I will need 240 ATA (or however much the RAmarl gets). I think it's pretty rediculous to state that 224 ATA isn't enough for anything beyond Forest/Caves... That's a huge exaggeration.
I never said 224 ATA is not enough past Forest, Temple, Cave etc. I said you will notice the difference between 224 and 241 past those areas.
Let alone in GDV, Tower or Seabed.
His ATA is definitely a huge drawback for a ranger.


I would have thought that a Soul Banish + maxed ATP on a RAcast would be sort of like playing a weaker HUcast
Except Rangers cannot use Banish, but you can use S-Rank Scythe instead, the minus in ATA is ok since they're Rangers


In a team with a FO I'd have thought it would be almost a certainty that a RAcast would be doing more damage than a RAmarl (205 more max ATP, faster ATP growth too) if they have the same items.
I still need to witness this, having a 200 RAmarl and a 169 RAcast.

btw, RAmarl maxes ATP in the 140s, RAcast in the 160s.

[anwserman]

Aw, screw the RAmarl or the RAcast.
Get a FOnewearl with a Bringer's Rifle and you'll be set. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

....
Basically, it depends. RAcast provides more of a challenge and at times, you'll be dependent on your teammates. RAmarl, like the HUnewearl, is incredibly self-sufficient and alone can be a powerhouse.

[Gjl]

On 2004-10-01 09:39, anwserman wrote:
Aw, screw the RAmarl or the RAcast.
Get a FOnewearl with a Bringer's Rifle and you'll be set. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

....
Basically, it depends. RAcast provides more of a challenge and at times, you'll be dependent on your teammates. RAmarl, like the HUnewearl, is incredibly self-sufficient and alone can be a powerhouse.



So basically it depends on how often Gynn plays with those buddies of his.

Melee FOnewearl http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif... The longer than rifle range simple techs pwn anything, but I guess the whole point is it's a challenge.

[Gynn_Rei]

On 2004-10-01 13:20, Gjl wrote:


On 2004-10-01 09:39, anwserman wrote:
Aw, screw the RAmarl or the RAcast.
Get a FOnewearl with a Bringer's Rifle and you'll be set. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

....
Basically, it depends. RAcast provides more of a challenge and at times, you'll be dependent on your teammates. RAmarl, like the HUnewearl, is incredibly self-sufficient and alone can be a powerhouse.



So basically it depends on how often Gynn plays with those buddies of his.

Melee FOnewearl http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif... The longer than rifle range simple techs pwn anything, but I guess the whole point is it's a challenge.



If I play it will just be with 1 other person... not 4 at a time. I keep it all on single mode, and I think I'll just go for my RAmarl... although Redria finds Panzer Faust, Agito 1980/77, Spread Needle, Ano Rifle and Monkey King Bar. Redria has better drops in Seabed than Withill though Withill has good drops in the Ruins.

I just said that an Android would be different than those stupid Human males ar Newman's, it's a different play style. It's more that I want to compete with my friends not to look alike and fight along. But I like the ID of a RAcast having best ATP and HP so...

Ata will not be a problem with my Final Impact 45% on hit and some other percentages.