PSOBB: The end of hacked/duped items?

[RedBoxHunter]

As we all know, PSOBB will feature server side saving to prevent people from messing with their character and item data. Does this mean that we will be able to play PSOBB completely legit, without having to worry if an item is hacked or duped ever again? Probably not, but you never know. Is PSOBB cheat proof? Or will cheaters, like always, find a way to get through?

[Cynric]

It's not cheatproof, there's evidence of that. But it's MUCH harder to do now, and there are only three people in the entire community who know how to. Two have left, and the other doesn't use his skills to harm others, only to have fun in solo mode.

[RedSchwar]

Well, according to the front page of the site, ST is taking action against people like that. Report him.

It looks like they're going to look at people's accounts and go after the ACTUAL person for legal infractions.

So yeah, if you think you're going to cheat up BB, I would stop. I think ST is getting tired of losing money on your asses.

All of the computer knowledge in the world doesn't put you above the law. They still have your credit card number and your real name, and they will come after you.

I'm sure glad that everyone in the world doesn't use their talents to harm others. It's funny how the only people that do such things are the ones who don't have to look you in the face. They're seperated by thousands of miles.

Well, you're gonna get yours now. Leave our games alone. Go use your talents with computers and hacking to do something constructive.

[Jess16241]

On 2005-03-10 01:53, RedSchwar wrote:

So yeah, if you think you're going to cheat up BB, I would stop. I think ST is getting tired of losing money on your asses.

you address all cheaters, but yet you seem to think that all cheaters cause PSO to lose members


All of the computer knowledge in the world doesn't put you above the law. They still have your credit card number and your real name, and they will come after you.

well, i think that everyone already knows that, and i dont really see them taking legal action against cheaters.... what are they gonna say in court ST:"They were cheating on our game!" chorus of jury: *gasp* "No not CHEATING!" defendant: "GUILTY! oh no, you caught me! what now jail? pah! technically, i'd think it would be funny to be taken to court for cheating, ST would say that and i would burst out laughing.


I'm sure glad that everyone in the world doesn't use their talents to harm others. It's funny how the only people that do such things are the ones who don't have to look you in the face. They're seperated by thousands of miles.

but yet most players are in japan and the U.S. ... so now you say that the cheaters are either japanese or english?


Well, you're gonna get yours now. Leave our games alone. Go use your talents with computers and hacking to do something constructive.

and what do you mean by constructive? like creating computer viruses that cause real harm like causing a harddrive to wreck and not something small like cheating? wouldn't you rather them to cheat than to be making computer viruses that are currently undetectable?



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[Saiffy]

If they did take it to court it would be for violating the Terms of Service, not "cheating", you fail

[hucasts_rock]

On 2005-03-10 16:19, Saiffwin wrote:
If they did take it to court it would be for violating the Terms of Service, not "cheating", you fail


Indeed. It's not a matter of you cheating, it's a matter of you agreeing and obeying the terms of service. If you break the ToS, you should and hopefully now will get punished for not following the rules.

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[Solstis]

On 2005-03-10 16:55, hucasts_rock wrote:


On 2005-03-10 16:19, Saiffwin wrote:
If they did take it to court it would be for violating the Terms of Service, not "cheating", you fail


Indeed. It's not a matter of you cheating, it's a matter of you agreeing and obeying the terms of service. If you break the ToS, you should and hopefully now will get punished for not following the rules.

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Word up.

The creators set up rules, and if you willfully break said rules, you should expect some sort of punishment.

Jess, it may not seem that big of a deal to you, but many can make the claim that they stopped playing due to the influx of duped weapons and cheating in general.

The casual gamer has been wiped out by the petty fights between strict, legitimate players and the hackers/dupers. Why bother when you'll get shunned by zealots or booted by FSODers?

Of course, not any one duper/hacking/AR user is at fault, but the blame does fall on the cheaters. Blame Sonic Team all you want, but you/they made the decision.

[Shadowpawn]

And yet another topic goes to Hell. I sense a flame war a comin'.

[Solstis]

On 2005-03-10 19:11, Shadowpawn wrote:
And yet another topic goes to Hell. I sense a flame war a comin'.



The Word of Solstis is uncounterable. There shall be no flame war. This topic is pretty much over.

Solstis has spoken.

[RedSchwar]

you address all cheaters, but yet you seem to think that all cheaters cause PSO to lose members

I disagree. Most players would prefer a pure game, where every accomplishment was worth exactly what it was. Nothing more, nothing less. How could any other way possibly be better?

If that is the ideal we strive for, then it means all forms of cheating harm it in a way.

If you're a religious person, then you would agree that all sin keeps us from the good. It doesn't matter how big or small the sin is, it still moves us away from the "good."

We shouldn't be concerned with the variance of severity of the actions of cheaters. All cheating is in violation of ST's ToS, which you agreed to. I don't understand how arguments can continue after this is stated. It's like the refusal to accept reality.

When you break a contract (especially a contract in which money is exchanged, as in ST's ToS), you are lying. Lying for gain is never right in any circumstance.

You could argue and say "Well it's right for me." But that would require a relativist point of view. A relativist is someone who doesn't believe there is right or wrong, good or bad. Yet the relativist states that it's good to accept others how they are, and it's bad to judge. But they also say there is no good and no bad. Thus their entire view on the world collapses in a puff of logic.

Conclusion? It's never right to lie. Cheating is lying. If you're a cheater, do your best to be a better person. Please, for the good of all. Getting angry at facts doesn't change facts. I could be infuriated that 2+2=4, but that doesn't change the truth.

[mrdiaz]

I disagree. Most players would prefer a pure game, where every accomplishment was worth exactly what it was. Nothing more, nothing less. How could any other way possibly be better?

If that is the ideal we strive for, then it means all forms of cheating harm it in a way.

If you're a religious person, then you would agree that all sin keeps us from the good. It doesn't matter how big or small the sin is, it still moves us away from the "good."

We shouldn't be concerned with the variance of severity of the actions of cheaters. All cheating is in violation of ST's ToS, which you agreed to. I don't understand how arguments can continue after this is stated. It's like the refusal to accept reality.

When you break a contract (especially a contract in which money is exchanged, as in ST's ToS), you are lying. Lying for gain is never right in any circumstance.

You could argue and say "Well it's right for me." But that would require a relativist point of view. A relativist is someone who doesn't believe there is right or wrong, good or bad. Yet the relativist states that it's good to accept others how they are, and it's bad to judge. But they also say there is no good and no bad. Thus their entire view on the world collapses in a puff of logic.

Conclusion? It's never right to lie. Cheating is lying. If you're a cheater, do your best to be a better person. Please, for the good of all. Getting angry at facts doesn't change facts. I could be infuriated that 2+2=4, but that doesn't change the truth.



*Stands and Claps*

[Jess16241]

haha! do you even think i read the Terms of Service? when i click agree without reading the terms of service, im not technically lying, im agreeing that there is text in front of me that i dont care to read it, and that im probably gonna break the rules


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[RedSchwar]

im not technically lying,

Actually you are. The ToS says "by signing this, I acknowledge I understand the terms." So if you hit agree without understanding the terms, that IS A LIE. Again this "refusal to acknowledge the facts" seems to be the only defense unreasonable, unintelligent people can provide for their actions.

And yes, if you read the front page, ST CAN go after people who violate their ToS, and can do more than just ban them. ST can take legal action against people who commit GREAT offenses.

Only a fool signs or agrees to something before reading the terms.

You may THINK you didn't agree to it, but in a technical, legal sense, you did. Suppose you broke a rule in the ToS and you did go to court (this is merely suppositional). You would lose the case, even if you said "I did not read the terms." Why? Because you SIGNED the terms.

Trying to dodge accountability with ignorance is not valid. If you're doing it just to tick other people off, then I question your integrity as a person. You seem to be taking pleasure out of this, yet I just demonstrated that human beings are not supposed to take pleasure in these sort of things, so who dropped you on your head?

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[Saiffy]

On 2005-03-11 07:58, RedSchwar wrote:

im not technically lying,

Actually you are. The ToS says "by signing this, I acknowledge I understand the terms." So if you hit agree without understanding the terms, that IS A LIE. Again this "refusal to acknowledge the facts" seems to be the only defense unreasonable, unintelligent people can provide for their actions.

And yes, if you read the front page, ST CAN go after people who violate their ToS, and can do more than just ban them. ST can take legal action against people who commit GREAT offenses.

Only a fool signs or agrees to something before reading the terms.

You may THINK you didn't agree to it, but in a technical, legal sense, you did. Suppose you broke a rule in the ToS and you did go to court (this is merely suppositional). You would lose the case, even if you said "I did not read the terms." Why? Because you SIGNED the terms.

Trying to dodge accountability with ignorance is not valid. If you're doing it just to tick other people off, then I question your integrity as a person. You seem to be taking pleasure out of this, yet I just demonstrated that human beings are not supposed to take pleasure in these sort of things, so who dropped you on your head?

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You could have just said ignorance is not an excuse >_>;

[RedSchwar]

I suppose so. But to that the fool responds, "Why?" So it must be explicitly stated, so it cannot be contested.

[404NOTFOUND]

Anything can be hacked.

[SquashDemon]

oh, here we go again...
MODS!!! Theres a flame war a'comin this way!
I'm glad they're cracking down on the cheating, but I'm not about to report every dupe, every 127% wep, every 1308 mag...but I'm not stupid, I will report every corrupt, every FSOD, and every Card-Steal, I would love to play a PSO where those things don't exist...as for the hacked items/equip...meh, whatever i personally think the game gets pretty boring when people do stuff like that, but that's just my opinion, and in the end, my opinion only means as much as you want it to, so if you don't like/don't agree with it, then I leave you with one irreversable, unstoppable, undeniable word...

rar

so either accept this, or rar, the choice is ultimatly yours.

[Corey]

Find the pic Schthack posted of him with Debug on in EP4.

The message?
It can be hacked.

[RuneLateralus]

I am only going to state this once. Stop flaming. Next person that types up a flame will get this topic locked and an instant warning. Alright. Now play nice children.