The PSUTRUTH-Hacker Unveiling-Chapter2 [12/16/06]

[Kaidenx]

[Outwit? Close but nooo ball!]
Reporter(s):Shurei & "Ni-Chan"
Presenter:Kai


Ah this lil' peach had the decency to just sit there and blatantly continue on with their meseta boosting ways. Someone should tell them darkness does not become you...return to the light!

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-"Ni-Chan"

okie when one of our runners went past mr. Asero he was just buying. looked like a normal player minding their business. but the light faded from him. the dark coin rushed into his big pockets quickly. and in bundles too! we present you Mr. Asero with his id. niiiiiiii!

-Kai

Yeah Ni-Chan is crazy. Anyway,basically our lovable runner ran into this guy. He was loading himself pretty quick at first. Then slowed down when he noticed he was being watched. Which was for a good 20 minutes heh. Happy Holidays Asero.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o298/TrueObsidianWolf/PSU/asero.jpg

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So they say they are legit. Head to their shop. Where once many Sori Armors had lie,they were shortly reduced and hidden by the owner in an attempt to beckon and look legit. Check their wares,listen to the stories they tell of how they acquired their status of power! Determine for yourselves. It's not my drive to argue but to more so present what's out there. To Rome we march in strength!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o298/TrueObsidianWolf/PSU/box.jpg

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[Joy to the World!-A hackers caught-]
Reporter:Shin
Presenter:Kai

Why,it seemed they where going on with their lil' method for quite sometime before I determined and finally noted they were raking in meseta as well. After acquiring valid proof..screenies and a vid..I then came to the conclusion that ohhh no this player isn't cool but iz haxing!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o298/TrueObsidianWolf/PSU/omni.jpg

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Kaidenx on 2006-12-16 15:42 ]</font>

[Nedeti]

how much of a hater are you? lol

[Kaidenx]

Nah it's more like dislike. We dislike dupers much. And personally,I do as well. lol they ruin the game for what it's worth. ^.^



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Kaidenx on 2006-12-16 17:17 ]</font>

[Nedeti]

what of the game is ruined? have 99 more of that item in the game? i don't see anything bad there.

Or is it that, you're jealous of those who can do it, an "hater". If this really ruined the game, PSO-WORLD and Sega team would have made restrictions on talking about it.

The only thing right now that could ruin the game is little rock hearted players like you, who got some other players banned temporary or permanently for such a worthless cause.

If you pay too much attention to it, the only thing that will happen is "it" increasing. Keep walking and it will walk the other way, right now the only thing you are doing is pouching more users to do it.

[Careful]

It's called playing the game how it was suppose to be played.

[imfanboy]

And the thing of it is, as well, that these people are NOT nice. They are not good.

They are the sort of people who would have FSODed you in PSO GC, who would have NOLed you in PSO DC, and why?

Because they chose not to play the game the way it was meant to be played, got bored with it because they had everything they should have worked hard for, and then they had to do whatever they can to get even a fraction of entertainment from the game.

Right now it starts with this. Then, it goes on to using whatever other cheats that Broomie decides to start spreading. And then, everyone does it...

I guess that you were the sort of person who used dupes frequently in PSO Nedeti? If so, I can understand why you don't see anything wrong with being a 'little bit' of a cheater.

[Katrina]

The sad thing is, has Sega addressed the problem itself? Banning those that dupe is only a band-aid. The meseta duping has been known to be a problem for over a month now, yet ppl are still able to dupe?

I just don't understand Sega's logic, and fail to understand why they are throwing a blind eye towards the problem itself. And banning the hackers? That Nubs guy gets banned, then is back the same day. You're telling me Sega's staff is that inept at figuring out how to permanently ban someone like that?

I've been trying to give Sega the benefit of the doubt, but it's getting harder and harder to do when you see the same issues going on over and over.

[Nedeti]

On 2006-12-16 19:58, imfanboy wrote:
And the thing of it is, as well, that these people are NOT nice. They are not good.

They are the sort of people who would have FSODed you in PSO GC, who would have NOLed you in PSO DC, and why?

Because they chose not to play the game the way it was meant to be played, got bored with it because they had everything they should have worked hard for, and then they had to do whatever they can to get even a fraction of entertainment from the game.

Right now it starts with this. Then, it goes on to using whatever other cheats that Broomie decides to start spreading. And then, everyone does it...

I guess that you were the sort of person who used dupes frequently in PSO Nedeti? If so, I can understand why you don't see anything wrong with being a 'little bit' of a cheater.


You i like http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif, back to the topic.

Nope i am not the type who dupes frequently, and if you played with me you would have noticed that i don't keep most items i dupe, i give them away by doing some small events and pop quiz.

All i do is take what is hard to get, and give it to those who work hard for it and still can't have it. Am like PS's robin hood or even better PS's Green Arrow.

Yes i understand, "the way its meant to be played" but come on lol that is Nvidia's slogan... But life is boring when you live it normally and so that is why its been said "live life to its fullest" and it is the same with games, if you can do something that others can't just do it. Risk is part of life just like you can get hit by a bus out of no where any day.

About Broomop, if you did a little bit more research you would have noticed that most bugs in the game that Sega team patches, are his discoveries. The currents cheats out now were his originally and other users also had the same or a bit different type of those cheats.. But Nugz and the Infamous gamers started exploiting those in game in "Abuse" and so Broomop released them so that sega can patch it.

The game has many exploits and holes that needs fixing, this is a good way to help the games to be more secure. Yet my own opinion, i don't see why some should be mad at this, it doesn't make much difference you can have a lot of money or 99 items of each but it won't move you forward, the game is about skills and chilling... yes chilling *cough*

So friends, we're friends right? Lets keep it cool and respectful this is just a game, and a game must be played the way its meant to be plays... To the fullest.

[imfanboy]

patching code is harder than you'd think - and sometimes it can lead to problems too. Did you ever wonder why there was a double save on PSO GC? Because when it first went online, all people had to dupe was to drop their items and unplug their network cable - the item would still be 'saved' in their inventory, but a copy of it would also exist in the game that they'd just d/c'ed from.

However, the 'fix' for it was in some ways worse than the cure - it added a second save to the game at a moment where if you froze, you'd corrupt; and at a moment when the GC was loading a lot of graphics all at the same time.

The thing that pisses me off is that the more people do this, and the wider it spreads, without people like Kaidenx catching them and getting them banned, the greater the possibility of a SERVER-WIDE rollback.

Sega can do it at any time. Do you remember the items and levels that you've gotten in the last week? How about the last two weeks?

Would you like these idiots to be the ones to blame for forcing you to lose ALL of that?

No, I don't think so. If anything, we should be HELPING Kaidenx as much as possible. If I were bored with grinding (and didn't have 4 characters to raise) I'd do it.

[imfanboy]

No worries, Nedeti. I don't mind you either.

The main thing that concerns me is the possibility of a rollback - Atma's 450 is THIS CLOSE to being ready to bring out (just in time for a patch of her abilities come thursday *crosses fingers*) and I don't want these... these... CHILDREN who can't be bothered to earn their meseta the hard way endangering that.

Seriously, it's the only thing they COULD do if this is becoming widespread and the people that he's catching aren't just new characters of hacker players.

[DoubleJG]

On 2006-12-16 19:33, Careful wrote:
It's called playing the game how it was suppose to be played.



Exactly. Nothing more needed to be said after this post, not even these words which I am writing this very instant.

[Maskim]

Just don't care anymore. It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. No it's not supposed to be hacked, or exploited (since it's not like anyone of these people are actually hacking into the system to change things, so much as exploiting certain weaknesses in the programming), but following around everyone in a store with FRAPS on so you can see if they're making money the right or wrong way...well that's less fun than just about anything.

Remind me not to go afk at an npc ever again.

'OMG, I just saw Maskim standing idle in the mid lobby after De Ragan by the NPC! I watched him for a few minutes and his money went up! He said that he was npc-ing the items he had no use for, but come on, it makes no sense why he wouldn't put them in his store! This be teh h4x!'

For all the talk of returning people to the light from the darkness and all that BS, come back down from your pedestal for a moment. If you wish to be technical, an argument could be made that your actions themselves are in violation of the TOS, regarding the harrassment of other players. Don't become as bad as that which you combat, you lose your moral high ground.

When doing battle with, and staring into the darkness, the darkness stares back; be careful not to become it.

[Maskim]

Anyways...now that I've said that, I figured I'd add that if you want to clean up the game, that's fine. Can we find a way to focus on, and eliminate the theft of people's property from their rooms first? Eliminate the hacks that are directly harming players first please.

[Kaidenx]

I'm not even going to bother retaliating much toward your post Maskim. I'm not here for that. Besides it's not "Kaiden". It's me and the rest of us who bother to do this. Have a problem with it message ObsidianWolf on the official PSU forums. I'll just say this portion though. Like how others can do harm to your room? PM zero your PM? Steal items out of your player store? Heck even hackers are able to gain access to your LOCKED room if they truly desire it. Your not safe. Keep thinking that you are. Wish to pick at us for our actions? How about you assist. Because by doing nothing your merely letting the game fall into a pool of hell. Harrassment..? ....Oy...



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[Maskim]

And that is why I said...
Can we find a way to focus on, and eliminate the theft of people's property from their rooms first? Eliminate the hacks that are directly harming players first please.
The ends don't justify the means in everything. You want to report someone cheating when you stumble upon them, ok. You want to camp out for hours on end and wait for people to cheat so you can expose them to the world and have them banned, it's a bit over the top. The only people who should be 'policing' the game would be sega. You should be trying to enjoy it.

Turn people in, get them banned, make the virtual world a better place. You don't really need to turn it into a three ring circus in the process.

[Kaidenx]

Your missing something there. I'm sorry your taking this in another manner. You can't change a person's opinion unfortunately. Exposing people to the world? Well I know for a fact the leader's intentions were to simply deliver the names of any high lvls who were caught cheating to those who felt they wished to know the truth. Personally I would not want to hang around anyone ingame who did the meseta trick. Lack of character if you ask me. Might I ask,are you mad we are giving Sega a helping hand? Well I know that will be answered in another manner. Regardless. I appologize personally if my friends and my posting dupers are annoying you. I also appologize if perhaps you or one of your friends were one who got reported and banned by us? Because I just still cannot understand the hostility. To each his own though.

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[Maskim]

On 2006-12-16 22:52, Kaidenx wrote:
Your missing something there. I'm sorry your taking this in another manner. You can't change a person's opinion unfortunately. Exposing people to the world? Well I know for a fact the leader's intentions were to simply deliver the names of any high lvls who were caught cheating to those who felt they wished to know the truth. Personally I would not want to hang around anyone ingame who did the meseta trick. Lack of character if you ask me. Might I ask,are you mad we are giving Sega a helping hand?



LOL, no I am not mad you're trying to help sega. I'm partially taking issue with the method in which you're doing it. Sega has shown that they are banning people for these actions this time around. Simply reporting them with this damning evidence should prove enough to get them removed. In that case you won't need to worry about hanging around any of these people, because they'll be gone.

I also take partial issue in the way in which you word it. All this about fighting the darkness, and return to the light, with no opportunities for these people to do so. With claims of wanting to rehabilitate the perveyors of these methods, but an instant reporting to sega, and the public, you're not leaving room for rehabilitation. There are two options available to them post ban. Stay out of the game, or come back and start over. You claimed your group wanted them to see the error of their ways, and return to the light. If they get banned, and do come back, they now have two options before them. To do things legit this time around, or to try to regain things the easy way, much faster. It's kind of like the prison system; as well as it works in many cases, no one can deny that a convict is likely to reoffend(hence a parole officer), returning to what they know.

As I've said, I don't take issue with the ends, I take issue with the means.

[Box]

On 2006-12-16 15:33, Kaidenx wrote:

So they say they are legit. Head to their shop. Where once many Sori Armors had lie,they were shortly reduced and hidden by the owner in an attempt to beckon and look legit. Check their wares,listen to the stories they tell of how they acquired their status of power! Determine for yourselves. It's not my drive to argue but to more so present what's out there. To Rome we march in strength!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o298/TrueObsidianWolf/PSU/box.jpg



Yep that's me. The most sori sembas I had in my shop was 3 for one as I got 3/8 on one run. I also got 0/8 on the run before that, 2/3 before that, and 1/3 before that -.- I'm crafting 8 more now and yes at the time of writing this I have sold 5/6 for between 3 and 6 mil. Also my main business is weapons which the 50% 7* sell 1-1.5m and 8* 1.5-2m (MAJOR PROFIT!!!!) You can check psu forums for the name stox I believe the first one I made was last saturday then got another sunday which helped me boost my weapon making business. If you do not believe I am legit sit in my shop for 5 mins and just watch the foot traffic. I also just today had the capital to start a ranged shop which will be open before most people read this but I'm sure that character will be accused of hacking as well. I can put numbers of my profit / weapon along with pricing list and # of weapons I move a day but honestly that's alot of work and enough people have seen my shop from when it sucked and I was crafting very few weapons to where it has grown now so I don't feel I have to defend myself on this point. People will make up their own minds anyway but this took alot of work and I'm basically stopping the making of 7* due to time constraint (3 hour synth) since I will be doing ranged as well now and will only have to check back every 6 hours and it takes a while to get mats and boards, especially photons and par ebon from people's shops. Slaterian is easy and stelnium not too bad, but neu ebon and mot ebon along with kerseline and vestaline I normally buy from npc since 90% of player shops put these for more than the npc price. Anyway end of rant there http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif lol Although Box is only 19, Stox my main was 50 before the update. I welcome any/all of you who wish to report me to Sonic Team and hope they reply to you with an answer.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Box on 2006-12-16 23:52 ]</font>