Is it really impossible to get the Dark Flow?

[AgitoTH]

I've looked up the Dark flow and it is labled unobtainable.... but yet I see pictures of players with the sword.... did they cheat to get it?

[AgitoTH]

My bad I forgot about the rule not to post about these types of weapons... sorry

[whiteninja]

No... it'd be against the rules to ask how to go about getting one by cheating. But there is a Sticky with the info about it.

Yes, anyone you see with a Dark Flow, Meteor, or Bridge either hacked it, or accepted it from someone who hacked it, or duped it off a hack.

All Parasitic Gene: FLOW's and the weapons that make them, originate from a hack.

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[Ryna]

On 2005-11-29 19:13, AgitoTH wrote:
My bad I forgot about the rule not to post about these types of weapons... sorry


To make the Dark Flow, you need the Parasite Gene Flow, which is currently unobtainable. Various people have hacked the Gene Flow into existence and used it to make weapons like the Dark Flow.

Anyways, your question did not violate any forum rules. If you were asking about a specific cheat code or method for cheating, that would be a different story.

[zwandude15]

I have an opposition to the fact that there is no Parasitic Gene. The weapon itself is SHOWN in the game, NO HACKER can put code into the game to "make" the Dark Flow. The weapon is there. It can't just be hacked, it MUST be obtainable. I play only offline, and my friend Action Replayed that stupid Gene (my god his cheating....ughhh). Now, assuming HACKERS put it into the game, the game has to do something with that info, and i REALLY, REALLY dont think its 'unobtainable'. The weapon is THERE! I can't stress that sentence enough. The weapon is real, when you equip it, it shows on screen, there is an image, it has a special that works, and its has its own limits. The Dark Flow seems like a perfectly legitimate weapon! Although a seemingly impossible find, yes, but the PSO guide for dreamcast i believe, stated that all section ID's have a ? chance of finding the gene. This doesn't mean everyone should be against finding it! again, i have to say this...the weapon is THERE! the game has it in its database. I wanna hear from other people about what they think as well. I don't care if you think what i just said is bogus, flame it up, i dont care. Lets hear some opinions...

My edit is this: I have no Dark Flow, I have however used one (multiplayer, friends character, weapon, everything). I strongly dislike the use of cheated (in this case AR'ed) weapons, and would never resort to using one in any matter.

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[ForceOfBrokenGlass]

The Parasitic Gene "Flow" is as much there as "Al Rappy" Mag Slot items and the ???? item boxes. They just weren't created for the purpose of being used by players under normal circumstances. Therefor they are not obtainable by natural means.

Who knows, maybe Sonic team had plans to release it, maybe they didn't. The fact is Yes, it's there but it's not obtainable without some outside help.

[Delfi]

Jeezus webs people... its simple...

Sonic team put the Gene:FLOW in the games code - ok ?
They made it an ONLINE ONLY FIND -from olga or dark falz dont remember which - ok?
They then made the Drop Rate for it - ok?

Then for them 2 bosses they gave them a 0 Drop Anything Rate - ok?

So how on earth do you expect to get it without cheating from an enemy with a 0 DAR ??

[zwandude15]

The Gene isn't only obtainable online though, i mean, as i said before, its been brought out offline, so there must be some type of possibility. A 0% DAR seems probable, but this might just be drawn from an EXTREMELY small number.

As opposed to my OWN point of view, lets see this from yours. By what you say when you claim this can only be obtainable online, you say the weapon is there in the database, ITS ON THE GAME, and what you're saying is, there's no legitimate way to get it, UNTIL sonic team releases it, correct?

Now, please, take this however you like, but to be totally, and brutally honest, Sonic Team's a little late to the parade. With PSU's release, many people will stop playing the game (not me though, =]) and i think if they were going to release it (assuming you're correct...) they would have done it by now... The whole idea sounds a bit bogus to me, but maybe sonic team isn't releasing it, because its already released. Perhaps there is a legitimate way to find a parasitic gene, can you consider this? Or PERHAPS, since people have artificially brought it out, that's the only way to get one.......a sad way to think, but just think about it.

[Delfi]

zwandude15 - you are right - when you say its a sad way to think but thats the way it is i am afraid and you are furthermore right when you say sonic team are too late to the parade - its looking like they will never bother to release it, for reasons that only they know.

If it had been released im sure people wuold have found it by now and those that have not found it would have heard about some1 finding it.

[Neith]

Parasitic Gene: 'Flow' drops from Ultimate Olga Flow, for any ID. The reason all Genes and Dark Weapons are hacks is because the drop has not been enabled (Dark Falz and Olga Flow have a 0% DAR)

I honestly can't see ST releasing it now, especially after how much it's been duped/hacked.

[zwandude15]

Hmmm, that 0% DAR...i just cant stick it to myself. I assume the posters here already have read each post carefully, but can anyone give me some more info on the ?% DAR mentioned in the DC PSO guide for the Parasitic Gene? Maybe disproves, or anything in that nature.....as i have never personally played PSO long enough to know it was out on DC, and that guide is long past extinct. I was only introduced to the game a few years back, so please, anyone with info, post some news about this guide article...


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[Caecilius]

LONG time since I posted here last, just in case anybody thinks "Who?"

Just want to make a very brief observation here, 0% can mean anywhere between -0.5% and 0.5%. In theory at least, there is all likelihood that something set at 0% may just happen. Basic upper-and-lower-bounds mathematics tells us that much.

[Corey]

On 2005-12-12 13:09, Caecilius wrote:
LONG time since I posted here last, just in case anybody thinks "Who?"

Just want to make a very brief observation here, 0% can mean anywhere between -0.5% and 0.5%. In theory at least, there is all likelihood that something set at 0% may just happen. Basic upper-and-lower-bounds mathematics tells us that much.


I'm pretty sure that we've said there is NO drop to make it clear that it's NOT 0.x, but zero.



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[zwandude15]

So there is chance! Someone agrees! xD

[Superguppie]

On 2005-12-12 13:09, Caecilius wrote:
LONG time since I posted here last, just in case anybody thinks "Who?"

Just want to make a very brief observation here, 0% can mean anywhere between -0.5% and 0.5%. In theory at least, there is all likelihood that something set at 0% may just happen. Basic upper-and-lower-bounds mathematics tells us that much.


Odd post from someone who doesn't believe in luck and chance....

[Caecilius]

I'll maintain that stance by reminding you that probability and error-bounds are largely quite apart...

[Corey]

look, if flow could drop parasitic gene than the AR code that modifies drop rates would make it drop..


It doesn't.

The drop anything rate is 0.0000000000000000000000000 and add how many zeros you want because there's no other number after that decimal OTHER than zero

[Superguppie]

The 'margin for errors' is the room for probability. In fact, the notion of such a margin IS from the science of probability. A total determinist does not have these margins, since they break down determinism.
If you really want to use this, I think it is safe to say that the margin for error in PSO is beyond the accuracy of our computers' mathematical libraries. In short, this zero is a real zero within the system that uses it.

[Maridia]

On 2005-12-13 13:58, Corey wrote:
look, if flow could drop parasitic gene than the AR code that modifies drop rates would make it drop..


It doesn't.

The drop anything rate is 0.0000000000000000000000000 and add how many zeros you want because there's no other number after that decimal OTHER than zero



That's a good point. Isn't that code supposed to make anything with any rate above 0 drop? If it doesn't drop with that on, but everything else does, I think that answers your question. Sorry, dude, just give it up. They're not available.

[Phazer]

No offense but the majority of you are very dense. Why cant you believe its real? What if the drop rate is so insignificant that no one has found it legit yet? Maby Sonic Team HAS releasde it and people Have found it legit, they may have thought they were with hackers when it droped when they actually got the kill. Remember with the Yahoo cup, how the drop rates were temporarily increased for some teams, there is another possible answer: Drop rates were possibly increased enough for someone to get it as a drop legit. If someone can show me the physical code making the drop rate 0 than i will believe it. There is no way you can say and be absolutely sure the drop rate is 0 unless you have seen the game code.

My main theroy still stands: the drop rates are so insignificant that no 1 has fount it yet.
My prediction is that the drop rate is:
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 001
Or some outrageously low droprate.




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[Getintothegame]

Because we've got data ripped direct from the disk that shows that it is at 0 and cannot change.

[zandra117]

just because the drop rate is 0 doesn't mean you cant get it. If you get it from an NPC it doesnt drop does it. My theory is you beat Olga Flow in offline singleplayer on ultimate with a red weapon. Then use a lavis cannon to kill yourself after the boss is defeated so you don't activate the credits. Then you take a pipe back down to the seabed and go through the boss teleporter. Then Flowen will be in the middle of the room. he won't dissapear because you are on offline singleplayer. Talk to him and he'll give you the parasitic gene.

[Dhylec]

zandra117 wrote:
just because the drop rate is 0 doesn't mean you cant get it. If you get it from an NPC it doesnt drop does it.

Well, that's very optimistic of you. But if the % is programed to 100 for 'always drop', then 0 means nothing will drop. Programming is a complicated thing, but it still has to flow human logics somehow. ;]


My theory is you beat Olga Flow in offline singleplayer on ultimate with a red weapon. Then use a lavis cannon to kill yourself after the boss is defeated so you don't activate the credits. Then you take a pipe back down to the seabed and go through the boss teleporter. Then Flowen will be in the middle of the room. he won't dissapear because you are on offline singleplayer. Talk to him and he'll give you the parasitic gene.

Have you tried this theory? Does anyone you know tried this method & worked?

[EJ]

On 2006-01-17 07:39, Dhylec wrote:


zandra117 wrote:
just because the drop rate is 0 doesn't mean you cant get it. If you get it from an NPC it doesnt drop does it.

Well, that's very optimistic of you. But if the % is programed to 100 for 'always drop', then 0 means nothing will drop. Programming is a complicated thing, but it still has to flow human logics somehow. ;]


My theory is you beat Olga Flow in offline singleplayer on ultimate with a red weapon. Then use a lavis cannon to kill yourself after the boss is defeated so you don't activate the credits. Then you take a pipe back down to the seabed and go through the boss teleporter. Then Flowen will be in the middle of the room. he won't dissapear because you are on offline singleplayer. Talk to him and he'll give you the parasitic gene.

Have you tried this theory? Does anyone you know tried this method & worked?


I have try that before with my fomar and yes you will see Flowen but he will just disappear. I really think the gene and red ring will be release on BB probably but not on cube.

[KodiaX987]

On 2006-01-06 16:43, Phazer wrote:
No offense but the majority of you are very dense.
Yes offense. (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=77338&forum=11) As per my vow, I am now obligated to frag you. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif


Why cant you believe its real?
Because it isn't.


What if the drop rate is so insignificant that no one has found it legit yet?
No one has found it because the drop rate is zero. Zero does not equal 0.5. Zero does not equal -0.5. Zero equals zero, always equals zero, and will always equal zero no matter what even God could attempt to change that.


Maby Sonic Team HAS releasde it and people Have found it legit, they may have thought they were with hackers when it droped when they actually got the kill. Remember with the Yahoo cup, how the drop rates were temporarily increased for some teams, there is another possible answer: Drop rates were possibly increased enough for someone to get it as a drop legit. If someone can show me the physical code making the drop rate 0 than i will believe it. There is no way you can say and be absolutely sure the drop rate is 0 unless you have seen the game code.

My main theroy still stands: the drop rates are so insignificant that no 1 has fount it yet.
My prediction is that the drop rate is:
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 001
Or some outrageously low droprate.

While I ain't an official Sega employee (and releasing the source code anyway would get me one big fine and maybe some jailtime), I can always refer you to here (http://boards.sega.com/psobb/search.php?mode=results), here (http://boards.sega.com/psobb/viewtopic.php?t=50423&highlight=dark+flow), here (http://boards.sega.com/psobb/viewtopic.php?t=41541&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=dark+flow&start=0), here (http://boards.sega.com/psobb/viewtopic.php?t=21215&highlight=dark+flow) and here (http://www.pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=1173). Strange! Plenty of people say the drop rate is 0/64! Not 0/65, not 0/63, but 0/64! What kind of crazy communist conspiracy is this to have so many people put the drop rate as a fraction of 64?

In the entire of history of PSO:BB in the entire world, no one has ever found the item. Ever. Put all the people together, that makes for several tens of thousand hours of play. And not one person found it. And no one ever will.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Shuri, secret's out.

Sonic Team did all of this on purpose.

You know, intentionally.

All this playing, researching, and people who won't believe it until they don't see it themselves have certainly given PSO & ST plenty of money.

I've yet to hear such an ongoing conspiracy theory type event concerning one in game item for any game besides PSO Episode 1 & 2, EVER.

And since the first week of GC online we've all known that it doesn't make such great items anyway. Example being Dark Flow can't combo.

[Zelutos]

On 2006-01-17 07:39, Dhylec wrote:


zandra117 wrote:
just because the drop rate is 0 doesn't mean you cant get it. If you get it from an NPC it doesnt drop does it.

Well, that's very optimistic of you. But if the % is programed to 100 for 'always drop', then 0 means nothing will drop. Programming is a complicated thing, but it still has to flow human logics somehow. ;]


My theory is you beat Olga Flow in offline singleplayer on ultimate with a red weapon. Then use a lavis cannon to kill yourself after the boss is defeated so you don't activate the credits. Then you take a pipe back down to the seabed and go through the boss teleporter. Then Flowen will be in the middle of the room. he won't dissapear because you are on offline singleplayer. Talk to him and he'll give you the parasitic gene.

Have you tried this theory? Does anyone you know tried this method & worked?



I can tell you it doesn't work. I did the same thing with another weapon and i had HP draining armour on. Nothing. Trust me, you CAN'T get it unless you cheat
or get it from a cheater.

GIVE IT UP.

[DLShAdOw]

I don't exaxtly think that the dar for the gene is 0% but instead it is -% as in the code is there but it is unobtainable.

[KodiaX987]

OK. Tell us how a droprate, a probability, can be negative.

[littleman2347]

is it posible to ubtain with out the poatch on offline just dont play online till you get it.

[Ketchup345]

No. The game disk says 0%. Nothing can change the disk.
And the game does not patch for GC.

[Forte1224]

In other words, ST is evil.

[Zelutos]

On 2006-01-18 20:11, Forte1224 wrote:
In other words, ST is evil.



Well i really don't see what's so special about the weapons that they are unattainable. Maybe they will be some really uber are super strong, kinda shiney weapons on PSU and they wanted to keep them a secret until then?

[littleman2347]

well thta sucks then why is the we p even in the game but there is a thing you can do you can import it from another pso game that use to have it my good friend did that but its complicated.(i think.......)

[Corey]

On 2006-01-18 19:16, Ketchup345 wrote:
No. The game disk says 0%. Nothing can change the disk.
And the game does not patch for GC.


They can patch GC, but not to the extent of enabling the drop. It's very limited; I believe to date they've only patched one thing.

[EJ]

On 2006-01-19 04:29, littleman2347 wrote:
well thta sucks then why is the we p even in the game but there is a thing you can do you can import it from another pso game that use to have it my good friend did that but its complicated.(i think.......)


It was probably plan for release in a future quest like the red ring but since people were too impatience and hacked the item before it was release offically ST probably said to themselves screw it since everyone probably has one already.

[DLShAdOw]

On 2006-01-18 18:59, KodiaX987 wrote:
OK. Tell us how a droprate, a probability, can be negative.



sorry for being confusing i meant --% that or something like a number could be put in later but right now it's non-existent therefore it doesn't drop.

[Ryan1133]

I bet ST would of made it avalible if everone hadent haked one its all the dirty hakers witch made it not avalible to anyone else



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[ForceOfBrokenGlass]

On 2006-01-24 13:50, Ryan1133 wrote:
I bet ST would of made it avalible if everone hadent haked one its all the dirty hakers witch made it not avalible to anyone else



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THat's one speculation on the matter but at this point all we know is, Parasitic Gene: FLOW will never drop and ST will not release it. Let it go, PGF and the weapons yielded by it aren't all that fabulous or special anyway.

[Ladriachan]

omg im posting XD

you guys do know the first few months the xbox version was out that it DID have a droprate that wasn't 0% but was later changed when they patched the game (they forgot about it as well as a couple glitches.. whoopsie.) just thought I'd give my PoV on that since I've actually seen it drop. Ok im going to sleep now.. evil bawls keeping me awake ><

[Scopes]

Yeah, Dark Flow is not normally attainable, and even if it was (I think ST jsut threw it in there lookin pretty to piss people off). Seeing as 1) It can't combo 2) 's slow as hell 3) Seeing as to use the sorta' good special, you need to be at 1/10 max hp, which if you ARE using it, you're obviouslly being mobbed, and in which case, yer screwed. Get a black king bar instead.

[Superguppie]

The main purpose of the Dark weapons is not being good. Their purpose is the same for Ep1 as the Red weapons' purpose for Ep2. They are to give you the last thing in the story.
Red weapons make you see Flowens spirit after defeating Olga Flow. Dark weapons make you see Ricos spirit after defeating Falz. I still consider these events the real endings of Ep1&2. And the Ep1 ending, thanks to the cheaters (that keep claiming they are not harming me!) I will never get to see.

It's all academic now, since I canceled my PSO-BB account yesterday, and will definitely not be online with GC ever again. Sufficient to say I have one more game on the stack of 'never will finish'. Only this time it is not because I lost interest, or because there are too many other games. It's because the end will never come.

[Rain_The_Merc]

Okay all this fighting making me wanna kill something...
The point is the Dark Flow etc. are there thanks to modders. ST took too long and some people got tired of waiting so they decided to do it themselves. It is just like if ST did it except unofficially. No I don't mod I'm 100% legit and I regret ever asking for a mag when I was a noob cuz that hacked me, but I can't deny the fact that modders did us a favor by making those weps accesible. Ok. Now stop fighting and help me find a Flame Garment. LOL!

[Rain_The_Merc]

On 2006-02-13 22:38, Rain_The_Merc wrote:
Okay all this fighting making me wanna kill something...
The point is the Dark Flow etc. are there thanks to modders. ST took too long and some people got tired of waiting so they decided to do it themselves. It is just like if ST did it except unofficially. No I don't mod I'm 100% legit and I regret ever asking for a mag when I was a noob cuz that hacked me, but I can't deny the fact that modders did us a favor by making those weps accesible. Ok. Now stop fighting and help me find a Flame Garment. LOL!


Never mind I got a flame garment LoL!