New Arties

[Sha Sha]

This is of a random character i made up while trying to sketch out a pose for EJs FOmar *since he won my contest*
http://i2.tinypic.com/qs8m51.jpg
*btw it looks WAY better in a different file type*
he took 3-4 hours in Corel Painter 9

[Sgt_Shligger]

That's a guy... um was he ment to be so girly... wait FOmars ARE girly so thats why it looks like that. nice job though the wings look a little flat... curving them in or out would change that but otherwise nice job.

[EJ]

On 2006-03-06 13:18, SgtShligger wrote:
That's a guy... um was he ment to be so girly... wait FOmars ARE girly so thats why it looks like that. nice job though the wings look a little flat... curving them in or out would change that but otherwise nice job.


No we not, we just like wearing robes. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

I like how he looks but the wings look a little flat maybe give them some shading to make them pop out.

But otherwise good job.

[Sgt_Shligger]

look it's a dress NOT a robe. Also no offense but that is not a guys outfit... we all know wheree he got that outfit......... good job though.


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[Sha Sha]

Well They arent really wings...There..just there for no reason XD

[LadyRedComet]

How do those pants stay up? o.O

[Xaeris]

Starch. Lots of starch.

[Sgt_Shligger]

he is wearing make-up... just like a Fomar.

[ladyjaderiver]

*sigh*

I don't want to come off as sounding harsh here, but please find some resources on male anatomy. True, there are really girly-men out there (I love girly-men, I would know), girly-men are not women with no boobs. Anatomy books are fairly inexpensive, so I suggest you try to get at least one. (I got one called Cyclopedia Anatomica or something for $10 - hardcover and over 1000 pages.)

Second, start looking at what clothes actually look like. Think about what kind of fabrics the clothes would be made from, and if the construction of the clothes is feasible.

The pants you've given this guy would fall right off. Not to mention they would not be sexy low-riders in the least, because if you turn him around, you'd see a something along the lines of a stereotypical plumber if you know what I mean. The pants he's wearing can't be tight, because they're practically hanging off of him anyway. Try to get into the mind of your characters when you design their outfits. Think to yourself, "If I were [insert character here] would I willingly wear stuff like this?" In this guy's case, "If I were him, would I willingly wear pants that show off half my butt to the world?"

Also, you seem to be showing way too much detail through his shirt, unless it's supposed to be semi-transparent, but you've given no indication that it is. To give the effect you have, the only material I could come up with for his shirt to be made from is chiffon or georgette, and he would never be able to get the shirt on if it were made from either of those (they don't stretch). It's fine to show the collar bone through someone's shirt, or even their muscles if they're well-mucled (which, aside from that, this guy is not), but do it in a thinner line - it should not draw my eye immediately, because that's generally not the most important part of a character.

Another thing: Work on your perspective. The aqua wing things are a very neat addition, but not when they look like they're just pasted on the background behind him. They're turned in a completely different direction from the guy it seems they're supposed to be attached to! And if they were attached to him, his hair would be behind them, not in front. Throwing in things like that at the end without adjusting for them is not a good thing. Plan your characters with detailed sketches before you do full-colour pictures of them.

Like most beginner artists, you've got faces and hair down great, but haven't practiced bodies, anatomy and clothing enough. Just practice some more, and use a lot of references, and you should be able to do great artwork in the future.

[Sha Sha]

*crys*

[ladyjaderiver]

Look, again, not to sound harsh, but if you can't handle an honest-to-god critique, why did you post your artwork online to begin with? You should take it as a compliment that anyone is trying to help you. It doesn't mean that you suck and should give up - on the contrary, it means you have great potential and I want to see you improve.

[Ancient]

There there, dont take it to hard. Us art school types like LadyJadeRiver and myself might sounds a little harsh sometime. But its only because we get him upside the head with this same stuff from our prof's everyday. And trust me, some of them have far less tact than that. One teacher here will crumple your stuff up and throw it away in a critique if he doesnt like it.
I agree with what LadyJade River said about your stuff though. You have a lot of promiss, and a little bit of formal anatomy and clothing study would really strengthen your work.

[CupOfCoffee]

Heh, don't cry. Rejoice! You've just recieved some grade-A pointers from someone who knows the score. You may feel embarrassed now, especially if you aren't used to recieving constructive critsism, but it will only help you grow. In the long run, you'll get lightyears further with honest feedback than you would without it.

[ladyjaderiver]

On 2006-03-06 18:44, Ancient wrote:
There there, dont take it to hard. Us art school types like LadyJadeRiver and myself might sounds a little harsh sometime. But its only because we get him upside the head with this same stuff from our prof's everyday. And trust me, some of them have far less tact than that. One teacher here will crumple your stuff up and throw it away in a critique if he doesnt like it.



Tsukuyo, if it's any consolation, I've been told point-blank (by one of my favourite teachers, no less) "That piece sucks. You could do better. You have two days to redo it." That's the only critique that ever made me cry. But you know what I did? I cried for all of two minutes, realized how stupid I was being. Then I redid it, and it was much better than before.

[Sha Sha]

I really cant learn I need to see itbeing done in front of me
To make things worst I have just been dionoged with visual dyslexia. And I cant retian Info that well...
I guess u can say im a worhtless human AND artist

[ladyjaderiver]

On 2006-03-06 19:40, Tsukuyo wrote:
I really cant learn I need to see itbeing done in front of me
To make things worst I have just been dionoged with visual dyslexia. And I cant retian Info that well...
I guess u can say im a worhtless human AND artist



You need to learn to overcome your challenges rather than whine about them. If you can't learn without seeing it done in front of you, get someone to model for you, or take a class (if possible, a one-on-one class). There are ways to get around all kinds of difficulties, if you only want to. ^_^

You are not worthless. If one critique has made you question your existance/worth, then, well, I don't know what to say to that, except try getting a thicker skin.

[Sayara]

The only major concern i see here is the dudes lower body. Do you think it makes sense to get such a shrunken torso like so? Chest to pelvis? Man needs a gut!

Know an even easier way to learn anatomy, and CHEAP? Go to the pool, or find men swimsuit pages of catalogues. It gives good ideas of how to work, and not be spoon fed everything. If you prefer that way.



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[DamonKatu]

On 2006-03-06 18:37, Tsukuyo wrote:
*crys*



*hugs* its ok. I still think your art's cool.

[Ancient]

Actually if it hard for you to learn from pictures and/or text, due to dislexia (I'm slightly dislexic too) Then you can try looking in your local art store for some small anatomy maniquins, or even try getting some action figures. Although most action figures are pretty poor, anatomically speaking, there are some well made ones out there.

Dislexics UNTIE!

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[Sha Sha]

<-_-> Meh and i sorta like my werid anerexic (spelling?????) figured guys that have no hips and stuff...its MY style

[RicoRoyal]

No way that thing you drew can be a guy. Why? Simple.

PENIS

Those pants and lower body allow for one the size of a toe nail clipping.

[CupOfCoffee]

On 2006-03-06 22:59, Tsukuyo wrote:
<-_-> Meh and i sorta like my werid anerexic (spelling?????) figured guys that have no hips and stuff...its MY style


And I think that's legitimate. Arists are allowed to have personal styles that sometimes bend the laws of physics or what is normal. The only reason I'd suggest you change it a little is because to me, this image strikes me as foreplay in an all-guy anime porno, if you get what I mean. He doesn't seem like a normal, everyday character so much as a fetishistic sex toy (with no room for a penis http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif).

then again, like you said, it's your style.

[ladyjaderiver]

On 2006-03-07 04:34, CupOfCoffee wrote:


On 2006-03-06 22:59, Tsukuyo wrote:
<-_-> Meh and i sorta like my werid anerexic (spelling?????) figured guys that have no hips and stuff...its MY style


And I think that's legitimate. Arists are allowed to have personal styles that sometimes bend the laws of physics or what is normal. The only reason I'd suggest you change it a little is because to me, this image strikes me as foreplay in an all-guy anime porno, if you get what I mean. He doesn't seem like a normal, everyday character so much as a fetishistic sex toy (with no room for a penis http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif).

then again, like you said, it's your style.



That's what it comes across as to me, too. In itself that's not a bad thing, I suppose (what? I happen to like guy-on-guy anime), but then you have to realize that there are thousands of other people drawing almost exactly that same thing because they want to draw something "cute" and "sexy" but can't be bothered to actually learn anatomy before they draw.

I will freely admit I started drawing men that same way. When I started, I was far more familiar with a female's body (being a girl), so I drew men pretty much the same way I drew women. I got made fun of a LOT by one of my teachers when I first came to art school, and I've since learned anatomy (luckily, most of our life drawing models at school were male), and my drawings and male characters are much better off for it.

And come on, I love the almost anorexic looking really girly, pretty boys, too. But I like them to be boys, not eunuchs.

[LadyRedComet]

I love how every time someone gets bad anatomy or proportioning pointed out to them and gets a suggestion to work on it, first they cry and make up excuses, and then they revert to the now-standard "It's MY STYLE!" whine. If you don't want any criticism, then say so or you will get suggestions and/or pointers from the actual art students around here. Actually, when you get right down to it, the easiest way to not get your feelings hurt is to not post your artwork online, or at least not in 'public' places.

I honestly don't know why I am bothering to say this, but your behavior really bothers me. I'm sensitive about my artwork, too. Do you see any of it posted here? Anything I do doesn't even make it into my deviantArt account without the standard "critique discouraged" disclaimer. It really is that easy to let people know you're not interested in advice or improvement.

Be it from the knowledge (like in my case) that you are no art student and never will be, and that any advice given will likely go right over your head, or from the stubborn belief that your style is your style and problems within it (anatomy or clothing design, for example) should not be criticized or pointed out. The reasons don't really matter. If you put such a disclaimer on your work, you have a better chance that people will respect your wishes not to be critiqued. You'll look childish, but sometimes that's the best choice.

[Sha Sha]

I have the mental of a gym sock, but hey anyone who can teach me is welcome to try to find me XD or make little notes or something :ninja:

[ladyjaderiver]

If you want, when I get home from class, I will draw over this where you need to change things. Honestly, there's not a lot that you need to completely change - a few small adjustments will fix the rest. I've done that before for other people, and I tend to be more helpful when I show what I mean rather than try to explain it.

[KaFKa]

On 2006-03-06 19:40, Tsukuyo wrote:
I really cant learn I need to see itbeing done in front of me
If you keep thinking like this you wont be able to learn. Your a better artist than I am (by leaps and bounds) and you didn't get to where you are magically. You learned, wether it be from yourself through practice or watching anime or something. So stop telling yourself that you cant.


To make things worst I have just been dionoged with visual dyslexia. And I cant retian Info that well...
I guess u can say im a worhtless human AND artist

Okay, so you have some kind of disorder. Its only going to affect you if you let it. Dont use a mental disorder you have (I've got a few, that i didnt even know about until recently.) as an excuse not to try.

[Sgt_Shligger]

You shouldn't get so down on yourself about it. I learned all my skills from the internet and books. I could critique myself because i watch lot'sa anime. It's easy when you get the hang of it. I am not the baest artist in the world either but i allow people to critique and do it with an open mind so i realize i am not being made fun of but being helped.