PSA RE: Translations, Dll Injection, Bans

[darkwraith007]

@ Mikeh and SZiadaN:
This entire thread seems to just be you wanting to cause drama. If you had any good intentions, then you'd have contacted AIDA directly via PM first thing if you had any concerns/questions about how the Tweaker or patches work. That would be the responsible thing to do rather than crying wolf like a stupid bitch.

@ Everyone Else:
You can trust an asshat script-kiddie of a 'hacker' that thinks he's pro enough to come cause drama, or you can trust AIDA, the one who actually made the tweaker and knows how things work. Your choice.
For me, I'll trust what AIDA says because I believe they (and their team) don't want to see people get banned. If they ever felt it would be a possible threat then they wouldn't have gone through with the release of this update.

If you're paranoid enough to not want to enjoy translated items, feel free to disable it via the tweaker. Then it'll be completely gone and you can be happy with just the standard EN or JP files.
Everything in here (even the EN patch) has ALWAYS been disclaimer'd and stated that it is AT YOUR OWN RISK. If you didn't read that, then you should blame yourself rather than AIDA or anyone else.

[Raven0123]

Incase you guys went right to tl;dr, I'd like to remention that GG will treat all hooked dlls without prejudice and then flag and ban accordingly.

This statement is 100% false. GameGuard does NOT have the ability to ban anyone. GameGuard will at most BSOD your computer if it doesn't like what is going on. GameGuard does not let the server know what your running. It only checks into the server letting the server know that it is still running.

If GameGuard did do what you said it does, I would have been banned a long time ago on many games. Hell, they would have a Global Ban Filter just like Punk Buster. I know this because I have done A LOT of research on GameGuard and I even had the unfortunate pleasure of working with the software it self.

[Ship2Mikeh]

@ Mikeh:
This entire thread seems to just be you wanting to cause drama. If you had any good intentions, then you'd have contacted AIDA directly via PM first thing if you had any concerns/questions about how the Tweaker or patches work. That would be the responsible thing to do rather than crying wolf like a stupid bitch.

@ Everyone Else:
You can trust an asshat script-kiddie of a 'hacker' that thinks he's pro enough to come cause drama, or you can trust AIDA, the one who actually made the tweaker and knows how things work. Your choice.
For me, I'll trust what AIDA says because I believe they (and their team) don't want to see people get banned. If they ever felt it would be a possible threat then they wouldn't have gone through with a release that update.

Aida and the owner of PSO-W were both contacted directly repeatedly, this is not unwarranted and not for drama, the OP is all that matters and the rest of this is discussion

[Ship2Mikeh]

If by "repeatedly" you mean contacting me once in-game to make Turk got credit, then sure.

Furthermore, the admin of PSOW contacted me the other day about it, and we discussed it in detail.

I didn't say I did, again, read my posts. "I am here on behalf of the other site" I am trying to speak for it, and admins from our site DID directly make contact.

Edit: as well I'm refraining from posting some evidence I could post due to the site its on, and the lack of respect I'd portray posting it here.

[Ship2Mikeh]

Except no one make contact with AIDA. (Wait, I'm AIDA right? Lemme check...)

Okay, yeah, I'm AIDA.

Okay I'm sorry I mis-spoke a little, PSO-W's owner was contacted, and in response he contacted you. He did not apparently have the information because the certainty we have on these claims screams that your disclaimer is not truthful enough, or an accurate portrayal of the true risk.

Yes GG is specifically trying to stop sziadans trainer, but in doing so they're targetting ALL HOOKED DLL's. There shouldn't be a single DLL hooked to begin with and so their most logical best way to stop the crap would be a blanket hooked dll scan. Seriously AIDA.. Logic...

[SZiadaN]

There's a bit of a difference between your trainer, which modifies many, many, many values in memory all across the board, and our translator which modifies only certain text. Not to mention that gameguard personally hates you, and is constantly updating to detect your tool (every monday, if I recall).

If Gameguard was a SEGA product (which it's not) and actually phoned home when stuff went down (which it doesn't), then this would be a different discussion.

Yes, GG updated every monday to block my trainer.
I updated my trainer to go past that block.

I first noticed the 1.5 hour ban thing when I were using my trainer to pointer scan in large areas of the memory. When doing that I only read the memory, I don't modify it. And I read less stuff than your item translator do (most likely) to determine whether or not it's the correct pointer.


Do note that my 60+ tester accounts where made specifically just to confirm whether or not the client actually do ban you for just reading certain areas.

I did that just to make sure that I'm not releasing a trainer that will get people auto-banned for just loading it up.

The 1.5 hour ban is different from the wave ban.
SEGA themselves compile the lists of from reported people, people flagged by GG and so on, these are the ban waves.

Anyway, people here are free to believe whatever they want, I wont say anymore on this topic now.

As for the "this was rude of you" comment, isn't it even more rude to not explain the risks entirely to the use base?


Edit: Guess I'll just have to answer this too...

It's a good thing our way of DLL hooking is different from the manner you're talking about. You're assuming that we're simply injecting the DLL like you guys do, which is not the case. If you'd like, please contact Tomeeboy. I've fully explained our method to him, and why it's different from yours.

Spoiler!

No, it's not. The difference is that GG will see yours as "translator.dll" and mine as something entirely different.

[Ship2Mikeh]

*cough*
http://imgur.com/w9Q4Zi3

[Raven0123]

*cough*
http://imgur.com/w9Q4Zi3

*cough* look at the other dlls in there *cough*
http://imgur.com/w9Q4Zi3

[SZiadaN]

You also seemed to have missed this post from one of our programmers, Raven.

Read:

Did I say GameGuard is the one performing the ban?
They send out lists of people caught doing malicious stuff to SEGA, these people may be included the ban wave if SEGA think the info they got from GG warrent it.


Edit:
"No shit that you'll be able to see it's hooked. It's HOW it's hooked that's different. "
If I can see it, so can gameguard. Doesn't matter if you used different code to map it into PSO2 or not.

Anyway, people have been warned now. I'm not gonna answer anymore.

[Ship2Mikeh]

The other issue lies in how blatantly public your tool is, meaning it's 10000x more likely to also be found in person by someone who can do something about it. The thread even illicitly mentions the dll injection. Sega wasn't shy to lurk our forums, what makes you feel so invincible?