Our beloved president of Poland

[PIT]

While reading today's newspaper i got really angry at our politic situation. MR. president wants every single one text message, every call, every e-mail i write and every site i visit in the database and anyone who has the proper authorisation can see if i'm writing some anti-politic stuff in my e-mails or if i'm visiting satanistic sites. there's no privacy left in this country...


we'll get kicked out of the european union, our president's view differs from the eu one. these are the things that EU doesn't appreaciate and our ruler wants to bring to our country:
-capital punishment
-censoring tv, which is breaking the law of freedom, privacy, or whatever the fuck it is
-kill the homos!
-we have the european prices, but we don't have the european payment
-some more, but i just can't remember right now >.<



and yet they still call it democracy

[PIT]

oh and one more thing - according to what i just said, this text will get checked and the next time i get out of my house, i'll meet four divine punishers in full armor with crosses on their helmets and morgensterns in their hands, saing "you said bad things about our lord and ruler, you shall die!"




so goodbye people

[tank1]

we'll get kicked out of the european union

I wish that would happen to the UK the way things are going it wont be long until the EU is renamed the "United States of Europe".

[Dangerous55]

I love Poland, I am Polish. Well American first but alot of Polish ancestry. I just got this sweet red Polish and Proud shirt with the Polish Eagle on it. Man, also got a Polish Mauser from the 20s.
And yes, that is bullshit, I would fight shit to the death.

[PIT]

dude, i guess mauser is german >.>

[Skuda]

Is that president screwed in the head? O_o

[tank1]

Most likely like most EU primeminister's and presidents.

[HUnewearl_Meira]

Come to the United States. You can say the most horrible things imaginable about our president here, and the worst you'll get is flamed.

[tank1]

Flame throwed? lol.

[PIT]

some drunk said a few bad things about our great master and king and he was out of luck - they got him on tv and he got a trial and had to pay a whole goddamn lot of money for insulting head of the country. as we all propably know - drunks don't have a lot of cash...


oh, and the last prime minister was kicked out to free his place for... surprise, our president's twin brother! seriously

[Dangerous55]

On 2006-09-06 09:22, PIT wrote:
dude, i guess mauser is german >.>



It is, and I have one using the Mauser design but a different model and manufactured in Poland.

[Danger_Girl]

On 2006-09-06 06:04, PIT wrote:
wants to bring to our country:
-capital punishment
-censoring tv, which is breaking the law of freedom, privacy, or whatever the fuck it is
-kill the homos!
-we have the european prices, but we don't have the european payment
-some more, but i just can't remember right now >.<

and yet they still call it democracy




I read your post and became curious. So I did some of my own research.

The Prawo i Sprawiedliwosc party was founded in part by Lech Kaczynski, the president of which you speak, in 2001. He later became president in 2005.

First off, it is indeed true that they wish to impose the death penalty. However, according to opinion polls is supported by 77% of the Polish population according to the sources I found, which consisted mainly of Wiki, and the news services they site there. source. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prawo_i_Sprawiedliwo%C5%9B%C4%87)




On 2006-09-06 06:04, PIT wrote:
(the president Lech Kaczynski wants to) -kill the homos!
I was skeptical of this of course. The party clearly opposes gay marrige though, but so does 74% of Poles according to opinion polls. source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prawo_i_Sprawiedliwo%C5%9B%C4%87). However, that number drops to only 44% opposed when the registration of homosexual couples is called something besides marrige.

In addition I found some other quotes by PiS party memebers in regards to homosexuals.

Lech Kaczynski wrote in Polish daily "Fakt" that any idea that homosexuals shouldn't work in schools as teachers is completely alien to his thinking. As reported by PAP on September 21, 2005, Jaroslaw Kaczynski (the presidents twin brother, and PiS party memeber) said that homosexuals should not be teachers, but that homosexuals would not be persecuted. On September 22, 2005, another member of PiS, Adam Bielan, in an interview on TVP, made statements indicating that PiS does not yet have a clear policy on whether or not homosexuals should be accepted in jobs in which there is close contact with children.
That's hefty rhetoric, and while it might fall short of your claim that they want to "kill the homos," (I'm sure that wasn't meant to be taken literally anyway) it does clearly indicate that at least some members of the PiS seek to discriminate.




On 2006-09-06 06:04, PIT wrote:
and yet they still call it democracy.
He's winning elections, so yes, it's democracy. I can't say one way or the other if some of his policys are in violation of the Polish constitution, but regardless it seems a case of "tyranny of the majority" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority). Ultimately the electorate is responsable for whom they put into power.

If people are being fined for speaking their mind, that is indeed disturbing. It's ironic considering Kaczynski was involved with the Solidarity movment that fought so hard to end the Communist oppression. He actually spent time imprisoned as an "anti-socialist element" in 1981.

Anyway, I wish you good luck and hope that Poland doesn't revert back to it's oppressive past.

[Solstis]

Everyone loves mob rule until it bites them on their collective asses.

[PIT]

you know, the written facts are sometimes different from the actual speeches and thoughts. they are completely ahainst homosexuals, but they just don't want other countries to know about it. did any of you hear that he didn't accept for the homo-parade in poland?

well, i'm not a homo and they didn't cause any harm to me, so i'm neutral in this case, but maybe Lechu isn't totally right?

[saturnihilist]

The platform a politician stands on usually has an ugly basement. Still, I don't know enough about this to pass judgement. I will say that neutrality has killed us all. The whole "I'm not [this or that], so I'm neutral." I find extremists of anything to be more useful, because they bring about change in some form. And this isn't directed at you, PIT, but against the the vast majority of informed humanity who has the facts and doesn't vote at all, doesn't act at all, doesn't care at all.

[saturnihilist]

And I meant have* there. I did a little research, and I have to agree with Danger_Girl for the most part. My discrepancies were probably only based on personal opinion, so they don't really matter.

[Scejntjynahl]

On 2006-09-07 13:16, PIT wrote:
you know, the written facts are sometimes different from the actual speeches and thoughts. they are completely ahainst homosexuals, but they just don't want other countries to know about it. did any of you hear that he didn't accept for the homo-parade in poland?

well, i'm not a homo and they didn't cause any harm to me, so i'm neutral in this case, but maybe Lechu isn't totally right?



I must agree with you on this point. What is written is hardly what is exacted. Most of the time these "documents" only exist to keep other nations at bay and out of their business.

Perhaps its time for you to relocate? I know that I did, and did my family. There is no shame to look out for your own well being.

[PIT]

can't relocate yet, i'm too young, but i already have a place and some helping hand there. just a year or two, i'll get sure and maybe i'll end my education, it's just that i'm not ready yet