Fighter Discussion

[Walkure]

When are people going to look over my video and show me all the ways Ein is an inferior mobbing PA and how I could be Add Bulleting better? I want to know how I can be a better gunslasher guise

I haven't really looked at Gunslash since Ep2 but let's see here.

Right here'd be a decent time to break out AB:

Spoiler!

From this point on you'd probably be better off just switching to a Double Saber and using Chaos Riser. Picking off one or two dagans at a time with Ein doesn't seem like that great an option. Additional Bullet is good at a conal range, when you're spending most of the town surrounded by a bunch of trash.

Spoiler!

[Maenara]

I think you missed the point.

[GALEFORCE]

On the topic of dsabers, now that meteor spin is being nerfed, I wonder what the best DPS you can get out of dsabers is. There's so many numbers flying around that I find it hard to tell. I'm guessing uncharged deadly archer is still the best for burst dps, but illusion rave and charged DA would be good for semi-sustained DPS.. except illusion probably needs to score that last hit to be worth using.

This brings up my biggest problem with dsaber gear.. I don't know when to work it in. Deadly archer outranges dsaber gear when charged. Illusion Rave doesn't let you use it very frequently. Acro effect is kind of awkward because it changes your positioning. Are there others worth using for bosses?

[SakoHaruo]

When are people going to look over my video and show me all the ways Ein is an inferior mobbing PA and how I could be Add Bulleting better? I want to know how I can be a better gunslasher guise

I don't think Ein has a problem with mobbing, I believe Add. Bullet can do it faster in most situations. If I can one shot with A.Buster, why would I use Slide End or any of the other Partisan PA? Both of them can one shot, but one completely stop any forward momentum I had. If I can one shot bosses with S.Cannon from long range, why would I run up to the boss and use the old fashion H.Emission?

Add.Bullet has quick start up, short duration and low recovery vs Ein (you pretty much used it the same way we use Add.Bullet in your video) which has more start up, longer duration, and about the same recovery time. The point is.. If I can one shot with something that can get the job done the quickest, then most of the time, I'd be able to clear enemy spawns much faster.

Here's a list of some FiHu tools that can be used to mob in area 1 of Nab 2..

Overend
Ride Slasher
Nova Strike

A.Buster
Slide End
Slide Shaker
Speed Rain

Other Spin
Wild Round
Heavenly Fall

Bloody Sarabande

Choas Riser




That's a lot of options and I didn't name them all! If you were to test them all, eventually you'll find the one that is the most efficient and fastest. While you might like what Bloody Sarabande can do on Nab 2, if Chaos Riser turns out to be faster, why would you choose Bloody Sarabande?

I hear you. You're saying that Ein can mob (and from watching the video, yes, yes It can mob), What I'm saying is... anything that Ein can do, in most situations, Add.Bullet can do it better, and you can use that to compare other weapons as well. That's it.

[UnLucky]

Yeah, it's a real shame Ein Rakaten's AoE is so small.

Spoiler!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2YxW4TlDU

Ignoring the melee attack, the two are actually about the same power. Include the slash/kick and Ein is more total damage.

But you don't want to connect with the first hit because either one will knock enemies up/down/away so hitting their weak point often becomes harder.

Furthermore, AB has longer range and pierces enemies. Ein does splash damage around the closest target, so it won't always hit everything within range.

For example, if you used AB at :26 in your video, you'd be able to hit way more enemies.

[Maenara]

The best overall gunslash PAs are still the ranged ones,

My whole point, is that this is flat out wrong. There are situations where are they the best, yes, this is true for everything in the game(Neglecting things that are complete shit). But they aren't the best for all mobbing, they aren't better in more situations that Ein Rakaten, or Rage Dance, etc., they're only situationally better now.

tl;dr: Add Bullet is not the immortal god king of gunslash PAs anymore.

[Xaelouse]

Ein Rakaten has the 20 PP thing going for it as well btw. That's probably it's biggest advantage as a cheap way to take out trash from a decent distance + the knockdown it provides.
I really wouldn't use either on a FI/HU though. PAs with a r-atk majority are a no-no.

[milranduil]

My whole point, is that this is flat out wrong. There are situations where are they the best, yes, this is true for everything in the game(Neglecting things that are complete shit). But they aren't the best for all mobbing, they aren't better in more situations that Ein Rakaten, or Rage Dance, etc., they're only situationally better now.

tl;dr: Add Bullet is not the immortal god king of gunslash PAs anymore.

It just occurred to me, but what lvl is your AddBullet?

Edit: never mind they rebalanced the power/level so it doesn't jump at 11 anymore with ep3. The best I can do is see how you use AddBullet in game to critque what you're doing. You should be doing WAY more than 3k on a headshot.

[Lumpen Thingy]

My whole point, is that this is flat out wrong. There are situations where are they the best, yes, this is true for everything in the game(Neglecting things that are complete shit). But they aren't the best for all mobbing, they aren't better in more situations that Ein Rakaten, or Rage Dance, etc., they're only situationally better now.

tl;dr: Add Bullet is not the immortal god king of gunslash PAs anymore.

if you're playing a ra/hu or ra/br add bullet fucking rapes and anyone that thinks otherwise is a fucking retard as for using it on fighter well no shit its going to suck vs melee pas it is a range pa after all

[milranduil]

if you're playing a ra/hu or ra/br add bullet fucking rapes and anyone that thinks otherwise is a fucking retard as for using it on fighter well no shit its going to suck vs melee pas it is a range pa after all

It even has situational use with FI tbh lol. I do 3.8-4k with Ex Laser using power units with no r-atk (besides set bonus of 90).