PSOBB: Heaven Striker + plot = ? (spoilers!)

[Tycho]

Okay, so... the description of Heaven Striker is:



A handgun based
on secret military
blueprints.


Military? Secret? Sounds like WORKS to me, Leo Grahart in particular.
In 9 - 1 it was mentioned Pioneer 2 did see the meteor coming, but did not give any official statements because it supposedly would not hit either Ragol, or Pioneer 2. Now, if Leo Grahart had people develop the Heaven Striker, he probably had a very good reason to do so.
In 9 - 1 it was also mentioned that the meteor's course was altered by a ray of light, that came from Ragol. Last of all, this 12-star handgun is called "HEAVEN STRIKER".
Seems to me like Leo Grahart developed the Heaven Striker to make the meteor crash into Ragol.

Now here is my question.
Why the hell would he have wanted that to happen? X_X

[rena-ko]

because works needed more work to do, so they created a new problem to solve.

[Tycho]

Great reason to send Hunters on a suicide mission. >_>

[drizzle]

I think it was named after the special attack (Divine Punishment, no?) just like the Heaven Punisher... don't think he shot the meteor down with it, after all, the average handgun doesn't have that kind of range ;p

[Dana]

i agree, it seems to "farfetched" to be a good reason....

I doubt that is what happend, well, it might be,i just doubt it

[Hrith]

I'm with Rena http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Skorpius]

I think the light that shifted the meteoroid was the combined energies of Falz and Olga Flow (Episode 3, Endu's Story).

There's no proof of what the light was, so whatever. >_>

By the way:
Meteoroid - Rock in space.
Meteor - Rock from space in atmosphere.
Meteorite - Rock from space on ground.

;P

[AxelgearVII]

Wont we find out what the light was later on in the government quests?

[Saiffy]

PSO's story makes sense?

[Jason]

On 2005-07-01 10:51, Saiffwin wrote:
PSO's story makes sense?



No. And yes. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Saffran]

Some light is shed about that on later quests. I'm still collecting screenshots of the texts with the different plots, so for now I will shut up.

[ai_no_usagi]

me and my boyfriend had a long discussion because of this.
what we think, is that yes, the Military changes the course of the meteor so that it will crash into Ragol
but why?
because they wanted to make a hole in Ragol, so that they could get down into the center of the planet to harness the Dark Power that was sealed there in order to make the Ultimate Weapon.
but, that's just a theory ^_^;

[Jive18]

On 2005-07-01 10:54, Jason wrote:


On 2005-07-01 10:51, Saiffwin wrote:
PSO's story makes sense?



No. And yes. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



Eh, I'd lean more to the "no" statement http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

[Tycho]

On 2005-07-01 17:36, ai_no_usagi wrote:
because they wanted to make a hole in Ragol, so that they could get down into the center of the planet

Making this ultimate handgun to change the course of this meteor that just so happened to pass by so it would land in some spot where it would create this hole in Ragol, without risking to accidently hit the dome or P2?
They could have just dug their way down. >_>

To whoever said PSO has no plot: you just don't see it. <_<

[Meh]

I don't think theres any plot to it. Someone got an over powered torch and turned it on facing the meaty rock and the meaty rock just wanted to have a rest and landed on Ragol. Thats what i think http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Nai_Calus]

Nobody said PSO didn't have a plot, Tycho, they just questioned the sense of it. XP

PSO's plot makes perfect sense if you're willing to make a few theories, smoke a little crack and completely ignore anything past Ep2.

It's if you try to take everything at face value, don't smoke crack and try to work EpIII and now EpIV into it that nothing makes sense and it gets all fun and contradict-y. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Tycho]

Well... I have only seen a small part of the dialogue yet, I hope it will be more clear after playing some more. I've done 9-1 ~ 9-4 and seen the subplot of 9-2, that's it. Now if only the billing site would work and ST would release more! ><;

[Rydius]

9-2 has a subplot? As far as I can see the plotline has gained many new holes. After all, how the hell can Kireek show up in Ep4 when you kill him in Ep1's sideplot for the Soul Eater?

And don't say "He got better" http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Tomoki]

Thats easy. He's a robot, he can be rebuilt. What I want to know is how many Soul Eaters he has, with everyone taking them and all. D:

[Nai_Calus]

On 2005-07-03 18:05, Rydius wrote:
9-2 has a subplot? As far as I can see the plotline has gained many new holes. After all, how the hell can Kireek show up in Ep4 when you kill him in Ep1's sideplot for the Soul Eater?

And don't say "He got better" http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Because he just can. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Well, I dunno, it depends, does he actually indeed show up on difficulties where you got the Soul Eater, or is it like the different versions of Seat of the Heart where he shows up with Sue if you do the subplot where you don't kill him for the Eater, and they don't show up if you do kill him?(Recall that if you do Soul Eater quests on a difficulty, you get the default SotH for that difficulty, and if you do Sue/Bernie subplot for a difficulty, you get the alternate SotH)

If he shows up regardless, I'm going to regard that as somewhat lazy unless they have a damn good reason, though it does seem to be pointing to the Sue/Bernie subplot of the Ep1 offline quests as the 'true' version of things, much like the extra information gained playing the version of Seat of the Heart generated by doing that subplot does.

PSO has such a great plot. Half of it you have to make up yourself. X3 I love that. >.>

[Jason]

On 2005-07-03 22:00, Ian-KunX wrote:
[quote]
On 2005-07-03 18:05, Rydius wrote:
PSO has such a great plot. Half of it you have to make up yourself. X3 I love that. >.>



Sounds so true. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Getintothegame]

Ya know, it's a little weird, because Episode 3 mentions a small 'explosion' after Episode 2. I'd have to find my thread on this, but I'd love to have ST fix Ep3's story.

[Arislan]

Are you sure they weren't talking about the same old P1 explosion from Dark Falz? Only other one, like stated before, would be Endu, and that's a bit after the fact.

[PrinceBrightstar]

On 2005-07-01 10:54, Jason wrote:


On 2005-07-01 10:51, Saiffwin wrote:
PSO's story makes sense?



No. And yes. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



I'll be trying to piece together what i can from the story with my machinima. I'll be checking with Clumsy constantly on the material i put in to make sure i don't go against the storyline.

And as for kireek, you've all missed the point entierly. He's still alive because episode 1 hasn't finished yet. Episode III and Episode IV are proof that ST jumps around in the time line. Episode II takes place after caves, before mines. Episode IV after mines, before ruins. It explains why sue doesn't call you by name when you see her. Kireek still has his scythe, ash says you saved him back then, and Bernie....well, i haven't seen anything that needs the knack yet but...

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Jonathan_F on 2005-07-05 03:19 ]</font>

[Rydius]

On 2005-07-05 03:10, Jonathan_F wrote:

And as for kireek, you've all missed the point entierly. He's still alive because episode 1 hasn't finished yet. Episode III and Episode IV are proof that ST jumps around in the time line. Episode II takes place after caves, before mines. Episode IV after mines, before ruins. It explains why sue doesn't call you by name when you see her. Kireek still has his scythe, ash says you saved him back then, and Bernie....well, i haven't seen anything that needs the knack yet but...

Thats odd, because Elly Person in Episode 2 is the same 'Elly Person' that you meet during one of episode 1's side quests in the mines. Plus a lot of Episode 2's story seems to go around what happened after episode 1 was finished...

In my opinion, Episode 4 takes place after Episode 1, because they would still be investigating the central dome area after Falz was defeated. Kireek possibly was rebuilt after you whupped his ass and Ash could be thanking you for saving him from Kireek (final fight on the soul eater quest.) Also if you do follow the Soul Eater sub-quest, then of course Sue wouldn't know your name...

Edit: Did a test... On Normal Ep4, Kireek knows my name because I've done some of the side story to Ep1. On hard.. he doesn't know me because I've yet to do the Ep1 side story on that difficulty.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Rydius on 2005-07-07 10:41 ]</font>

[Hrith]

Sue knows my name in Ep4 XO

I think Ep2 is way after Ep1, too, same for Ep4.

I'd think Ep4 is after Ep2 because of Seat of the Heart and references to the MOTHER project.

Ep4 is definitely after Ep1 (Soul of Steel real plot).

Bernie says a lot of things to you personally if you do the right plot in Ep1, but doesn't seem to remember you much in Ep4, while Sue, Kireek and Ash do.
Also, doesn't he die in Seek my Master? (and don't tell me Bernie was rebuilt >_>)

[Saiffy]

On 2005-07-07 10:37, Kef wrote:
Sue knows my name in Ep4 XO

I think Ep2 is way after Ep1, too, same for Ep4.

I'd think Ep4 is after Ep2 because of Seat of the Heart and references to the MOTHER project.

Ep4 is definitely after Ep1 (Soul of Steel real plot).

Bernie says a lot of things to you personally if you do the right plot in Ep1, but doesn't seem to remember you much in Ep4, while Sue, Kireek and Ash do.
Also, doesn't he die in Seek my Master? (and don't tell me Bernie was rebuilt >_>)


All those points I've noticed before. I believe it was confirmed that ep4 was after ep2, I don't know for sure though.

Yeah, I found it odd how Bernie was back... It just doesn't add up there.

[Skorpius]

Ep1, Ep2, Ep4, Ep3.

That's the order of things.

There was an explosion of light that created Endu and whatnot 20 some years before Ep3, and there is a light starting Ep4.

Oh my gawd ;l

[Rydius]

On 2005-07-07 10:37, Kef wrote:
Also, doesn't he die in Seek my Master? (and don't tell me Bernie was rebuilt >_>)

Everytime I've gone through that quest on Xbox, I've talked to Bernie before finishing it. To me it looks like Bernie survived barely, but lost part of his memory. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

[Hrith]

My guess, too, Rydius, that he managed to survive.

[Pobega]

On 2005-07-03 18:05, Rydius wrote:
9-2 has a subplot? As far as I can see the plotline has gained many new holes. After all, how the hell can Kireek show up in Ep4 when you kill him in Ep1's sideplot for the Soul Eater?

And don't say "He got better" http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



He stood still and waited for his health to heal

[Tycho]

On 2005-07-07 10:54, Skorpius wrote:
Ep1, Ep2, Ep4, Ep3.
That's the order of things.

There was an explosion of light that created Endu and whatnot 20 some years before Ep3, and there is a light starting Ep4.


Falz and Olga were related to that meteor impact?

[AxelgearVII]

On 2005-07-03 18:05, Rydius wrote:
After all, how the hell can Kireek show up in Ep4 when you kill him in Ep1's sideplot for the Soul Eater?



I beleive Episode 4 takes place before that happens. >_> <_< Its a prequel of sorts.

[Rydius]

On 2005-07-08 11:24, AxelgearVIII wrote:


On 2005-07-03 18:05, Rydius wrote:
After all, how the hell can Kireek show up in Ep4 when you kill him in Ep1's sideplot for the Soul Eater?



I beleive Episode 4 takes place before that happens. >_> <_< Its a prequel of sorts.

Actually upon further looking into things, it turns out that Episode 4 is well after Episode 1. The whole storyline follows the true 'Soul of Steel' subplot which begins when you tell Sue your name and you don't fight 'Black Hound' ever.

I believe someone put screenshots up in another topic in which Elenor mentions 'MOTHER' which coincidentally is what WORKS is up to down in the crater proper. It was also mentioned in Episode 2's 'Seat of the Heart' quest.

It'll be interesting to see where this is going...

[XenOmega]

On 2005-07-07 15:42, Pobega wrote:


On 2005-07-03 18:05, Rydius wrote:
9-2 has a subplot? As far as I can see the plotline has gained many new holes. After all, how the hell can Kireek show up in Ep4 when you kill him in Ep1's sideplot for the Soul Eater?

And don't say "He got better" http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



He stood still and waited for his health to heal

Lol, Thats a great solution.

[Tycho]

On 2005-07-03 18:05, Rydius wrote:
After all, how the hell can Kireek show up in Ep4 when you kill him in Ep1's sideplot for the Soul Eater? And don't say "He got better" http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


Ofcourse Kireek could have been rebuilt, Black Paper probably still had use for him. But since EP4 follows the Sue subplot...

[Cynric]

Here's some interesting info I had to bribe a guard 10k meseta to learn. The part about the Tower may even suggest that EP4 is after Ep2.

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/475/mother10ek.jpg
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/6417/mother25sg.jpg
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/1461/mother32bf.jpg
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/7015/mother49gy.jpg
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/2015/mother54ry.jpg
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5690/mother60yh.jpg
http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/3651/mother76tb.jpg

[Saiffy]

For those who don't want to load those images... <_<

Spoilers ahead, I guess >_>




















That meteor crashing into Ragol was like an omen to reform this plan.
Data from the Control Tower, via WIS..
The weapon that took down the meteor... The impact site...
That girl's power...
And finally... The MOTHER Project.
The project has entered its final stage.
To discover the truth, go underground, beneath the Crater.


Yeah, it's obviously after episode 2.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Saiffwin on 2005-07-11 21:37 ]</font>

[Tycho]

On 2005-07-11 21:37, Saiffwin wrote:
For those who don't want to load those images... <_<

Spoilers ahead, I guess >_>




















The weapon that took down the meteor... The impact site...


:rolleyes:

[Tycho]

Hmmmm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/Tycho01/pso1121376020.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/Tycho01/pso1121376632.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/Tycho01/pso1121377475.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/Tycho01/pso1121377480.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/Tycho01/pso1121377489.jpg

So the Heaven Striker has not been completed yet? Then what is this weapon that did take down the meteor? And... third MOTHER project? One was the Elenor project, another one was the Rupika project. What the? >_>

[Saiffy]

Calus? >_>;

[Arislan]

::cough:: PSII Mother Brain ::cough::

[PJ]

The MOTHER project in the tower I guess would be the third.

Elenor and Rupika are mother projects? o_O

[Saffran]

Wouldn't Ult qualify as a Mother project?

[Tycho]

I think Elenor was the older sister. If Ult would be younger (newer), how come Ult failed at what Elenor did manage to do? >_<
Calus was just one of the three big AI's. They were probably made mostly to test out what the researchers could do with the emotional AI of D-Cells. Later on, project alpha to epsilon were all ditched in favor of the more important MOTHER project. I think the other projects were;

- Alpha: Machines with an AI, based on Photon energy. This includes Mag technology and androids. Some of the machines were made for experimental purposes, other ones for defense/offense. The enemies in the Mines were either corrupted by the D-cells or controlled by Vol Opt though. The Sinows in the Seabed plant were made to defend the place, but I'm not really sure about the Berrill/Spigell Sinows in Gal Da Val. >_>
I think newmans were created shortly before this, since these projects were led mostly by Jean Carlo Montague and Dr. Osto Hyle (hey, why exactly is it he died again?).
Results: Mags, androids, all enemies from the Mines, the Sinow series, Recoboxes.

- Beta: Creatures with an altered DNA structure because of D-factor mutations. These were meant only to experiment with the D-cells (which turned out more powerful than Photon technology), and did not serve defensive purposes. But after De Rol and the Gal Gryphon broke free and infected wildlife and plants, it was hard for the scientists to recover them, thus they reported sightings of these ABeasts on Ragol, and made Tyrell send out hunters to clean them up.
The native animals and plants on Ragol were also affected by the D-factor which caused their aggressive behavior, but not quite as much as the "ABeast" ones. This might be because of the 'monsters' in the Caves were closer to a source of D-cell mutations (De Rol) than the animals in the Forest.
Results: all enemies from the Caves, De Rol Le / Dal Ra Lie, Gal Gryphon, Merillia/Meriltas/Mericarol/Merikle/Mericus, Dolmolm/Dolmdarl, Barba Ray (doesn't really count because it only exists in VR).

- Gamma: 'Dark' monsters, created after science gained control of the D-factor, because "ZOMG, we'd be so powerful if we could make our very own Falz!". They later tried that again using CARD technology, yay. The Dark monsters were eventually used mostly to eliminate trespassers in the Seabed plant and in the Control Towers, where they were working on the next projects.
Dimenians and other Ruins enemies don't count, they were there because of Falz rather than because of the scientists.
Results: Deldepth, Morfos, Delbiter, Ill Gill, Del Lily

- Delta: The three AI's Vol Opt, Calus, and Olga. After the D-cell type monsters were created, scientists did these experiments to try to apply their knowledge about the D-factor to create emotional AI's themselves. They succeeded, but Calus felt like they had ditched him in favor of the MOTHER project. I really need to redo SotH for the subplot though, it's been some time since I've seen it.
Later on Vol Opt got corrupted by Falz. Calus shut himself down to prevent getting fully corrupted in the same way, but was rebuilt to serve the Laboratory, with thanks to Elly Person's backup. Olga was used in even more experiments, they ended up implanting his AI in the D-factor infected Heathcliff Flowen. This way they tried to control him (and thus, his D-factor powers).
They succeeded, but rid themselves of him by tossing him into the Test Subject Disposal Area. This would have happened at the moment the player enters this area, since Olga falls from above at that moment, and obviously cannot fly. Shortly before this Flowen still retains his humanity despite the circumstances, but in the TSDA it seems his movement is mostly controlled by Olga or the D-factor (... or was he purposely trying to get himself killed, because of happened to his student / friend / colleague Ragol pioneer Rico Tyrell, and because of the state he was in?).
Results: Vol Opt, Calus, Olga (Flow)

- Epsilon: Well, the Epsilon project was just that... Epsilon. >_>
I'm not sure their fifth project was so small, but since they could control it (as opposed to the equally scary results of the third project..), this was a new great accomplishment. Rafoie bombs, instant death Epsi-Guards, and full-defense mode, yay. Don't know much about these, Epsilon is not mentioned often in the plot. It was still inferior to the Heaven Striker project (oh noes, handgun with rifle range that can destroy orbital objects) and the MOTHER project (zomg, control AI's including mags, androids, machines like computers, and spaceships built for battle). I need to recheck where those come into the story though...
Results: Epsilon <_<


I still want to know what exactly was the weapon used to redirect the meteor, why they did it (did they predict it contained more D-cells?), what Rupika was referring to as her 'father', why there were three MOTHER projects, etc.
PSO does have plot, damnit. ~_~

[Saffran]

They succeeded, but rid themselves of him by tossing him into the Test Subject Disposal Area. This would have happened at the moment the player enters this area, since Olga falls from above at that moment, and obviously cannot fly.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Remember his attack patterns?
Besides, there's this "lost feathers" effect when you knock him down from the elevator. He loses consciousness and crashes far below.

And for starters, the messages you read in Seabed were recorded months ago. By the time Ep2 rolls in, there hasn't been any survivor in there for at least several months - Flowen describes how they are so few in the plant, and by the time he goes nuts and they get rid of him they are only very few left.

"newmen created shortly before": Montague is a newman. Shortly would at LEAST mean a few generations.

There are several issues... I'll get to them later, I guess.

[Saiffy]

The last message before you fight Olga Flow is apparently being sent in real time... Although it doesn't say much at all, just to point it out.

[Getintothegame]

Something else I'd like to point out as well:

Episode 3 can somehow fit in the story. We'd just need to realize that it'll be a little off, but if we take it with a little crack, I'm sure it'll all fit together.

Anyway, my point is that the Tower of Caelum is up in Episode 1/2/3/4. It was built by Pioneer 1. Now how this fits into the EpIV story: Doesn't some guard mention something about a tower other than the 2 CCA towers?

Not entirely sure about the guard, I'd take it with a grain of salt.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Getintothegame on 2005-07-15 10:46 ]</font>

[Tact]

On 2005-07-15 04:39, Tycho wrote:
The Sinows in the Seabed plant were made to defend the place, but I'm not really sure about the Berrill/Spigell Sinows in Gal Da Val. >_>



I believe those Sinow models were also made to defend against intruders.

If you check the Lab computer on the surface in Ep2, it states that Sinows Berill and Spigell are...

"Test Code Level Alpha Product: Search & Capture Unit. According to the analysis on Berill and Spigell, they were deployed to protect the Central ares and Test Sites. D-Factor infection has been discovered in the AI of these two types. The viral infection is identical to that found under the Central Dome. It's equipment is: Photon camouflage, Transport generator, Incineration device. Those are some terms you don't hear everyday! It's categorized under capture type."

[Tycho]

On 2005-07-15 11:39, tactician7777 wrote:


Then what did they protect? The entrances to the Control Towers? Could those Sinows have been developed in there? Perhaps that's where they infused the Gal Gryphon with D-cells as well?

[Skorpius]

Island security drones.

[Feelmirath]

(and don't tell me Bernie was rebuilt >_>)

No, he got better http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Coxy]

Does anyone have the transcripts of what each character says for the three different routes you can take, telling sue your name, not telling her and not doing the quests at all

anyone?

[Tycho]

On 2005-07-18 11:23, Coxy wrote:
Does anyone have the transcripts of what each character says for the three different routes you can take, telling sue your name, not telling her and not doing the quests at all
anyone?


I'm not sure if it matters much. All I know is that if you complete the Sue subplot you can dodge having to pay in 9-4 in order to advance to Crater Interior.

[Genoa]

... hello?... >_> the Rappies did it.... duh?

[Coxy]

On 2005-07-18 17:31, Tycho wrote:


On 2005-07-18 11:23, Coxy wrote:
Does anyone have the transcripts of what each character says for the three different routes you can take, telling sue your name, not telling her and not doing the quests at all
anyone?


I'm not sure if it matters much. All I know is that if you complete the Sue subplot you can dodge having to pay in 9-4 in order to advance to Crater Interior.




I'm just interested in seeing the differences really Tycho

for anyone that did the sue subplot and didn't get the soul eater, does bernie make a reference to the gran squall in 9-2? i guess that question also goes for those who havent done either of the two plots aswell

[Erk]

You guys don't have to worry anymore because I posted a suggestion saying they should post the storyline of PSO and they said it is on their to do list.