"My last boyfriend was a scumbag! I hate men now! I'm a feminist! Just the way you breath pisses me off because you're a male in my line of vision! the way you said hello to that girl was racist! Submit and apologize and give her half of your money!Originally Posted by Kent
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Please come to my book club meetings... ._."
Last edited by NoiseHERO; Jun 17, 2012 at 05:36 PM.
AYY. All you nillas days is numbered.
Ah, christ.
Who let this garbage leak over from NeoGAF? Though I'm sure if AllisonW still posted here she'd be sporting a mighty chubby.
Last edited by Angelo; Jun 17, 2012 at 05:16 PM.
Pro-Tip: If you even know a damn thing about modern feminism (not what media has taught and portrayed for years, the media loves to use a straw feminist [extreme ones like radfems] or any outlier of a movement to bring down the movement a peg), you would realize that 1.) It covers ableism. 2.) It is not only for females, but for everyone (the word "egalitarianism" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue) 3.) covers deep issues, (racism within feminism as it was the basis of the feminism ideology) not only just for women (women stay in the kitchen, stay at home because you are a flower, et al.) but men as well. (Men don't always have to be strong and stone faced, hell they can be stay at home dads too total shocker).
That in mind, it is always a grand idea to keep an open mind about issues, and not to write them off based on antiquated sentiments.
It doesn't sound like anyone here has any REAL problems with understanding the idea of feminism though. D:
Though I didn't know race issues went under feminism...
From my ignorant point of view, though, it doesn't really seem to stand out much, to make much of a change...
I couldn't imagine people outside of Nickelodeon's studios marching in circles with picket signs to make their shows less shallow and make more shows about a middle eastern fat girl that's trying to fight crime. Instead of shows about trendy rich kids having underage un-protected sex and doing drugs before they're even old enough to driv- D:
Wait the former sounds EXACTLY like something Nickelodeon would make...
AYY. All you nillas days is numbered.
I completely understand contemporary feminism, in fact it's one of the few political movements I spend quite a bit of my time investigating. I also understand that it's primarily a business rooted in dismantlement to result in capital.
I can't really be placated with the generic sentiment that "It's nothing like radical feminism", I understand that, in fact it's actually exponentially more dangerous than radical feminism because while they both reap the same results, contemporary feminism gives the same result while seeping itself quietly into the cracks of society until it's viewed as convention.
Pre-radical feminism, i.e. pre-Gloria Steinem-branded feminism, or the suffragette movement was actually based on the idea of equal rights and equal opportunity. However, contemporary feminism is not based on equal opportunity, it's based on equal outcome, which cannot occur in entities that evolved over tens of thousands of years without impeding on the rights of others, and 'rigging the game' so to speak.
Contemporary feminism in raw statistics has brought a significant rise in the depression, medication, disorder diagnosis (bi-polar disorder as a prime example), and general dysfunction to the female population in the past 30 years. The well-being of men has remained generally stagnant, if not slightly downhill, but not in a significant way as opposed to their female counterparts.
The problem with the west is that we are obsessed with the idea of instant-gratification with little to no regard of any implications and foresight. It's a philosophy that I take to heart, and to be honest it's sort of the cornerstone of who I am as a person. Contemporary feminism is a paragon of instant-gratification with no thought or regard of foresight, implications, human evolution, biology, the collective nature of the human race, and the well-being of all social-classes. It's a business that has reaped profit by exploiting the fundamental differences between the genders so that more members of the household could be taxed and influenced. The roots aren't hidden, they're available at any public library. When the Rockefellers full on start a movement (this movement) with ruthless tenacity, you know it can't be because they have what's best for our well-being in mind.
We're living 'the dream' now as a result. Because the bigwigs had the foresight we lacked. If you for one second thing that the men pulling the strings in the west adhere to these propagated philosophies of supposed liberties, to their concept of 'good and evil' pumped out by Hollywood, music, and carefully crafted sub-cultures to their offerings of 'good-will'... then you are sadly mistaken. I'm not saying this is all the fault of contemporary feminism, though it is a major factor. 'The dream' has been realized, their dream, as the exploitation of our weaknesses and desperation has exalted them to an all-time high in the financial gap, with the smallest percent now absorbing a record high in terms of capital. This is because they had foresight and we had desperation, they crafted and we obeyed. No we sit here armed with things like the 'Occupy' movement, which understands the problem, but does not fully understand the implications because our new code of honor has been force fed to us to a point where we can no longer tell what feelings of passion have arisen from our collective nature as human beings and what has been manufactured through our 'instant gratification' upbringing. This is their dream, GG guys, keep preaching their book.
Last edited by Angelo; Jun 17, 2012 at 06:22 PM.
A few people made some sweeping generalization and wrote off feminism as a whole without putting much thought/effort into it. I mean I can see how one can write it off (some feminists don't work toward race equality/ LGBTQ*/ and handicapped people and yes those are all valid points to write off feminism, but not because it's baww women fightan over rights they have and a feminist yelled at me is not a valid criticism.
/Points to statement above.Though I didn't know race issues went under feminism...
Feminism has many branches, and some strive for other things as they see important so it's unorganized when it comes to tackling an issue. There are marxist feminist, socialist feminist, lipstick feminists, proto, religious, and so many more types of feminists.From my ignorant point of view, though, it doesn't really seem to stand out much, to make much of a change...
I couldn't imagine people outside of Nickelodeon's studios marching in circles with picket signs to make their shows less shallow and make more shows about a middle eastern fat girl that's trying to fight crime. Instead of shows about trendy rich kids having underage un-protected sex and doing drugs before they're even old enough to driv- D:
Oh you mean Degrassi?Wait the former sounds EXACTLY like something Nickelodeon would make...
Is still feminism by a strict definition. Adding the word modern doesn't mean much. There's another word for it, but I can't exactly think of it at the moment. If it's that supposedly broad, you're not feminist, you're arguing for the sake of human rights in general, really.
It does. First wave feminism only focused on a specific group; white, middle class, cisgender women who, at the time had the same rights as African-Americans in the 1960s. They did not want to be treated in the same vein and as a result first wave feminism began.
From then on, the other waves became more inclusive, it's not all the way inclusive and fringe groups have emerged thus making it harder to have a just one movement as a whole.
You mean egalitarianism. I actually mentioned it in the post you quoted this post from.There's another word for it, but I can't exactly think of it at the moment. If it's that supposedly broad, you're not feminist, you're arguing for the sake of human rights in general, really.
This topic is going to turn into a ticking time bomb, I think.
Anyway, I don't label myself with any 'group.' I'm not for feminism, I'm not for black rights, I'm not for any specific ideology. I just believe that people shouldn't be unfair or generally dickish to others based on their sex, race, creed, or beliefs. That's all anyone needs to be. Adding on more to that is stupid and pointless to me.
This.
In fact you don't even have to genuinely respect everyone; respect is earned. You just have to be courteous and not an unwarranted dickhead.
Last edited by Angelo; Jun 17, 2012 at 06:48 PM.
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