Protection against exploiters?

[kimaya]

Hi http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif... Well, I have a question. I don't want to blame anyone or cause a problem because I can prove nothing, so I won't be listing names or the item in question, but I would like to know something about the exploits (not methods) and if there is a way to protect against them. I didn't see any topics specifically on this, and most of the other topics are a lot of flaming.

About my incident real quick, just for clarity:
It was a rare I was selling in my store. I had been waiting for it to sale, and I came back to check on it after a run.

It was there when I came back, but a player was standing in my room for a long time. I went shopping and came back and she was still in there. Then finally she left after chatting with me for a moment. I did check my player log and there is one name on there who appears on the lists of other people's logs who have been hacked. So.. if someone wants to contact me for images that is fine. The person in my room also had around 4m meseta.

I checked my shop and the rare was gone but I had received no cash for it.

Did it poof due to a bug? Is this a known issue? Will closing my store help or do I need to PW my room also? Or is the only way to protect to move all items to characters? Any advice on the best way to protect items would be welcome.


Thanks!
kimaya

[CelestialBlade]

I've noticed that pretty much anyone who's been hacked has owned a store, so it must be the only way the hacker/hackers can get into your room in the first place. Passwording doesn't hurt either.

But the My Room server glitch (should it exist), I don't think there's anything you can do about that. But please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm interested myself.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

Yea.
Ways they enter your room:

1.shop
2.partner card

if you remove those two you can be safe.

[kimaya]

Is there a way to take back your partner card from people? I removed a lot of people off my list unfortunately so it would be hard to track down who has my card by now... I don't think it is someone on my list though since I have a store. Anyway.. guess its time to close shop! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif.

[Maskim]

Close shop. Reopen under an alt character. Keep really good/rare items away from the shop, and advertise them in the trade forums. That's the plan of action I came up with at least.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

Its ok about the people on your partner listt. Just make sure the ones you meet and send cards too are the good ppl~. You can always blacklist someone so that they cant bother you but the only way to do that ismeet them in person.

I have my room locked now. But for me to sell things i'm going to use an alt character and lock my main character's room. this is so i wont lose anything crazy.

ps. Check your private message http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

It appears that there is a glitch with the lock room. sometimes it will appear as your room is locked, but people still enter. If this happens, you will have to go back and lock the room again.

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[kimaya]

hmm... thats a good idea to open shop on an alt... I think I will do that. Also, does the "room bug" only allow people to take items from the room and ruin the PM, or can they go into the PM storage/shop storage?

A lot of people ask for cards, this allows them access to any of my characters rooms right? There the problem with that I guess.. I wish it didn't do that.

(ok) http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Dj_SkyEpic]

There's alot of variations.
1. Being that they steal your decos
2. they reset your pm or mess up your pure pm by feeding it other stat points
3. they mess up your synthesis by cancelling one or overriding a board that was currently in your pm
4. they take things out of your storage or pm

these variations has happened already to alot of ppl ;/

[kimaya]

ok... so theres probably all sorts of exploits making it hard to protect against them unless no one can access your home at all.. which doesnt protect from the room bug.. ah well. Guess have to do the best we can until sega addresses this one.

thanks again all.

[Fleur-de-Lis]

Disclaimer: I've been out drinking. But I didn't drive. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Please forgive my poor judgment.

Does that mean that the information regarding the exploit simply being a matter of chance is incorrect? I mean, is it safe to own a shop provided your room is locked, or has the posited theory regarding the method of forcing entry been proven correct?

Id be perfectly willing to shut the shop down, provided that it weren't completely possible to get into my room regardless...

[Maskim]

I think it's a bit of both. Some reputable sources claim that they themselves have been sent to another's room before. I do not think it's coincidence that every malicious occurance of this 'bug' has included either very legit players as victims, or very rich players. The hackers have been claiming they could do this for a while, the method in which they do it as well has been released publically, more or less. They're taking credit for it. Maybe they just want the attention...maybe..but it would be very simple, if one knew the correct values, to change the value of an item in a room to trick the room into thinking it's ok for them to take it.

These are the folks I want stopped, I could really care less about the meseta dupers as long as this problem persists. The meseta folks are the wannabe amateurs, following instructions that even a child could get the jist of. These room thieves and vandals are the ones to beware. They're bitter and spurned. A dangerous combination, and it appears they're after any they perceive as siding with sega, or their enemies, putting the whole community in an odd position.

[Kittycat]

So, if people are getting into other people's rooms, how I protect from room kersplosion?

Pseudohelp: durrr I think you can save yourself with a close shop ticket and lorcking your room! That'll keep out barubary!

Does idling in your room or logging off prevent the room 'sploit from working? :E

[Arislan]

Mak can probably answer that best, he seems decently well versed in the where-fors and hows of it, despite his apocalyptic rantings and cover-up speeches. ^_^

[MaKaVeLi_X]

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif, Lock your room, put a pass. Dont hand out your card to anyone and blacklist those you might have gave to in the past that might be a risk. Also Kimaya the room bug does not exist, It is a hack. It can still be done but most people dont know you will probably be banned for doing it within a few days. Oh and just because you are in your room, online, offline, anytime It can be done to your room so the only thing you can do is close shop.

[kimaya]

Thanks for clarifying that, Mak. Its good to be able to filter out what isn't and what is only speculation. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif For now.. my room is locked/passed. I wasn't sure but I thought the room thing had to be a hack since certain people were targeted and it seemed about impossible that the breakers would get lucky and get in randomly to the people who have been hit.

Losing items is bad, but I think my PM would be worse. I feel bad for those who have been targeted.

[DoubleJG]

On 2006-12-17 10:21, MaKaVeLi_X wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif, Lock your room, put a pass. Dont hand out your card to anyone and blacklist those you might have gave to in the past that might be a risk. Also Kimaya the room bug does not exist, It is a hack. It can still be done but most people dont know you will probably be banned for doing it within a few days. Oh and just because you are in your room, online, offline, anytime It can be done to your room so the only thing you can do is close shop.



No room bug? The server confusion of mismatch placing is entirely false?

[MaKaVeLi_X]

On 2006-12-17 22:13, DoubleJG3288 wrote:

On 2006-12-17 10:21, MaKaVeLi_X wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif, Lock your room, put a pass. Dont hand out your card to anyone and blacklist those you might have gave to in the past that might be a risk. Also Kimaya the room bug does not exist, It is a hack. It can still be done but most people dont know you will probably be banned for doing it within a few days. Oh and just because you are in your room, online, offline, anytime It can be done to your room so the only thing you can do is close shop.



No room bug? The server confusion of mismatch placing is entirely false?



Yup, you think sega would admit hacks? THINK PEOPLE... if its a room bug that happens lets say 1 in 1000 times.... Then whats the % that someone is actually carrying a PM ZERO on them... Its a intentional hack and its not hard to do. Sega lost enough customers already and arent going to lose more by admiting a hack

[DoubleJG]

On 2006-12-17 23:13, MaKaVeLi_X wrote:

On 2006-12-17 22:13, DoubleJG3288 wrote:

On 2006-12-17 10:21, MaKaVeLi_X wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif, Lock your room, put a pass. Dont hand out your card to anyone and blacklist those you might have gave to in the past that might be a risk. Also Kimaya the room bug does not exist, It is a hack. It can still be done but most people dont know you will probably be banned for doing it within a few days. Oh and just because you are in your room, online, offline, anytime It can be done to your room so the only thing you can do is close shop.



No room bug? The server confusion of mismatch placing is entirely false?



Yup, you think sega would admit hacks? THINK PEOPLE... if its a room bug that happens lets say 1 in 1000 times.... Then whats the % that someone is actually carrying a PM ZERO on them... Its a intentional hack and its not hard to do. Sega lost enough customers already and arent going to lose more by admiting a hack



Makes sense. Now that you put it that way I can see clearly now (the rain is gone...), sorry but I had too lol.

[kattja]

So...the hack only lets them into the room of the character's shop that it is opened under, and not access to any alternate characters?

Are we safe to say, make an alternate character with lv0 PM and open a shop there, send some items via common box and sell them on the alt and play our main character (who is now shopless) in peace?

I closed my shop the other day once I started seeing so many people getting hit, and I didn't want to lose my lv60 B.St PM just because I had a shop... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Laranas]

On 2006-12-17 23:13, MaKaVeLi_X wrote:

On 2006-12-17 22:13, DoubleJG3288 wrote:

On 2006-12-17 10:21, MaKaVeLi_X wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif, Lock your room, put a pass. Dont hand out your card to anyone and blacklist those you might have gave to in the past that might be a risk. Also Kimaya the room bug does not exist, It is a hack. It can still be done but most people dont know you will probably be banned for doing it within a few days. Oh and just because you are in your room, online, offline, anytime It can be done to your room so the only thing you can do is close shop.


No room bug? The server confusion of mismatch placing is entirely false?



Yup, you think sega would admit hacks? THINK PEOPLE... if its a room bug that happens lets say 1 in 1000 times.... Then whats the % that someone is actually carrying a PM ZERO on them... Its a intentional hack and its not hard to do. Sega lost enough customers already and arent going to lose more by admiting a hack


FYI they aren't using a PM Zero. When it's zero'ed through a hack the player still has the partner card and B St. on the PM, but if you use the actual item you'll see that its not the legit case


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[MaKaVeLi_X]

Yes, They are using a PM zero. Things Dont work exactly the same when your doing the hack, just like Everything cant be accessed.

[kattja]

Thanks for clarifcation Makaveli, I know you are knowledgeable in the area. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Though I am trying to get some clarification on an issue and have been unable to do so... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Is "physical" room entry needed or just an ID? To stay safe do we just have to avoid having an ID floating about (ie: cannot sell on an alternate character's shop?)

Thanks http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[MaKaVeLi_X]

yes, they have to physically be there.

[kattja]

Ok, thank you http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif And it is for the current character then. Not all characters of a compromised user would be available (if they access an alternate shop.)

Because as far as I know only 3 ways to enter a room so far. Card, Vistor Log, Shop Search. (Not sure if anyone can fake an ID and initiate a zone transfer to room as that character. That would be a fourth, yet unknown.)

[MaKaVeLi_X]

Well if they have your card then yes all you chars are at risk, If its a shop then only the shop Char is.

[kattja]

Yeah that much I imagined. I don't give my card out to many people except close friends after a while. Well, not that I really have anything valuable to lose anways (that I don't currently use)...I don't.