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Split

Oct 8, 2004, 09:55 PM

This, of course, is my opinion(so TJS haters, don't be offended

Oh my f**king god, why the HELL does everybody say TJS sucks? Everyone's all like, "Oh, yeah, the TJS is powerful, but that's all," and "Believe me, the PB special isn't worth it" not to mention, my favourite,"The TJS has no accuracy ". No accuracy? NO...ACCURACY...?!! ITS A FUCKING SWORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It hits ALL(most) of the enemies in front of you!! And even if it doesnt always hit, it does a SHITLOAD of damage when it does. Oh yeah, and swords aren't SUPPOSED to be accurate! And besides, you should already have a good BASE ATA by the time you've actually FOUND the SJS with that friggn' droprate, much less unsealed it!! Also, Dark Flow!! The even more ultimate weapon than TJS also sucks according to you guys.

RicoRoyal

Oct 8, 2004, 10:08 PM

Dark Flow can't combo. It sucks. That's non-negotiable.

KaFKa

Oct 8, 2004, 10:16 PM

who said TJ sucks? O_o

Split

Oct 8, 2004, 10:16 PM

On 2004-10-08 20:08, RicoRoyal wrote:
Dark Flow can't combo. It sucks. That's non-negotiable.

...okay. I didn't know that. But my post was MAINLY about TJS http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_ak.gif

Split

Oct 8, 2004, 10:19 PM

On 2004-10-08 20:16, KaFKa wrote:
who said TJ sucks? O_o

You definitely didnt. Thank you for seeing it my way KafKa (and don't hurt me). http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_ak.gif

Skorpius

Oct 8, 2004, 10:27 PM

= Flowens Sword 3084 has more potential for damage. +5 LCK, Spirit, better chance for hit percent, being a YELLOWBOZE EP2 drop (yellow ep2 = more chance for hit percent)
= Red Sword is near as strong. If you find with decent hit, the special is far more usefull (especially on a HUcaseal).
= Chain Sawd also has a great special, for bots, at least. Gush + hit + bot = happy.
= Charge Calibur / 50% hit + full LCK = pwnage.

And all are EXTREMLY less rare than a Tsumirikiri J sword. That's why it sucks, the rarity is NOT worth the lack in potential power.

Also, you can use your PB for a 4 chain M&Y PB combo, and get an ATP boost that will make all these swords pwn TJ.

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Nai_Calus

Oct 8, 2004, 10:32 PM

You forgot Berserk S-Rank Sword, and the fact that Red Sword has a damage variable almost as disgusting as Spread Needle's. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

But yes, it's very easy for something less rare to utterly pwn TJ.

...Not to mention that TJ is fugly as all hell.

chantez131313

Oct 8, 2004, 10:42 PM

On 2004-10-08 20:32, Ian-KunX wrote:
...Not to mention that TJ is fugly as all hell.

...In your opinion.

Split

Oct 8, 2004, 10:42 PM

On 2004-10-08 20:32, Ian-KunX wrote:
You forgot Berserk S-Rank Sword, and the fact that Red Sword has a damage variable almost as disgusting as Spread Needle's. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

But yes, it's very easy for something less rare to utterly pwn TJ.

...Not to mention that TJ is fugly as all hell.

OMFG see thats just what I'm talking about! 5 luck will only make the *damage potential* rise slightly, berserk takes away valuable HP, and TJS looks cool, and, at the risk of sounding n00b-ish, pwns all other weapons!!

P.S. How can a weapon that looks like a giant katana (katanas are badass)be fugly? Here's to you http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_ak.gif

Eihwaz

Oct 8, 2004, 11:47 PM

On 2004-10-08 20:42, Split wrote:
OMFG see thats just what I'm talking about! 5 luck will only make the *damage potential* rise slightly, berserk takes away valuable HP, and TJS looks cool, and, at the risk of sounding n00b-ish, pwns all other weapons!! I personally don't really like Swords that much...I'd much rather use a nice Partisan, or hell, even a Slicer. The speed helps to make up for my inherent incompetence. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

P.S. How can a weapon that looks like a giant katana (katanas are badass)be fugly? Here's to you http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_ak.gif It's a big, plain, boring hunk of metal. If you want something that looks cool, try an Imperial Pick, Soul Banish, Red Partisan, or Sealed J-Sword. Maybe Yamigarasu, if you like Katanas...

Oct 8, 2004, 11:59 PM

Yamigarasu is the only cool Katana in my opinion.

Also TJS being so rare it a pretty weapon compare to the others.

People only want the TJS because it so dam rare to find to add to their collection. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

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Nai_Calus

Oct 9, 2004, 01:11 AM

Yeah, it's a giant katana. Problem: It's a giant katana. It looks like they didn't even bother to make it it's own model and just scaled up an Agito for it, giving it a cartoonish, very un-spiffy look.

Now if they'd actually spend more than five seconds on it and actually given it a good model, yeah, it would look cool, big freaking nodachi, nifty. But they didn't. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

Speaking of Japanese weapons in PSO, where's my naginata-style Partisan-type weapon? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif Swords in PSO = suck. XP

Skorpius

Oct 9, 2004, 01:50 AM

Ian, actually, swords dont, if used right.
You can be far away from an enemy (1/2 mech range, almost) and hit with the first swin, especially on females.

I learned recently that the range on melee weapons is almost half of mechgun range

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Corey

Oct 9, 2004, 01:54 AM

Males have a good straight foward animation while
Females have a good range from them on the final swing compared to the Male, although it may be somewhat slower.

Swords are cool, but Soul Banish just owns all Swords and Partasians, hands down.

Skorpius

Oct 9, 2004, 02:02 AM

Female's first swing is nice, though, and if timed properly, it works on all three hits, with room to escape.
I think a lot of people forget that positioning is a skill, too.

"Females have a good range from them on the final swing compared to the Male, although it may be somewhat slower"
er, wait, no, female's first swing lunges, and the range gets cut with each consecutive swing, the third one pretty much doesnt move foward at all :|

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Gjl

Oct 9, 2004, 04:22 AM

Why do you care that people say the TJS sucks? If you think otherwise, then that's good for you.

The special isn't very practical. Although it looks cool for the first 5 or so times you use it, it takes up a full fucking PB bar. Sorry, but I'd much rather have my lvl 81 Shifta/Deband (from a 4 way combo, provided you aren't in a team full of idiots).

Beserk/Spirit weapons will do more damage. If you want the most potential damage in the game, then you should try the Vjaya out. It does triple damage on it's charge special (compared to double damage from normal charge specials), but it costs 10k meseta a swing http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif.

The ATP advantage the TJS has over the other swords means nothing. Sure the stats look nice, but in practise they don't make much of a difference over a Chain Sawd or Zanba for instance (which have better specials).

And yes, it's overused by hacker noobs and happens to be extraordinarily rare to get legitimately. Point is, it isn't worth the countless tower runs to get when there are better and MUCH more common swords available.

Gynn_Rei

Oct 9, 2004, 04:37 AM

What is meant by non-comboing?

Hrith

Oct 9, 2004, 06:35 AM

And TJS cannot have hit%, Skorpius.

I agree that it looks rather plain, but when I see Auracom using it with Shiro, I'm rather jealous ;x

I still like S-Rank Sword the best, even for looks.

And female sword animation sucks while male's pwns, that's why my HUnewearl uses Partisans 90% of the time (well, when not trying to unseal J-Sword >_>)

Gjl

Oct 9, 2004, 06:59 AM

On 2004-10-09 04:35, Kef wrote:
And TJS cannot have hit%, Skorpius.

I agree that it looks rather plain, but when I see Auracom using it with Shiro, I'm rather jealous ;x

I still like S-Rank Sword the best, even for looks.

And female sword animation sucks while male's pwns, that's why my HUnewearl uses Partisans 90% of the time (well, when not trying to unseal J-Sword >_>)

You mean it loses its %s when unsealed? Damn that sucks, especially to the guy who found that 70% hit SJS, hehe.

Deus-Irae

Oct 9, 2004, 07:06 AM

On 2004-10-09 04:35, Kef wrote:
And TJS cannot have hit%, Skorpius.

I agree that it looks rather plain, but when I see Auracom using it with Shiro, I'm rather jealous ;x

yesh, she is uber HAWT with her seksi unsealed sword. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Tycho

Oct 9, 2004, 07:36 AM

On 2004-10-09 05:06, Deus-Irae wrote:

On 2004-10-09 04:35, Kef wrote:
And TJS cannot have hit%, Skorpius.

I agree that it looks rather plain, but when I see Auracom using it with Shiro, I'm rather jealous ;x

yesh, she is uber HAWT with her seksi unsealed sword. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Yeah, I agree it looked cool on Shiro. But.. it's because he has legitly gotten one I think. I mean, on the haxing HUmars, the same thing looks really lame and cliche to me. Meh. It's got style if you have one for real, it doesn't if you didn't. And isn't style at least as important as whether or not the weapon is actually good?

Hrith

Oct 9, 2004, 07:52 AM

Well I agree on the looks > efficiency in PSO, but with limits, you still have to be useful to the team, and not a deadweight.

Gjl

Oct 9, 2004, 08:13 AM

On 2004-10-09 05:52, Kef wrote:
Well I agree on the looks > efficiency in PSO, but with limits, you still have to be useful to the team, and not a deadweight.

That's why I'll never unseal a Sealed J-Sword http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif. Not that I'll ever bother getting one...

Eanae

Oct 9, 2004, 08:17 AM

Compared to the potential of other weapons, the TJS indeed compares horribly. That doesn't mean that the weapon sucks. It's raririty really does cancel out any of the good things about it. How many people are willing to spend countless hundreds of hours looking for this? I know I'm not.

Split

Oct 9, 2004, 10:11 AM

On 2004-10-09 06:17, Eanae wrote:
Compared to the potential of other weapons, the TJS indeed compares horribly. That doesn't mean that the weapon sucks. It's raririty really does cancel out any of the good things about it. How many people are willing to spend countless hundreds of hours looking for this? I know I'm not.

I am...

Gjl

Oct 9, 2004, 10:33 AM

On 2004-10-09 08:11, Split wrote:

On 2004-10-09 06:17, Eanae wrote:
Compared to the potential of other weapons, the TJS indeed compares horribly. That doesn't mean that the weapon sucks. It's raririty really does cancel out any of the good things about it. How many people are willing to spend countless hundreds of hours looking for this? I know I'm not.

I am...

Well good luck to you then, heh.

Like I said, why does it bother you that people think the weapon sucks? If you want to hunt the thing, then do so. Don't listen to us if you don't want to. There's no need to get all blasphemous about it either http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif.

Anyway, good luck and have fun on your little search.

kazuma56

Oct 9, 2004, 03:48 PM

well I think people like the TJ because of FF7 and you-know-who, I think it looks cool, now all I have to do is get my brother to unseal his.

KaFKa

Oct 9, 2004, 04:17 PM

id rather be wielding a legit TJ sword than a red sword, but thats just me. =/

the problem with people saying the special sucks is that its all about your playstyle. if you're playing in a game full of people you know won't run a PB chain, then that useless special all of a sudden gains a room-clearing use.

i honestly think everyone says TJ sucks just because its mass duped and comes a dime a dozen.

Skorpius

Oct 9, 2004, 04:40 PM

RequiemHC

Oct 9, 2004, 04:42 PM

personally I prefer Zanba over T J-Sword anyway.

Gjl

Oct 9, 2004, 05:34 PM

On 2004-10-09 14:17, KaFKa wrote:
id rather be wielding a legit TJ sword than a red sword, but thats just me. =/

the problem with people saying the special sucks is that its all about your playstyle. if you're playing in a game full of people you know won't run a PB chain, then that useless special all of a sudden gains a room-clearing use.

i honestly think everyone says TJ sucks just because its mass duped and comes a dime a dozen.

I'm not sure where you play, but I never had a problem with getting people to pull off a PB Chain, providing nobody cocked up accidentally of course http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

No it isn't the main reason why everyone says it isn't the best sword. It's not regarded as the best sword simply because it isn't. The ATP difference on a weapon adds jack shit extra damage, and you could easily hunt a Zanba or Chainsawd with hit% and benefit from greater ATA and an uber special.

Yes, I would rather wield a Legit TJ Sword than a Red Sword, because the Red Sword is an ugly bloated red pile of crap. I'd also rather wield a much cooler and more useful Zanba with hit% than the TJ Sword http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

Blitzkommando

Oct 9, 2004, 07:56 PM

If you really want that special... make a HUcast or HUcaseal and get a nice Berdysh... same special, better looking, and hella easier.

Eihwaz

Oct 9, 2004, 10:30 PM

On 2004-10-09 17:56, BLITZKOMMANDO wrote:
If you really want that special... make a HUcast or HUcaseal and get a nice Berdysh... same special, better looking, and hella easier.
Actually, the TJSword's special deals hard attack damage, while Berdysh is weak attack damage. [/anal]

But yeah, I'd rather use Berdysh...if I liked Droids much. About the only sword I can see myself using is...Zanba. And those are kinda rareish, I'll probably just stick with a Red/S-Rank Partisan on my currently nonexistent HUmar.

Split

Oct 9, 2004, 11:09 PM

On 2004-10-09 13:48, kazuma56 wrote:
well I think people like the TJ because of FF7 and you-know-who, I think it looks cool, now all I have to do is get my brother to unseal his.

I have never played FF7. If I wanted to be you know who i'd pick up a Zanba.

Split

Oct 9, 2004, 11:14 PM

On 2004-10-09 17:56, BLITZKOMMANDO wrote:
If you really want that special... make a HUcast or HUcaseal and get a nice Berdysh... same special, better looking, and hella easier.

Dont really care about the special. Just think its cool, and my opinion cannot be swayed http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif

Skorpius

Oct 10, 2004, 12:22 AM

On 2004-10-09 17:56, BLITZKOMMANDO wrote:
If you really want that special... make a HUcast or HUcaseal and get a nice Berdysh... same special, better looking, and hella easier.

If you did that, HUcast = Zanba XD Much better.

KaFKa

Oct 10, 2004, 10:27 PM

am i the only person that doesent see the benefiet in losing hp when swinging a sword? O_o (that and my playstyle is almost always solo)

Corey

Oct 10, 2004, 10:29 PM

Well, it all depends on how much you use the special and wether your a android or not...good FOs I played with (Ian, Lit) they usually healed me when it started to get dangerously low w/ my HUcast...

AxelgearVII

Jul 12, 2005, 10:54 AM

I like Tsumikiri J-Sword because:
1.Its good looking
2.Its strong enough for me to pwn enemies(and bosses) in seconds. With a HUmar no less. I dont have to tell you guys what will happen if I use it on my HUcast on Blue Burst. Plus I dont have to use a special.

Those are my reasons.

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