I thought twin handguns get SE3 at lvl 21 PA...

[Deja]

WTF?!

I mean, it's not terribly bad, but it is still lame. Why even level the thing to 21? For 1 more point in accuracy and ATP? Pure bull...

Or maybe it is just my freeze twin bullets? Tell me that's just it. I got it to lvl 22 and still see SE2.

EDIT: And what about crossbow ammo? If they get SE3 at lvl 21, gonna drop the twins for a while and focus on them and bows (for SE4).




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[Nani-chan]

Elemental % increases a bit I believe. Also many people will still want to get as much atp as they can since dualies have excellent Damage per second. I find dualies can freeze heritic robots faster than SE4 rifles .. they really are decent against more than two-thirds of the enemies you face.

Just accept it as a balancing issue I suppose.

[Itsuki]

If it didn't go up at level 11, it won't go up at 21. Thats the rule. And crossbows start at SE1, get SE2 and 11, and SE3 at 21. But that increase in elemental makes a huge difference in damage.

[Deja]

Yea I guess I see the point of handguns, making them SE3 would just be overkill, since they already boast a nice 24+ percentage elemental, and I can definitely see the difference. Crossbows just look tasty, mass freezing/shocking with incredible damage.

The only real reason I went Guntecher was for the usefulness of crossbow (decent damage with SE3) and wand (Resta/Reverser Shifta/Deband) combo. Twin guns were the showoff, fun weapons, so I shouldn't get all bent out of shape that they don't have SE3.

[Golto]

Twin handgun bullets do start to gain 2% atp per lvl 21+ like rifles. So another 20% atp is worth it.

[Hrith]

but Lv3 SE for ranger classes would have made twin handguns less useless

[Schubalts]

Bah, twin handguns are nowhere near useless!

[Hrith]

As a Fortegunner, I find them useless =/

[Sgt_Shligger]

Well, a fortegunner's opinion is a LITTLE biased. . .

"Twin pistols or some mugafuggin h00ge cannon?

>_>;;

[etlitch]

As a figunner, they can actually be usefull for dealing damage on things. Especially against flyers, that only takes 50% dmg from all melee attacks. They also work alot better due to the higher ATP that the figunner class provides.

You're much better of with a rifle as a fortegunner though.

[Deja]

I'm now assuming crossbows have 2 SE also at lvl 21, right? Argh this sucks.

[ljkkjlcm9]

crossbows start at SE 1, and get to SE 2 at level 11, so I believe they get to SE 3 at level 21... being a fighgunner, after 20 is not exactly my concern

THE JACKEL

[ViciousXUSMC]

not sure what se3 is really good for, I know you need se4 for the big stuff like tengdogs and other big mobs, thats when I really like to see a ranger with a se4 burn rifle, and se2 on the handguns takes down the large groups of mobs like robots or even the guys in S rank linear line with shock.

so whats inbetween SE2 and SE4 that really makes the diffrence? (except maybe landind effects on SE2 mobs easier, but last I checked higher SE level doesnt apply it easier only allows higher tier mobs to be effected)

[etlitch]

It's the effect. Higher lvl SE effects = longer duration.
Higher lvl SE DPS = more damage per tick.

[Hrith]

Higher chance of the SE working, too.

[Deja]

Ok whew, sounds awesome, just wasn't exactly sure (I think Twin Handguns got SE2 at lvl 11 and it didn't go to SE3).

Crossbows FTW. Man I love these things.