PSU and age?

[Dre_o]

Title says all. I was thinking of what kind of effects age could have on characters, I'm not thinking of how Beasts age slow, but over all. Like humans and such, what kind of effects could having a really young hunter have? Lowered attack? Increased MST, or what not?

I personally found it annoying to see a tiny HUnewearl weilding a broad sword and swinging the thing with no problem.

[Rubesahl]

Hmph! Me thinks your discriminating the little people! [Joke XD] Actually I also found that kinda weird >_>; And sadly, I think it'll go on lol.

[OdinTyler]

The reason for that is for in story/in game purposes, they have high dexterity & agility so even something as cumbersome as a large sword, they can handle with ease. HUnewearls & HUcaseals are pretty good at this. Also, given the fact of their hunter training.

[PhruitBaskit]

On 2005-11-02 05:13, Dre_o wrote:
Title says all. I was thinking of what kind of effects age could have on characters, I'm not thinking of how Beasts age slow, but over all. Like humans and such, what kind of effects could having a really young hunter have? Lowered attack? Increased MST, or what not?

I personally found it annoying to see a tiny HUnewearl weilding a broad sword and swinging the thing with no problem.

I doubt age will have any effect on the abilities of your chars. It would be stupid to have lower attack or increased MST (It wouldn't really be stupid, it would take the fun out of having a young char). Then again, it would add more of a variety to the stats of different races and ages.

And the small HUnewearl with giant weapons made me laugh...It's just funny! http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[OdinTyler]

No. Age only affects the races for story-driven purposes. It was already discussed why Newmans were given shorter lifespans & why Beasts have longer ones. For all intents & purposes, its just the story. It wont affect your specific stats.

[Dre_o]

Blast! All these arguements make perfect sense but I just thought of the time continuation like the old get older but wiser and all that crap and that would have to be in full effect for age to matter.

HOLY CRAP!! A character going through the teen years in game would be freaking hillarious! wow, I really don't have room to talk.

[Rion772]

I think it would be idiotic to have your characters stats be affected by age...

[Dre_o]

On 2005-11-02 16:07, Rion772 wrote:
I think it would be idiotic to have your characters stats be affected by age...


Why? Keep in mind that not all effects would have to be negative. It would allow for a completely different game experience.

[PhruitBaskit]

On 2005-11-02 16:37, Dre_o wrote:


On 2005-11-02 16:07, Rion772 wrote:
I think it would be idiotic to have your characters stats be affected by age...


Why? Keep in mind that not all effects would have to be negative. It would allow for a completely different game experience.

I agree with both of you...Rion's right when he says it would be idiotic (it would http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif) and Dre o's right when he says it would allow for a completely different game experience (it would http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif), but is that a good thing?

Different is good, but if it comes in the form of ages affecting stats, then ugh!

[ANIMEniac]

well i know i would be saddened that if i was lvl 190 and loged on one day to find "your character is dead." but aslo what would constitite time. do you mean actual time or time by lvl.

[PhruitBaskit]

On 2005-11-02 17:49, ANIMEniac wrote:
well i know i would be saddened that if i was lvl 190 and loged on one day to find "your character is dead." but aslo what would constitite time. do you mean actual time or time by lvl.

That would suck a fatty! your char's name here passed away at the age of level 190 (at the funeral). Constitute time? Just screw it! That would make thing a little too complicated.

And good question, did Dre o mean actual time or time by lvl? Either way, aging would suck.

[Dre_o]

Yes, the whole dying thing was next on my mind. I agree that would SUCK ROYALLY. If PSU does implement this system, we'll be sure that ST will find a way to f$%^ it up. (If it isn't f-ed up already http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif )

And on the time thing, maybe something like every 2 months you age like .5 years?



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[OdinTyler]

Well, since we seem to be on this sub-topic (tho thats not really what the topic was intended for, I dont think), in EQOA, a char went up by lvls (as always). However, the levels could be considered seasons. Four seasons constitute a year & the first four are pretty much given to you when you start your char. Doesnt take long to hit Lv4. Anyway, going on this formula, at Lv60 (the current lvl max), you will have aged about 15 yrs. If we did that for PSO/PSU, one would gain 50 yrs. Quite the considerable difference.

[ANIMEniac]

lol wow thats news to me. i didnt know that the cap was lvl 60. so is it gunna be like WOW and be redonculous levels of hard to lvl. btw does any 1 know the lvl'in system, or would that be a new thread?

[OdinTyler]

No no no. I was just making an example. Everquest Online Adventures (with the Frontiers upgrade) had a lvl max of 60. I used it as an example to say that 60 lvls = 15 years of character life. However, with PSO, 200 lvls would = 50 years of character life (in keeping with that formula).

[ANIMEniac]

o yea i c now. it would be crazy. and what about those ppl who make there character mature (old)to sratr with. by lvl 120 they might as well be walking purple tablets(tombstones from challenge)

[OdinTyler]

(a body hits the ground)
You have died.
Here's your tombstone.

http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I didnt do challenge much but that tombstone was annoying, yet, funny at the same time.

[PhruitBaskit]

Death because of your age (or level) would suck a fatty! It's a little bit too realistic for a Phantasy Star Game http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Besides, a true warrior never gets old. Who wants an old fart char anyways.

Grandpa's coming to kick some ass! LOL

[OdinTyler]

Beware the old warriors. They have much to teach. Yoda, anyone? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Dre_o]

Indeed, as long as our warriors didn't die, would getting old really be bad? The older the warrior, the wiser and more powerful he is. Again, Yoda anyone? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[OdinTyler]

Yes, Yoda was about 900 when he died & he taught Jedi for about 800 of those years. I found it interesting (& very fitting) to learn that Yoda is a Sanskrit (world's oldest written language) word that means...of all things...'warrior'. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[PhruitBaskit]

No, aging wouldn't be that bad if you didn't die. But that'snly if your strength is very great when you're 'old' http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

And Yoda kicked some serious ass...And Yoda meaning 'warrior'...Absolutely no coincidence

[OdinTyler]

I remember a few lines in The Empire Strikes Back, going a lil something like this:

Luke: Im searching for a great warrior.
"Unknown" Midget: Yoda. You seek Yoda. Wars make not one great.

So one is left to PONDER ( http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif ), what does make a warrior great? We all know that our chars wont age, technically, & it doesnt exactly matter how old our chars 'get'. What matters more is what they are known for.

[PhruitBaskit]

Ponder, yes! http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif We all know our chars won't age (except for level). If age was in PSU, it would have been a big enough thing for ST to tell us about. Besides leveling is all the aging we'll ever need.

And a good point, It matters not how old our chars are, but what they're known for...very true!

[Blitzkommando]

If aging and, in turn, physically maturing were to be implemented, it certainly would have interresting results. However, could it just be that a person is very short, or very tall? Dwarfism and whatnot. Just because someone is short doesn't make them 'young'. The only way I can see this is if you input the character's 'starting age' at the character creation. But certainly this would cause some... interresting results, no? Wait a couple more years, more powerful hardware, better ways of accessing that hardware and we could very well see things like this in games at a very believable scale.

[OdinTyler]

PS has touched on age once before...in PSIII. It takes 3 generations of heroes & companions to complete that game. You also get to see how your father & grandfather (who were also you) age, as well as their wives & other relatives. I love that. That & the fact that you inherited your MOTHER'S hair color. Little details like that really fascinated me. Perhaps other such ones shall emerge in PSU.

[vox3om]

I have two quick questions about characters age for online play...are we able to select the age of the character? and is it still going to be 200levels like in GC version?

Oh and does anyone else think that instead of affecting stats maybe just a slight outward appearance change over time, a little like Zelda the Ocorina of Time...you start out as a child, but through the game and each level you gain there is just a slight difference that would become noticable after a while? I mean your character wouldn't be in a wheel chair at level 150 haha, but maybe in his 30's...I dont know, I wouldn't mind that. It would kind of add a visual affect to the leveling process.

[OdinTyler]

Idk how this topic got so popular. I really doubt age will play a factor in our chars. If it does, it does. Theres been no ST mention of it. Its crazy. The game's not even out yet & we're talking about retiring our guys! http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[PhruitBaskit]

Yeah, it does sound kind of stpid talking about our chars getting old and dying before the game even comes out. Right, there has been no mention from ST about it and, like I said if age was in PSU, it would have been a big enough thing for ST to have told us about by now. If aging was in PSU, I'm sure ST would have said something.

And as for how this topic got popular...I'm sure it's just because it was an interesting idea and a fun thing to talk about http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[ANIMEniac]

first we worry about getting old. then if the check room will give compount intrest, then hunters getting laid off because they are doing too much TTF and not helping people in the "real world." lol its funny that i use the term real world.

[OdinTyler]

Shouldnt hunters get thanked for TTF? I mean...massive monster killing is great for the planet (& one's pocket). http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif I especially got into the Nightmare qsts. Those were just nuckin futs!

[PhruitBaskit]

Yeah, I think Hunters deserve a little praise for TTF. Those' massive monster killings' are not only great for the planet and the pocket...They're great for fun http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Nightmare quests, definately pissed!

[ANIMEniac]

yea but TTF is Virtual Reality mission, whitch means its great training ant all but it doesent do JACK for the people actualy getting there face bussted on ragol for real. it is like what if all the soldiers sat around playing americas army forever, great practice but what you are really trying to fight is still out there.

[OdinTyler]

Not too far from the truth in game anyway. Think about it. Alot of soldiers you see are just standing around doing nothing, the occasional one wishing he could. Then, there are the bad ones like in the save Ult mission. Hunters came to be because well...most of the military in game is rather incompetent. We just do their dirty work for them...so its said.

[Dre_o]

Not that I really mind but, Holy Crap are we off topic!.

Ahem, anyways, back to the on topic, off topic. It would be interesting if by joining the military or what not, you could get some special missions or privaleges. But what would suck is if you had to be someone's lap dog. May bowing down burn in hades.

[PhruitBaskit]

Okay that just totally threw me off...Are you supposed to be on the thread topic, or on the topic that everyone else was on??? My simple mind is lost...JK

Yes if you get benefits from joining the army it would be pretty cool (special military missions would kick some serious ass) But are you talking in terms of on' or offline mode? If offline I think you're part of the 'Guardians', isn't that sort of military...A body guard organization. You say it would suck to be a lap dog (it would), but where would you get orders from? Unless you were just a soldier and you got the same orders as 1,000 other soldiers from some general guy...

[Nai_Calus]

Am I the only person in the universe bothered by the sight of a HUnewearl the size of a 10 year old with gigantic boobs swinging a sword nearly twice her size around like it was nothing? XP

It would be interesting if there was a size tradeoff in stats. Smaller characters would be weaker and maybe not able to carry really big weapons, but they'd be a lot more agile, and possibly faster. Whereas a bigger character would be stronger, but would be less agile and slower. XP

It'd even be vaguely realistic! Vaguely, anyway. Depends on your specializations. Obviously a mage-type will be weaker than a fighter-type, nevermind who's bigger. XP

[OdinTyler]

Yes, I think youre the only one. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Besides, applying age & now body measurements to affect stats would totally require a reworking of the in game system. This would delay the game much much more. Do you really want that? LOL

[Dre_o]

On 2005-11-05 20:03, OdinTyler wrote:
Yes, I think youre the only one. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Besides, applying age & now body measurements to affect stats would totally require a reworking of the in game system. This would delay the game much much more. Do you really want that? LOL



NO!!!!! AGHHHH!!!! EVIL THOUGHTS!!!!!!! shutter.... I would like things to be at least a LITTLE more balanced.

[OdinTyler]

One thing no one has thought to say, so, perhaps I should. If everyone wants to age their chars, heres what you do:

1. Make a char.
2. Play your char awhile.
3. Get bored & change your char's hair grey.
4. Instant age. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Dre_o]

On 2005-11-05 20:11, OdinTyler wrote:
One thing no one has thought to say, so, perhaps I should. If everyone wants to age their chars, heres what you do:

1. Make a char.
2. Play your char awhile.
3. Get bored & change your char's hair grey.
4. Instant age. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



Ahhh... but what about age and wiseness? Hmm? Or Yoda type power? No way you can replace that.

[OdinTyler]

If I age my char with grey hair, trust me: he/she has gained wisdom for I the player have gained wisdom within...

[Dre_o]

On 2005-11-05 20:17, OdinTyler wrote:
If I age my char with grey hair, trust me: he/she has gained wisdom for I the player have gained wisdom within...


Indeed, but none of that matters if your character doesn't have the wisdom to put your new wisdom to good use? What if he/she just changed his/her hair? They wouldn't gain anything from that.

[OdinTyler]

Do I have to spell it out? Its symbolism for what I the player have learned about the game. As I learn, my char 'learns', right? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Rion772]

If the characters age at all, they won't age much so why does it even matter???

[PhruitBaskit]

If the characters age at all, they won't age much so why does it even matter???

I don't think it really does. And you're right, there's no way that your youthful level one Human will turn into a wrinkly hunch-back by level 190 http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Rion772]

I don't think he literally meant this topic was getting old, I think he meant it's pretty ridiculous mainly because it's been said that it wouldn't even matter if your character did age. Also ST could NEVER do that because some players will play 2,000 hours and if it's not real time and you play more than 2,000 hours your character would die and you would need to start everything over.

[OdinTyler]

On 2005-11-08 14:49, Dre_o wrote:
Finally I am able to agree with Odin and Baskit, age can be forgotten and tossed aside. THE ONLY reason it can be in is if exists in some way I havn't thought of.



Means he cant win going against us. Better to join us, right Dre? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Rion772]

Seriously it doesn't matter, ST won't make your character get old, it's an impossibility. If they wanted it realistic and made your character age I'm sure someone would get their character to be an old man then he would either stop aging or die which would be messed up either way. ST wouldn't do that to us or they would have a lot of angry revolting fans rejecting their games.

[OdinTyler]

The one form of character death I hope doesnt leak into PSU is one we can all agree on: character corruption. Im sure a few of you experienced this, as have I. Just hope it doesnt happen. That & please make it so we cant easily delete our chars. Ive kinda done that before too. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif Separate screen for that I hope.

[Dre_o]

On 2005-11-08 15:14, OdinTyler wrote:


On 2005-11-08 14:49, Dre_o wrote:
Finally I am able to agree with Odin and Baskit, age can be forgotten and tossed aside. THE ONLY reason it can be in is if exists in some way I havn't thought of.



Means he cant win going against us. Better to join us, right Dre? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Now I'm not even going to get started on this (We already got a topic locked for this and I'm sorry to who ever we annoyed) but yes, corruption is bad. It annoys those of us who don't have and altered weapons or mags. And yes, getting old and dying would have mobs of angery people.

[OdinTyler]

I just had a thought that as far as Im concerned, is related to the topic. Remember the cryogenic looking chambers from the guild qsts? Anyone wonder about those? If theyre for just raising a creature or keeping it in stasis? They didnt expand too much on these chambers. I always liked the look of them, hope to see em return again. We know our chars probably wont be aging anytime soon, but, chars (for purposes of the story) need sleep. Will we be able to actually get into bed & nap or will it be like Animal Crossing where we throw our limp body on the bed & just lay there? LOL