Invade Variance Check

[Selphea]

At first I thought it'd be pretty bad but then I went and actually tested:

670 Dex, Fo/Te to drop SATK while having good PP to spam:

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Small sampling of Rage Dance SATK hits:

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Crit Damage:

1251

Non-crits:

1231
1229
1245
1216
1195
1248
1195

Just a small sample, got interrupted by ToT announcement.

Invade's base ATK is 1193, so its lowest possible variance would be 119 ATK, while my net SATK after accounting for 60% attribute and DEF is 2606. 119 / 2606 = 4.5%.

1195 damage is 56 damage short of a crit. 56 / 1251 = 4.5%

So either:

a) Segac forgot to add variance for Invade
b) The variance is low enough that 670 Dex with a Saiki set and class boosts is enough to cap it
c) My sample size is too small

I'll do more tests to confirm or deny c but if anyone else has an Invade that hasn't been unlocked, mind checking too?

[Ceresa]

You should test on ult/XH enemies.

swiki has some #s already though: http://goo.gl/WHt8Bk

321 dex difference between you and enemy for invade GS in particular, which looks like you're about exactly at the cutoff point for a 61 small enemy.

[Selphea]

Couldn't find anything on Invade on Swiki, but looking at the #s it seems like Invade has at least some hidden Dex in there.

[arkeido]

Invade Calibur with 607 DEX
vs Bayari with rising edge non JA

crit 2797
lowest 2262

samples

edit: just realized there's PP slayer , might not-that-accurate...

[Selphea]

Went to Kuron with a 590 Dex Hiei set, tested Kreisenschlag on Oro Ogars. Widest gap was 16287 / 17636. Used Hu/Te with Lv3 Guard Stance and had some PSE in there messing with my damage.

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Putting those numbers into the calculator:

http://4rt.info/psod/?edo0E

Assuming that's the absolute minimum, 4rt says that suggests 292 hidden Dex. Compared to an 11* Gunslash, that's 6 less Dex required to hit the cap. I suspect the actual hidden Dex is probably in the 280-290 range though - for a Gunslash. Don't have higher ATK weapons to check.

[Bellion]

Invade Sorcerer Fo/Te 619 DEX
Lowest: 6682
Crit: 8421
Ultimate Nab monkeys were my only targets.

[Selphea]

Invade Sorcerer Fo/Te 619 DEX
Lowest: 6682
Crit: 8421
Ultimate Nab monkeys were my only targets.

Need your TATK too!

Invade Calibur with 607 DEX
vs Bayari with rising edge non JA

crit 2797
lowest 2262

samples

edit: just realized there's PP slayer , might not-that-accurate...

And your SATK

[AmanoMai]

tested with 620 dex

in SH seems to have a variance of 90-100% like other 7*+

havent tried UQ and XH but from everyone's testimony

maybe we can assume that XH variance is also 90-100%
and UQ is 80-100%?

[Bellion]

Oops!
3670 Total T-atk
2102 with everything except Rod's base attack at +10 which is 1568.

[Selphea]

Oops!
3670 Total T-atk
2102 with everything except Rod's base attack at +10 which is 1568.

http://4rt.info/psod/?u6Vig

Says it should have 212 hidden Dex which is strangely the same as a Silva-crafted Red weapon. Perhaps Kuronites have a lower Dex than UQ mobs.