Summoner Class Discussion

[Shadowth117]

Summoner... Doesn't do a lot as a subclass. The only Skills that have any effect as a sub is HP Restorate, Massive Mate, Quick Recovery, generic stat-boosting skills, and PB Advance. Pet Skills have no effect as a sub, since Pets are Main Class only.

Su should never be used as a Sub. It's horrible and offers nothing. The only time I'd forgive it is if you was a new player/character that was focusing on Su, so once Su hit 75 you'd just swap the Main and Sub classes to at least get the stat boosts from Su to get your sub to 75.

If you want to have a Sub as Force, make it Techer. Or if you're feeling special, Braver.

For reference, Su is slightly more reliable for a pure zanverse support techer than Gu sub (basically, you don't need to worry about perfect keeper). It falls a bit short of Gute there (which is an extremely specific build itself), but my team and a few others have taken to using a single heavy support Tesu for boss eq's and TD4.

dont the two percentage based boosters also work since they never specify pet?

They seem to. They literally say all attack, so it makes sense.

[Z-0]

TeGu is better than TeSu because TeGu can help people build chains with Twice Chain and a Red Weapon, which is more useful than like, 5% Zanverse (Gal and Summoner).

[Petunia]

For reference, Su is slightly more reliable for a pure zanverse support techer than Gu sub (basically, you don't need to worry about perfect keeper). It falls a bit short of Gute there (which is an extremely specific build itself), but my team and a few others have taken to using a single heavy support Tesu for boss eq's and TD4.

Raw numbers on paper are one thing, but in practice the Gu provides far more support for his Party.

[Shadowth117]

TeGu is better than TeSu because TeGu can help people build chains with Twice Chain and a Red Weapon, which is more useful than like, 5% Zanverse (Gal and Summoner).

That is under the assumption there's a gu in proper to support though. I won't try to deny that in the situation there is one since 5% is little in the face of gu's potential gains, but it's not exactly pointless in the case that there isn't a gain to be had in a particular set up gunner's skills. I'll admit that the well geared class combinations available to my group aren't always ideal for something like this.

[sparab]

Seems like sega is planning to install *13 eggs in collect file, but not until EP5 in the near future
Many players still worship the "no trade drop only" concept, funny story...

[Shinamori]

By the way, for those that want a 13* trim, there is a Zigmor trigger in the casino shops.

[Bellion]

Despite 13* Viola being able to drop in the Kuro free field, 13* Torim cannot. 12* Torim is the highest that drops in that free field currently.

Many players still worship the "no trade drop only" concept, funny story...

Either these players are more masochistic than I am or they must really enjoy being special snowflakes with their rares, seriously.

[TaigaUC]

Got some Viola from stupid Magatsu Bonus Quest. Tried it out briefly at low level.
Non-awakened so far seems like a really crappy version of Wanda.

Skimmed through JP swiki comments earlier.
They didn't seem to think much of Viola either.
Someone said Viola is useless for trash mobs, but decent for boss damage?
There were a few comments saying to use Viola if you want to get more hate for standing out.
Presumably because Viola looks like it belongs in some kind of creature laboratory simulator. Along with its best friend, Sonic Nyau.
One person complained that the awakened version's wings block the screen. Haven't seen it myself yet.

I sent a picture of Viola to a friend and they said "Oh good lord. Thanks for the nightmares!"

[sparab]

Viola is a starter's pet for PS4 players. If you have any *13 pet minus sally, don't waste rare candies on this purple monstrosity.

[TaigaUC]

B, but SEGA said Viola is a Wanda for PROS!