I noticed something that might be important

[Shiva91]

Ok, I notice something, there is a diff b/w equiping a mag and raising one.

When you equip a mag (already 200) it doesn't give you a full benift

exp( my ila mind=144) reg damage= 600-700
( after raising my sato I noticed) mind=120 reg damage=600-700

now that Sato's mind is 150 my reg damage is 800-900.

Raising a mag is worth the time money and effort

[Tycho]

Ehh..
So what you're saying is, by raising a mag yourself you will get more benefit from its stat increases or something?

... No.

You probably gained a few levels yourself in the meanwhile, increasing your own MST. Your technique levels may have increased in the meantime as well, or the times you tried to use techniques with the Sato on you were nuking a monster with lower resistances.

I only understand half of your post, but a mag with 150 MIND will always give 300 MST, no more, no less.

[Ice_ryu]

Four for every Character, one for every mode I though was all you can get.

[Shiva91]

I think you posted in the wrong spot Ice_Ryu

I didn't much of a level increase and The only new tech I got was megid 28

So that proves that raising a mag gives full benifit of stat increase(well for mind at least, not sure on the other http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)

[VioletSkye]

On 2005-03-31 07:30, Shiva91 wrote:
I think you posted in the wrong spot Ice_Ryu

I didn't much of a level increase and The only new tech I got was megid 28

So that proves that raising a mag gives full benifit of stat increase(well for mind at least, not sure on the other http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)


Wrong. It doesn't matter if you raise the mag yourself or not. If you raise a mag with 150 mind and equip it, you will get an MST boost of 300. If someone else raised a mag with 150 mind and gave it to you to equip, you would still get an MST boost of 300. There is nothing special and no hidden benefit to raising the mag yourself, outside of personal satisfaction of course http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



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[Shiva91]

But that doesn't make any sense, why was I doing more damage with my sato when it's mind was 120?

From what your saying, it sounds like my Ila would do more at the time, it's mind was 144

so this must mean something.

It's like Pokemon in the old days, you cheated and used rare candy on your pokemon and they suck at lvl 100 but when you raise them to lvl 100 they rock

[Ryna]

On 2005-03-31 07:52, Shiva91 wrote:
But that doesn't make any sense, why was I doing more damage with my sato when it's mind was 120?

From what your saying, it sounds like my Ila would do more at the time, it's mind was 144

so this must mean something.


Your observations would only mean something if you had provided us with the following information:

-Character Class
-Character Level
-Equipment
-Enemy you were trying to kill

All the other posters in this topic are correct. A 150 mind mag that you raise will give you the same bonus that a 150 mind mag from someone else would give. The differences in damage are probably due to other factors.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ryna on 2005-03-31 08:24 ]</font>

[Shiva91]

um ok

Fownewearl
lvl 112
Summit Moon
God/mindx4
enemies:all of them but just for an example Arlan

I leveled up once while raising the mag

[Ryna]

Go try this test:

Equip your Summit Moon, 4 God/Minds, and whatever barrier you like. Go to Forest 1 and equip the mag you raised. Cast Foie on a Bartle and record the damage. Equip the mag that your friend gave you and cast Foie again. Record that damage. After that, reply to this message and list the damage totals.

[Shiva91]

Sato = 754
Ila = 684

see I new something was up http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Ryna]

On 2005-03-31 10:54, Shiva91 wrote:
Sato = 754
Ila = 684

see I new something was up http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


What is your character's MST (with the Summit Moon and God/Minds) and the mind stat for each of your mags?

[Dhylec]

hm.. looks like investigator ryna is hot on this mag case =D
somebody has to right in here, let's wait & see the result!

[Ryna]

Let me just make it clear that I am not claiming that Shiva91 is lying. I'm just trying to collect information so the test can be repeated. Only after we repeat the test can we determine what is causing the variance in damage.

[Quo]

It might also be good to know the Foie level.

[Tact]

Do you think the Tech Damage Calculator (http://www.pso-world.com/techdamagecalc.php) will help at all?

[Ryna]

On 2005-03-31 12:37, tactician7777 wrote:
Do you think the Tech Damage Calculator (http://www.pso-world.com/techdamagecalc.php) will help at all?


After all the necessary information is collected, the numbers can be put through the Tech Damage Calculator. However, it would be premature to do so at this point.

[Fossil]

now that Sato's mind is 150 my reg damage is 800-900.

You're doing 800-900 damage to what now?

[Shiva91]

I did 942 to a ramar http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

ok here is everything

Equipment
Summit Moon
God/mindx4
Sato (150mind)
Ila (144 mind)
Foie lvl 28
I hope thats everything you need to know

[Tact]

On 2005-04-01 07:18, Shiva91 wrote:
I did 942 to a ramar http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

ok here is everything

Equipment
Summit Moon
God/mindx4
Sato (150mind)
Ila (144 mind)
Foie lvl 28
I hope thats everything you need to know



What monster are you trying to kill? And do you have a Foie/Barta/Blue/Whatever Merge?

[Shiva91]

no, no merges are equiped, and I;m shooting a bartle in the forest.

well I do have a Ragol Ring on if that makes any difference?

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[Tact]

I also need MST (one number with Ila equipped, one with Sato equipped).

[Shiva91]

Sato equiped=1291mst
Ila equipped = 1279mst

is that good?

[Tact]

I believe that's all the information we need, but I'll have to wait for Ryna to get back before we do anything else. I don't know what to do at this point.

[Shiva91]

thanks.....I geuss, Why doesn't anyone belive me though I'm not lying, I'm only telling you what I saw. and Sato does a heck of alot more than Ila even though it's only a twelve difference

[Quo]

The tech damage calculator shows a varience of 4 points between the two mags (758 for Sato 754 for Ila) for a FOnewearl with said equipment striking a Bartle.

[Shiva91]

but why does mine have such a big increase then? is Ila glitched?

[Ryna]

I can't explain the difference in Foie damage, they should almost be the same.

As for people doubting you Shiva, that is because your observations fly in the face of several "known" facts. Since you are offline, it makes it harder to test your claims and see what is going on. As a consequence, this needs to be tested by someone else to validate the results.

[Shiva91]

oh, ok.... So should I scrap Ila? It's kinda scaring me, if it's glitched then I don't want it dleteing my data

[Dhylec]

not using it is more than enough.. scrapping sounds wasteful =|

[Shiva91]

Well it's not of very much use to me

Ila
def(18)
pow(0)
dex(38)
mind(144)

I have no other character who could use it, unless when I go online, someone might want it

[RedBoxHunter]

It's like Pokemon in the old days, you cheated and used rare candy on your pokemon and they suck at lvl 100 but when you raise them to lvl 100 they rock


Actually, (I'll use Pikachu as an example) all Pikachus with an attack stat of 200 will do the same ammount of damage with their physical attacks whether or not they were raised by experience or Rare Candy. The reason that Pokemon raised by experience are stronger is because Pokemon raised by experience get better stats (http://serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml).