Infinity translation poll -please vote-

Now that coldbird and the rest are translating and reinserting
the tables in game while correcting mistranslated text among a few
other things we have run into a small problem.

Like they stated what we want is no problem, but we have to decide
what we will do translation wise.

The few problems with this are:

-There is a fully translated EPISODE 1 (aka PSPo2 vanilla)
-There is a vanilla fan base already
-The existing japanese fanbase
-The changes sega made in names among other things

So to solve this and other posible future problems we need to hold this
poll now and see what the community wants the most, with this we can
solve the following issues:

-Wether translators will stick to original text like names for example
-Correcting the text acordingly to have a consistent translation
-Reducing translation time due to knowing what well do and what not

Some exmaples of the above issues are these:

-Characters like "Kraz" in original japanese are named "Crouch" so with
this poll well decide if we stick with the original or the official USA one

-Some items like armor wich is referred as Shield line or Shield weave

We need your help and opinions on this poll to improve and make the
translation easier and more enjoyable to everyone without ending in
disputes anmong the memebers of the community.

Please vote.

I honestly don't mind which way translations lean, the people that know of it are frequenting this site and or are checking on its progress as they stumble around looking for a falsified US release date.

Well both JAP or USA based is fine, so go for any one of those...
its better to read in English rather than Japanese as far as I can tell...

I vote for original JP text. Keep the game in intact but with english text.
I have no problem playing in japanese.

Original USA translations. Besides Vanguard sounds cooler than Braver.

Anyway, I'm just glad that the game is translated to an English at all ;)

Glad to know the poll is producing results already, BTW as stated by coldbird
this poll will be closed in 30 days so that by then the translators can decide on
wich path to take.

I personally would like the text to be accurate to like PSU in terms of items and the only thing I want localize is Vanguard because it sounds right then Braver imo. I believe PSU's translations are about the same as the JP translation.

Though both work just as well, I figure choosing the 'both' option is akin to prolonging this stalemate - after all, you can't have both. So I sway towards the original japanese text.

I'd like it so I can edit it freely. That way everyone is happy.

I´m all for the translation.
Makes it easier to navigate the item box and find what you were looking for.

I would be happy with any of the both. I don't care much if it's Crouch Müller or Kraz Muehler, I just want to play Infinity in english. D< (So I can finally play with Ami and Reo together, if I ever get Infinity of course. ;___; )

I voted for japanese, crouch, shield line, etc.

About being able to edit the text... the plugin will be released as open source software, everyone can edit it anyway...

But still I would be happy to have a consistent official release plugin so that people won't get confused when the different (inofficial) translations collide.

I just wanna be able to read it you could keep the voice work in japanese.

i doubt theyd even consider doing english voice work lol..

im cool with original japanese. just as long as the work ethic sticks and everyone finishes it, id honestly not care how, just as long as its english lol.

I wouldnt mind giving my voice to Crouch. Just wondering if it fits him. xD

hmm I dunno about english voiceovers....

you could end up getting many fanboys pissed(?)

well all in all.... I support the idea of a TRUE JP translation.
screw the localization.... screw the US censorship.... if at any part of the game
the characters swear... keep it as is.... much better overall

PSU is an abomination so keep terms like line out of my psp

As long i can play it i'm fine with both cases, no real preference really

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Originally Posted by Alisha

PSU is an abomination so keep terms like line out of my psp

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Such terms are part of the original canon are they not?

Anyway, voted for any of both. While consistencies have already been shot, I think the majority sees fit to have this game to be as close as possible to what the original is supposed to be. My only quip with translations was the result of Crouch being Kraz for this translation, since I'm a firm believer for consistency. But I'm sure a lot of us would like such inconsistent terms such as MySynth, Weave, Synths, Tumikiri-Hyouri, and that dreaded poor choice of calling Reverser: (Giresta), gone.

I don't care if its Japanese or English. i understand the game enough where i can just go and play without worrying about mistakes xD however id like to know the story .__.

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Originally Posted by Tyreek

Such terms are part of the original canon are they not?

Anyway, voted for any of both. While consistencies have already been shot, I think the majority sees fit to have this game to be as close as possible to what the original is supposed to be. My only quip with translations was the result of Crouch being Kraz for this translation, since I'm a firm believer for consistency. But I'm sure a lot of us would like such inconsistent terms such as MySynth, Weave, Synths, Tumikiri-Hyouri, and that dreaded poor choice of calling Reverser: (Giresta), gone.

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actually its not called reverser in PSP jp but regene

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Originally Posted by Tyreek

Such terms are part of the original canon are they not?

Anyway, voted for any of both. While consistencies have already been shot, I think the majority sees fit to have this game to be as close as possible to what the original is supposed to be. My only quip with translations was the result of Crouch being Kraz for this translation, since I'm a firm believer for consistency. But I'm sure a lot of us would like such inconsistent terms such as MySynth, Weave, Synths, Tumikiri-Hyouri, and that dreaded poor choice of calling Reverser: (Giresta), gone.

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This is pretty much exactly how I feel about it.

Names are fine. Stupid inconsistencies with PSU/PSP1 need to be fixed for damn sure though, since those games stayed mostly accurate to JP while PSP2 pretty much threw all of it out the window and renamed everything for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Alisha

actually its not called reverser in PSP jp but regene

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I'm aware of the original name. And in Giresta in the JP version is still Giresta. A technic that causes hp regen and revival. A certain technic that was confirmed GONE from PSP2. That's the point I'm making here. Its not in this game, so why would you blatantly take Reverser, which was well known in the series enough, and call it Giresta?

What was the result when this happened? Confusion.

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Any of the both is fine by me...

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this is for me :D

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Originally Posted by Tyreek

I'm aware of the original name. And in Giresta in the JP version is still Giresta. A technic that causes hp regen and revival. A certain technic that was confirmed GONE from PSP2. That's the point I'm making here. Its not in this game, so why would you blatantly take Reverser, which was well known in the series enough, and call it Giresta?

What was the result when this happened? Confusion.

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by that logic it would make more sense to call it anti

True enough, but Anti was never in PSU, instead they made it inherent to Reverser. True, when I first played PSU, I was absolutely confused as to why Reverser wouldn't revive anybody. But then I found they gave that ability to a new technic. Giresta in PSP2 on the other hand was absolutely unnecessary, since when they were in production from making the game, they said it was one of many techs removed from the game.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there an ability available to Type LV 50 Force that causes Reverser to revive upon cast? That right there would be an absolute PSO throwback, as that is what it originally did.

I vote for the original Japanese text- This is mainly since I've played it in Japanese (because I know Japanese), but would also like to play it in English as well (I don't have item names down. D:)

That being said, I would definitely support being able to edit the translation for my own use, as there is no reason for all of it to be in English for me. Since I do read along, I would find hearing the Japanese voice and reading the English text to be very confusing.

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Originally Posted by CocoaTan

I would find hearing the Japanese voice and reading the English text to be very confusing.

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This is actually what I'm looking forward to most. Being able to enjoy the story anime-sub style :D Although I only understand a little bit of japanese so far. So it's actually helpful for me to be able to match the words I'm hearing to the words I'm reading.

I voted for the original japanese. Though I honestly couldn't care less as long as you guys finish it! Please don't let this difference of opinion stop you from finishing the patch. A lot of us are waiting with baited breath now. We're counting on you ^^b

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Originally Posted by Muketsu

This is actually what I'm looking forward to most. Being able to enjoy the story anime-sub style :D Although I only understand a little bit of japanese so far. So it's actually helpful for me to be able to match the words I'm hearing to the words I'm reading.

I voted for the original japanese. Though I honestly couldn't care less as long as you guys finish it! Please don't let this difference of opinion stop you from finishing the patch. A lot of us are waiting with baited breath now. We're counting on you ^^b

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Agree!!

JP voice and english text is something i do enjoy.
At least when i bothered to watch Bleach...which is like on what episode now?
>.o

Go with the US translation. Mainly for constancy purposes.

I'm fine with Japanese voices with English text. I'm used to visual novels and subtitled anime.

However, if you want an English voice cast, I know some people...

I know that you're not the first person who's asked something like that before, but the idea of replacing the Japanese Audio with English Pre-Recorded Audio would be too large of an endeavor to take on in itself at this point in time--if ever.

From a technological standpoint, the only thing the patch is doing is swapping out strings of Japanese text with re-written English text.

For inserting any kind of newly-recorded Audio into Infinity, it would certainly require the digital download version of the game itself to be basically "taken apart" with the vocal audio taken out and then reinserted into the game--creating an entirely new Disc Image of the game itself.

Either that, or it would take a huge, HUGE patch to do the job. I'm talking hundreds of Megabytes, instead of the English text patch being roughly an estimated 5 MB large when it's finished.

I think that's one thing that a lot of people overlook. When it comes to data in respects towards media, audio files are usually the largest pieces of data. Far more so than video, and much more so than text.

Bottom Line: The focus is on text translations right now.

Yup as Devi said, it would require a biiiggg patch, however technically easy to do. :)

i wonder if something like that woud be possible with the music discs. ive read about something similar done with dissidia.

Most likely.

The patch will be hella big anyway though... we gotta record, subtitle, and reencode the story movies afterall... that part will be the biggest part of the patch I think.

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Yup as Devi said, it would require a biiiggg patch, however technically easy to do. :)

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Again, it's an option. Plus, I have experience working with voice overs, which is why I mentioned it.

Off topic, but what other patches have you made coldbird?

.hack Fragment Translation Patch
Dynasty Warriors 2nd Evolution Translation Patch (I destroyed it after the US version was announced)
Tales of Symphonia PS2 Translation Patch (I never released that one though... it never came out of the "Menu Translation Only" phase though... I used the english Gamecube version as main source for english data... the PS2 version was Japanese only...)

And most likely a few other patches that I simply forgot about.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you also have a helping hand in the God Eater Patch? If so, I'm assuming this patch will work the same as the God Eater Patch. And if it does, doesnt that make this poll kinda pointless because you could edit the text file yourself? lol

Oh yes how could I forget the GE Patch...
Knew I forgot something...

And yes, the text will be freely editable.

I still need to think of a better buffering system for the patch code... right now it's just a testmodule that embeds the text into the module itself...

However we only have about 300KB memory to work with... means I gotta think of a good IO buffering method.

Its late though, I will think about this some more in the coming days.

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I still need to think of a better buffering system for the patch code... right now it's just a testmodule that embeds the text into the module itself...

However we only have about 300KB memory to work with... means I gotta think of a good IO buffering method.

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How about using Translation Patch, not a Plugin (I mean directly replace text inside the iso)? Will it solve this problem?

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Originally Posted by Helel

How about using Translation Patch, not a Plugin (I mean directly replace text inside the iso)? Will it solve this problem?

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Directly translating the text in the ISO won't do us UMD users any good.

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Directly translating the text in the ISO won't do us UMD users any good.

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You, UMD users can't make ISO from your UMD? ;)

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Originally Posted by Helel

You, UMD users can't make ISO from your UMD? ;)

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No idea how. If it involves opening the casing and ruining the game I'm out.

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No idea how. If it involves opening the casing and ruining the game I'm out.

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You CAN make ISO form your UMD, but if you don't know how, you can just download one from the Internet, and use it. Right?

All you are require to have for getting your game's ISO is to have CFW, a USB, and your UMD. You change a certain function for your USB with the CFW, and voila, you can explore your UMD instead of your memory stick. Inside will be your game's ISO file, just copy it and put it somewhere on your drive and you got yourself a fresh ISO game file. I did that for my copy of PSP2 since the UMD loading was aggravating me.

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All you are require to have for getting your game's ISO is to have CFW, a USB, and your UMD. You change a certain function for your USB with the CFW, and voila, you can explore your UMD instead of your memory stick. Inside will be your game's ISO file, just copy it and put it somewhere on your drive and you got yourself a fresh ISO game file. I did that for my copy of PSP2 since the UMD loading was aggravating me.

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Lol you don't want to see the loading times on my Infinity upon start up. It literally takes about 30 seconds to load up my characters and it takes about a minute to load up the game. XD Thankfully after that the loading times are servery reduced and fine before and after missions. And I have PSN Version at that too.

Dont worry guys the patch will be a memory patch, but still I tell you...
If possible make a ISO, it's so much faster in loading than UMD.

ISOs surpass UMD by a lot

(one of the reasons why SONY sells digital versions of existing UMD's as well...
deep down they knew the UMD format failed... and also works to get them extra $$$
but that's for another time...)

I voted for the US translations because I like the consistency, but when it comes down to it, I don't really care, I just want to be able to view my weapons in English, that would make finding them in the bank so much easier. Keep up the great work guys, I'm really looking forward to this patch.

either is good with me, honestly though, whatever the people doing this translation prefer, whether they like it better or its just easier on them. ;)

hey Im a Huge kenka bancho fan and im glad I finaly found someone that can translate the game for some strange reason the kenka bancho series doesnt get enough attention but i just wanted to say thank you for making a translation for this game

Vanguard is all I care to be translated right.
I mean - the naming scheme!
HuMar
FoMar
RaMar
...BrMar? VaMar sounds better.

Two letters, vowel second, can be used as a syllable, sounds AWESOMER.

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Originally Posted by Nidramag

Vanguard is all I care to be translated right.
I mean - the naming scheme!
HuMar
FoMar
RaMar
...BrMar? VaMar sounds better.

Two letters, vowel second, can be used as a syllable, sounds AWESOMER.

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Vamar sounds much better to me as well. Hmm what would you call a beast or duman combo? Yes I know dumans and beasts might not be in pso2 and dumans most likely wouldnt be. But i wonder what it woud sound like if they were.

I maybe late,but I would be happy even with both.Its a good idea to learn other cultures and try to get a good view of both sides.I even ordered psp2i from Japan after playing the demo and I liked what I saw.I have no problem with learning other cultures.

I think only the "essential" things should be in English, the rest can be in Japanese. An example of this would be MHP3rd patch.

Ok let's be thoughtful, not everyone here can read japanese kanji but are huge PSO/PSI fans and not some otaku that have invested time into learning japanese. The original. Jp texts are very strange to most players who do not fi.de japanese.ear names all that cool. Crouch? Would you name your son that or want a friend who's name is o e letter away from spelling "crotch"? NA spelled translated the game to sound appealing to the general public. I suggest you take the same route.

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Ok let's be thoughtful, not everyone here can read japanese kanji but are huge PSO/PSI fans and not some otaku that have invested time into learning japanese. The original. Jp texts are very strange to most players who do not fi.de japanese.ear names all that cool. Crouch? Would you name your son that or want a friend who's name is o e letter away from spelling "crotch"? NA spelled translated the game to sound appealing to the general public. I suggest you take the same route.

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I currently use a Japanese alphabet that I saw on the net and a buddy of mine who's in the Navy to help me out with some of the translations because hes stationed in Japan,told him about the game and he even said and I quote.."Japanese are very smart,they spend over 13 hours a day up to 6 days a week in school".I don't find anything strange about Japanese text,one symbol can make up to a full word or sentence in some cases.If there was an option to change the language in the game to JP>NA or NA>JP that would be pretty cool to be honest,but I won't force this on anyone who makes the games,I'll be ordering my games from Japan now,some NA games are alright,but I would like to try there games since this is going on.