Units for SH

[Sesheenku]

So I'm coming back after about two years, I left a level 58 fighter 40 Hunter.

I was never a particularly rich player and it was too much of a pain to get premium back then and until I get my tax return I still can't get it.

Anyways I've been using Shouldot set at +10 each unit has vol soul and 224 S-def.

I've heard people recommending to use stuff like Blitz/Gloam set but... I already can only take two hits on VH, only one from certain boss attacks. Their def appears to be far worse than what I'm using now.

I know they have a set bonus but it doesn't look like it's going to help much? Is it really that much better than what I've been using?

[Serinah]

If units have a good set bonus but low defensive stats, you can always go ahead and craft them. They'll retain their set bonus, but their individual stats will change.

Furthermore at extend level 3, 8 and 10 you can special craft them to have +100 hp or +10 pp

[Sesheenku]

If units have a good set bonus but low defensive stats, you can always go ahead and craft them. They'll retain their set bonus, but their individual stats will change.

Furthermore at extend level 3, 8 and 10 you can special craft them to have +100 hp or +10 pp

Ah, I'd heard about that. People crafting Hiei set until the stats are capable of handling VH/SH.

If that's what has to be done I guess that's fine.

[elryan]

S-Tier: Beast ATK values. Huge PP values. Robust defenses. Unfortunately exclusive to Orbit weapons?

Austere Rear & Arm + Orbit Set (Leg + Weapon)
310 HP, 42 PP, 12%/14%/14% DEF, 110 ATK, 80 DEX
Top of the line. Dat HP. Dat PP. Dat resists. ATK above 100.

Kaiser Set + Orbit Set
50 HP, 37 PP, 8%/10%/4% DEF, 140 S/R-ATK, 80 DEX
Awesome ATK. Awesome PP. Relatively balanced defenses. Some HP to help you from going splat. Yay.

Full Austere Set
260 HP, 35 PP, 10% DEF, 140 ATK, 100 DEX
Apparently Austere Leg + Weapon gives DEF not ATK.

A-Tier: End-game. Amazing HP/PP. Great defenses. Impressive ATKs.

Saiki Set
150 HP, 25 PP, 12%/12%/0% DEF, 60 ATK, 80 DEX
Can be PP crafted to 0 HP, 25 +30 PP, 0%/12%/0% DEF, 60 ATK, 80 DEX
Godly PP but ATK and defenses unfortunately fell short of fellow S-Tiered sets.

Ideal Set + Weapon
250 HP, 23 PP, Flat 6% DEF + Rainbow 6% DEF, 150 ATK, 80 DEX
Monster ATK and solid defenses but unfortunately PP fell abit short compared to S-Tiered sets.

Brisa Set
200 HP, 20 PP, 12%/9%/0% DEF, 12% Rainbow DEF, 70 ATK, 50 DEX

Invader Set + Weapon
120 HP, 28 PP, 9%/6%/9% DEF, 140 ATK, 150 DEX
Despite the ATK, only a few classes can utilize the Invader weapons effectively due to damage variance. (Bouncer and Fighter comes to mind).
Also PP is lacking. So downgraded to A.

PP Crafted Tian Set + Orbit Set
50 HP, 37 PP, 2%/12%/4% DEF, 140 R-ATK, 30 DEX
Downgraded to A because of unbalanced defenses. Zannen.

B-Tier: Easy to obtain. Usable in XH but you can do better than that!

Ideal Set (without weapons)
250 HP, 15 PP, Flat 6% DEF, 75 ATK, 40 DEX

Zieg Set (without weapons)

C-Tier: Limited bonuses. Great for carrying through SH.

PP Crafted Hiei
0 HP, 10 + 30 PP, 0%/12%/0% DEF, 60 ATK

XQ Set
0/30/60/90/120/150 HP, 15/12/9/6/3/0 PP, 6%/0%/0% DEF, 90 ATK.

55PP (or 100 HP 45 PP) definitely justifies being top tier

You know, there's a reason everyone and their cats are cramming the highest ATK affixes around...

My judgment of Saiki not being S-Tier because of 60 ATK remains.

That said, I still use Saiki and Brisa.

Zieg is 50 ATK and 4 PP with poor individual unit stats is it not? And you have to re-affix it with a Dudu fee equal to Saiki. How is it better than crafted Hiei? o_o;

Stat-wise C and B-tier units are not that much different.

B-Tier units grant you wide resistances against incoming damages (Zieg's Set grants you 12% defense against an attack type of choice plus 6% flat for the rest of damage types; Ideal Set gives 6% flat against all damage types plus rainbow defenses). Total resistances when combined = 18% - 24%.

C-Tier units grant you only a single damage type resistance for low/medium amount. (Total resistances when combined only 6-12%).

Somebody might come and argue about "MUH PP" but I believe a dead DPS is 0 DPS AND shit happens. Those resistances let you survive a hit that otherwise kills you in one blow.

But hey, both are not end-game gears. They're just gateways to A/S-tier units.

People still get this wrong >_<

So no, full Austere set isn't +140 ATK but +60 ATK and +80 DEF.

Holy shit I'm a fucking retard.

Revised abit. Austere + Orbit gives ginormous amount of HP, defenses and PP beyond other sets (although ATK is below Kaiser combo / Full Ideal) so it stays at S.

[Qualia]

Saiki A-tier? Lmao

[Sesheenku]

Okay s a friend showed me Zieg gives you access to 11 star weapons but every time I click client orders it gives me a ribbon with ep3 and Japanese text.

Do I need to do story mode until ep 3 or something?

[elryan]

Okay s a friend showed me Zieg gives you access to 11 star weapons but every time I click client orders it gives me a ribbon with ep3 and Japanese text.

Do I need to do story mode until ep 3 or something?

Switch login to episode 4.

But seriously, don't use Zieg's weapons.

Sorry I actually meant units x} are they bad too?

Zieg's unit are okay-ish until you get better ones. They give you acceptable amounts of HP / PP / ATK until you can get something like Saiki / Brisa.

[Sesheenku]

Switch login to episode 4.

But seriously, don't use Zieg's weapons.

Sorry I actually meant units x} are they bad too?

I realized I didn't have my units equipped... I was doing all that stuff yesterday with no units.

[escarlata]

Yes because S-tier provides almost 40 PP with 140 ATK and respectable defenses AND synergizes with the two best weapons archetypes in the game. Saiki doesn't match them (unless you craft them. God forbid you lose that 12% defenses).

Saiki (in fact almost all units) should definitely be crafted, either for full PP or a mix of HP and PP. Besides, you do not lose all 12% of the defenses when crafting;
PP craft gives 4% rdef a piece, HP craft gives 4% sdef a piece (source)

55PP (or 100 HP 45 PP) definitely justifies being top tier

[Flaoc]

saiki is top of the s tier sorry not sorry austere units give 60 atk and less pp and have far worse requirements to get and kaiser orbit only good for gunners (also 1hpp 2pp craft is good for xh/ult triple pp for competitive ta) and i dont wanna seee that lool? just dont get hit cause that isnt the reality considering even good players get hit.