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I would like a explanation On how exactly PSO2 isn't just a pure DPS race. because it looks more like a style over substance type of game which is not good for people who want to go for strategy Which obviously the game doesn't allow..Unlike PSO1 PSZ and PSU/Pspo1 & 2.
Zondeel is more of a strategy than Anga Jabroga. :wacko:
EDIT: Why are you so interested in everyone's opinions on the game anyway?
Have you even started to play the game for yourself yet?
The same rule that applies to every single game applies to PSO2; the path of least resistance is the preferred path. The best way for any developer to "hide" this fact is to make it so that this path of least resistance is not achieved by direct means (ie. higher numbers). And in quite a few cases, this holds true for PSO2 too. DPP is as important as DPS. Gathering enemies is important. Reducing downtime or autoattacking for PP is important.
What I would like regarding this is for devs to "revert" to situations where going the non-dps option ends up being more beneficial; for example Capture events. If rewards from capturing massively outweighed killing the enemy and whatever else we could earn during the time it takes to properly capture the enemy, we would most likely play it out as intended. Or Collection ECs, or Mining ECs, or Escort ECs etc.. The new EC type with 2 enemies and having to kill them at the same time felt nice at start, but then we noticed that it's actually more beneficial to focus each individually instead of split damage on them.
Also I never get tired of repeating this, but I also believe there should be greater emphasis on resource management and the HP bar working as an actual HP bar and not simple trinary dead - need heal - full hp "switch" (or in the case of Force players just a binary dead-notdead).
Play the game already and stop making threads like this.
I might give a a shot next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Lumpen Thingy
I would say this is a Fashion Simulator with RPG and Hack & Slash elements instead :p
Not yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kril
Look, some of us dont mind you asking all these questions but its going to get to a point (or already there) where asking questions will no longer work for you and you're better off playing the game yourself and seeing how your opinion forms from there. It will literally make ZERO difference whether you play with an English patch on or a translated version months from now. You're not losing anything insignificant aside some time invested to see how things are for yourself. The game is f2p, no money needed to enjoy this game. Just give the game a try already rather than sitting around waiting for Sega of America's support because as of now and since the announcement of the West release, nothing has been said about how they're going to handle the West servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
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Originally Posted by Kril
I rather not brake international law, if that's okay with you. I rather play it though less non illegal means instead of taking the easy way out and brake some rules only for it to come back to bite me in the ass later.
Break international law? I mean, really?
Yes really. I'm not going to brake the law just to play a few recent Phantasy Star games.
The worst thing that could possibly happen is that your account gets banned. Violating the ToS for an online game by being a foreigner isn't violating "international law", that's some stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
And considering the amount of shitters on ship02, you'd really have to do something spicy to stand out among all the flies.
To not mention that SEGA most certainly is aware of the population on it too and opted to do nothing about it when they easily could, years ago. :v
Doing yourself a disservice by being that paranoid, mate.
Iv'e been made it a personal policy to avoid titles in a franchise that hasn't been localized so idk about being paranoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Symphie
You're right, that's not called being paranoid. That's called being stubborn, which isn't any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
oh right, i forgot you were the one who brought this up awhile back. Well all I can say is to let the paranoia and whatever personal morals you got get the best of you over playing a video game just because its not localized because with that mindset that would mean anyone whos ever imported a non localized game would be also breaking the law with how dumb that sounds its how it is by you for whatever reason thinking that people are going to go after you just because you played some Japanese MMO outside Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
I dont know what to tell you besides setting aside these personal morals "i can do no wrong" stance you got by just playing a video game, there are way worse things that can get you in trouble besides playing some MMO that isnt localized.
I won't respond to anymore of your posts if you're not willing to give the game a try just because its coming to the West in 2020, again, it makes zero difference whether you play now or then aside appealing to this moral stance you have on breaking da internashner law. Have a good one man
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Originally Posted by Kril
I'll be honest with you..... Even if i could be willing to break the rules.... I can't play anyway .......It's not Possible at the moment....That and the fact PSO2 is a rather big game...It's gonna take A really good hard drive to support it
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16822236339 I just bought one of these a month or so ago and it's playing just fine
been playing the entire 7 year run out of michigan here; no problems.
the terms of service stuff is just legalese so they don't have to train their support staff in multiple languages. even just before they added that to the terms of service even the producer was impressed by how quickly an english patch had surfaced.
also, back during that time we had to use cyberkitsune's proxy server tech to get around the weird IP address situation, cyberkitsune discovered that pso2 clients send enough data to the server that sega knows who the foreign users are, so if they really wanted to kick us off they would have done so years ago
Can't be a dps game if it's a fashion game :wacko:
Misinformation about what constitutes as a law aside, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to play a game where it's against the ToS to play it, regardless of how much of a formality that is.
The West version will use equal or greater amount of hard drive space, because it will include localized audio and text. Even if there is no option for Japanese text and voiceover, English almost always takes up larger space when recorded in equal quality. I don't know if Microsoft's involvement in the game's distribution will add more to the size of the game (even if under 1GB). Last I checked the game is currently just a bit under 80GB for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
fresh install is 70.5
I can appreciate you showing an interest in PSO2 and other peoples opinions. That aside, I think you need to truly appreciate those words in your sig because your own morals/opinions/misconceptions on guidelines vs rules are in direct conflict with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
There's only so much you can learn about PSO2 or anything really from second hand views or whatever. Just play the JP release for a few months then move over to the US version when released if you want to. Life is too short to be setting artificial boundaries and excuses over such trivial things as computer games.
If you cant play the game because you lack space, make space! If you cant make space, buy a new drive ($40 for 1TB SSD is not a bad price at all!) If you cant afford it, drop hints while its the holiday season and get a friend or family member to buy one for you. For every excuse you make, there is a logical solution so please stop kidding yourself.
To answer if PSO2 is more than DPS, I think PSO2 is whatever you make of it. The game itself is a glorified gacha/dress-up sim with RPG elements. Its entirely up to you how you play the game ultimately and whether you focus on being a self proclaimed MPV in an MPA or a handsome looking trap who's flamboyancy rings true throughout the fashion catalog.
Most enemies can be beaten regardless of your individual or collective DPS with the only thing getting in the way of that being the quest timer. DPS is subjectively perceived anyway. For someone who has played PSO2 for a long time, you will just know when DPS is lacking because facing a certain enemy will take longer than it might have done previously. For the most part, its really not a big deal when you reach true endgame.
I wish I could say more, but it really does help to just play the game and experience it first hand when faced with questions like this.
OP, do you get angry if you play ffxiv and see the party healer use DPS spells? Or while we're at it, do you think the tank and healer are the ones carrying the party and the DPS is just along for the ride and doesn't have to do any hard work? Serious questions.
Not only that, when the DDOS attack happened at the start of Episode 2, access to the game was changed to be region locked to Japan only, but less than a year later that region lock was removed (except for SEA countries, I think?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Symphie
If SEGA wanted to try to keep foreigners out, they would have kept the region lock in place.
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Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
I will say thank you for keeping the forum alive with your threads. Most pso2 convo these days are on discord which is very toxic place.
Hopefully I can team with you on NA version if you won't come to JP
DPS? dafuq are you talking about? this is a barbie game simulator where grown men buy overpriced female outfits and try to make their waifus as cute or lewd as possible because SEGA also approves lewd content
It wasn't region locked, rather they used different routing to their servers that wasn't properly accessible by several ISPs outside of Japan, but there were still some that could connect even without a VPN/proxy; I was one of the lucky ones who had an ISP that could connect properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezodagrom
Ah, I always assumed it was just a region lock. ^^;Quote:
Originally Posted by Anduril
Yea, it was not a voluntary lock, just that they only cared to solve the routing problem for their Japanese customers, I was also able to connect without VPN.
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Originally Posted by huck
I'm sorry to hear that about the PSO2 community In that case you're welcome....
Everyone here is right, Handicapping myself isn't going to help... So I'll join you on JP ASAP. if i can't, i'll have to go for NA.
yeah when we figured out what was happening, I talked to somebody I knew that knows more about network stuff than me and they were like "how does anybody even maintain a connection outside of the city block like this"Quote:
Originally Posted by Anduril
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Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
I've been playing since 2017 and have Max lvl on every class. I could help you get started just send me a PM or contact me from the info on my sig.
Different people consider different behaviours as toxic.
Some people find it toxic when others throw insults. Others find it acceptable.
Some people find it toxic when others perform at less than 95% of maximum theoretical performance. Others find it acceptable.
Some people find it toxic when others spam autowords and/or cut-ins for absolutely everything. Others find it acceptable.
Some people find it toxic when others sell stuff at high prices at the market. Others find it acceptable.
Some people find it toxic when others do conversations in-game about stuff unrelated to the game. Others find it acceptable.
Some people find it toxic when others do not group with them for any reason. Others find it acceptable.
Some people find it toxic when others try to act as armchair developers. Others find it acceptable.
In the end, live and let live. People forget that it is too easy to ignore something if it goes against what they conceive as "correct" and "proper".
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Originally Posted by TehCubey
Uhh... Not really.... I Think FF is is just FF... Been doing different things all the time... But in a way you're right... It's simply part of the fact that it's not exactly PSO and More like PSU (Portable 2) but on turbo mode. Sort of, Not that there's anything wrong with that Believe me, I was quite impressed with Portable 2 it's just that apparently the enemy in Pspo2 can give be far more of a threat ofc that was probably due to the mechanics ... PSO2? Well the Enemies could be better but it's better than nothing ....
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Originally Posted by Aranea
I know Ibh My problems kind of runs deeper than that ...and it's not with just PSO2... But that's for another time.
It depends, enemies at lower levels and especially older content mostly don't feel like a threat, but there are enemies (especially some of the newer ones) that can put up a fight in higher levels/end game content (though even those don't stand a chance against large groups of players).Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
Boss fights is where PSO2 shines though.
Pre-nerf Ultimate Naberius was a nightmare, a good kind of nightmare, where enemies are a lot more aggressive. I wish they'd bring back its pre-nerf state.
If you think PSPo2 has more threatening enemies then you've seen nothing in PSO2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWDxdW-UmRY
PSO was basically a DPS race as well, with Double Cannon/BKB and Zalure 50(from a weapon capable of doing this). PSU was just Anga Jabraga and Shotgunners and before all of that it was Chiki- that slicer PA before it got nerfed hard, and even before that was the dagger PA, didn't even need Shifta either.
I always found the Phanntasy Star series goal is to find best dps/dpp PA/PAcombo in many aspects such as playstyle, usefulness, easyness, safeness, e.t.c
And about heal/tank roles I dunno why but I always targeted by mobs more than others even I'm not dps just running by.
I can easy tell now with this aggro marking and saw it much in this 4ppl UQ: 2/3 mobs always targeting me from the start.
So I put more into HP affixes at start and ended with Rappy back fully packed with HP/PP with slightest atk, but I still targeted, hitted and eventually dying when my invincibility frames aren't working T_T
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Originally Posted by Zulastar
I see......You must have had it rough.
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Originally Posted by Meteor Weapon
I see...... Didn't know they nerfed Ultimate
So, this some is kind of troll thread? Cause either this or it's based on total ignorance of the game.
There are a number of quests where strategy and skill at other things than dos are a lot more important than dps.
Not to mention dps alone isn't really worth that much in this game where enemy damage is super high and it's always a pain to see that glass cannon with his fancy gear die all the time and in the end not contribute very much cause dead dps is zero dps.
It's mentalities like that that caused me to stop playing CQ and TD 3 / 4 because so called pro players with their high dps failed hard at all content that wasn't based on purely getting the highest paper dps.
let the man ask his questions and stop giving him shit lmao
he's asking questions someone would ask if they didnt play the game which he admits to not doing. he had his reasons to not play the game and whether you agree with it or not doesnt really matter
let my mans live his best life already
only thing you could prob give him shit for is making new threads instead of using quick questions thread but that thread has its own issues :wacko:
If the game doesn't appeal to you then don't play it? Why do you need the community to justify and bend the game into fitting your own preferences?
you're confusing with dps due to affixes with dps due to skill, which are very much so not the same thing. affixes contribute to roughly 15-20% of your dps only, which is noticeable, but not even on the same order of magnitude as dps due to skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother clusterfck
I'm not trying to... Just trying to figure a few things out.Quote:
Originally Posted by KazeSenoue
And even if i could it will never be to my "Preferences" due to one small detail...Although it's more of a artifical kind of thing and just my personal opinion.... other than that PSO2 Is fine and i look forward to playing it someday...So i might as well use what is avalaible to my advantage until that
day comes, because i currently lack the means to play it anyway.
That's what i'm excatly asking.... But sorry if i offended you somehow by asking questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother clusterfck
Your question was seriously dumb because in the vast majority of online rpgs dps is just one aspect of being a good player in endgame content. Not just that, you phrased it like a troll question, like saying only dps is important and anyway saying it's not is just making excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
It's the internet so obviously all online game forums are plagued by trolls and with such a question everyone thinks you are trolling in one way or another. Next time ask more like "What's important in PSO2 besides dps?" and no one will think you are trolling.
It's obvious that this person isn't really the brightest but this is pretty much what the reasoning amounts to among people who "REALLY WANT TO" but don't play. Whenever you see posts like this its by people high on a nostalgia rush from PSO but don't actually care about playing it or its sequel anymore. The US version is dead on arrival and pretty much there just to leech what little there is to leech off this game before it completely ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetFighter2242
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Originally Posted by FantasyHeaven
People like this is why this forum is dead. Rude ass people every other post.
this forum is dead most of the time despite the quality of the posts. even though these 2 morons are reading this like it happened yesterday instead of letting the thread die offQuote:
Originally Posted by huck
mods please, instead of deleting my last post which wasnt anywhere near as bad as those 2 getting rustled, lock the dam thread. wow so hard
Let's actually discuss the thread, shall we?
Honestly, that's how the game went downhill in terms of content IMO. It's always been a DPS race since EP1 and I feel that's why the social aspect of the game has been slowly fading away. Since everyone's so strong and self sufficient, you're not really encouraged to join strangers and make new friends unless you want a 40% triboost bonus and, even if you do, there's likely little to no communication involved. I think the self sufficiency of all classes are to blame, making PSO2 feel more like a single-player game with multiplayer aspects than the other way around. Hopefully, they are actually catching up to that and are making more content that doesn't necessarily focuses on DPS (like Étoile being a more defensive class and group chats) and I do hope they add more social content.
I really wish they do. I want challenge blocks to be a thing again since every starts by punching the enemies and dropping some stuff so others can also have some stuff. It needs a bit of teamwork and I like the concept of it but SEGA seems to totally forgot about the whole Challenge blockQuote:
Originally Posted by rokkuman
Then go and find 1~3 people who have some interest in CM. There's no point in doing it 12 man now because that's literally a 20 minute run of just mindlessly running through the maps while holding a gun.
Exactly. I loved the teamwork and people actually giving a shit about others in order to succeed (dropping healing items, making sure everyone knows the strategy through symbol arts, etc.). I hope they apply this concept again in future content and don't abandon it the second its loots become irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaizoKage
Isn't that PSO2 in a nutshell, though? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Reilet
The point of CMs is the good amount of teamwork effort that is absent from the rest of the game. It's actually fun since you can't power creep your way through, making you depend on others.
the issue is theres zero incentive to run CM right now, nothing in the shop is worth grinding for and its been YEARS since the last CMQ got added and given how YSOK likes to pick and choose what the player base wants, who knows if CM will even get updated by the time PSO3 is outQuote:
Originally Posted by rokkuman
PSO2 is simply following the trend of online games in general: Massively Singleplayer Online mode, ie. the game is best experienced and most rewarding (on average) when you go your own way instead of trying to coordinate with other players, but content still requires many players to be online in the same area/quest for the reward to come. Sort of how vikings would raid villages back in the day... or millenium.
You want to promote teamwork? Implement challenges that are optimally overcome with coordination instead of gung-ho dpsing (like EC: Capture), but make it so that the reward for successful completion is massively better than if you complete the objective by just straight dpsing the enemy down. Implement switches that have to be activated at the same time. Change the new EC of having to kill 2 enemies so that the closer in time they die, the better the reward. Implement new types of PAs/Techs/Skills where the effect is maximized by having another player perform a specific action as a follow up to yours (for example plant a bomb of element <x> on an enemy, another player has to hit the enemy with element <y> to explode)
But as said, the reward for completing the challenges "properly" with coordination should be massively better, not just more exp, meseta or excubes. It needs to reward stuff like direct 13*s and 14*s weapons, weapons and units with 8slot abilities, Plamias, Emerards and Diards, Add Ability: <x> tickets, accessory tickets that can be found on Shirona, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip1KEURTwd4Quote:
Originally Posted by rokkuman
You don't say eh? That was a year ago. We've received more buffs since. That kind of logic only applies when you do CM with less than 6 people with 4 being the sweetspot.
if you want a team work challenge, try endless quest 1 or 2. those require a lot of teamwork to get very far.Quote:
Originally Posted by rokkuman
That's... not how viking raids worked. Sorry, I could argue about how your suggestions aren't realistically happening or how challenging endgame content in other MMOs also requires significant "gung-ho dps" that you seem to dislike so much, but I just can't get over how historically inaccurate that comparison is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Mits
I guess my Viking comparison was indeed uninformed; after all I went with the stereotype that Viking raids were unorganized and relied more upon brute force and speed instead of tactical approach and attrition wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by TehCubey
Nah, I know those are different, but before actually being in a quest with another player, all you can see is their gear and the better the gear, the higher the likelihood of that player having decent skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by milranduil
I've been in enough bad and failed runs with people having great gear to know the difference but it's not there is any other way to even hint at someone's skill level if you don't know them.