Grinders, breakages, and you. Or, Why did my C Rank Break o

[Arislan]

I'm still looking through for the manner in which luck influences grinding, but here are the values for all grinders currently in-game and the percent chance that they will succeed on a +10 grind. I have no values on lower than that, sorry.

Left side is Offline, right is Online, for those interested in the offline side of things.
C Grinders
+1 0/5
+2 6/15
+3 23/20
+4 72/25
+5 100/30
+6 -/35
+7 -/40
+8 -/45
+9 -/55
+10 -/65

B Grinders
+1 0/0
+2 6/10
+3 23/16
+4 72/21
+5 100/26
+6 -/31
+7 -/37
+8 -/42
+9 -/52
+10 -/63

A Grinders
+1 0/?
+2 6/?
+3 23/?
+4 72/?
+5 100/?
+6 -/?
+7 -/?
+8 -/?
+9 -/?
+10 -/?

S Grinders
+1 5/?
+2 15/?
+3 30/?
+4 75/?
+5 100/?
+6 -/?
+7 -/?
+8 -/?
+9 -/?
+10 -/?


This means that if you're going from +9 to +10 on a Buster with a C+10, you have a 65% chance of succeeding, and a 35% chance of blowing up in your face.

Enjoy!

[Tycho]

Yeah. Too bad the stats on the A/S rank ones are still 'secret', like 46x, the extra PAs and the three additional Ores. -_-;

[WildArms2]

how did you find these numbers?

[Ether]

I'm guessing its from the perfect bible

[Tycho]

Yeah, Bible has the in the Grinder section.

[Arislan]

So, now I need a +9 weapon of C and B rank, and combining this info with your Tycho, we can get a rough idea for what levels of luck do for your grinding... Work from there to get other +'s. It's something at least.

[WildArms2]

so let me see if i understand this your saying by using a C+10 your have at least a 65% chance of sucesses on grinding? And further more a C+9 gives at least 55% chance of working on a weapon grinded to 9 going to 10?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: WildArms2 on 2006-12-11 15:45 ]</font>

[Arislan]

This is all for +9 to +10, yes. And this is for 0 luck. I have no information on how luck affects grinding, we only know that it does.

[Sitka]

After spending 110,000 on a synth board and another 60,000+ on materials and failing on the first attempt and finally succeeding on the second attempt to get my .... drumroll....A-rank 8-star BURST Rifle, I'm only grinding if there is "no chance at failure."

With my luck, if there is a 1% chance of a grind failing, I get assigned that 1% - damn Sega for thinking up this grinding idea (still, beats PK, weapon drop and experience drop not to mentiong hacking and duping http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif).

[Arislan]

Not new to Sega, Grinding was in RO forever and a day, and the Elunium and the... Other one was WAY more expensive. THEN you broke your item.

[Shazbot]

PSU imPerfect Bible lists some percents for C and B grade grinders. I think they're the odds of a particular grinder's success when grinding from +9 to +10...buuuut I could be wrong so here's the Japanese (can't seem to post the kanji so romaji will have to do. Apologies).

Sono grinder de kyoukasurusai no, juukaime no seikou ritsu. Jissai ni wa kyoukakaikazu ya seireiun nado no hosei ga kuwawari, seikouritsu wa kore yori mo joushousuru.

C+1 = 5%
C+2 = 15%
C+3 = 20%
C+4 = 25%
C+5 = 30%
C+6 = 35%
C+7 = 40%
C+8 = 45%
C+9 = 50%
C+10 = 65%

B+1 = 0%
B+2 = 10%
B+3 = 16%
B+4 = 21%
B+5 = 26%
B+6 = 31%
B+7 = 37%
B+8 = 42%
B+9 = 52%
B+10 = 63%

Oh and these %s are for 0 luck apparently.

[rena-ko]

didnt look through the imPerfect Bible so far concerning this matter, but i guess its the additional chance ontop of the base chance of a successful grind.

the base chance list from +0 -> +1 and so on should in the bible too, tho i dont have the chance to look through it right now...

[AC9breaker]

Any idea what the mod is for using a higher grade grind on a lower grade wep? Like say I'm using a B+10 on a +10 c rank spear?




<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: AC9breaker on 2006-12-20 09:24 ]</font>

[Arislan]

Does nothing. A B+10 just lets you grind a C Rank weapon while paying an exorbitant price for the grinder.

[Tycho]

chouseirei (L3 luck) increases the odds by something like 5~7.5%; the other two by at most 3%. Can't really make out much more from the available info though. ><;