Why def > 45 on Force mags?

[Gynn_Rei]

... and?

[Jason]

And I don't get it.

[Eanae]

Simple. Def + Mags = A huge waste on any chaarcter.

[Ketchup345]

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ST for some reason made it so that certain Mags that only FOrces can make requires 45 DEF or more.

Why? Noone but ST knows.

And Eanae:
DEF isn't always useless. If you want a Special/Rare Mag for a caster FOrce, 50/0/0/150 is decent stats. 45 DEX isn't enough to hit much, unless you have God/Arms equipped (though if casting, you should have God/Minds equipped).

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[Tycho]

There's no reason, ST just had to fit them in.
And I still say defense sucks on mags. Who cares about rare FOrce mags?
Damn, I should still make me a 50/0/0/150 Sato sometime... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


In most cases evolving a mag into a rare counterpart just isn't worth it.

[Capricornus]

On 2004-10-11 06:59, Ketchup345 wrote:

And Eanae:
DEF isn't always useless. If you want a Special/Rare Mag for a caster FOrce, 50/0/0/150 is decent stats.


I disagree there ketchup, eanae is right imo

The def stat on a mag hasnt the same growth on your character as do the power and mind.
All power and mind on your mag is transferred to your charachter, doubled by 2, while it isnt the case for defence.
50 defence on a mag gives your character 50 defence
however, 50 power or mind on your mag gives a hundred to your character.

If you need you charachter to be boosted on the defence side, you do not use a GOD body, you do not use high defence in your mag, but you do use defence mats (which are doubled to your character, like all mats do http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

But if looks are more important than stats, and you do not care about defence you lose by having that type of rare mag, then plz ignore my post http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

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[Ketchup345]

On 2004-10-11 08:01, Capricornus wrote:
I disagree there ketchup, eanae is right imo

The def stat on a mag hasnt the same growth on your character as do the power and mind.
All power and mind on your mag is transferred to your charachter, doubled by 2, while it isnt the case for defence.
50 defence on a mag gives your character 50 defence
however, 50 power or mind on your mag gives a hundred to your character.

If you need you charachter to be boosted on the defence side, you do NOT use a GOD body, you do NOT use high defence in your mag, but you DO use defence mats (which are doubled to your character, like all mats do http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
I know the 45 DEF only gives 45 DFP, but if you want a special/rare Mag for a FOrce, the 50/0/0/150 is the best way to go; since ATP is useless if casting, and 45 DEX won't add enough ATA to hit much especially with a special. You need some other stat to be 50 (or 45 if the other stat is not DEF), so DEF is the best choice.


But if looks are more important than stats, and you do not care about defence you lose by having that type of rare mag
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Often, 90 MST means very little, except at lower levels when you need it to equip an item. Once you can equip what you want though, the 90 MST means only a few more points of damage. And anyways, many people like having all special/rare Mags because of:
1) Never changes again- set abilities
2) Looks
3) Often have good stats
4) Feeding charts (often easy to keep Synch up)

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[Capricornus]

On 2004-10-11 08:05, Ketchup345 wrote:

I know the 45 DEF only gives 45 DFP, but if you want a special/rare Mag for a FOrce, the 50/0/0/150 is the best way to go; since ATP is useless if casting, and 45 DEX won't add enough ATA to hit much especially with a special. You need some other stat to be 50 (or 45 if the other stat is not DEF), so DEF is the best choice.



My edit came too late ketch http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Mystil]

On 2004-10-11 06:53, Gynn_Rei wrote:
... and?



The real question is, how often you see Banas?

[Skorpius]

The def stat on a mag hasnt the same growth on your character as do the power and mind.
All power and mind on your mag is transferred to your charachter, doubled by 2, while it isnt the case for defence.
50 defence on a mag gives your character 50 defence
however, 50 power or mind on your mag gives a hundred to your character.

If you need you charachter to be boosted on the defence side, you do not use a GOD body, you do not use high defence in your mag, but you do use defence mats (which are doubled to your character, like all mats do
.. :|
Dex is only .5, but no one complais about it.

Dex has even worse growth on mags, so THATs useless. Why not just use God/Arms, theyre so easy to get, and 2 of them is already better than 50 dex.

But, no. I, for one, like 30 def on my mags. >.> Especially for bots or no mind mags.



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[Capricornus]

On 2004-10-11 10:59, Skorpius wrote:

Dex is only .5, but no one complais about it.


Because the topic is about defence here



On 2004-10-11 10:59, Skorpius wrote:

But, no. I, for one, like 30 def on my mags. >.> Especially for bots or no mind mags.


Thats a serious loss of stats for your droid my friend, and all this just for your likings?

My likings go to getting the best stats possible (together with looks) for my charachter http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamster.gif


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[Gynn_Rei]

You can get a Andhanka and a Bana, Bana kan also be obtained by a hunter so it's not all that special.

I want a blue Sato 50/0/0/150 a Pushan 5/0/45/150.

[Vielka]

On 2004-10-11 07:58, Tycho wrote:
There's no reason, ST just had to fit them in.
And I still say defense sucks on mags. Who cares about rare FOrce mags?
Damn, I should still make me a 50/0/0/150 Sato sometime... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


In most cases evolving a mag into a rare counterpart just isn't worth it.




i can make a similar sato to my 24/26/0/150 sato http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif if you are intrested tycho..

[Quo]

When you think about it, only a casting Force will be using a 50/0/0/150 mag. A casting force should not be meleeing. A casting force should have no use for ATA or ATP. A casting force will not be striking enemies with physicals blows. Will a casting force take a hit on occasion? Yes. So the choice is clear. A larger boost on wasted stats, or a smaller boost on a stat that will actually come into play.

DEF is useless on any other mag though. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[IceBurner]

The real reason is that MAG development didn't used to be quite as important as it is now.

Why? Before PSO on GCN, there were no material limits. You could use as many as you liked until you maxed out each of your stats. You could use your MAG to cover your weaknesses as you were levelling up, and in the end your MAG became a decoration. Therefore devloping a MAG with high DEF, or simply to look nice was perfectly reasonable.

When Sonic Team added material limits and neglected to adjust MAG creation requirements, they effectively made a number of unusual MAGs quite worthless. Way to go.

[Mystil]

On 2004-10-11 14:53, Quo wrote:
When you think about it, only a casting Force will be using a 50/0/0/150 mag. A casting force should not be meleeing. A casting force should have no use for ATA or ATP. A casting force will not be striking enemies with physicals blows. Will a casting force take a hit on occasion? Yes. So the choice is clear. A larger boost on wasted stats, or a smaller boost on a stat that will actually come into play.

DEF is useless on any other mag though. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



My Bhima mag will be 5/40/0/150, my finished yet messed up kabanda is 5/31/34/130. Some FO's will need POW on the mag in order to use the umbrellas, like me. Not even FO's need DEf despite the popular opinion. I have. . .373 BASE DFP(Lv162 fone). yeah I think I don't need 40DEF on my mag.