The Best (or most useful) Thread

[Sitka]

Using Dhylec's information, Kef's contributions, Tycho's valuable insights and all the great information from so many PSO posters, I've combined a list of what I consider to be the best or most useful items that can be pursued/equipped by the various classes.

This list is meant to update the "Suggested Ideal Equipment" guides and is by nature very subjective. The equipment listed is what I consider to be the best or most useful for most situations and may vary in given situations. I do not consider non-legit items that cannot be obtained without duping or hacking. I do give a strong nod to s-rank weapons, but include offline alternatives. I also do not consider style, although animation might be a factor in the choice.

I've tried to provide both the ideal (disregarding drop-rates) and a more realistic alternative to the uber-rares.

Please feel free to offer suggestions and alternatives, but please try to do so in a positive way. Half-full glasses only http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

I'm hoping this will help answer some of the "What's the best _____ for my _____," type posts.

Most importantly, please remember, this is simply my opinion and as such is subject to change and error. I will do my best to update if I've made an error.

List of Best/Most Useful Items

Hucast or Hucaseal:

Single Enemy Weapon: Black King Bar or Sange & Yasha
alt: Double Cannon, S-rank Twin, Demolition Comet

Multiple Enemy Weapon: Tsumikiriji J-Sword
alt: S-r Sword, S-r Scythe, Chain Sawd, Red Sword

Ranged Weapon: Red Handgun, Charge Vulcans
alt: S-rank gun, Rainbow Baton, Diska of Braveman

Armor: Luminous Field
alt: Electro Frame, Love Heart

Shield: Kasami Bracer or Rico's Earrings
alt: Standstill/Tripolic Shield, Safety Heart

Units: God Battle, Cure Freeze, Cure Shock & God Arm


Humar or Hunewearl:

Single Enemy Weapon: Black King Bar or Sange & Yasha
alt: Double Cannon, S-rank Twin, Demolition Comet

Multiple Enemy Weapon: Tsumikiriji S-Sword
alt: S-r Sword, S-r Scythe, Chain Sawd, Red Sword

Ranged Weapon: Holy Ray
alt: S-rank gun, RB, DofB, Charge Vulcans

Armor: Aura Field
alt: Luminous Field, Safety Heart, Lafuteria

Shield: Kasami Bracer, Rico's Earrings
alt: Standstill/Tripolic Shield, Safety Heart

Units: God Battle, Cure Freeze, Cure Shock & God Arm


Racast or Racaseal:

Single Enemy Weapon: FS, Guld Milla, or Yas 9000m
alt: Yas 3000r or S-Rank Rifle

Multiple Enemy Weapon: S-rank Needle or SN
alt: S-rank Shot or Snow Queen

Melee Weapon: S-rank Twin or Monkey King Bar
alt: S-rank Scythe

Armor: Luminous Field
alt: Electro Frame, Love Heart

Shield: Standstill or Tripolic Shield, Rico's Earrs.
alt: Safety Heart, Attribute Wall

Units: God Battle, Cure Freeze, Cure Shock, God Arm


Ramar or Ramarl:

Single Enemy Weapon: FS, Guld Milla, or Yas 9000m
alt: Yas 3000r or S-rank Rifle

Multiple Enemy Weapon: S-rank Needle or SN
alt: S-rank Shot or Snow Queen

Melee Weapon: S-rank Twin or Monkey King Bar
alt: S-rank Scythe

Armor: Aura Field
alt: Luminous Field, Love Heart, Lafuteria

Shield: Standstill or Tripolic Shield, Rico's Earrs.
alt: Safety Heart, Attribue Wall

Units: God Battle, Cure Freeze, Shock & Paralysis


Fonewm:

Primary Weapon: Psycho Wand
alt: Scorcer's Cane or Striker of Chao

Melee Weapon: S-rank Scythe or S-rank Twin
alt: Red Saber

Ranged Weapon: Red Handgun or Holy Ray
alt: S-rank gun, Rainbow Baton or S-rank J-cutter

Armor: Aura Field
alt: Smoking Plate or Luminous Field

Shield: Rafoie Merge
alt: Attribute Wall

Units: God Ability x 4 or God Mind x 4
alt: for melee, God Battle, 3 x God Power


Fomar:

Primary Weapon: Unarmed or Sorceror's Cane
alt: Magical Piece, Demonic Force

Melee Weapon: Soul Banish
alt: S-rank Twin or Red Saber

Ranged Weapon: Holy Ray
alt: Red Handgun, Rainbow Baton,Diska of Braveman

Armor: Aura Field
alt: Luminous Field

Shield: Resta Merge or Tripolic Shield
alt: Attribute Wall

Units: God Ability,God Mind, Cure Units or God HP
alt: for melee, God Battle & God Power, Cure unit


Fomarl:

Primary Weapon: Psycho Wand or Caduceus
alt: Striker of Chao or Sorceror's Cane

Melee Weapon: S-rank Scythe or Soul Banish
alt: S-rank Twin or Red Saber

Ranged Weapon: Red Handgun or Holy Ray
alt: Angel Harp, Rainbow Baton, S-rank J-cutter

Armor: Aura Field
alt: Luminous Field

Shield: Rico's Earrings
alt: Standstill Shield

Units: God Ability x 4 or God Mind x 4
alt: for melee, God Battle & God Power x 3


Fonewearl:

Primary Weapon: Psycho Wand or Summit Moon
alt: Striker of Chao or Sorceror's Cane

Melee Weapon: Red Saber
alt: Plantain Huge Fan

Ranged Weapon: Red Handgun or Holy Ray
alt: Angel Harp or Rainbow Baton

Armor: Aura Field
alt: Luminous Field

Shield: Rico's Earrings
alt: Standstill Shield or Attribute Wall

Units: God Ability x 4 or God Mind x 4
alt: for melee, God Battle & God Power x 3

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Updated with suggestions as of 4/28/05.


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[Skorpius]

This is too long.

Hunters

~ First, you have:
Single Enemy Weapon: Black King Bar or Sange & Yasha
alt: S-rank Twin or Demolition Comet.

As "best" for Droid and Non-Droid Hunters. Asuka is good, SWORDS are good, Musashi is good.

~ You also have:
Multiple Enemy Weapon: Tsumikiriji J-Sword
alt: S-rank Sword, S-rank Scythe or Chain Sawd

Red Sword is BETTER than Sawd (Want proof?), PARTISAN is good, Soul Banish isn't bad, Madam's Umbrella is good for HUne/HUcaseal.

~ Hunter Ranged Weapon:
Sll top Slicers (From S-rank down to Diska of Braveman), L&K14 COMBAT, M&A60 VISE, MECHGUN.

~ Armor
Brightness Circle? Lafuteria? Love Heart?

~ Shield
Safety Heart? Rico's Earrings? Shield of Delsaber?

~ Units
Cure/Slow? Cure/Confuse?

What about Del's Set, Flowen's Set? Those are good, and, if you say otherwise, you fail. >_>


Rangers

~ Single Enemy:
Ano Rifle? Anti Android Rifle? Red Mechgun?

~ Multi
Crush Bullet, Meteor Smash, Final Impact, SHOT, Red Scorpio, LAUNCHER? Even Iron Faust, Nug, and Gi Gue aren;t bad in teams.

~ Melee
Madam's Umbrella, Twin Brand.

~ Armor
Lafu? Brightness? Love heart?

~ Shield
Shield of Delsaber? Safety Heart?

~ Untis
God/Power?

Forces

Fonewm:

~ Melee
Plantain Huge Fan? Double Saber?

~ Ranged
Mechguns???

~ Armor
Smoking Plate is top, Aura is alternate.

~ Units
I don't like your unit recomendations. I'll be ignoring the rest from now on because it really does depend on your character, the area, and your stats.

FOmar

~ Weapon
You listed Psycho Wand for all forces, which is obvious, but you didn;t list much of anything else.. :| As I've said before, this is the worst idea possible.

~ FOmar weapons:
Casting - Anything with a tech boost.

Melee - Double Saber, Soul Eater/Banish, Plantain Huge Fan, TWIN, SCYTHE

Ranged - Holy Ray, Red Handgun, some kind of Mechs.


~ FOmarl weapons:
Casting - Anything with a tech boost.

Melee - Double Saber, Soul Eater/Banish, Plantain Huge Fan, TWIN, SCYTHE

Ranged - Holy Ray, Red Handgun, some kind of Mechs.


FOnewearl Weapons:
Casting - Anything with a tech boost.

Melee - XD

Forces can't use Standstill.


Also, as a note:

All female recommended armors and shields should be Love Heart, Safety Heart, and Rico's Earrings. You also forgot Brightness Circle on all characters, as well as Delsaber's Shield on HU/RA, Soul Banish on HU/FO. :|

[Tact]

I have a question: Will you later be editing in links to these items, one at a time? I know there's a lot there, but I feel that the guide will help more if they can click on what they need.

[Hrith]

I finally was able to check, Flight Cutter has unreduced Devil's, making it a very useful Slicer.

[Nai_Calus]

I disagree with the FOmar stuff, for many reasons. (I don't use any other class enough to care about them. >_>)



Primary Weapon: Psycho Wand or Magical Piece
alt: Striker of Chao or Sorceror's Cane


Teching with a FOmar online is pointless. The only place where techs are at all efficient is in Seabed, and that's only Megid. Also, S/D doesn't need a 4x range. Demonic Fork or unarmed if you're going to play a strict Force with FOmar. Psycho Wand is pointless, Ra-tech damage is terrible with FOmar and he doesn't have the HP to take the drain. Magical Piece will get you smacked around due to the terrible male Wand animation, especially since Gifoie and Gibarta are themselves very slow techniques. If you're going for boosts to Gi-level if you HAVE to tech, go for Sorceror's Cane first due to speed issues, FOmar's Rod animation is excellent. Striker of Chao as mentioned is a little pointless, might as well just go unarmed for the speed.



Melee Weapon: S-rank Scythe or Soul Banish
alt: S-rank Twin or Red Saber


Soul Banish should be first here and Scythe not at all, FOmar cannot afford the 5 ATA loss from using Scythe instead of Banish. You probably won't, but it's also possible to find Banish with Hit, which considering FOmar's ATA...

I'm not getting why you put S-Rank Twin as 'alt'. Both Banish and Twin should be used and switched between as called for by the situation.



Ranged Weapon: Red Handgun or Holy Ray
alt: S-rank gun, Rainbow Baton or S-rank J-cutter


Again, the best choice here is listed second. Why? Holy Ray's range and accuracy(70 ATA, WITHOUT Hit!) make it far, far better than Red Handgun. Nor is it difficult to aquire.

FOmar cannot use S-rank Gun. Ever. Why is it here? Please check your facts first next time. >_<; Rainbow Baton is fine, though I question J-cutter's inclusion. A Hit % Braveman would be better, IMO, since you have the possibility of actually HITTING with it... Not the special unless you're offline/lucky/have a LOT of Hit, but the normal attacks will work... XP



Armor: Aura Field
alt: Luminous Field


These are fine. *shrug*



Shield: Gifoie Merge
alt: Attribute Wall


Um... No. Sorry. Resta Merge or Tripolic Shield. There's no point in using a Merge offline as the damage you deal with techs there will be enough regardless, and using one online without meatshields is just asking for it with FOmar... Plus the previously mentioned inefficiency of damage techs. FOmar does much better meleeing, so if you're soloing, you'll want a Tripolic for the decent DFP/EVP, and if you're supporting you honestly really NEED a Resta Merge.



Units: God Ability x 4 or God Mind x 4
alt: for melee, God Battle & God Power x 3


I'd go for God/HP myself. Perhaps two of those and two God/Minds. A dead support Force does nobody any good.

For melee God/Arm should be used unless you're maxed with just your Mag. Which will happen long after you aquire everything else on this list(Long, long after since I already own all of the 'perfect' melee FOmar equipment and Zero's only L147...). God/Battle is an obvious yes, then one or two God/Arms dependent on level, then an appropriate Cure/ unit. 50 ATP will not make much difference. Plus FOmar's ATP growth is not bad, so at the high levels this is intended for, 3 God/Powers will likely more than max you.

Just the not-so-humble opinions of a longtime FOmar lover. XP

[SLON]

Ha ha, hard luck ,Sitka. You raise your head above the parapet, and it gets shot off!
As I only use Fomar these days, I will comment on just those.
Units: God/Mind - I don't use any, mainly because my MST is maxed out, and also, I would rather have Cure/Shock, Cure/Freeze and God/Ability equipped, plus one other, depending on my mood.
Weapons: Striker of Chao - a fun weapon, but pretty ineffective; any decent Mechgun beats the Striker hands down. Srank Handgun - I still can't equip this at Lvl 194, so I agree with Ian. Holy Ray - gives you the ability to target nasties at long range (eg Mericarol); Red Handgun has to be second choice.
Shield: I prefer Attribute Wall. I will not use a Resta merge - if you want Resta, stick close to me or use your own healing!
Armour - Aura Field may have the best stats, but I don't use it because it is ugly.

[Mixfortune]

General HU stuff, but primarily Humar/Hunewearl stuff I'm going to go over.

S-Rank twin is generally not AS useful on HUs, but this is debateable depending on your special in conjunction with your other weapons.

Also, if you're going to list "Tsumikiri J Sword" as the only primary best multi target weapon, where did Double Cannon go for single target?

I do not find handguns that great on HUs later on, as their inherently higher ATP makes mechguns quite a force to be reckoned with. 3x the number of hits more than makes up for the ATP difference, given you're willing to sacrifice a bit of range. I will agree with Holy Ray being up there for Hunewearl/Humar, though.

I wouldn't underestimate Charge Vulcans for HU and RAcast, though... given they are easily shop pipeable after a certain point. Not all of the better items necessarily have to be rares.

I'll agree with Kasami Bracer, at least for Humar. Especially, again, Kasami + mechguns. The ATP bonuses here and there begin to add up.

I'd say Cure/Paralysis and Cure/Shock are rather interchangable for fleshie HUs, depending on the area, of course. There may be better alternatives or combinations, but if you're going to put Cure/Shock, at least put Cure/Paralysis as an alt where applicable. Shock at least runs out after a moment or so, although one may make a case that Paralysis is cureable by more than one item.

Rainbow Baton... hmmm, I use it rather often, but it does indeed tend to be a "poor" weapon class to many. As long as you have a tank, or someone is freezing them, Rainbow Baton has its uses. Also one of the better rush weapons in existence, but that's not really applicable here.

Why is Attribute Wall listed for HUs? Kasami and Standstill destroy this. Maybe a case for the Kasami rarity, but SS is rather pipeable... and that'd conflict with the Tsumikiri line anyways o_O

God/Arm is "interchangeable" with God/Luck for HU, but that comes down to how the individual's stats are built.

I have not much experience with the twin swords area, except for currently, an Asuka. It tends to beat out my Demolition Comet... S-Rank Twin depends, varying on special.
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For the most part, the biggest change I think that needs to be made is that you have multiple "bests" while keeping the appropriate alternatives... for example:

Single Enemy Weapon: Black King Bar : Sange & Yasha
alt: Double Cannon : Asuka

Note that's just an example, you can include whatever more reasonable drops and such as you were before, but tidy it up a bit rather than having something like "Best = the best swords, alt = alt swords and the best partisans", for example... try to have something more like "Best = the best swords and the best partisans, alt = alt swords and alt partisans". Just a suggestion.

[Sitka]

This is what I was hoping for - constructive criticism, corrections needed (I'll work on this), and differences in opinion. I really worked hard checking all my facts, but I definitely know there was bound to be errors - so no worries there.

The idea here was to make an effort to improve on some dated and inaccurate guides and I believe we've made some progress there, albeit with some errors that need to be corrected.

Thanks again for the ideas/suggestions.

I'll try to make neccessary corrections to update original post.

In re-reading some of the ideas, I also noted that my greatest weaknesses were attacked. I do not play a Fomar well (first to admit) and I deleted and have just re-started my hunewearl and humar. Thus, I have much to learn about playing those three characters. I'm more comfortable and more experienced with Racast, Racaseal, Fonewearl, Fonewm, Hucast and Hucaseal. Ramarl is coming along and I'm still learning how best to use Fomar/Fomarl as I've played these almost 100% solo.

So your suggestions are both warranted and quite helpful.

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Added 4/28: Took the mothballs off my Fomar and actually tried out IanKunx's suggestions - I was pwned. Seriously, thanks for the corrections - you were absolutely right - I'll update the original post asap.

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