The Compendium of PS Theories (chpt 1-8)

[DurakkenX]

It is my hope with this to have all the theories of the games listed here, focusing mainly on PSO and PSU, with all their facts and whether they are true, false, or unknown...Please correct me if I get anything wrong or add in whatever I forget.

Before we start these are the 7 chapters that will be included within this compendium and to jump to each one you can use the find function of your browser to put in CHPT# and replace # with the chapter number to jump down the page. This is list is also not complete as of right now cuz that's a lot of writing, but this will eventually get done...even though people prolly won't look at it.

<--CHPT1: All games in the PS series are connected -->
<--CHPT2: Rare Items of PSO -->
<--CHPT3: Item Drop theories of PSO -->
<--CHPT4: Misc. myths/theoris of PSO -->
<--CHPT5: Rare Items of PSU -->
<--CHPT6: Item Drop theories of PSU -->
<--CHPT7: Misc. myths/theories of PSU -->

CHPT1: All games in the PS series are connected.

Ragol is Earth.
Facts
Ragol has 2 moons.
Ragol does not look like Earth though many claim it does.
Ragol as Earth has been denied by Sonic Team.

Verdict: Ragol is NOT Earth.

The Spaceship ruins on Ragol is the Alissa 3.
Facts
The Alissa 3 is a ship that either crashed into a terrestrial planet or Luna, the moon of Earth.
The terrestrial planet that the Alissa 3 landed on vaguely resembles Ragol.
Dark Falz was sealed via three totems carrying the words "muut ditz pumm" on board the ruins that resembles an esper seal of the original series.
A character that some say resembles Lutz can be seen in the ending credits of PSO.

Verdict: The ruins of Ragol is MAY BE the Alissa 3.

Lutz can be seen in the ending credits of PSO
Facts
A character some say resembles Lutz can be seen in the credits.
Under closer inspection Lutz and this character do not look alike.
Sonic Team denies this.

Verdict: Lutz does NOT appear in the ending credits.

Gurhal is really Algol and Ragol is Ryukros.
Facts
Gurhal and Algol both have 3 main habited planets.
Gurhal and Ragol both have evidence of ancient civilizations on them.
Palma was destroyed in the official time-line of the original series. Parum in this theory would be Palma which obviously still exists. However if you take temporal mechanics into account or place Gurhal civilization before the Algol civilization Palma can still exist and thus this means nothing.
Ragol is the place of Dark Falz's sealing.
Ryukros is the warning of Dark Force's seal weaking.
Gurhal's and Algol's entire system act as the seal on the SEED/Dark Force.
As far as known Ragol isn't near Gurhal.
Sonic Team has stated that PSO is in the same universe.

Verdict: Gurhal is COULD BE Algol and Ragol is NOT Ryukros.

Overall
Thoughts: While there are many common elements in all three games so far Sonic Team has maintained that they are not connected. This is the main deciding factor of why they are not connected. There is evidence that PSO was meant to be a continuation or a new piece to the original series through out the game and that many of these elements were slightly altered to make it untrue. PSU, however, was originally supposed to be a continuation of PSO and was marketed as the next step, but later most mentions of PSO in trailers were removed. With the new expansion of PSU it seems that PSO's Ragol will be added to the mix and create a connection between the two games. If this happens it could be said that PSO/PSU is a re-envisioning of the original series, but not a continuation.

Verdict: PSO and PSU MAY BE connected to PS, but are PROBABLY connected to each other.

CHPT2: Rare Items of PSO
To get Parasitic Gene Flow/Red Ring you must defeat Olga Flow/Dark Dalz with Red series weapon/Dark Flow series weapon and then wait for it to drop/stay in the room and do something and then Flowen/Rico will appear and give you the item
Facts
Both of these items are dropped from their respective owners
Both have drop rates set to 0
Both require the other to get if I recall

Verdict: FALSE. These never made it into the game legitimately

Egg Blaster, Sonic Knuckles, Lavis Cannon, Orotiagito drops off an enemy.
Facts
Egg Blaster, Sonic Knuckles, and Lavis Cannon were originally prizes for events in Japan and were never offered to NA/EU players till ep1&2 when they did became creatable or drops. Sonic Kn
Orotiagito does not drop off an enemy, but the unidentified version does.

Verdict: Semi-False. Originally they weren't but in the latest version they are.

The Book of Katana 1-4 which are not listed on PSO world for some reason are useless.
Facts
These books were originally used in v1 & v2 along with the unidentified real version or fake version of agito to create Orotiagito and Oraotiagito (also not listed for some reason) respectively. The second was changed into a dropped weapon of a different name.
In later versions of PSO the books weren't used but still dropped.

Verdict: Semi-False. Originally they were used for something, but later they just became a redundancy.

The Books of Katana before if gathered and given to the NPC that identifies the real version of Agito without an Agito will create the Orotiagito/Oraotiagito from them.
Facts
The books if given to the NPC in the original version with a version of the Agito would create one of the two swords. This was believed because of the redundancy that they were and not taken out.

Verdict: False

All theories concerning Tsumikiri J-Sword
All of them are false. No legit J-sword is known to have existed or proven to have existed. The most popular theory include killing 10000 mobs and then "using" with Sealed J-Sword. There is a known counter on it, but there have been no tests on whether this does anything or not and it cannot be proved with a hacked Sealed J-Sword because the counter bit for some reason erases itself. Also not many have found the Sealed version legitimately and even less have tried to actually attempt the killing of that many mobs in one sitting. If they have they also have not had reliable witnesses. If wish to know more about this weapon there are much longer and more in depth articles on it than I am willing to write >.>

The Photon Whip
Facts
All through out PSO's history it was rumored that there was a weapon called the photon whip.
In PSII there is a whip.
In PSU there will soon be a photon whip.
Hacking of every item in PSO and testing of these Hacks have proven that this item does not exist in PSO.

Verdict: FALSE

CHPT3: Item Drop theories of PSO
Facts
.Beat time drop frequency: At certain beat time counts a weapon is more likely to drop
Beat time effects some weapons' specials.
This theory has been tested.
This theory has not been proven, but there are proponents of it.

Verdict: Unknown - Because different weapons may rely on this while others may not and because enough tests as performed will result in anything like this being true it cannot be said whether it is true or not, but more than likely it is False.

CHPT4: Misc. myths/theoris of PSO
The medical lab doors and sparkle circle
Facts
During the early days of PSO it was rumored that the doors of the medical bay if you did something would open up to reveal something.
The Sparkle circle on the left side of the medical lab appeared during some quests in a few versions of PSO, but did nothing, but was rumored to lead to somewhere.
The Sparkle circle during a few quests later led to an area of ruins where there was nothing, but you could cause a certain weapon to transform and during another limited time only quest led to a place to exchange your rewards for another reward.

Verdict: Originally FALSE, but later implemented quests made some of the rumors TRUE.

CHPT5: Rare Items of PSU
Using higher level non-elemental photons in a synth will raise the star level of the item
Facts
Using them lowers synth success rate to near 0%
No one has succeeded at a synth that results in higher star level items and reported it.
Successful synths that have been reported have all proven this false.

Verdict: There are no known synths that this is true for, but it may be true with some synths.

CHPT6: Item Drop theories of PSU
Killing a MOB in a certain amount of time after their spawn effects their drop
Facts
There are no tests that prove this.
Since higher levels can kill faster and more drops will come up a certain way.

Verdict: FALSE. This is most likely an illusion.

Placing decorations in the various slots of a players room increases drop rates and/or effects what items may drop.
Facts
The slots in "my room" are various colors that match colors of dropped items.
Some people have noticed that upon switching items they get more or less drops, but later seem to have no effect.
Mods on official boards have denied this.

Verdict: While not unquestionably proven false it is very close and should be considered FALSE as any truth to it is very limited.

There are hidden section IDs that effects what you get.
Facts
People have seen that some of their characters good really good drops on certain maps while others do not.
There is no known proof against this sited yet.

Verdict: UNKNOWN

CHPT7: Misc. myths/theories of PSU
There are no general theories and or myths so far for PSU.

CHPT8: Why hackers became prevalent in PSO
In the beginning of PSO all was hack free and the servers were linked, but later PSO became known as the most openly hacked online game.

BEFORE hacking became common place most of the codes that became common were well known and already listed on a site, but there were not many hackers around and those that were were dealt with fairly quickly at first. One must ask then what happened that changed the tide? To understand why this happened you must understand what happened around that time.

There were two tournaments that took place. One was Japanese and exclusified to them. The reward for this tournament was the Lavis Cannon, the best weapon in the game. The other tournament was mainly for NA/EU, but the JP could compete. The reward for this tournament was to NAME the Durandel. The winner did not get the weapon which was bad enough and the weapon was a very low end rare about as good as a DB'S SABER which were already considered common-place then.

The results from this was #1 people became mad that they could not get the best weapon in the game and turned to the only way they could, hacking. #2 The winner of this tournament had also traded this weapon seeing that he could get more weapons for it or he duplicated it for his friends so they could have it. These friends duplicated for their friends and thus spread that plague. #3 The GMs themselves were outraged by this event and ended up passing out a few Lavis Cannons themselves. These same GMs were in charge of the system and when this happened they became more tolerant of hacks.

Once this happened and people saw that people weren't getting banned for their indiscretions more and more people began to hack. Some for fun. Some out of the hatred of the unfairness. Regardless of that people began to divide between 2 groups; Legits and Hackers. However, less known is that Hackers began to factionalize into their views of the situation.

The first group became malevolent hackers that are the most known and most pointed out. The second group became hackers that were against the malevolent usage of hacks. The third group was those who hacked only because it added to their game play experience, or because they liked to experiment with the coding to see what they could create.

by this time hacking had grown too rampant to stop and many hackers and legits had grown accustomed to the playing field so that when PSO left the DC many of these same people jumped to the new versions and found new ways to implement their old tactics.

This is why Hacking became prevalent in PSO. Personally, I have no idea why it wasn't fixed in the GameCube version, but in the Xbox version where it was less intense the reasoning behind that was because SoA and MS couldn't figure out how to work together.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: DurakkenX on 2007-03-04 11:53 ]</font>

[Genji]

I don't know if these tidbits will be of any use:

- Versus 1 Tricktrack is actually an arrangement of the Bioplant BGM from Phantasy Star IV

- Holtes City in PSU is clearly a reference to Professor Holt from Phantasy Star IV

[DurakkenX]

cool ^.^ unfortunately those are references, not theories or myths so i don't think they can be used...maybe in the future they will be though

[Sinue_v2]

You're wrong on nearly all points concerning the Alisa III not being the spaceship ruins.

1. The Alisa III (depending on the ending) landed on two well known areas. One, being current-day Earth, the other being a terran planet with two moons. Similar to Ragol.

2. The Alisa III never tried to crash into a planet to destory Dark Force. In one ending, the Dark Force tried to send the Alisa III careening into a sun - but he was thwarted. This is actually how the inhabitants of the Alisa III came to be on said planet. Another ending had them headding towards a black hole - which resulted in them traveling back in time to Earth. While some endings contradict what some of us have come to know as "unofficail canon" - the true ending to the series still remains a mystery. It could very well either be Ragol or Earth that the Alisa III is supposed to land on.

3. The seal on he spaceship ruins closely resembles an Esper Symbol - much like the one that Rune Walsh wears in PSIV (Mike Ripplinger points this out). However, the presence of the Nei Weapons and Armor on the Alisa III is at least suggestive that some Espers were aboard the Alisa III at some point. The old men of Sage Isle are likely canidates of being decedants of Espers considering their knowladge of Nei weapons and dark force.

4. The character in the PSO v.2 ending of PSO does not resemble Lutz. In fact, you never really see that character in clear detail. However, he was a character model you could use if you cheated on the game. Knowing several modders and cheaters on v.1/v.2 - I've seen the "Ninja/FOmar" and he looks NOTHING like Lutz.

5. Sonic Team has also eluded to connections before - and continually kept putting new connections into the series with each new itteration. We never had a clear "Yes or No" answer to that question - since we've heard both sides of the spectrum from ST - but since there was no quest or storyline event with a clear and undenyable connection to PS - most fans have conceded to the view that they are not connected. That is the way I will believe - at least offically - until ST says otherwise.

However the evidence is there - and the Space Ship Ruins in PSO more than adequately fit the bill fo the shelled out hulk of the Alisa III. Right down to the two-mooned planet it resides on.

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Gurhal is Algol, Ragol is Ryukros

1. True. Both Gurhal and Algol share similar solar systems.

2. True, both civilizations have evidence of ancient advanced civilizations predating them. Though in PS it was a civilization millions of years old. In PSU, it's merely 18,000 years old.

3. Palma was destoryed in ALL continuities of PS. This is undenyable. If there was a connection - Parum could be an ancient Palma set millions of years before the original PS took place. Orbits and Climate doesn't matter - as even within the 3,000 years of Algolian history - the face of the solar system has changed VERY dramatically. One cannot say what changes might have taken place over millsions of years.

4. Ragol was indeed the place of Dark Falz's sealing. Though it's not like he hasn't been sealed before. Remember, that it wasn't until you drew Orakio's Sword that Dark Force was set free from his Pandora's box in the sunken palace. So it's not like the people of the Alisa III didn't have the knowladge or the drive to seal him.

5. Ryukros was absolutely NOT the place of Dark Force's sealing. The Algol main Solar System was the place of the Darkness's sealing - and Ryukros was created only as a warning star which approached the solar system once every 1,000 years when the seal weakened to remind the guardians of each planet what their true purpose was. Ryukros holds the final and most powerful armorment against the evil and corruption of the Rift where the Profound Darkness calls it's home. Each ring (which protects the heros of PSIV) was held by a remnant of the Great Light left behind on Ryukros until the time when those worthy and capable of destorying the darkness once and for all appeared.

6. We don't know. Nothing has been said pro or contratry to that statement.

7. This has already been covered - and Sonic Team has previously denied any link between PSO and PSU as well.

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Ragol Is Not Earth

1. True - though at the time when the "Ragol Is Earth" theory was first proposed - Ep I & II hadn't been released. That is the version which first proved that Ragol had two moons.

2. Actually, the Ragol you know is much different than the ragol which was originally presented to players. In the earliest advertisements up until it's launch - Ragol was a direct carbon copy of earth. Even after v.2's release - looking out the window where the Hunter's Guild Counter was - you could clearly see the Arabian Peninsula, Africa, and even North America & the florida peninsula quite clearly and well distinquished. The very shape of Ragol's land masses lead many to believe that Ragol actually was a far distant Earth - and that the ruins were the remains of he Alisa III which traveled back in time to the earth, and gave the Earth people both the technology to destroy themselves, and the power to seek out Algol and try to destory that as well.

3. That particular theory has never been confirmed or denied by Sonic Team. It simply never came up in any press release or quest that I can recall.

[DurakkenX]

I'll go through this one piece at a time...

1. random planet is a true statement as it is a random planet. Terran refers to a planet that is owned by earthlings so that is an inaccurate statement.

2. can't argue with you there.

3. yup that is true i just didn't want to go into so much detail

4. I haven't studied either characters appearance, but it really doesn't matter...this is part of the connection of what people say is there ^.^

5. Sonic Team has at one point said they are not connected. I dont remember where, but I know it was a statement made by a ST member, whether it was an official statement or not I would not say. There is only evidence that it WAS supposed to be connect and ended up not being.

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1. Thanks for agreeing with me there...glad we both can count lol

2. Actually the civ on gurhal is 12000 years old and there was no civ in algol it was only stated there there was two forces that fought...not two civilizations. I may be wrong about this, but i would assume that something about another civ would turn up in at least one of the several time lines i looked at. None have it so I must assume that you are wrong on this point.

3. ok see...this is where people don't follow. I may be wrong because i haven't played the game so i don't know directly BUT from what I have been told it is the earthlings' actions that cause the moon to crash into the planet and thus if you remove the earthlings Palma is not destroyed. Because of the temporal mechanics...if the Alissa 3 is on ragol and not on earth like we are led to believe by the inferences we must assume that the earthlings never reached Algol because they never had the tech to do so. This would then mean that Palma was not destroyed and let free to become Parum. This would be an unofficially done time line simply because it's really hard to explain that the other 3 games didn't happen and hence aren't connected.

4. Most places i have read from say that he's sealed on ryukros...but then again i have heard what you have said too so it may be either and i'm willnig to bet it's more your way than the way i said. (and i have to fix the spelling of ryukros booo)

5 & 6. already covered...

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1. really? I thought that was established in the first version...oh well can't remember everything lol.

2. I have taken my char as close to that image as possible and that has never been the case. People saw only faint look alike to what earth look liked. Ragol is definately similiar looking, but it has never looked exact nor near enough to be mistaken except by people who didn't look close enough.

3. once again covered...

i will revise the OT soon...but not right now..playing game lol

[Sinue_v2]

1. I refer to "Terran" as a green habitable world that is primed for human colonisation.

4. People who say that the character at the Pandora's Box in PSO is Lutz are full of shit.

5. They have boh said that it was, and was not connected. I don't have an "offical" linakable source either - but they have flip-flopped on the issue.

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2. I believe that the ancient Civ is 18,000 years old. I'll double-check on my next playtrhough (I'm on my third already). As for ancient civilisations - there are tons of them in Algol. We're not really exposed to any - but as I said, several millions of years have passed since the war between the Light and Darkness. Civilisation is bound to have risen and fallen several times over in that time span. We simply don't know much about Algol before the Waizz compaign to unify the planet's various feuding governments under a single banner. As for the Great Light and Profound Darkness - they were a civilisation. The battle between light and darkness was a civil war. The darkness wasn't even evil at first - they were just the defeated of the spiritual race. They became evil over the millions upon millions of years of inprisonment.

In any case - all I'm saying is that between the time the Great light sealed the darkness away - and the time of Phantasy Star I's opening (342 years after Waizz) there is litteraly eons upon eons of time in which ancient civilsations have risen and fallen. Some more tecnicaly advanced - some less so. We don't know... but you can't say that there weren't ancient civilisations in Algol, because there most certainly was.

3. No. Mother Brain crashes the prison sattelite Gaira into Palma, destorying it. Though she did do this at the Earthmen's direction - who were in turned influenced by Dark Force. The main reason for getting rid of Palma (rather than colonising it) is because Palma was still the seat of Algolian government - and would have put up a fierce resistance even in their weakened state.

You cannot take the Earthlings out of the picture. There is no "alternate" timeline for PSII in which they don't appear. They are there - and the idea that the Alisa III is responsible for earthling's advanced technology is a bit of an assumption that many fans have made. Nowhere in the games, compendium, books, or various mangas/radioplays does it make mention of the Earthlings getting their technology from the Alisa III. We very well could have reached that technological state on our own.

There is NO, I repeat - NO - scenario in which Palma isn't destoryed in offical Phantasy Star lore. If you actually want to see an offical timeline - then check out the website in my sig, which was compiled by Louise Champ from offical sources (the compendium, the games, ect).

4. I'd love to see links to these places that say the Darkness was sealed on Ryukros. This is the first I've heard anyone even mention such a thing. Certainly never heard anything about it on the PSDB, Algol Solar System, Wolfgang Landgraff's PS page, Phantasy Star Cave, Camineet.net... ect... and these are some of the most knowladgable and well respected PS sites on the net.

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2. I had the walk-thru-walls code for v.1 and v.2. I was actually behind the planet so that the layer of cloud textures weren't obscuring the planet's view. It looks like north america and the upper-half of florida "doubled" into a mirror image. the other side of the mirror you usually don't see from the window on pioneer 2. The title screen of PSO v.1 had a fairly exact picture of earth - showing northern africa, the arabian pensinsula, and the lower parts of europe/the medeteranian.

[Shinzakura]

On 2007-03-03 22:49, Sinue_v2 wrote:
1. I refer to "Terran" as a green habitable world that is primed for human colonisation.

The word you're looking for is "terrestrial" (Earth-like). Otherwise, I agree with the OP that the Alissa III never went to Earth as Ragol =/= Earth.

I do agree, however, that Lutz/PSO connection is BS.

[PrinceBrightstar]

I think i'm going to play a high card here. What about the fact that Algol actually exists in this known universe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algol

Now as for linking the games all together, I'll play two pieces of evidence. 1. The new expansion coming out. 2. E3'04, "Phantasy Star V"



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[DurakkenX]

ummm whichever mod moved this...brilliant job on actually reading the topic as it has more to do with PSO and PSU than the original series v.v in fact the largest section will prolly be the PSU one considering that there are lots of myths already popping up...and even the section that has the classic games mentioned only do so because it is necessary v.v really v.v

ST prolly used the name and such...but it doesn't exist in the exact same universe as algol has a weird solar system with 3 habitable planets that exist in a very unlikely orbit...while the algol in this universe is a trinary star system with no known planets and when this game was made planets around other stars hadn't been discovered yet. Phantasy Star exists in a paralel universe that is nearly the same as far as been revealed save for 2 stars haven't been created ^.^

As far as the new expansion and the original title...you remember the original trailer too? with chars that looked like PSO NPCs in PSO settings?

[Saigan]

On 2007-03-03 23:32, Jonathan_F wrote:
I think i'm going to play a high card here. What about the fact that Algol actually exists in this known universe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algol

Now as for linking the games all together, I'll play two pieces of evidence. 1. The new expansion coming out. 2. E3'04, "Phantasy Star V"



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Jonathan_F on 2007-03-03 23:33 ]</font>

The PSV name drop was also dropped aftfer the PSO II name drop to build hype for the two mode of play in PSU. It was referring to a large single player story driven RPG. That's all.