Yep, the board 'glitch' is fixed.

[Dymalos]

Yes and we still can. Honestly speaking, I use the hell out of the Synth Glitch. So go on and call me whatever you'd like. I'm on the 360, so we didn't get that influx of duped Meseta, which means I can't just sell a De Regan tail and go out and buy 2 more 9* Boards. Thats 165k a board and I only make about 20k or so an hour grinding, it's not like I still don't lose out on a failed synth. Heck I've gone on a streak of 9 failures on a 7* before, thats at a supposed 60% when it comes down to it, I still lose abunch of meseta in mats.

[Sitka]

On 2007-01-19 13:18, Dymalos wrote:
Yes and we still can. Honestly speaking, I use the hell out of the Synth Glitch. So go on and call me whatever you'd like. I'm on the 360, so we didn't get that influx of duped Meseta, which means I can't just sell a De Regan tail and go out and buy 2 more 9* Boards. Thats 165k a board and I only make about 20k or so an hour grinding, it's not like I still don't lose out on a failed synth. Heck I've gone on a streak of 9 failures on a 7* before, thats at a supposed 60% when it comes down to it, I still lose abunch of meseta in mats.

Agreed and agreed. This game is hugely expensive for what you get and I've been grinding for close to 1,000 hours on my four charactes with minimal "uber" to show for it. In many ways, I do prefer the game play and drop system on the old PSO platforms, the ability to earn s-rank custom weapons based on your skill at playing and many other features. Personally, I hate synthing and grinding, but because it's part of the game, I do the best I can with it.

PSU is a game designed to give people enjoyment and to escape from the realities of every day life. After 1000 or so hours of grinding, you should be able to enjoy some fun stuff to play with and not get frustrated with dozens of failed synths and grinds. So, exploiting a stupid save board glitch to save a tiny bit of meseta is pretty fricking small in the big picture of things. Those of us on xbox are not awash with easy meseta as they appear to be on the other platforms.

[Niki]

Exploits are foul play, but I don't consider them cheats. I don't cheat, and I don't exploit unless the game is, to use a technical term, stupid.

On 2007-01-19 13:18, Dymalos wrote:
Yes and we still can. Honestly speaking, I use the hell out of the Synth Glitch. So go on and call me whatever you'd like. I'm on the 360, so we didn't get that influx of duped Meseta, which means I can't just sell a De Regan tail and go out and buy 2 more 9* Boards. Thats 165k a board and I only make about 20k or so an hour grinding, it's not like I still don't lose out on a failed synth. Heck I've gone on a streak of 9 failures on a 7* before, thats at a supposed 60% when it comes down to it, I still lose a bunch of meseta in mats.

Amen. The Synth system is broken as hell, and shame on ST that we still hear new stories about this every day. Actually, shame on us for even trying to Synth and use the game as intended... <_<

On 2007-01-19 10:47, Sitka wrote:
Exploiting a glitch that gives you uber weapons or uber meseta or uber experience without having to play the game is bad for the game and bad for the players who choose not to exploit that glitch.

True [though I disagree in the case of Synth], but since it's actually worst for the company that wants you to spend money every month for years on end to acquire said item/cash/level instead of working an exploit for a few minutes...well, you see where I'm going with this...

Typical ST support; minimal effort, minimal effect.

[Cav]

You guys say "influx of duped meseta" like everyone is overpricing for the sake of dupers, not everyone did. The only way to make money was to cut certain costs out (like the board) but now that it's gone profit goes poof too. I never priced stuff for dupers, always prices legit people could afford :/ which is my point why this screws over the non dupers since you want to get into semantics of whether legit is an acceptable term.

[Reiichi]

Were you making a profit prior to 9* boards being sold by the NPC? People were dumping 8*s for 100k and under or even giving them away (and even some 9* now too).

Also, 'prices legit people could afford' is a gray area. At what point does a weapon sale enter the duper territory? Or perhaps the 'selling to a person who made millions selling ray-photons' territory? The actual number of dupers is few. The number of people who have money that originated from dupers is probably 95%+.

Cost of a 9* weapon at 55% now: 91.5k in NPC materials. 1k in photons (100 each to be legit). 55k for one board use. At 55% success rate you break even at 268k selling price without using the board glitch. Sell at 300k for 32k profit. Sell for more for more profit. Get a higher % and sell for even more profit.

What kind of legit person who is barely pushing 300k would fork over all that money on a trash elemental 9* is beyond me. I don't think 'legit' people even buy 9*. They just settle on good elemental 4-6*. No doubt the 9* market on the 360 is small because money is scarce.

I don't consider selling elemental photons for 1k+ to be legit either, but that's just me.

[Gojin]

Well atleast sega cant do anything about all the duped meseta, ha ha sega are such noobs, Im a millionare!

[Jife_Jifremok]

Considering the time and money that was spent raising a PM to a pure 100, it's complete bullocks that it still has less than 50% chance to make a damn Phantom rifle. At least with the board glitch there wouldn't be any need to buy a new board. Oh shit, I hope the Degahna Cannon has a good synth % then...nothing like finding the rare board, getting the rare materials and then having the PM fuck it all up and completely mangle all the work that was put into finding the stuff! I wouldn't wanna do another shitload of Adahna Degahna runs just for another chance for an uber-rare Monomate!

[Cav]

On 2007-01-19 15:55, Reiichi wrote:
Were you making a profit prior to 9* boards being sold by the NPC? People were dumping 8*s for 100k and under or even giving them away (and even some 9* now too).

Also, 'prices legit people could afford' is a gray area. At what point does a weapon sale enter the duper territory? Or perhaps the 'selling to a person who made millions selling ray-photons' territory? The actual number of dupers is few. The number of people who have money that originated from dupers is probably 95%+.

Cost of a 9* weapon at 55% now: 91.5k in NPC materials. 1k in photons (100 each to be legit). 55k for one board use. At 55% success rate you break even at 268k selling price without using the board glitch. Sell at 300k for 32k profit. Sell for more for more profit. Get a higher % and sell for even more profit.

What kind of legit person who is barely pushing 300k would fork over all that money on a trash elemental 9* is beyond me. I don't think 'legit' people even buy 9*. They just settle on good elemental 4-6*. No doubt the 9* market on the 360 is small because money is scarce.

I don't consider selling elemental photons for 1k+ to be legit either, but that's just me.

91.5k? vulca 72k + ebon 36k + 7.5k A metal (115.5k this is also melee weapons, gun market is really skewed because of no % and wand market is good because of the annoyance to raise a tech pm) x3 + board 165k = 511.5k to break even. selling at 300k each assuming you succeed 2(lol) you make 90k, after having failed 4 in a row, twice I do begin to doubt the 50% aspect. Though other threads have been over this so I won't rehash here.

[DarkSeph]

On 2007-01-19 12:01, Arislan wrote:
Except that the board glitch still kills your mats Kyres. You just have the synth charge still. So it still wastes the meseta and time. Given that it falls under the same thing as piping/door glitching in terms of in-game abilities: Simply unplug your ethernet cable while you're sitting at the "You got a Monomate!" prompt, before the take out item prompt. Congrats, you get disconnected, can reconnect and cancel the synth. At least, on 360. No longer on PS2/PC.



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......the logic behind what you just said brings up an interesting conclusion.......you basically either win or lose the very moment you start the synth....why?....because if you could simply disconnect and then cancel I am assuming you would WANT to cancel because the outcome of trying again would be the same, ie: a monomate. Therefore, time is irrelevant due to that outcome always being the same, it's just a stupid addition to the synthing process that makes you wonder for hours on end if you succeeded or failed....

understand?



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[Reiichi]

You need 6 vulk. 6 x 8k = 48k. Synth more please.

48k + 36k + 7.5k = 91.5k
91.5k x 3 + 165k board = 439.5k

If you synth 1/3 you lose, if you synth 2/3 you win. In the long run you'll go slightly better than 50/50 overall unless you are synthing nothing but swords.

Consider the long term rather than praying for 1/3 successes on every board. I've failed 7 in a row, it happens sometimes.

In the event you do synth 9* guns and wands, add another 15k for extra metals. But in those markets there's no point to dump trash equipment since there is no trash. A phantom is a phantom. There's no reason for rich people to sell 9* guns and wands for less than it costs to make. No point to discuss those markets.