Humar vs. Melee Fomar, who would win?

[Omega_Nova]

I finally started to think who would win in a lv. 200 face off, no mechguns, all steps taken for max stats. the fomar has level 30 techs and the humar has level 15 techs. Humar has Double Cannon and Fomar has Red saber. I began thinking that the Humar would win but then I considered J/Z and S/D and now I'm clueless...

[Skorpius]

HUmar.

Zanba + lack of FO defensive equipment + Attribute Plate/Wall + Sols = pwned.

[Seval]

I think the FOmar, because of level 30 S/D and J/Z. (Just make sure you don't S/D the HUmar when you're doing it to yourself.)

[Omega_Nova]

Thats what I thought but Fomar's low HP made me think

[Dek]

But why would you want to put a Red Saber on a FOmar?

There are much better weapons that you can put on a FOmar, like Soul Banish.

FOmar + Soul Banish + lv30 Shifta and Deband + Pow/Dex mag = p//n4g3 http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[biggabertha]

HUmar with Flowen sword 3084 is much better than Zanba and less has less risk. HUmar has higher ATA therefore wouldn't miss compared to FOmar who can only rely on Grants to kill. It's the only thing that can take my HUmar down since he has 60 dark resistance. Megid 30 is actually useless on me. But this is melee so HUmar still has the possibility to annihilate FOmar if he has an S-rank with zalure...

[PJ]

Grants? To kill?

Outside Normal Mode? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

But seriously, soloing FOmars will do a lot more damage than HUmars.

[Hrith]

FOmar... Megid > HUmar, duh.

And if he has high EDK, that means he has low everything else, either way HUmar is pwned, he could not get near a FO in battle.

[Garm]

*look behind you, a red box*

The HUmar should be smart and use a Holy Ray or a charge wep (and keep moving). FOmar doesn;t stand a chance.

[Neith]

FOmar. With lv 30 S/D/J/Z, the force can take a bit more punishment than he could normally, allowing him to make use of the techs he has (even a melee fomar is going to have decent techs) This is of course assuming that both the FO and HU are of similar/same level. And Red Saber, Id imagine isnt the best melee FOmar weapon, isnt that why you see a lot using Soul Banish?

[Klaus88]

FOmar... Megid > HUmar, duh.

And if he has high EDK, that means he has low everything else, either way HUmar is pwned, he could not get near a FO in battle.

*sigh* n00b. have you even played battle mode? if you have you know the rules are no megid.

[Omega_Nova]

YOU.... called Kef a n00b?

Goodbye...

[PJ]

On 2005-03-02 12:11, Klaus88 wrote:
*sigh* n00b. have you even played battle mode? if you have you know the rules are no megid.



There is nothing in game that says no megid, that's just the Hunters way of saying, "I'm stronger than you, so don't ues anything that autotargets/autokills." (I'm pretty sure among these people, Zonde/Grants is a naynay)

Not to mention, no one outside the creators of PSO (And possibley various Japanese players) know more about PSO then Kef. We shouldn't even need to defend him >_>;;;

[Klaus88]

i've seen him about. nothing seperates him from other pso players apart from his ego.

the most popular pso players are Mercedes and Zen Masters not Kef. anyway...

fact of the matter is megid is frowned upon in online battle mode. any other tech is fine..

[Omega_Nova]

On 2005-03-02 10:29, UrikoBB3 wrote:
FOmar. With lv 30 S/D/J/Z, the force can take a bit more punishment than he could normally, allowing him to make use of the techs he has (even a melee fomar is going to have decent techs) This is of course assuming that both the FO and HU are of similar/same level. And Red Saber, Id imagine isnt the best melee FOmar weapon, isnt that why you see a lot using Soul Banish?



I've never really been online...

[Hrigg]

It depends. If the FOmar is actually being a melee FOmar, HUmar would win, but if the FOmar would be using spells, he would win easily.

[Nai_Calus]

Too bad HUmar won't be able to do anything after the J/Z hits... Sure, he can pop Sols, but he's gonna run out eventually, and without L6 Anti he's screwed.

And heh. My HUmar has much better base DFP/EVP than my FOmar does and better base ATP... But it's my FOmar that takes less damage, and deals more, at least soloing with both. Sure, my FOmar has 15 levels on my HUmar... But the HUmar still has 'better' stats, bar MST.

For that matter, I've max-statted both a FOmar and a HUmar, and the FOmar still out-performs the HUmar...

It's the L30 support techs. >_>;;;

FOmar also, oddly, gets help from his LACK of Resta boost there. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Much easier to get out of range.

[PJ]

On 2005-03-02 16:07, Klaus88 wrote:
i've seen him about. nothing seperates him from other pso players apart from his ego.



And the fact that he just plays better than 95%+ of them.



the most popular pso players are Mercedes and Zen Masters not Kef. anyway...

Have we heard of them? Define popular. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Ian's hit the mark for this topic anyways.

[TheOneHero]

On 2005-03-02 12:11, Klaus88 wrote:
if you have you know the rules are no megid.



I have to agree.

Didn't you see Page 28 in the Instuction Booklet Kef?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/TheOneHero/PSO/PSO.jpg

[EJ]

On 2005-03-02 21:05, TheOneHero wrote:


On 2005-03-02 12:11, Klaus88 wrote:
if you have you know the rules are no megid.



I have to agree.

Didn't you see Page 28 in the Instuction Booklet Kef?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/TheOneHero/PSO/PSO.jpg


Oh noes!! It true http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Anyway I would say a fomar with max stats would beat a Humar because of the support he has with techs and that he can use Srank twin to take it to the Humar.
The Humar may have better selection of weps and armor but the Fomar can still win in my book.

[Omega_Nova]

Thats what I thought, the Fomar would win with support techs, I just wanted to confirm that

[Klaus88]

And the fact that he just plays better than 95%+ of them.

so you've played with 95% of pso players? if you haven't your point is moot.

[TheOneHero]

On 2005-03-03 08:11, Klaus88 wrote:

so you've played with 95% of pso players? if you haven't your point is moot.




the most popular pso players are Mercedes and Zen Masters

http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Point. Moot.

[Hrith]

lol, another clueless n00b with no argument at all excpet personal attacks. Funny to see how people resort to personal attacks when they cannot face the fact that they are wrong.

Megid can be used, rules are subjective.

[Skorpius]

On 2005-03-03 09:03, Kef wrote:
lol, another clueless n00b with no argument at all excpet personal attacks. Funny to see how people resort to personal attacks when they cannot face the fact that they are wrong.


On 2005-03-03 06:01, Kef wrote:
So other PSOW users do not listen to a clueless n00b like you, I don't give a fuck about you, that's why you fail.
http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

[Tycho]

http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif TOH is right about the booklet, oh noes.
FOmar has L30 techs, so the HUmar is dead meat.



On 2005-03-02 12:11, Klaus88 wrote:
*sigh* n00b.


^ ^; Made me laugh. It's kind of ironic to enter a forum, and at <100 posts start calling the regulars noobs.

Also, if un-allowing Megid in order to balance BA would un-balance the game in favor of the Hunters... would it really be fair to apply these restrictions?

[Sitka]

I'm going to have to get Liquid Bacon to drop a post on this topic.

Liquid Bacon is a high-level, 100% legit Humar on Xbox. He has faced down 100's of combatants in battle mode including every mod-chipped, hacked SOB on Apatite 1-3. I don't know his current record, but I believe it is 500+ wins to 2 losses, or something like that.

He has beaten 100's of maxed out, mod-chipped lvl 200 Fomars. I can't tell you how he does it - but he does. He's the best one to tell you how - if he wants to.

He took on Dr. Robato - the hacker of hackers on Apatite who mod-chipped level 40 spells including Megid on a Hucast - and still lost to Bacon.

I'm not going to question anyone else's post here, because I believe most of you, no probably all of you, know more about battle mode that I do and if you took your fomar against any of my characters, you would probably kick my butt - granted. Your point about lvl 30 techs owning lvl 15 techs is probably right for 99% of the players of PSO.

All I can tell you is that Liquid Bacon is THE Battle Mode veteran on xbox and he does it with a Humar.

Again, I ain't flaming or questioning anyone else - I'm just telling you what I see over here on xbox.

[biggabertha]

I believe that out of all the human male characters, I would think RA would win since he has Frozen Shooter or the Snow Queen.... But that's off topic and not many people like RAmar anyway.... (Noticing Kef's signature about RAmar's...)

[Klaus88]

lol, another clueless n00b with no argument at all excpet personal attacks. Funny to see how people resort to personal attacks when they cannot face the fact that they are wrong.

Megid can be used, rules are subjective.

lol, don't try and act clever. i called you a n00b, that's not personal. i was questioning your skills.

if i went personal i would of went for something along the lines of...

you fucking shit breathed retarded frog. that would be offensive...but....i'm above that.

PS- i joined this site years ago, my first account was banned....heh.

[TheOneHero]

On 2005-03-03 17:39, Klaus88 wrote:

PS- i joined this site years ago, my first account was banned....heh.



And soon to be this one. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Saiffy]

On 2005-03-03 19:54, TheOneHero wrote:


On 2005-03-03 17:39, Klaus88 wrote:

PS- i joined this site years ago, my first account was banned....heh.



And soon to be this one. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


pwned http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Now to be productive:

Most non-noob forces > humars anyday

[Mixfortune]

1. Calling someone a noob is a personal attack... don't see how it can't be seen as one. Is it bad enough for a warning? Not likely.

2. "No Megid" is meaningless. It's like telling a Ranger not to use Frozen Shooter, or just plain telling a Hunter not to attack you. "Man you're hitting me too hard, Humar, just use techs! No physical damage!"

2b. Oh no, something is better than something else in Battle Mode! Whatever will we do? Make up pseudo rules in order to bring down some vigilante balance, of course! No player can play the hand of equalizer.

Here's something you may want to give a read over. Granted, PSO Battle Mode isn't a fighting game or anything, but many (note: MANY, not ALL) of the concepts are applicable.

http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

[Neith]

If a FO has Megid, they should be allowed to use it in any mode, not stop using it, just because some hunter couldnt get near them... I agree that you cant twist the rules to suit a certain character/class. I mean, a high level Megid disk is pretty hard to come by, so they should be at least allowed to show it off http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Hunter's fault if they dont see it comin.

[Hrith]

On 2005-03-03 17:39, Klaus88 wrote:
I called you a n00b, that's not personal. I was questioning your skills.Still, I was right, you have no argument, so you use insults. You fail.

[ABDUR101]

ok, back on topic.

[biggabertha]

HUmar would win because he wouldn't trip on his dress!

[Liquid_Bacon]

As a Battle mode veteran of over 1000 wins, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The FOmar would win.


WOAH! HOLD UP!!! Did Liquid Bacon just say that? Alright... a qualifier. This is assuming both battlers are level 200 with max stats as the first post stated, AND that both players know what they are doing! It's true that I beat on these clueless hackers all day but that is largely because 99% of the cheaters out there don't understand key elements of the game, and they sure as hell don't understand Battle mode as well. Anyway... on to my explanation:

Physical damage would not be a factor because a Humar can not kill a level 200 Fomar in one hit (with any weapon, yes even a Vjaya) once stuck with Jellen 30. The Fomar can't hit the HUmar, period, because with only 163 ATA they can't break through the 1200+ EVP of a level 200 HUmar with an average Aura Field/Kasami setup. This leaves techniques as the only means of damaging your opponent. The FOmar would win here. He's got Megid, of course, but might not even have to resort to that. Spamming with Rabarta is a very effective technique for a Force to use (almost a guaranteed kill) once the HUmar is within Rabarta range.

I like the HUmar as a Battle character, and have racked up over 500 GameCube wins and 600 Xbox wins, but I have to give this one to the FOmar. No BS, it's just how things work.

EDIT: I'll learn to spell... one day..



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[Sitka]

Wonderful precise response.

Thank you Liquid Bacon.

Case settled.

[V0LTAGE]

This is a tad off-topic and all that but what should I equip to a melee force, not a technique force but one that uses weapons. eg;saber

I'd also like to know what armor should be equipped and what should be in the slots.

Thanks.

[SLON]

I suggest you create a new topic for this.

[Curalkin]

Actually, the other day I brought Curaklin into a battle with a 184th level HUmar. I had debanded myself and jellened him. He had a Zanba, and I do not know what else. He critted and killed me with one hit because I wanted to see if he actually could. My hit points were 1609. Of course, in a real fight he would have been dead before he even seen me on his map just because of my zonde range. I am saying this because a FOmar has worse hit points then the FOnewm.



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[gream-green]

On 2005-03-31 10:25, Liquid_Bacon wrote:
...are level 200 with max stats as the first post stated, AND that both players know what they are doing!


That would be a good PPV card, Liquid Bacon vs Mini Bacon or something like that...

[Defend]

Why doesn't the HUmar just cast Shifta on the FOmar?

[Ryna]

On 2005-05-15 20:05, Defend wrote:
Why doesn't the HUmar just cast Shifta on the FOmar?


On GC PSO/PSOX/BB, HUmars cannot cast Shifta.

[Defend]

lol heh, ok

[TheOneHero]

On 2005-05-15 20:05, Defend wrote:
Why doesn't the HUmar just cast Shifta on the FOmar?



Please don't bump month old topics. ._.

[HUcastShinobi]

Have we forgotten the Cure/Status equipment? Although the FOmar would have the advantage, what about using eqipment that negates all that? that would be logical too...

[Feelmirath]

I have to agree.

Didn't you see Page 28 in the Instuction Booklet Kef?


_________________

Funny, doesn't say in my manual.

However, with or without megid, I'd say the HUmar would win, mainly cos if the HUmar has an attribute plate, the FOmar is screwed



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[Ryna]

On 2005-06-01 06:08, Feelmirath wrote:
However, with or without megid, I'd say the HUmar would win, mainly cos if the HUmar has an attribute plate, the FOmar is screwed


I think you are failing to consider that the FOmar can cast level 30 Jellen and Zalure. The HUmar will only be able to remove those status changes 10 times.....

[Feelmirath]

However, this isn't a big deal, but when a force uses those techniques, not only do they use up tp, but also time enough for the HUmar to hard hit the force

[Ryna]

On 2005-06-01 09:32, Feelmirath wrote:
However, this isn't a big deal, but when a force uses those techniques, not only do they use up tp, but also time enough for the HUmar to hard hit the force


The HUMar won't be doing too much damage with level 30 Jellen on him and level 30 Deband on the FOmar.....

I would suggest you try playing against a reasonably competent FOmar sometime to see how things will work out.

[Feelmirath]

The HUMar won't be doing too much damage with level 30 Jellen on him and level 30 Deband on the FOmar.....

I would suggest you try playing against a reasonably competent FOmar sometime to see how things will work out.

To be honest, I can't do that. I can't go online (my aol sucks), and I have the only FOmar out of my friends, who also sucks.
If I were the HUmar, and I was jellen/debanded, I'd just let the delsaber destroy everything.
Also, it may be good to put the player's skill at simply playing the game into consideration =/

[TheOneHero]

On 2005-06-01 06:08, Feelmirath wrote:

I have to agree.

Didn't you see Page 28 in the Instuction Booklet Kef?


_________________

Funny, doesn't say in my manual.

However, with or without megid, I'd say the HUmar would win, mainly cos if the HUmar has an attribute plate, the FOmar is screwed



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Feelmirath on 2005-06-01 06:09 ]</font>


I think you're missing the joke there. ;p

And also, *points to his earlier post*

[Feelmirath]

I think you're missing the joke there. ;p


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