Spread N. or Gi Gue Bazooka for Boss Battles

[Eulogy21]

I currently replaced my Red Scorpio with the Spread Needle once I found it does more damage with quicker battle animation. I would like to know if it's worth hunting the Gi Gue body for EPI Boss Battles if I already have the Spread Needle.

[Zarbolord]

It depends on your tactics... I'd say that it's worth it for the multi hits, but not dark falz. Good luck finding it too... *go FOmars!*

[GrumblyStuff]

Hrm. It depends. Do you have a really good slicer? A good slicer can hit more body parts than a Gi-gue Bazooka and it will combo; Gi-gue Bazooka does not combo. But generally, Spread Needle > GGB

[Eulogy21]

That is a very good point, I forgot that the G.G.B. does not combo. I might still get the G.G.B. so I can mess around with it if I want to. I plan on getting a Rainbow Baton soon, but I suppose I'll just stick with the trusty Spread.

[GrumblyStuff]

GGB is fun though and worth finding IMHO although, I mostly use it for shooting boxes. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

But seriously, it's really, really, really good against Recons since you don't need to worry about having all of them in front of you. Just run up to a Recobox and start shooting hard shots. If any Recons try to get at you, they'll get hit and oh boy, does GGB hit hard (a hundred more ATP than a fully ground Yasminkov 3000R IIRC; the yas grinds to 60 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif).

[Hrith]

Slicers, rly.

[DoubleJG]

Personally I like the GGB. The reason why is probably because Ive never had a Spread Needle before XD

[DonRoyale]

Depends on the boss.

Dragon=GGB
Del Rol Le=Spread Needle (but go with a slicer like Red Slicer instead)
Vol Opt Form 1=Spread Needle
Vol Opt Form 2=GGB
Dark Falz=GGB
Barba Ray=SN/Slicer
Gol Dragon=GGB until he splits, then SN
Gal Gryphon=GGB
Olga Flow=GGB

They're both good, but SN's special is useless unless you're against Darvants or Gael/Giel, so go wtih GGB most of the time unless you're in a tight spot, then use Spread Needle for qucikness.

[PJ]

Gi-Gue Bazooka's effectiveness only increases when Gol Dragon splits >_> <_< http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[GrumblyStuff]

Dragon=GGB - Meh. I'll take a good slicer (aiming towards the head from behind one of the feet), Baranz Launcher, or SN (because comboing increases the accuracy of the later shots). But I am curious and will try it later.
Del Rol Le=Spread Needle (but go with a slicer like Red Slicer instead) - Definitely go with a slicer. I do wonder if GGB could hit more sections than SN if you shoot at it's center (oppose to the head).
Vol Opt Form 1=Spread Needle - ...mechgun....
Vol Opt Form 2=GGB - Meh. GGB will only be able to hit 5 sections so it won't have much of an advantage (unless you got so little ATP that only GGB will damage it).
Dark Falz=GGB - ¬_¬ Gush/Charge/Berserk Laser/Mechgun.
Barba Ray=SN/Slicer - Definitely. It doesn't spend enough time on the platform to get your worth out of GGB.
Gol Dragon=GGB until he splits, then SN - Hrm. No comment. I tend to avoid Spaceship.
Gal Gryphon=GGB - Rifle... but GGB should work nicely.
Olga Flow=GGB - Does it have multiple sections to hit? If not, rifle/mechgun.

[Jarek]

Spread needle cannot hit the dragon once its taken flight; gi gue bazooka can.
Same with gol dragon.
Same with gal gryphon.

But a spread needle can take care of vol opt's 1st form screens with ease--just stunlock it.

[sprky585]

yeah it really just depends on the way u like to play, i would choose the SN jsut cuz it hits multi enimies and combos and is a fast attack, but its up to u http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[GrumblyStuff]

On 2006-05-13 16:58, psobsesser wrote:
Spread needle cannot hit the dragon once its taken flight; gi gue bazooka can.
Same with gol dragon.
Same with gal gryphon.
Touche. But that's what the Frozen Shooter special is for. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[whiteninja]

My Ramarl can kill the Dragon in Normal in a single attack with her 90/90/0/90 GGB.

Do that with a Needle? I think not! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[GrumblyStuff]

¬_¬

I'm sure at the level your character can do that, a SN with similar stats could probably do the same with a full combo. Advantage where?

[whiteninja]

On 2006-05-13 23:14, GrumblyStuff wrote:
¬_¬

I'm sure at the level your character can do that, a SN with similar stats could probably do the same with a full combo. Advantage where?

Wow, whiteninja! That is extrodinarily 1337! I wish I could be as cool as you. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Fixed. ;o

[PJ]

WN... >_>:

Although, a Spread Needle probably wouldn't kill him in a combo, cause he'd fall down first http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Dana]

It really depends on the boss imho.

Dragon, any weapon kills it fast http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Just need an FS, or Pierce weapon to hit it down. (well, helps >_>)
Del rol lie: Needle?
Vol opt stage 1: Mechs?
Vol opt 2: Needle?
Falz: Mechs?
Barba Ray: needle?
Gol Dragon: Well, i dont really know personally for this, but i'll say Needle again >_>
Gal: Mechs/Pierce weapon?
Olga: Yas, Rage, GM? Shorter range mechs are annoying for first stage imo

Thats just my opinion, i think all you need is, a nice pair of mechs, and a needle http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[PSOPRINCE]

i tihnk the bazooka is rubbish becuase it doesnt combo, and the sprread hits multiple areas doing loads of damage

oh and yuo are lucky to even find a spread as the gigoo is eeven harder

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[GrumblyStuff]

PSOPRINCE, have you used either weapon?

[PSOPRINCE]

On 2006-05-15 09:18, GrumblyStuff wrote:
PSOPRINCE, have you used either weapon?


no alas they be too hard to find for the yonder weekend gamer

[GrumblyStuff]

So... why are you stating your opinion for something you don't know?

[PSOPRINCE]

hmm suppose but shots should do more damage shouldn't they, stop beiing so grumbly

[GrumblyStuff]

WAHT

[Zarbolord]

Lol, he got you there http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
OWNED! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
Just kidding.... I suppose you might say that a spread would inflict more damage but it's hard when it's a moving target, you have to use gigue bazooka for moving as it touches all areas straight away inflicting loads of DMG. Spreads do tough all areas, so does gigue, so why not try both and tell the results? Grumbly, if you have them, calculate how much is dealt each time (also the spread can do critical hits, I don't think bazooka can...).

[Zarbolord]

owned...

[whiteninja]

On 2006-05-15 10:06, Zarbolord wrote:
Lol, he got you there http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
OWNED! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
Just kidding.... I suppose you might say that a spread would inflict more damage but it's hard when it's a moving target,
Needles easily hit moving things, the GGB does not because it cannot combo, and it fires a slow moving projectile. Get your facts straight.


you have to use gigue bazooka for moving as it touches all areas straight away inflicting loads of DMG.
More like loads of "Miss!" unless you have max ATA on a Ramar or Ramarl. Even with that ATP, the speed is so low it does little damage, and a Needle is much more effective. Get your facts straight.


Spreads do tough all areas, so does gigue, so why not try both and tell the results? Grumbly, if you have them, calculate how much is dealt each time (also the spread can do critical hits, I don't think bazooka can...).
Each hit of the Bazooka has a chance at a critical. Get your facts straight.


owned...
Get your facts straight. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Really, the GGB is worse. It is just a cool weapon, and different from the majority of Needle whores. (Of which I am one! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif )

[REJ-]

You said that the GGB fires a slow moving projectile. How slow is it? Does the Nug2K bazooka also shoot a slow projectile?

I always thought that the bomb it shoots would be as fast as a normal photon bullet. Or is that how fast it goes?

[GrumblyStuff]

It's not that slow (ever used a Photon Launcher, Guilty Light, or Red Scorpio?) but the GGB has an odd tendency to aim wherever the hell it wants to. Aim at a group of enemies, it'll hit the closest one even if you aim at one off the side (to properly hit all of them with the splash damage).

Also, holy hell! Why didn't anyone say it works like the Frozen Shooter?!

I did a quickie run through the forest to test it on the boss. I wasn't sure a hit to the head will be redirected to the middle of the dragon so I stood off the side, shooting the chest. I do believe it hit every part. What surprised me was when it jumped into the air and was still taking the hits despite me not obviously aiming at it (just underneath it; most rifles and handguns won't aim at it IIRC).

[whiteninja]

On 2006-05-16 20:51, GrumblyStuff wrote:
Also, holy hell! Why didn't anyone say it works like the Frozen Shooter?!

I did a quickie run through the forest to test it on the boss. I wasn't sure a hit to the head will be redirected to the middle of the dragon so I stood off the side, shooting the chest. I do believe it hit every part. What surprised me was when it jumped into the air and was still taking the hits despite me not obviously aiming at it (just underneath it; most rifles and handguns won't aim at it IIRC).
If you use a Mechgun as Sil is getting off the ground, it is possible to stop it before it takes off. If not, then just a bit of FS'ing will do. And that works quicker.

For hitting it while it's head is down... just do that with a Needle. >.>

[GrumblyStuff]

I was testing. 'sides, killing it with Charge Vulcans would only make it quicker by about 5 seconds.

[Jarek]

On 2006-05-16 20:51, GrumblyStuff wrote:
Also, holy hell! Why didn't anyone say it works like the Frozen Shooter?!

I did a quickie run through the forest to test it on the boss. I wasn't sure a hit to the head will be redirected to the middle of the dragon so I stood off the side, shooting the chest. I do believe it hit every part. What surprised me was when it jumped into the air and was still taking the hits despite me not obviously aiming at it (just underneath it; most rifles and handguns won't aim at it IIRC).





On 2006-05-13 16:58, psobsesser wrote:
Spread needle cannot hit the dragon once its taken flight; gi gue bazooka can.


o_o'
Maybe I didn't word it exactly like that, but I thought it was clear enough.

[GrumblyStuff]

I thought you meant it just had the range to hit it in the air like a regular rifle whereas the SN can't even match Mechgun range.

[ZamWesell]

Use both. Needle to knock it down, needle while it's down, then switch to bazooka before it flies away. Depending on your atp it's around 2-3 bazooka shots to send dragon crashing down. while not as strong as the others, Ano bazooka can be found from normal ep4.

I think what one of the previous posters meant by moving targets was De Rol Le(lie)/Barba Ray when they are moving along the sides, front, back, and above of the raft. Bazooka's hit the boss during these actions because of its rafoie-like splash damage. Needle's short range basically limit it to when its on the raft and a brief moment when its close along the sides. In these cases bazooka does hit a moving target better than a needle.

[whiteninja]

On 2006-05-16 22:35, GrumblyStuff wrote:
I was testing. 'sides, killing it with Charge Vulcans would only make it quicker by about 5 seconds.
o.o

The sad thing is, I actually find those 5 seconds very, very, very important. When I play PSO, I aim for the utmost absolute perfection and speed.

[Dana]

On 2006-05-17 13:26, whiteninja wrote:
When I play PSO, I aim for the utmost absolute perfection and speed.


*nauraa*

But anyways >_>

FS works best on a dragon trying to fly away. imo


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