Cheating in GC PSO

[WraithAkaMrak]

From what I've read, Sonic Team says they're making efforts to prevent (to some extent) cheating in PSO Episode I & II.

Do you think they'll be able to keep cheating from happening? Or make it less prevalent than it was on the Dreamcast?

I'd personally like to see all forms of cheating eliminated, but I doubt they could take it that far. I'll hope that they can at least stop people from PK-ing.

[WraithAkaMrak]

[Oops. That shouldn't have all been in the Poll question. My first poll, so, my mistake. See if I can edit it...]

[Ian D]

I think Sonic Team will do all they can to stop cheating, but I don't think they will be able to totally stop it (but we can hope.)

[Mag_Launcher]

They can't prevent it forever... Someone's gonna crack it eventually and start the cheating all over again. Well, as long as they don't bring back PK, NOL, and that stupid s***, I'm just fine, I don't mind carrying duped or hacked weapons.

[pso_darkknight]

i hope that cheating will be stop in GC. But i will have no prob with that cuz i will be playing offline with 3 other friends.

[Shadow_Blade]

I just voted they would get rid of all of it...maybe my one vote will encourage them. ^_^ *crosses fingers*



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[Kalbelgarion]

Cheating won't be gone entirely, but Sonic Team actually cares about this version of the game. So I assume they'll do more to block cheating.

[SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko]

Sonic team will most likely have the previous "cheating prevention" game mechanics, which will screw over people who don't cheat, while cheaters will run rampant.

[Russta]

Gotta love optimism.

[PrinceBrightstar]

if only they'd buckle down as hard as squaresoft is doing on cheating

[Agent_Reav]

Interact already has a Gamshark up and running for the Gamecube. As soon as it's released I'm sure we'll see hacking aplenty... Cause frankly I don't think SEGA gives a damn.

[Malkavian]

hey, they did a nice job the first months of ver2. But they gave up, I think they will try to prevent cheating forever, but cheating will be there but not as easy as now in DC

[Agent_Reav]

I guess me and some friends are just gonna haveta claim our own ship again... b4 things get outta control ^_^;

[Ian D]

I wonder who voted it will be much worse on the GC then the DC...

[GhoStar]

if only they'd buckle down as hard as squaresoft is doing on cheating
Yeah, it's amazing what an add-on like the HDD and 10$ PER MONTH PAY-TO-PLAY can do as an incentive.

[mikev2]

well we have all had the temptation to cheat but it does ruin the game if some one offers you a new weapon or a spread to use off line or on it not a boig deal but when you use 1 hit etc, or nol and you are ruining the game.

http://tkdsouth.tripod.com/index.pso.html

[Defend]

Yeh gee cheating sucks..

Show of hands who doesn't use dupes. They ruined PSO much more than PK'ing.

Just irritates me how every 100th person is legit in the game, but then you come to the boards and its all "what's a dupe?"

I agree with SnAPPLE, I won't be surprised when some annoying patch comes in that bugs everyone, and stops a good 3 dupes.
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[WraithAkaMrak]

I don't use dupes or take items if they're known to be duped.

[Mag_Launcher]

I do, however.

[Lejes]

I still haven't seen anything convincing. Has Sonic Team even said anything about what they're going to do about the cheating on GC?

[RavenTW]

Item modifying and duping are ok if your a nice person and give them away. But If you like to show off that you have "rares" and other people don't it's just plain annoying. And that's just jerks, the real PSO killers are people who take pleasure in turning characters into a lowely level 5 HUneweal, or taking someone's prized rare, or freezing somone's game, making them have to restart and lose almost all of their inventory, or stealing all of the experience. These are the people that make a session of online play pure dread, wondering if the game your about to enter has helpful and nice people, or a bunch of psychos that are waiting to...

Ok, I'm getting off topic, better stop. although hacking goes both ways, it would be nice to not have such a thing, where you could feel a sense of accomplishment completing a game like this. I, personally, look forward to the month or so while gmsccc is coming up with codes to wreck the game once again, and we all must play legit.

Yes, there will most likely be hacking and cheating. But I doubt it will be as bad a DC.

[Agent_Reav]

Barubary has stated before that he plans on getting PSO GC codes out within 2 weeks of it's release... That mofo is crazy so I don't doubt it :/ I only hope that SEGA remedies the truly annoying problems like BSOD, Lobby Freeze and such... I'm also pre-ordering the US version as soon as I get settled into my dorm so I can get at least a week or two of hack-free playtime.

[MushaTek]

I say no matter what's implemented the cheats are gonna come and they're gonna come harder than black pornstar on viagra. Just give it 1-2 months and it'll go sraight to hell in a handbasket unless Sonic Team developes anti-Gameshark software... then I'll give it about 5 months.

[haterade]

On 2002-07-31 21:15, MushaTek wrote:
I say no matter what's implemented the cheats are gonna come and they're gonna come harder than black pornstar on viagra.

*laughs hard*

"black porn stars on Viagra"

*chuckles*

[BaronLaw]

There's more than just the Gameshark. Xploder and CodeBreaker are two additional cheat devices.

One hopes that Sonic Team will do more in the way of preventing and punishing cheating in PSO Episode 1&2. Unfortunately, it looks like the worst form of cheating -- item creation -- will be the hardest to eliminate as the items are created offline and can be made to replicate legitimate items.

BaronLaw

[Malkavian]

Can't barubary care more for the xbox version and forget the gc?

[Mag_Launcher]

Well, for one, GC is easier to do. That's also the reason why Interact chose to do a GC gameshark first.

Item Creation is NOT the worst form of cheating. Hey, tell me, would like seeing someone with a created weapon, or some jackass NOLing your ass and losing EVERYTHING you've gotten. I believe I know what I'd choose as a better outcome.

Dupes or not, it's a free weapon. And hell, lemme just say this to all legit GC players: If you don't want it, I'll gladly take it for you, because I don't go around like an adolescent girl worrying about "Legitimacy". (As opposed to *ahem* you know what I mean.)

And not ALL cheaters are bad. Usually, yes, you run when some 13 yr. old jackass comes into a room and starts dropping people. But when a cheater just comes into a game, not hogging exp, following the rules, you should accept his presence. Every time I come into a game full of strangers, they ask if I cheat, and I honestly say yes, then explain that I won't do anything bad. But still, I had times where I was being completely nice, and some prissy FOnewm goes "Eww, cheater! i'm outta here, my legitimacy is at risk!" (And believe me, most of them WERE forces.) Really, I'm a nice person if you give me a chance, but when you look down upon every cheater and think you're so damn high & mighty, THEN I get pissed. It's almost like being "Legit" (Gah, I hate the sheer sound of the word.) has become an online religion, of sorts.

[BaronLaw]

Item Creation is NOT the worst form of cheating. Hey, tell me, would like seeing someone with a created weapon, or some jackass NOLing your ass and losing EVERYTHING you've gotten. I believe I know what I'd choose as a better outcome.

Item creation is the worst form of cheating because it affects the structure of the game itself. The PSO economy and cooperative nature of the online experience is undermined with an inflation of items.

And not ALL cheaters are bad. Usually, yes, you run when some 13 yr. old jackass comes into a room and starts dropping people. But when a cheater just comes into a game, not hogging exp, following the rules, you should accept his presence. Every time I come into a game full of strangers, they ask if I cheat, and I honestly say yes, then explain that I won't do anything bad. But still, I had times where I was being completely nice, and some prissy FOnewm goes "Eww, cheater! i'm outta here, my legitimacy is at risk!" (And believe me, most of them WERE forces.) Really, I'm a nice person if you give me a chance, but when you look down upon every cheater and think you're so damn high & mighty, THEN I get pissed. It's almost like being "Legit" (Gah, I hate the sheer sound of the word.) has become an online religion, of sorts.

That's constructing a strawman. It's the cheating that is bad. Whether or not a cheater is a bad person generally speaking is an entirely separate and unrelated issue.

There is no reason anyone should be forced to accept the presence of a cheater in a game. It's the cheater that is acting ultra vires, not others.

BaronLaw






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[Mag_Launcher]

*sigh* The only reason why you're replying defensively is because you are one of the people I was talking about. (The "look down apon cheaters, naughty or nice" type)

Look, if you wanna force your closed minded opinions on someone, go ahead, just don't expect everyone you talk to to agree with you.

[BaronLaw]

On 2002-08-01 13:42, Mag_Launcher wrote:
*sigh* The only reason why you're replying defensively is because you are one of the people I was talking about. (The "look down apon cheaters, naughty or nice" type)

Look, if you wanna force your closed minded opinions on someone, go ahead, just don't expect everyone you talk to to agree with you.


What conclusion should one draw when someone avoids the entire thrust of one's argument ? In this case, the difficulty of putting forward a coherent, compelling response.

BaronLaw

[Alielle]

I agree with BaronLaw.

Also, I find it ironic that so many cheaters act like they're the ones whose toes are being stepped on when people ask them to leave the game. If people don't want to play with them, they should respect their wishes, since they're the ones who breached the rules and decided to cheat in the first place.

[Defend]

Same here.
NOL is avoidable. Dupes aren't, the entire game goes with them.. I've had 2 attempted NOLs in many months, both failed. But every day my rares, such as Elysion and God Shield Byakko, are worthless.

Cheating is fine. You can mess about defining what is and isn't cheating, but its just what results that matters.. including legitimate cheating. The difference being that every legitimate way of ruining PSO is part of how it was designed, victims can simply walk away.

Anything offline is your game, I'll even go so far as to say lock yourself up in an online game alone, and do what you want. Once one duplicated valued item comes into the online world though, you're ruining the game. Dupe all the mag foods you want, its illegitimate, but no one will mind, and PSO won't suffer.

If PSO had to have NOLing, or dupes, I'd pick NOL. Easily.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Sonic Team wants people to enjoy their game:PSO.

People enjoy it different ways including:
Playing with advantages like created items or doing the opposite, finding everything on their own and being proud of it.

Producing items is cheating.
NOL/RSOD/etc. is cheating.
People say one is worse than the other but that should be irrelevant as Sonic Team does not want cheating in their game.

When you play the game as a normal consumer, you start out on your own with no advantages.
This is how Sonic Team ideally wants you to play.
Nothing wrong with playing this way.
So don't brand some player who doesn't want to use advantages like created items a "damn legit" or other derogatory name.
At least respect their right to choose which way they wish to play.

You don't have to like a cheater or the opposite, a legit but respect their right to choose and don't demean them for it.

Gaming is meant to be fun people, so quit arguing and have fun.
Please.
Thank you in advance.