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    Default Official statement from SEGA on parsing tools

    http://pso2.jp/players/news/?id=9224

    SEGA has finally acknowledged the existence of damage parsing tools. They are implementing countermeasures against these tools, but they warn that if they find people using them in the future they may ban accounts without warning for cheating.

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    Fair warning is fair, but it's a silly policy to begin with. If they're concerned about toxicity arising from the use of parsers (a fair concern), then punish that behavior, not the tool.

    Oh well, no more beating it to Zanverse deeps I guess. It's interesting that this comes shortly after revamped PD though. I guess 2ch has been a salt mine the past week?
    Last edited by Xaeris; Jul 1, 2016 at 04:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaeris View Post
    Fair warning is fair, but it's a silly policy to begin with. If they're concerned about toxicity arising from the use of parsers (a fair concern), then punish that behavior, not the tool.

    Oh well, no more beating it to Zanverse deeps I guess. It's interesting that this comes shortly after revamped PD though. I guess 2ch has been a salt mine the past week?
    They can't actually punish offsite shit though (unless it's like, a video with proof of cheating or whatever, but that's a bit different than shame threads), and it'd be too easy for a shamer to crop everything out except the MPA damage data and then go post anonymously on 2ch, 4chan, etc.

    What I don't like about this is, it shouldn't be a permaban or an 816 ban. It should be a timed, 7 day to 1 month suspension that automatically goes away. But this is SEGA we're talking about and the only company that shits the bed harder is PGI.

    E: Womp womp, I derped hard on remembering I was on the first page. Point still stands I guess, especially SEGA being a bedshitter. :v

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    Because it will definitely come up, the fact that things are client-sided is not a proper defense that "everything will be okay". GameGuard is a rootkit that can very well scan for certain strings and processes if it so wishes to, and send information to SEGA for them to possibly take action.

    Since SEGA seemingly cares about this one, I would not take the risk, unlike the English Patch, for example.

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    Go fuck yourself sega.

    You're fucking garbage.

    You should want your damn player base to improve and try to strive to be better, so that you can create more difficult content. Instead, you let them fester as blundering idiots and don't give a fuck.

    Gotta cater to the idiot casuals!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Go fuck yourself sega.

    You're fucking garbage.

    You should want your damn player base to improve and try to strive to be better, so that you can create more difficult content. Instead, you let them fester as blundering idiots and don't give a fuck.

    Gotta cater to the idiot casuals!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Go fuck yourself sega.

    You're fucking garbage.

    You should want your damn player base to improve and try to strive to be better, so that you can create more difficult content. Instead, you let them fester as blundering idiots and don't give a fuck.

    Gotta cater to the idiot casuals!!!
    Since I like you I will post...

    One of the cute things about PSO-2 is that if I were to apply Void-Theory to it, then void-theory will prove that in PSO2 supporting casuals and elite players prevents the game design from normalizing because the demands of elites and the demands of casuals are polar. The only area to meet is a middle ground in which casuals will have to fight to maintain or even reach, while Elites will be disgusted that the middle ground exists and its holding back their gameplay from reaching bigger and better things. Elites will think "why must we be losers in order for casuals to be winners?" in terms of content-design. While the casuals would think "What are you even trying to prove? Just kill a map faster to show how great you are?..." a lot is lost in design itself...

    Void-Theory also proves that although the community does not approve as much of poor Hybrid Types over the pure-damage types, that the community is willing to play a hybrid population-game, which by the same community-based logic.. "Playing a poor hybrid class combination makes both classes weaker than actually stronger" which actually means being in a hybrid population game makes the overall population weaker for the exact same reason. The community is willing to accept the need to run Fo/Te, Br/Hu, Fi/Hu, (as examples), but the community plays a game where the hybrid-population itself makes PSO-2 seems like it is internally its own super poor class/subclass combination.

    One can't choose to cater to elites AND cater to casuals because they are both on the opposite end of the spectrum regardless the difficulty modes. Either make the difficulty modes truly worthy of the name SUPER HARD and EXTRA HARD or don't make them at all. its EXTRA HARD (for Casuals), but EXTRA HARD for elites has been the new Super Hard for that class of players.

    Making the game stronger means Catering the game for one type and sticking with that one type.
    SEGA has made their choice long ago to cater their product to Casual Players.

    This is devastating to Elite Players because it means one truth...
    Elite Players are NOT going to get the game that they actually deserve and want. A tougher and more direct game that has direct consequences for actions, greater accountability, class balance and better gear....

    All Elite players ever get are new difficulty modes where all a casual has to do is not play for 6 months to a year and by then enough weapons have been released that have caught up to the new difficulty mode.
    The increase in power and equipment itself and all of the Systematic Handoffs has pretty much made XH much easier than it was a year ago...

    ...but it also means one important thing.
    At the end of the day even if the Elite is happy from posting a 1 minute screenshot on running a TA map
    ...this game is NOT for ELITES because one can't cater for the two at the same time...

    ...and we all know the story about the Elite who claimed to be Elite in a casual game and moved on to an Elite Game. The Elite found out that he was an outright casual himself because the casual game he was in had made him soft. It made the Elite Player believe he was great, that he was amazing... even though the Elite failed to realize that being on the top of a casual game dulled his blade and lowered his wit. It made his thoughts clumsy and his mind fat.....the elite player had continued to prove to the casual that he was an extremely big deal, while the true-elite player proved in an elite game that he was an elite among elites, while the elite among casuals proved that he was the greatest casual-elite of all time...

    The reason I don't play to win in PSO-2 is because I know that its a game for casuals. If I become an elite in PSO-2 I will be a casual-elite at best, because it would be an environment from the ground up completely built for the casual gamer, and not the elite gamer. All I could do is simply enjoy the fashion, characters and the hacking and slashing. Not that the game isn't fun or isn't good, just that as long as the game is built to be for casuals, all an elite can be at best is a casual-elite since the environment does not support the growth of an elite, and few would ever understand what makes a player elite to begin with or even care to know...

    I am sorry I had to write a post like this, but I feel it generally is true.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Go fuck yourself sega.

    You're fucking garbage.

    You should want your damn player base to improve and try to strive to be better, so that you can create more difficult content. Instead, you let them fester as blundering idiots and don't give a fuck.

    Gotta cater to the idiot casuals!!!
    Its like looking in a mirror..

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    Ugh, how am I supposed to know if I'm suck or check on mechanics from now on?

    Why does SEGA want people to be suck forever?
    >Heavy Hammer
    >get blow off by an Oodan

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    Quote Originally Posted by nguuuquaaa View Post
    Ugh, how am I supposed to know if I'm suck or check on mechanics from now on?

    Why does SEGA want people to be suck forever?
    Exactly. Now I can't use a tool to HELP MYSELF IMPROVE(and guess what, give me more reasons to log on and play) because it might hurt some casuals feelings who is playing a HU/FO and using a all class talis.

    Fucking disgusting.

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