NUG-2000: Best online ranger weapon? [Archive]

Gjl

Oct 2, 2004, 04:26 PM

After getting my Yellowboze FOmar into Ultimate Mines at lvl 60, I set out to find myself the amazingly cool NUG-2000 despite people saying it sucks. 20 levels later and it landed with 5% A. Best untekked =/. Hit would have been nice, but I got it so easily (200th Canabin or so) I don't care http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

Anyway, I took my lvl 120 RAcast to the Seabeds alongside my brother and his lvl 130 RAmar. Thanks to my shitty ATA (207, had to equip a God/Arm and Elf/Arm++ just to equip it) I could only hit the bastards with a light attack since it has about the same ATA as my Yas-9k mechs and it can't combo (well I guess it would be pretty fucking overpowered if it could, and a rapid fire bazooka would look pretty dumb). Thanks to the shitload of ATP it comes with, I was doing around 300 and owning with only a light attacks (and crappy lvl 15 RAmar shifta with lvl 33 Zalure from an S-rank Needle).

With max ATA and S-Parts from an android I can imagine it being the best Ranger weapon for multiplayer. Needles are plain crap online since they fire so damn fast, it's so easy to damage cancel with them. This is a big problem with hunters in your team since you'll end up slowing the team down instead of helping. The NUG-2000 is powerful and limits you to 1 bullet every 2 seconds so you are much less likely to damage cancel. It also has a Rafoie explosion which can easily hit every enemy in the room if you gather them up. Sure it won't be doing as much damage a second as a Needle on paper, but you won't be cancelling out as much damage either so it probably works out better. Plus it has much better range than then Needle. In high level teams enemies will be dying in seconds anyway, so not being able to combo isn't much of a problem.

With lvl 30 Shifta, Max RAcast ATP, lvl 30 Zalure and no percents on the weapon you can do 727 damage on a hard attack, or 1091 with a critical on an Ultimate Delbiter. It doesn't matter if you can't combo with it since enemies probably die before you get a chance to finish a full combo if your team is good enough.

The weapon also works great with traps. Just dump a trap and shoot in the same rough direction. Who needs a Frozen Shooter? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

You can also shoot really quickly with it if you 'melee' with it. If you get whacked you'll be able to shoot straight after taking damage. Not too bad for soloing http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

The only real problem with it is that the ATA on it sucks. Not being able to combo is probably a blessing online (it's not that slow either...with a God/Battle I can fire once every 2 seconds). Basically it's Rafoie that does nice damage.

doubletake123

Oct 2, 2004, 06:16 PM

Their are much better weapons than the nug, i'd choose a frozen shooter over a nug anytime and have a pair of mech equipped=pwnage.Your also less likely to get hurt with a FS and mechs then with a one shot weapon. But congrats on the find i do think that weapon is cool looking though.

Oct 2, 2004, 06:28 PM

On 2004-10-02 14:26, Gjl wrote:
Thanks to my shitty ATA (207, had to equip a God/Arm and Elf/Arm++ just to equip it) I could only hit the bastards with a light attack

When is 207 ever bad ATA? o_O

Needles are plain crap online since they fire so damn fast, it's so easy to damage cancel with them.

Damage cancel isn't a problem in normal gameplay. The problem with Needle is that it just sucks. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

In high level teams enemies will be dying in seconds anyway, so not being able to combo isn't much of a problem.

So the NUG is more of a tagging weapon? o_O

The weapon also works great with traps. Just dump a trap and shoot in the same rough direction. Who needs a Frozen Shooter? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Yeah, but what happens when you run out of traps? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

dave-on

Oct 2, 2004, 06:52 PM

i'd take my baranz anyday over a nug

Primrose

Oct 2, 2004, 07:21 PM

Baranz Launcher is not really better. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

Well, if you fear damage cancel, use Rifles and weapons with strong ATP, not multihit weapons.
Damage cancel is unavoidable online, and offline playing mulitplayer, id prefer a team mate with Spread Needle.
Or try Shots instead? You never mentioned shots, only Spread Needle. Online, S-Rank Shot is better than S-Rank Needle in my opinion, thanks to better range and higher ATP.
Id really like to have a shot type weapon with hit% and Spirit for my RAmar, that would be an extremely good online weapon, especially since its team friendlier than Berserk. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

Corey

Oct 2, 2004, 08:15 PM

SUPAH you clearly don't know the wonders of a S RANK NEEDLE...

Skorpius

Oct 2, 2004, 08:55 PM

Iron Faust > Nug 2000
Just because..
:|

EDIT: 19 less ata needed, 10 more ata, 108 less atp, and confucsion as a special http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif I like my Faust.

[ This Message was edited by: Skorpius on 2004-10-02 18:57 ]

Cesil08

Oct 2, 2004, 09:59 PM

I wish i had had a nug for Solid Snake.

Oct 2, 2004, 11:17 PM

On 2004-10-02 18:15, Corey wrote:
SUPAH you clearly don't know the wonders of a S RANK NEEDLE...

Does it have better range? Better ATP?

Eihwaz

Oct 2, 2004, 11:23 PM

On 2004-10-02 21:17, SUPAH_CHAO wrote:
Does it have better range? Better ATP?
You can put S-Rank specials on it. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Deus-Irae

Oct 3, 2004, 01:00 AM

so Needles suck and Nugs are the best RA wep?!

are we in some sort of Bizarro World here? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

Nugs are very rare and interesting for being different. otherwise they arent very usefull. Needles on the other hand are a RA staple, very usefull. even more so with a good special (not that arrest is bad at all)

*leaves in disgust*

[ This Message was edited by: Deus-Irae on 2004-10-02 23:01 ]

Corey

Oct 3, 2004, 01:38 AM

On 2004-10-02 21:17, SUPAH_CHAO wrote:

On 2004-10-02 18:15, Corey wrote:
SUPAH you clearly don't know the wonders of a S RANK NEEDLE...

Does it have better range? Better ATP?

Same Range, -FIXED- ATP, -tiney- less ATP, and can have Zalure/Berzerk.

I LIKE those abilities.

Gjl

Oct 3, 2004, 01:48 AM

On 2004-10-02 23:00, Deus-Irae wrote:
so Needles suck and Nugs are the best RA wep?!

are we in some sort of Bizarro World here? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

Nugs are very rare and interesting for being different. otherwise they arent very usefull. Needles on the other hand are a RA staple, very usefull. even more so with a good special (not that arrest is bad at all)

*leaves in disgust*

[ This Message was edited by: Deus-Irae on 2004-10-02 23:01 ]

Well I'm sure your HUcast loves getting his Zanba beserk hits cancelled out by Needle spam http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif. Damage cancel helps to balance the game out IMO since two of the most overpowered weapons in the game (Needles and mechs) are shit for teamplay because of it. Needles have really sucky range too so it makes them crap for areas like the Seabeds where the enemies are more spread out.

Say you have two HUcasts with a Zanba equipped, 1 RA and a support Force. The enemies are going to die rapidly to the insane damage the HUcasts are going to do so if you're going to get a hit in at least make it count. Also the Needles crappy range means you might not be able to hit enemies in time before they die in larger rooms. NUG is better for teams because it is more team friendly. It's a lot better for tagging too and if you are weak enough to only tag enemies, you won't be spraying out tons of bullets on to enemies like how you would with a Needle.

I don't like the Frozen Shooter too much since it's great for freezing stuff like Delbiters, but pretty useless on crowds (and makes it difficult to gather up enemies for sword attacks). Androids have freeze traps but I guess humans don't have other options. Shame you can only carry 1 weapon online thanks to FSOD =/.

Yeah I never did mention shots, Primrose. They're better than Needles online at least. Probably for human Rangers shots are better since you can get spirit, but I can't use that on my RAcast so Beserk in the Seabeds is risky at my level since I need full HP to survive Zoa critical hits O.o.

I would love to see a 3 NUG, 1 Force team one day http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif.

When is 207 ever bad ATA? o_O

I couldn't hit the enemies in the Seabeds with a hard attack, and the weapon has really crap ATA (barely better than my Yas-9ks). Not being able to combo means you can't boost accuracy =/. Biggest problem with the weapon.

Skorpius

Oct 3, 2004, 03:34 AM

Shame you can only carry 1 weapon online thanks to FSOD
I dont fear it...
:gets FSOD next game:

D:

Hrith

Oct 3, 2004, 05:25 AM

NUG online = MISS over and over, especially since it cannot combo.

Needle is clearly better, especially S-Rank.
And Corey, S-Rank has slightly more ATP than Spread Needle.

I use my NUG from time to time offline (thing is I hardly play offline anymore), but I tried it online, it was MISS all the way, and that was in Spaceship with 271 ATA (RAmarl 241+30).

Besides Launcher animation is uber ugly on males, they look like they dunno how to use them >_>

So I can testify that NUG sucks big time online, maybe if it had hit% it would do ok, but it would need 30% hit at least to hit in most areas (excluding the last 3 areas of Ep2 (GDV, Tower, Seabed), it would need more for those areas since I sometimes miss there with a weapon that has 75 ATA (FS with 15% hit, for instance) that can combo.
And that's with a RAmarl, now with the RAcast's shitty ATA... Unless you use Red Ring or Ranger Wall which are both hacked >_>

And when I use it offline, that's in Temple, Cave or so, not GDV, etc. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Really, it looks cool, I was so glad when I found it, but in actual use, it makes you more a deadweight than anything else.

And to reply to what you said to Deus, I never had any problem of damage cancel when I use my Zanba in a team with a Needle-using Ranger, not ever.
Damage Cancel is not as present as you seem to think it is, and it's only really annoying in C-mode, like Ketchup said in another topic recently.

Gjl

Oct 3, 2004, 06:17 AM

On 2004-10-03 03:25, Kef wrote:
NUG online = MISS over and over, especially since it cannot combo.

Needle is clearly better, especially S-Rank.
And Corey, S-Rank has slightly more ATP than Spread Needle.

I use my NUG from time to time offline (thing is I hardly play offline anymore), but I tried it online, it was MISS all the way, and that was in Spaceship with 271 ATA (RAmarl 241+30).

Besides Launcher animation is uber ugly on males, they look like they dunno how to use them >_>

So I can testify that NUG sucks big time online, maybe if it had hit% it would do ok, but it would need 30% hit at least to hit in most areas (excluding the last 3 areas of Ep2 (GDV, Tower, Seabed), it would need more for those areas since I sometimes miss there with a weapon that has 75 ATA (FS with 15% hit, for instance) that can combo.
And that's with a RAmarl, now with the RAcast's shitty ATA... Unless you use Red Ring or Ranger Wall which are both hacked >_>

And when I use it offline, that's in Temple, Cave or so, not GDV, etc. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Really, it looks cool, I was so glad when I found it, but in actual use, it makes you more a deadweight than anything else.

And to reply to what you said to Deus, I never had any problem of damage cancel when I use my Zanba in a team with a Needle-using Ranger, not ever.
Damage Cancel is not as present as you seem to think it is, and it's only really annoying in C-mode, like Ketchup said in another topic recently.

Bah, I doubt I'll ever have enough patience to hunt one with hit%. Maybe I'll level up my FOmar in the Mines, but those Yellowboze Seabeds look damn nice http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif. Does it really miss all the time with 273 ATA? Bah... It didn't miss very often in multiplayer Seabeds but I guess I didn't do hard attacks. Bastard Sonic Team! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bash.gif

And about the RAcasts low ATA, it's 239 max if you factor in S-Parts 2.01 http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif (which I'm using my NUG to hunt, hmm...fun http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif).

Oct 3, 2004, 07:02 AM

On 2004-10-02 23:38, Corey wrote:
Same Range, -FIXED- ATP, -tiney- less ATP, and can have Zalure/Berzerk.

That's the biggest problem with the Needle. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

Deus-Irae

Oct 3, 2004, 07:04 AM

On 2004-10-03 03:25, Kef wrote:
And to reply to what you said to Deus, I never had any problem of damage cancel when I use my Zanba in a team with a Needle-using Ranger, not ever.
Damage Cancel is not as present as you seem to think it is, and it's only really annoying in C-mode, like Ketchup said in another topic recently.

wrong guy. i care not for damage cancel when not in c-mode. (i know you meant, the racast dude. not me)

obviously Needle > Nug.

and as far as the poor range on needle. what, should it be rifle range?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

thats what rifles are for folks. 1 rifle (or yas9k...) + 1 needle = 1 well equipped RA.

On 2004-10-02 23:48, Gjl wrote:
Well I'm sure your HUcast loves getting his Zanba beserk hits cancelled out by Needle spam http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif. Damage cancel helps to balance the game out IMO since two of the most overpowered weapons in the game (Needles and mechs) are shit for teamplay because of it. Needles have really sucky range too so it makes them crap for areas like the Seabeds where the enemies are more spread out.

Say you have two HUcasts with a Zanba equipped, 1 RA and a support Force. The enemies are going to die rapidly to the insane damage the HUcasts are going to do so if you're going to get a hit in at least make it count. Also the Needles crappy range means you might not be able to hit enemies in time before they die in larger rooms. NUG is better for teams because it is more team friendly. It's a lot better for tagging too and if you are weak enough to only tag enemies, you won't be spraying out tons of bullets on to enemies like how you would with a Needle.

I don't like the Frozen Shooter too much since it's great for freezing stuff like Delbiters, but pretty useless on crowds (and makes it difficult to gather up enemies for sword attacks). Androids have freeze traps but I guess humans don't have other options. Shame you can only carry 1 weapon online thanks to FSOD =/.

Yeah I never did mention shots, Primrose. They're better than Needles online at least. Probably for human Rangers shots are better since you can get spirit, but I can't use that on my RAcast so Beserk in the Seabeds is risky at my level since I need full HP to survive Zoa critical hits O.o.

I would love to see a 3 NUG, 1 Force team one day http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif.

When is 207 ever bad ATA? o_O

I couldn't hit the enemies in the Seabeds with a hard attack, and the weapon has really crap ATA (barely better than my Yas-9ks). Not being able to combo means you can't boost accuracy =/. Biggest problem with the weapon.

there is so much to respond to in this reply, i dont have time now.

ill be back in front of the PC in about 16 hrs. see you then! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Deus-Irae on 2004-10-03 05:12 ]

Oct 3, 2004, 07:25 AM

On 2004-10-03 05:04, Deus-Irae wrote:
and as far as the poor range on needle. what, should it be rifle range?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

No, it shouldn't be. But I could use a Partisan in the same range, probably hit more enemies for more damage. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif (Ok, ppartisan having Needle range is an exaggeration, but it's just really low).

I really like shots. They're moderately powerful and they have excellent range. They aren't even that slow. Needles on the other hand have 2 handicaps, and that is why I dislike them (But for some reason, I just like saying, "Squirel Range," and, "Squirel Power" http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif )

Gjl

Oct 3, 2004, 09:05 AM

On 2004-10-03 05:25, SUPAH_CHAO wrote:

On 2004-10-03 05:04, Deus-Irae wrote:
and as far as the poor range on needle. what, should it be rifle range?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

No, it shouldn't be. But I could use a Partisan in the same range, probably hit more enemies for more damage. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif (Ok, ppartisan having Needle range is an exaggeration, but it's just really low).

I really like shots. They're moderately powerful and they have excellent range. They aren't even that slow. Needles on the other hand have 2 handicaps, and that is why I dislike them (But for some reason, I just like saying, "Squirel Range," and, "Squirel Power" http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif )

Yes Needle range isn't that much better than a Partisan/Sword, so if that's all you use then you might as well make a hunter http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif. Shots with a God/Battle own Needles for online play any day (and it's easy to get Shots with hit + good special from the shops).

EDIT: I meant 'yes' in agreement with SUPAH_CHAO, not that Needles need more range. Thought I'd make that clear. Needles are already overpowered as it is.

[ This Message was edited by: Gjl on 2004-10-03 23:32 ]

Gjl

Oct 3, 2004, 05:09 PM

Well thanks to the power of my legendary NUG, I managed to get myself a lovely pair of S-Parts 2.01 after pwning everything in normal Mines, after only 10 or so runs too O.o.

My NUG will be a lot more useful now with the added ATA. I guess Seabeds are probably still out of bounds if I'm gonna be using hard attacks. Does anyone know what the hit chance formula is? I know that hard attacks use 70% of your ATA, and specials use 50% but I would really like to know what my chances are of hitting with a NUG at max ATA in say Ult Mines.

Nai_Calus

Oct 3, 2004, 05:42 PM

Oh god, not more fucking Needle bashing.

Ok, one. OH FUCKING NOES, IT DOESN'T HAVE 82,331,499 ATP AND IT DOESN'T HAVE 2x RIFLE RANGE!!11one1!1

Yeah, and? It's not fucking supposed to, dumbasses. It's designed the way it is for a reason. Not enough damage? WTF are you people on about, I see RAmarls fucking owning everything in sight and doing 500 damage with the fucking things, how is that bad? Shot with God/Battle? Yeah, and how about NEEDLE with God/Battle? I find shots to be incredibly fucking slow and worthless. I would never even consider using a Shot unless I didn't have access to a Needle. Not enough range? You must really hate HUs, then... I don't have a problem, and if you are having problems with say, getting in and hitting... Then stop fucking playing on Vega with multi-equipping HUcasts, you moron.

Ok, two. Damage cancel? And who the FUCK worries about damage cancel outside of cmode? Holy jesus of hell, it might take half a second longer to clear that room! And Prim is technically wrong about damage cancel being unavoidable, at least outside of bosses. Sure you can avoid damage cancel. Single-target weapons, everybody disperse and attack different monsters. Easy. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif But then again, people usually aren't TAing, say, EN4. XP

Three... Yeah, I'm just going to shake my head here. Dude, non-comboing pieces of crap are not better than real, useful weapons. OMG Dark Flow is so strong, it's awesome! Except no, it's not, because it doesn't fucking combo.

You keep pretending that pieces of useless shit are actually GOOD, and I'll keep happily using stuff that really is.

Skorpius

Oct 3, 2004, 06:00 PM

Faust > Ian
That's all I have to say... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

EDIT: Actually, about Needle, you can juggle swarms easily, without trouble, and down them fast. My level 90 RAcaseal can probably solo Ruins online with my Zelure Needle :L!!

[ This Message was edited by: Skorpius on 2004-10-03 16:01 ]

shingo

Oct 3, 2004, 06:33 PM

Ano rifles owns nug

Hrith

Oct 3, 2004, 08:39 PM

Chain Sawd owns Twinkle Star ? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

Tsudo_Plat

Oct 3, 2004, 08:49 PM

Oct 3, 2004, 09:33 PM

On 2004-10-03 15:42, Ian-KunX wrote:
Oh god, not more fucking Needle bashing.

I don't think I've ever said this before... but...

OMFG more people claiming the awesomeness of Needle. Please, it seems like I'm the only person who tries to point out why it sucks >_>

Ok, one. OH FUCKING NOES, IT DOESN'T HAVE 82,331,499 ATP AND IT DOESN'T HAVE 2x RIFLE RANGE!!11one1!1

Wow. That was the dumbest thing I've ever read.

You're right. It's not SUPPOSED to have OMG MEGA UBER 1337 ATP, but I just don't think it has enough ATP to be useful. And my point about the range, it's not that it doesn't have enough range, just you get almost as much range with a partisan, and do more damage, to more than 5 enemies. Biatch.

Shot with God/Battle? Yeah, and how about NEEDLE with God/Battle? I find shots to be incredibly fucking slow and worthless.

Pick up a random Arms. I find it a bajillion times more useful than my 30% Hit Needle http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

I'll be honest when I say I think I'm the only person who actually bashes this piece of trash, and everyone glorifies it like... it's the best weapon in the game. Which people claim it is anyways >_>

Skorpius

Oct 3, 2004, 09:56 PM

Cant juggle enemies with a shot :/

Gjl

Oct 4, 2004, 01:30 AM

On 2004-10-03 15:42, Ian-KunX wrote:
Oh god, not more fucking Needle bashing.

Ok, one. OH FUCKING NOES, IT DOESN'T HAVE 82,331,499 ATP AND IT DOESN'T HAVE 2x RIFLE RANGE!!11one1!1

Yeah, and? It's not fucking supposed to, dumbasses. It's designed the way it is for a reason. Not enough damage? WTF are you people on about, I see RAmarls fucking owning everything in sight and doing 500 damage with the fucking things, how is that bad? Shot with God/Battle? Yeah, and how about NEEDLE with God/Battle? I find shots to be incredibly fucking slow and worthless. I would never even consider using a Shot unless I didn't have access to a Needle. Not enough range? You must really hate HUs, then... I don't have a problem, and if you are having problems with say, getting in and hitting... Then stop fucking playing on Vega with multi-equipping HUcasts, you moron.

Ok, two. Damage cancel? And who the FUCK worries about damage cancel outside of cmode? Holy jesus of hell, it might take half a second longer to clear that room! And Prim is technically wrong about damage cancel being unavoidable, at least outside of bosses. Sure you can avoid damage cancel. Single-target weapons, everybody disperse and attack different monsters. Easy. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif But then again, people usually aren't TAing, say, EN4. XP

Three... Yeah, I'm just going to shake my head here. Dude, non-comboing pieces of crap are not better than real, useful weapons. OMG Dark Flow is so strong, it's awesome! Except no, it's not, because it doesn't fucking combo.

You keep pretending that pieces of useless shit are actually GOOD, and I'll keep happily using stuff that really is.

One. I'm bashing it because it's incredily overpowered, boring and overused. I know it does the most damage per second and whatever. Needle + God/Battle = tons of damage cancel which is why I prefer a Shot + God/Battle. It isn't THAT slow ya know, but you're just used to the cheesy rifle speed of the Needle. The range on the Needle sucks for a gun and almost defeats the point of a Ranger. It's still overpowered regardless. And to be honest, I never played in VEGA from the start so I'm not sure where that comment came. It's very difficult to hit enemies in Seabeds with a Needle, and a Needle is a poor choice for the place anyway.

Two. Damage cancel might not be a problem on a Ranger with max or almost max ATP since he'll make up for it with damage. What about a lvl 90 Ranger who just got that Needle of his, and is running around doing 150 damage or so?

Three. Well I wasn't talking about swords because those are slow enough not to cause much damage cancel. I just thought the NUG would be a better team weapon than a Needle because it's more team friendly (but now I've realised the NUGs accuracy is lousy even at max ATA, I'll probably agree with you that it sucks).

I've already realised it sucks, Ian. My argument for the NUG was pretty much destroyed anyway when Kef stated that the accuracy is fucking abysmal, even at max ATA. I only hunted it because it looks amazingly cool, and is fun to use (albeit only in areas like Forest http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif). I'm very happy with it, and I even managed to get myself the best legit android shield at this time (S-Parts 2.01) because of it.

Well sorry for starting a discussion about another Ranger weapon which might be decent online. Everyone can all go back to using their Needles now.

And in closing, Spirit/Beserk Arms + 50% hit are a better team weapon than a Needle.

Skorpius

Oct 4, 2004, 03:02 AM

Charge Gungnir 50 hit > Shots ;/
which is what i use over anything else.

And, I would rather use a Zelure Needle, with no God/Battle, than waste a Battle on a ranged fighter, though...

Anyway, uh, Nug could be good on Dragon, and Worm! o.O

[ This Message was edited by: Skorpius on 2004-10-04 01:06 ]

Deus-Irae

Oct 4, 2004, 03:19 AM

i should have left in disgust and stayed away.

this topic is full of too much crap to even begin to respond to. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif

Enjoy whichever weapons you like! > Everybody

Hrith

Oct 4, 2004, 04:39 AM

On 2004-10-03 23:30, Gjl wrote:
The range on the Needle sucks for a gun and almost defeats the point of a Ranger.
Needle is the best ranged crowd control weapon, so it does not defeat the point of a Ranger for one second.

It's very difficult to hit enemies in Seabeds with a Needle
Actually it's not, granted you carry other weapons; Spread Needle is excellent in Seabed as its special owns the squids, for instance, making you an excellent team member for the meleers.

Two. Damage cancel might not be a problem on a Ranger with max or almost max ATP since he'll make up for it with damage. What about a lvl 90 Ranger who just got that Needle of his, and is running around doing 150 damage or so?
Good point, I was expecting this one. Needle is only really good on max ATP rangers, at least in a team.

And in closing, Spirit/Beserk Arms + 50% hit are a better team weapon than a Needle.
No.
If you want Berserk or Spirit, use the S-Rank Shot. Arms are only good for Charge special.

I agree that in some situations a powerful Slicer or Shot can outdo a Needle, but those situations are incredibly rare once your Ranger is at a decent Lv.
But for soloing, Needle is not the best Ranger weapon, it's the best weapon in the game, period.

And Chao, you clearly underestimate the range of Needle, it's good enough to pwn anything without getting hurt --> point of a Ranger.
If you use Charge Gungnir with hit% or S-Rank Scythe with Berserk on a Ranger, you will not have the time to land a hit in if I use my S-Rank Needle with Berserk, and that is in most areas.

The right to dislike Spread/S-Rank Needle is rightfully yours, but it's one of the top weapons in the game, you cannot deny that.

Deus-Irae

Oct 4, 2004, 06:16 AM

On 2004-10-04 02:39, Kef wrote:
Needle is not the best Ranger weapon, it's the best weapon in the game, period.

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The right to dislike Spread/S-Rank Needle is rightfully yours, but it's one of the top weapons in the game, you cannot deny that.

im back! (sue me im bored http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)

the Nug is an interesting weapon. its looks pretty cool and is a fun weapon to play with if you like that sort of thing.

just like a Crazy Tune: cool but not practical.

the needle on the other hand PWNS.

i took my lv 123 RAcaseal through ULT PW3 the other day with an S-rank Zalure needle.

she is no where near max ATP and was doing over 4-600 damage per shot.

while the (doofus of a) lv 196 HUcast that found his way into our game was busy deiing over and over, my RAcaseal was untouched. didnt die one time, and basically cleaned house, with the help of 2 other capable teamates.

yeah, it may be overused, what great weapon isnt? but its overused for a good reason: it is one of if not the best weapon in the game.

its actually a lot of fun to use as well http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Deus-Irae on 2004-10-04 04:18 ]

Oct 4, 2004, 06:38 AM

On 2004-10-04 02:39, Kef wrote:
And Chao, you clearly underestimate the range of Needle, it's good enough to pwn anything without getting hurt --> point of a Ranger.

I'm just not finding it very useful with my RAcast, and my RAmarl isn't high enough level to see how much the variable ATP is affected by S/D (And she probably won't get high enough >_>;;; ). Although I guess it helps to say that my RAcast doesn't have max ATP, so I guess he's not doing as much damage as he could.

I don't know how useful the Needle could be on a maxed ATP RAcast/other Ranger, plus FO S/D (Guess I'll need to find out when I get back online @_@), but for my rangers, (3 out of 4 are androids) it is teh suck.

...And let's just say I have a deep grudge on the Needle for dropping twice instead of Red Mechguns, both Merlans and Del-D's have te same drop rate, and I'm doing Retired Hunter. Del-D has dropped me a PD http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

Primrose

Oct 4, 2004, 06:45 AM

Gjl, if youre limited to a non-comboing weapon, and also limited to making normal attacks, than how is that supposed to be useful? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif
Although, i must say, Dark Flow is underrated. If you do Dark Flows special as a final blow (assuming you know approximately how much damage you will inflict) you can save quite some time, because its damage is devastating, although, more so offline, because you might damage cancel yourself. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif
Because if youre near enough, you will hit the enemy twice (one hit is from the sword, and one hit is from the swords particle attack).

On 2004-10-03 15:42, Ian-KunX wrote:
Oh god, not more fucking Needle bashing.

Ok, one. OH FUCKING NOES, IT DOESN'T HAVE 82,331,499 ATP AND IT DOESN'T HAVE 2x RIFLE RANGE!!11one1!1

Yeah, and? It's not fucking supposed to, dumbasses. It's designed the way it is for a reason. Not enough damage? WTF are you people on about, I see RAmarls fucking owning everything in sight and doing 500 damage with the fucking things, how is that bad? Shot with God/Battle? Yeah, and how about NEEDLE with God/Battle? I find shots to be incredibly fucking slow and worthless. I would never even consider using a Shot unless I didn't have access to a Needle. Not enough range? You must really hate HUs, then... I don't have a problem, and if you are having problems with say, getting in and hitting... Then stop fucking playing on Vega with multi-equipping HUcasts, you moron.

Ok, two. Damage cancel? And who the FUCK worries about damage cancel outside of cmode? Holy jesus of hell, it might take half a second longer to clear that room! And Prim is technically wrong about damage cancel being unavoidable, at least outside of bosses. Sure you can avoid damage cancel. Single-target weapons, everybody disperse and attack different monsters. Easy. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif But then again, people usually aren't TAing, say, EN4. XP

Three... Yeah, I'm just going to shake my head here. Dude, non-comboing pieces of crap are not better than real, useful weapons. OMG Dark Flow is so strong, it's awesome! Except no, it's not, because it doesn't fucking combo.

You keep pretending that pieces of useless shit are actually GOOD, and I'll keep happily using stuff that really is.

I dont like the way americans deal with censoring, but Ian-KunX, can you please stop fucking around, it just disturbs my eyes. Nothing against you, but this is just a horrid thing to read. Almost every post of yours has the word fuck in it. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

And i hope you didnt really mean what you said about damage cancel, because im sure you know how i meant it.

Gjl

Oct 4, 2004, 01:15 PM

Ugh, I wrote a pretty long post that got lost to the dreaded 'Cannot find server' message =/. So anyway, here's basically what I wanted to say:

My RAcast used the Needle for ages so I'm well aware of how much it pwns. It's gotten boring though, so I'm looking for alternative weapons. Ok so the NUG doesn't cut it thanks to the total sux0rs ATA. Guess I'll get back to using that Baranz Launcher of mine (very cool looking, and about the only good looking shot, barring the Dark Meteor).

If you want Berserk or Spirit, use the S-Rank Shot. Arms are only good for Charge special.
Oops http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif, guess I overlooked a couple of things.

Actually it's not, granted you carry other weapons; Spread Needle is excellent in Seabed as its special owns the squids, for instance, making you an excellent team member for the meleers.

FSOD sucks, but I guess it helps balance the game out and make you think about what weapon to carry depending on what your team is composed of. Knowing me, I'd probably carry 10 or so weapons with no room for items, if it wasn't for FSOD http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif.

And Deus, you should have told that HUcast to get back to TTF http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif.

Well this topic has been pretty good for me since it made me hunt a pair of S-Parts 2.01 (which I got after like 5 runs http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif) and I'm back to using me old Baranz Launcher http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif.

Hrith

Oct 4, 2004, 01:38 PM

It's not the ATA that ruins NUG, it's the no combo feature =/
If it had less ATP and could combo, it would own, because a weapon with 30 ATA on a Ranger is enough to do weak-hard-hard, or weak-weak-hard depending on the situation (see Guld Milla).

I think Baranz Launcher is one of the worst Ranger weapons, it's barely better than Belra Cannon, Burning Visit or Power Maser >_>
Its bullets are so slow that not only do you miss 80% of the time in Ult, but also monsters actually have the time to dodge them !
The special does not make up for it.

S-Rank Shot is the most powerful Launcher and looks a lot better, too >_>

Gjl

Oct 4, 2004, 02:09 PM

On 2004-10-04 11:38, Kef wrote:
It's not the ATA that ruins NUG, it's the no combo feature =/
If it had less ATP and could combo, it would own, because a weapon with 30 ATA on a Ranger is enough to do weak-hard-hard, or weak-weak-hard depending on the situation (see Guld Milla).

I think Baranz Launcher is one of the worst Ranger weapons, it's barely better than Belra Cannon, Burning Visit or Power Maser >_>
Its bullets are so slow that not only do you miss 80% of the time in Ult, but also monsters actually have the time to dodge them !
The special does not make up for it.

S-Rank Shot is the most powerful Launcher and looks a lot better, too >_>

Having combos would make it look silly (rapid fire bazooka? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif), but it would fucking own, yes o.o. If they upped the ATP and ATA on the NUG, then we might have had a comboless weapon worth using. (Rafoie explosions doing 1k+ damage, and with good accuracy - if only http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif).

Baranz Launcher sucks? Meh, I beg to differ. The Baranz looks great, but best on the RAcast. I don't have a problem with the bullets since the enemies come straight at me. They also home in slightly to make up for the speed somewhat. Mind you, I haven't actually used it in a 4 player game yet so with enemies running all over the place, things might be different.

I'm gonna get an S-Rank Shot anyway, if I don't fucking crash at Vol Opt again (has happened MANY times thanks to the laggy JP servers http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif).

Oct 4, 2004, 02:31 PM

For once I can agree with Gjl (What the... how does that work? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )

I love my Baranz Launcher. I have no problems hitting with it with 200 ATA (Base).

EDIT: Belra Cannon... gawd no. Don't even compare the Launcher to THAT. Someone with a basic saber would be more welcomed in one of my games >_>

If a weapon can't combo, it's not worth it, IMO. And Belra Cannon is the worst of it's kind http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[random words]I need to get back online... I wanna play with Kef http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif [/random words]

[ This Message was edited by: SUPAH_CHAO on 2004-10-04 12:34 ]

Hrith

Oct 4, 2004, 02:48 PM

I wanna play with j00, too, Chao ;-;

We've been talking about it for so long, hope we will someday.

And yeah, maybe Baranz is okay for offline solo, but that's it.

KaneKahn

Oct 4, 2004, 02:50 PM

I got one about 2 days ago with my Yellowboze it was 10%Hit Untekked and I tekked it to 20% Hit http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Gjl

Oct 4, 2004, 02:53 PM

On 2004-10-04 12:31, SUPAH_CHAO wrote:
For once I can agree with Gjl (What the... how does that work? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )

I love my Baranz Launcher. I have no problems hitting with it with 200 ATA (Base).

EDIT: Belra Cannon... gawd no. Don't even compare the Launcher to THAT. Someone with a basic saber would be more welcomed in one of my games >_>

If a weapon can't combo, it's not worth it, IMO. And Belra Cannon is the worst of it's kind http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[random words]I need to get back online... I wanna play with Kef http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif [/random words]

[ This Message was edited by: SUPAH_CHAO on 2004-10-04 12:34 ]

Yeah, the Belra Cannon is awful. I'm suprised you think it's only 'slightly' worse than the Baranz Launcher, Kef O.o. It also happens to look like an enormous diseased toe http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_barf.gif.

O.o a NUG with 20 hit? Wonder if they made it better in Blue Burst.

[ This Message was edited by: Gjl on 2004-10-04 12:55 ]

DezoPenguin

Oct 4, 2004, 03:20 PM

On 2004-10-04 02:39, Kef wrote:
If you want Berserk or Spirit, use the S-Rank Shot. Arms are only good for Charge special.

Why?

(Being offline, I'm never going to get near an S-Rank, so I'm just curious here.)

And speaking of curiosity, I've just realized that even in the portion of this thread where people are comparing which non-comboing weapons are better (or less sucky) than other non-comboing weapons, no one's yet mentioned a Snow Queen, even to raise a debate on its merits or lack thereof?

Hrith

Oct 4, 2004, 03:32 PM

Well if you're offline, Berserk Arms is all good, lol, but since S-Rank Shot is a lot more powerful than Arms and can have Berserk, it's clearly better.

There was a topic about FS vs SQ recently, search for it if you want http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

DezoPenguin

Oct 4, 2004, 03:43 PM

On 2004-10-04 13:32, Kef wrote:
Well if you're offline, Berserk Arms is all good, lol, but since S-Rank Shot is a lot more powerful than Arms and can have Berserk, it's clearly better.

Oh, duh, you can't add Charge to an S-Rank. I think I need to open head, insert brain.

There was a topic about FS vs SQ recently, search for it if you want http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Nah, just wondered why no one had mentioned it. I mean, even if FS is better in most situations, SQ would still seem to me the best non-comboing weapon.

Hrith

Oct 5, 2004, 03:18 AM

here's for Gjl: http://www.ragol.co.uk/forums/images/avatars/episode3_medium/psoicon_guy.png

Deus-Irae

Oct 5, 2004, 03:26 AM

On 2004-10-04 13:43, DezoPenguin wrote:

Oh, duh, you can't add Charge to an S-Rank. I think I need to open head, insert brain.

yesh they can, cant they? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Nah, just wondered why no one had mentioned it. I mean, even if FS is better in most situations, SQ would still seem to me the best non-comboing weapon.

im sure many would agree with you (i know Fox would if he were here. ohhh Foxy???)

non comboing weps aren generally not very usefull, except for SQ!

Hrith

Oct 5, 2004, 04:21 AM

No, no Charge for S-Rank weapons.

Deus-Irae

Oct 5, 2004, 04:43 AM

hm i was too lazy to look it up http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

i gues i mustve been thinking Berserk? i dunno :/

Primrose

Oct 5, 2004, 06:11 AM

A good thing about Snow Queen is, its special has the accuracy of a hard attack.
But actually, i think Frozen Shooter and Snow Queen have two different purposes: Frozen Shooter is for single targets, and Snow Queen is for crowd control.
So, id say Snow Queen is less useful on an Android than on a Human.

Should stop getting off topic...

Gjl

Oct 5, 2004, 12:28 PM

On 2004-10-05 01:18, Kef wrote:
here's for Gjl: http://www.ragol.co.uk/forums/images/avatars/episode3_medium/psoicon_guy.png

Damn, I wish I could use that avatar here http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif. That RAcast is pretty much identical to mine http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif.

I'll probably get shot for asking this, but is the Dark Meteor any good? If and when Sonic Team decides to release the PG:F legitly then I'm going to make one for sure, just for the looks.

Hrith

Oct 5, 2004, 04:29 PM

On 2004-10-05 10:28, Gjl wrote:
Damn, I wish I could use that avatar here http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif. That RAcast is pretty much identical to mine http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif.
And is holding NUG http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

And no, Dark Meteor is the worst of the Dark weapons, i.e. it sucks big time.

Gjl

Oct 6, 2004, 02:05 AM

On 2004-10-05 14:29, Kef wrote:

On 2004-10-05 10:28, Gjl wrote:
Damn, I wish I could use that avatar here http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif. That RAcast is pretty much identical to mine http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif.
And is holding NUG http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

And no, Dark Meteor is the worst of the Dark weapons, i.e. it sucks big time.

I'm guessing it can't combo. Ah well, it still looks damn secksi, and I wonder how the green beam attack works.

Skorpius

Oct 6, 2004, 05:01 AM

It hits whatever its on, and it does damage as it spreads.

O.O....... :idea:

Mwahahahhaa I will be right back!

EDIT: Untekked Dark Meteor sucks :/

[ This Message was edited by: Skorpius on 2004-10-06 03:31 ]

Capricornus

Oct 6, 2004, 08:24 AM

On 2004-10-06 03:01, Skorpius wrote:

EDIT: Untekked Dark Meteor sucks :/

All dupes, hacks do http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/twak.gif

Luis

Oct 7, 2004, 12:12 AM

On 2004-10-04 12:48, Kef wrote:
I wanna play with j00, too, Chao ;-;

We've been talking about it for so long, hope we will someday.

And yeah, maybe Baranz is okay for offline solo, but that's it.

Baranz is okay for offline solo and GREAT for online, thats because i use it, and sometimes the 3 other players in my game depends on my baranz launcher, when the party is not very efficient

Hrith

Oct 7, 2004, 05:09 AM

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Still, a mere Final Impact/Meteor Samsh with hit% is better, let alone S-Rank Shot.

Gjl

Oct 7, 2004, 09:33 AM

What special do you recommend, if I get my S-Rank Shot? I'm leaning towards Beserk at the moment, and I already have a Zalure Needle.

Hrith

Oct 7, 2004, 09:38 AM

As a droid, Berserk is not really a good idea, because you have to play with a good FO everytime >_>

If you actually solo, on or offline, Jellen would be the best.

Gush can help for solo, too, other than that, I dunno, pick whichever special you think you would actually use a lot, otherwise it's a major waste of PDs ;O

Oct 7, 2004, 10:43 AM

On 2004-10-07 07:38, Kef wrote:
Gush can help for solo, too, other than that, I dunno, pick whichever special you think you would actually use a lot, otherwise it's a major waste of PDs ;O

Just like the SRank list I sent you! (If you've even read it yet... note I said I was placing, "Hell," on an SRank Moon http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif and other stupid stuff like Burning on SRank Twin)

Gjl

Oct 7, 2004, 12:36 PM

Not sure if I should leave it blank. At least the S-Rank Shot looks pretty decent with the gold trim http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif. Beserk lets me totally own the Recobox rooms since there's no fear of getting hit there http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif. Plus it adds a bit more challenge for other areas. Heh, looks like I've made up my mind then.

Oct 8, 2004, 02:35 AM

On 2004-10-07 10:36, Gjl wrote:
Not sure if I should leave it blank. At least the S-Rank Shot looks pretty decent with the gold trim http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif. Beserk lets me totally own the Recobox rooms since there's no fear of getting hit there http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif. Plus it adds a bit more challenge for other areas. Heh, looks like I've made up my mind then.

Get a srank shot with jellen or gush (that is the hp one...right?) and i'd recommend srank mechs, they're not that much weaker than GM and are the second strongest mechs in the game.

Hrith

Oct 8, 2004, 04:29 AM

S-Rank Mechs are much weaker than Guld Milla, and they suck on a ranger anyway.

They have 20 ATA >_>
Red Mechgun have 25 and come with hit easily.
Yasminkov 9000M have 27 ATA and have rifle range.
Guld Milla has 30 ATA, is incredibly powerful and has handgun range.

No point in S-Rank Mechgun for Rangers >_>

Of the Hunters, only HUcaseal really has enough ATA to use them effectively online.
Still high hit% Vulcan, or one of the 9 stars mechs will always be much better.

Oct 8, 2004, 05:18 AM

they mught hv bad ata but they do hv high atp..

Capricornus

Oct 8, 2004, 05:38 AM

On 2004-10-08 03:18, SJ wrote:
they mught hv bad ata but they do hv high atp..

All mechs have low atp but are very handy because of their range and 9hit combo.

However, the most important stat on mechs are their ATA. With a lack on that they are fairly useless.

The mechs Kef said to be superior to the Srank mechs because of their higher ATA is for sure a good advice http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Oct 8, 2004, 07:46 AM

On 2004-10-08 03:38, Capricornus wrote:

On 2004-10-08 03:18, SJ wrote:
they mught hv bad ata but they do hv high atp..

All mechs have low atp but are very handy because of their range and 9hit combo.

However, the most important stat on mechs are their ATA. With a lack on that they are fairly useless.

The mechs Kef said to be superior to the Srank mechs because of their higher ATA is for sure a good advice http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

oh i know that, im not a noob http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif but 10 ata is nothing really.
Just switch (if you use one) a pow unit for a ata one.

Hrith

Oct 8, 2004, 10:32 AM

Except Arm units won't increase your ATA over your max http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

And 10 ATA is a whole lot, especially on hunters >_>

And if 10 ATA is nothing, then 10 ATP is ludicrous.
ATP:
S-Rank Mechgun = 110
Yasminkov 9000M = 90
Red Mechgun = 100

So like I said, L&K14 Combat with good hit% pwn S-Rank Mechgun, let alone Yas9k or Red Mechs.

Blitzkommando

Oct 10, 2004, 10:11 PM

Srank mechguns are there for the soul purpose of having the special. Guld Milla is far harder to get than Srank Mechguns, except for you Kef. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Anyway, Srank mechguns are good with one of 3 specials, Gush, Geist, or King's. Though King's is far less useful on Mechguns than on Needle or Shot even. My RAmarl has been using Srank Mechguns for a long while now and allows her to heal up near a third of her 1400+TP in a single combo (88TP a hit). That, to me, gives them usage far and above other weapons as it saves me money on fluids cause I am a cheapskate.

Hrith

Oct 11, 2004, 06:29 AM

heh, leech specials online are incredibly annoying, and I'd rather use a trif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I know GM is rare, but you'll agree that Red Mechs are better http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif in my Guld hunt I found a pair with 20% hit, that's 25 more ATA than S-Rank; I really see no point in S-Rank, even with that custom special thingy.
The only custom special I can stand on RAmarl is Berserk, and it's not too great on mechs.

I've never seen Artillerist use S-Rank, btw =/

And Yas9k's range is truly worth it.

Blitzkommando

Oct 11, 2004, 03:41 PM

I have been using my srank mechs since well before you left. >_> I just use them when I need TP as mentioned before, I am a stingy bastard who won't spend 3600meseta a game. XP

ATHANASEUS

Nov 16, 2004, 11:43 AM

oh come on quit arguing its a game. i like the NUG and its really not that hard to get it with a yellowboze. the canabin trick for 15 - 20 min or so. and seriously weapons are preference. i actually like it better offline multiplayer, and i use a s. needle offline single. then i take out my F.S. when fighting single enemies, and melt more faces. the only reason anyone hates a weapon is

a- theyr pissed that their sec. id cant get it, and so they just bash it.

b- they dont actually have it,and have never used it, and are some loser 12 year old trying to gain e-cool points by yelling via keyboard.

c- they actually have come to a wise and studied conclusion, and if that is there preference, who gives, its an anonymous video game freak on the internet that you will most likely never meet in real life.

Hrith

Nov 16, 2004, 01:18 PM

Ok, n00b, here's for you...

On 2004-11-16 08:43, ATHANASEUS wrote:
I like the NUG and its really not that hard to get it with a yellowboze
Sure, on Vega.

the canabin trick for 15 - 20 min or so.
Canabin trick cannot yield items, nice try, but that's a blatant lie

a- theyr pissed that their sec. id cant get it, and so they just bash it.
I have a Yellowboze and a NUG, and I still bash it >_>

b- they dont actually have it,and have never used it, and are some loser 12 year old trying to gain e-cool points by yelling via keyboard.
See above, I do possess one, and you're more likely to be the "12 year old loser trying to gain e-cool points" with your blatant lie from above.

Try harder...

Tsudo_Plat

Nov 16, 2004, 02:17 PM

Hahaha, man I love watching kids get punked online. Its quite funny.

As far as mechs go, I agree entirely that S-Rank mechs sux0rs big bollocks! Don't waste a good S-Rank on getting the mechgun, when you can get things that are actually useful, such as an S-Rank Shot, or maybe even an S-Rank Twin.

Its too bad that most of the good S-Ranks are from ep2 c-mode... I hate playing ep2 c-mode.... the Gal Gryphon is bytch to beat, expecially when your teammates from Alcyone don't speak English and die over and over again.... >_<

kazuma56

Nov 16, 2004, 09:43 PM

lol, it's funny shen someone tries to back up the argument on lies.

It's good to be back on PSOW...too bad I will be rarely here due to MGS3:SE coming out 2 days from now and GL:Generations along with DBZ:Budokai 3.

As for Mechs, I still prefer Yas9k's over all other mechs, although whenever I get my Hands on a Milla my opinion may change.... or not.

Hrith

Nov 17, 2004, 08:57 AM

Aww, Kazuma =S

Just cuz you leave PSO a bit does not mean you have to leave PSOW, too =/

Dana

Nov 17, 2004, 06:28 PM

On 2004-11-16 10:18, Kef wrote:
Ok, n00b, here's for you...

On 2004-11-16 08:43, ATHANASEUS wrote:
I like the NUG and its really not that hard to get it with a yellowboze
Sure, on Vega.

the canabin trick for 15 - 20 min or so.
Canabin trick cannot yield items, nice try, but that's a blatant lie

a- theyr pissed that their sec. id cant get it, and so they just bash it.
I have a Yellowboze and a NUG, and I still bash it >_>

b- they dont actually have it,and have never used it, and are some loser 12 year old trying to gain e-cool points by yelling via keyboard.
See above, I do possess one, and you're more likely to be the "12 year old loser trying to gain e-cool points" with your blatant lie from above.

Try harder...

i didn't know you had a yellowboze...who....thousand?...nice to see yyou....i don't really like NON-combo's and IMO needles>shot..... i like the speed and the animations, and the bullets!