Phantasy Star 2 question

[HUnewearl_Meira]

First of all, I barely know PSU, I don't really like the game. Second, you cannot use the terms from PSO or PSU to describe stuff from the old games, they aren't even the same thing. I would call Rudo a Hunter in PSO, Not a Ranger.

This has already been explained several times in this thread.

A Hunter in Phantasy Star classic is a generic term for a freelance mercenary who tracked down and eliminated Biomonsters. Weapon types and skills don't matter. They formed a guild to assist and police each other by PSIV's time. Even in PSO, even though you were a Ranger, you were still considered a Hunter - and reported to the Hunter's Guild.

The character info display on PSII listed a Profession-- this is not to be confused with a Class. Characters in PSII, and indeed, generally in most RPGs lacking character customization, did not have Classes. Consider that Nei's Profession was listed as "None".

The hunters, rangers, etc. you see in the old games don't mean what weapons they're good at, but rather what professions each character had. Notice there's no agent job in PSO, nor a force job in PSII. It's simply what the character did before joining your group.

If this has managed to go over your head so thoroughly thus far, I will attempt to clarify it: Rudo is a "Hunter" by profession. It explains what he does to earn his money-- not the way he goes about performing his commission. He is a Hunter in the precise sense that RAmars and FOnewearls are Hunters, despite being Rangers and Forces, respectively. They are generically Hunters by profession, but not necessarily by specialty. They are Hunters in the sense that they take a commission to perform tasks asked of them by clients, in the case of PSO and PSIV, as organized by the Hunters' Guild.

In terms of specialties, a Hunter-type in Phantasy Star Online and Phantasy Star Universe, is defined by being a melee specialist. They use swords, sabers, daggers, claws and whatever other close-range weapons may be included in the game. They specialize in these things. A Force in these games, is defined by their use of Techniques as a primary means of attack. A Ranger-type, is defined by having a specialty in Guns. I cannot emphasize this enough: Hunter, Ranger and Force in this context are specialties, not professions. In PSO, all three fall under Hunter as a Profession, but not as a Specialty. This means that in PSO, all Rangers are Hunters. In short: A Ranger is a type of Hunter. To state it in classical logic, a Ranger is necessarily a Hunter, but a Hunter is not necessarily a Ranger.

[silverfur]

This has already been explained several times in this thread.







If this has managed to go over your head so thoroughly thus far, I will attempt to clarify it: Rudo is a "Hunter" by profession. It explains what he does to earn his money-- not the way he goes about performing his commission. He is a Hunter in the precise sense that RAmars and FOnewearls are Hunters, despite being Rangers and Forces, respectively. They are generically Hunters by profession, but not necessarily by specialty. They are Hunters in the sense that they take a commission to perform tasks asked of them by clients, in the case of PSO and PSIV, as organized by the Hunters' Guild.

In terms of specialties, a Hunter-type in Phantasy Star Online and Phantasy Star Universe, is defined by being a melee specialist. They use swords, sabers, daggers, claws and whatever other close-range weapons may be included in the game. They specialize in these things. A Force in these games, is defined by their use of Techniques as a primary means of attack. A Ranger-type, is defined by having a specialty in Guns. I cannot emphasize this enough: Hunter, Ranger and Force in this context are specialties, not professions. In PSO, all three fall under Hunter as a Profession, but not as a Specialty. This means that in PSO, all Rangers are Hunters. In short: A Ranger is a type of Hunter. To state it in classical logic, a Ranger is necessarily a Hunter, but a Hunter is not necessarily a Ranger.

OMFG you are really annoying the hell out of me. I AM NOT A MORON. I got that, I do not agree with that assesment of it. PLAIN AND SIMPLE, let it go. I would not classify them as similar AT ALL, AT ALL, get it or do I have to explain it any simpler??? Seriously, I don't agree with what you are saying, it isn't a difficult concept to get.

[HUnewearl_Meira]

I do not agree with that assesment of it.

Great. Explain your logic on why you don't agree with it.

[silverfur]

Great. Explain your logic on why you don't agree with it.

I did, by profession and class I see him as a hunter. As I said, they never had Rangers then so the class has obviously developed in the time between PS2 and PSO.

[Maskim]

The fact that the class has developed along with the game over the years has little to nothing to do with it. Would it be better, were this a lecture in Phantasy Star History, to state it as:

'By today's standards, Rudo was a skilled Hunter, of the Ranger persuasion'?

[HUnewearl_Meira]

I did, by profession and class I see him as a hunter. As I said, they never had Rangers then so the class has obviously developed in the time between PS2 and PSO.

All right, and if you had to succinctly describe his specific job skills to a person who is deeply interested in PSO, but completely oblivious to the classic Phantasy Star series, what do you suppose would be the simplest way to go about doing it?

[silverfur]

Hunter.

[Zorafim]

This is one of the most one sided arguments I've ever seen. Why are you so adamant about keeping your argument if you aren't going to defend it? And why are you so adamant about keeping technicalities that don't exist?

[silverfur]

This is one of the most one sided arguments I've ever seen. Why are you so adamant about keeping your argument if you aren't going to defend it? And why are you so adamant about keeping technicalities that don't exist?

I stated my side and I did defend it. I am amazed that whoever this person is they cannot seem to understand that and just drop it. They aren't going to change my mind. Rudo was a hunter, plain and simple, that's what he would be in PSO or PSU or wtf-ever.

[Maskim]

No it's not. He's only a hunter (aside from the many times stated that hunters, rangers, and forces are all hunters) in PS2, because the game and its system had not evolved yet.

If you're still living in the early 90's, then he's a hunter, plain and simple. If that's the case, get me some gas next time you're out. It's damn expensive here in 2008.