If you are religous don't bother reading this

[TheyCallMeJoe]

K. Sometimes I have to watch this kid when his parents go off on vacations, so I know him pretty well. Apparently he goes to some camp...nothing wrong with that right? Just a fun summer activity.

Then he comes back saying he's been "saved", and he suddenly wants to go to church. So I'm watching him one day, and we decide to play some video games. I say: "How about Halo." Oh but apparently it expresses unnecessary violence now. Mentally I do a "wtf" but I just shrug it off. Later I find out through the mom that the camp counselor said "everytime you masterbate a kitty dies." She was pretty pi$$ed and so was I. That suddenly reminded me of all the horrible stories I had heard on the news about priests and whatever disgusting things they did to little children.

To sum it up:
1.) No I do not hate religion. It's only when you preach a philosophy that restricts enjoyment in a persons life and causes them to start spreading it around too. Ok, so they might be happy with their "newfound life", but I'm not because I have to listen it.

2.) Dude...the counselor. Wtf is up with that. I have to take a little "lol" at it though purely because the guy was dead serious. Also a little messed up though....*shudders while remembering news stories*.

3.) That was supposed to be a fun camp, not a "hey-im-going-to-sit-here-and-preach-to-you" camp. Why is it so godamn necessary for everybody else to believe the same things they do?

Amen.

Oh noes...pun-ish remarks. Well anyway, I don't care if you agree with me or not. Publically flame and shame me, agree with me, remain silent...I don't care. This is what rants are here for, right? So I've ranted. Now you may rant back.

[HUnewearl_Meira]

You have every right to hate religion. Religion causes a great deal of obnoxious, and often terrible things. One of the things that boggles me most, is how every denomination can claim high and mightily that they are the "true" way to God's favor, yet they all trace back to the same denomination that they split from to begin with, because they felt it was too corrupt. The only denominations that are exempt from this general rule are Orthodox denominations (as they pre-date the Roman Catholic church), which can in fact be rather straight and narrow, but often suffer from discriminatory problems (ie, if you're not Greek, then the Greek Orthodox church offers you no salvation).

The end result of all of this, is that there are a lot of really bizarre traditions out there, and really f'ed up extrapolations of "God's will"; case in point: "Every time you masturbate, a kitty dies." I ask you: is that so bad? How long as Bob Barker been reminding people to get their cats spayed or neudered, to try to cut down their overpopulation? Seriously, if that's gonna contribute to solving the problem, then we all need to get wankin'.

Mind you, I consider myself to be a Christian, and I'm saying this. I attend church every week, as I rather like the people at the particular church I attend, and I enjoy the fellowship. One thing that's fairly important, though: I place no faith in any church. Faith in a church is unduely placed-- the faith is to be attributed to God; not a place of worship.

[-Klaus-]

I really hate how corrupt relegion has become. It's one of the reasons why I'm athiest. It's just not right to brainwash little kids like that, and they have no room to say "everytime you masturbate a kitty dies". The priests touched the little boys! What do you have to say to THAT, eh? Maybe if the priests wanked, they wouldn't be raping little boys.



..Sorry. Got carried away...

But yeah... It just really makes me mad. According to christianity, only and ONLY if you believe in Jesus will you be saved.
Jews don't believe in Jesus, does this automatically send them to hell? it's just not right, imo.

[isahn80]

Damn, I've killed A LOT of kitties.

In all seriousness, I would have no problem with religion, except the for rampant prosthletyzing. Not all faiths do this, but the ones that do irk me to no end. Some people need faith, but I've never met someone that's liked it shoved down their throats.

Another thing I despise is when devout religious followers have the "Join us if you want to be saved and go to heaven, and if you don't you're a stupid fuck that deserves to go to hell" attitude I so frequently recieve. Again, not all people do this and I have a number of cool religious friends, but I hate nothing more than someone looking at me like I'm the dumbest piece of shit because I don't believe what's written in the bible is true.

Okay, I have to stop or else I'm going to write a 5000 word post and get banned for excessive vulgarity.

When someone asks me if I believe in god, I ask them if they believe in Santa Claus.

By the way TheyCallMeJoe, that sucks about what happened to that kid. George Carlin once said the best thing you can do for a kid is to keep them as far away from a church as possible. Telling someone (especially when using lies like the kitty thing) that what's natural and pleasurable is wrong simply because of a dogma is just messed up, at least to me.



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[TheyCallMeJoe]

@ Meira
I'd say amen, but somehow it doesn't seem appropriate

I'm glad the title of this thread didn't scare you away, else I might still be silently fuming on my desktop lol. You drive home the point that I was trying to get across. Kudos.

-EDIT-
Actuall you all are dead on target -_-. It's releaving to know that I wasn't just being a pessimistic religious-hater lol.


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[K-Morfos]

If that were true, there would be no kitties left.





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[Solstis]

Organized religion bothers me. The philosophies and such involved do not.

[zwandude15]

I killed 20 kittens in a week once..

[Abaru-FP]

The majority of people that have given me trouble in my life have been religious fanatics who either thought it was their duty to inform me I was going to hell, or were totally two faced and didn't practice the good values they so loudly preached.

Example:
Last ski season I was snowboarding with a friend. He was ahead of me, and there was a 30 year old man matching pace with us to our left. The man started wobbly edging closer and closer, until he clipped the back of my friends board, toppled on top of him, and sent them both skidding down the hill in a heap. The end result was a broken snowboard binding, and a nice chunk out of my friend’s brand new board. My friend worked at the Ski mountain as a snowboard instructor, and after he had untangled himself from the man, asked him politely to escort him to the office to exchange information.

The man, who turned out to be with a church group refused, and loudly blamed the collision on my friend. When other resort personnel showed up to calm the man down, he denied ever hitting my friend, and claimed he had just fallen down on his own and had blamed him when he stopped to help.

My friend simply didn't have enough pocket money to replace a new snowboard and binding set, and had to take the man to small claims court. The issue wasn't resolved before the ski season was over, and he had to quit his job because he wasn't able to continue as an instructor without a snowboard.

Other incidents include my friend’s mom sneaking into her room and reader her diary because "God told her" that she was sinning. Afterward, she called me up and yelled at me over the phone for "corrupting" her daughter, and told me that she pitied my godless life. After listening to her for 15 minutes, I just told her pray for me and hung up. In hindsight, I wonder what was in the diary, because the worst I had done was be her ride to a party where there was alcohol.

I totally see where you're coming from. It seems going to church gives people the right to impose their views on others, or generally be guiltless bastards because they believe god is on their side. Makes me kind of laugh and whimper at the same time :/

[navci]

On 2006-07-11 08:17, Solstis wrote:
Organized religion bothers me. The philosophies and such involved do not.

That being said. Some of the people who are religious that I have met are damn nice. And maybe they are damn nice because the religion has influenced them so. Just that, fanatics make a bad name for just everyone. Sometimes people automatically assume when you are religious you are a fanatic. That's not true, it is only when you get consumed by it and take it to the extremes. There are some average joes that are nice people because they have learned soemthing from the philosophy about how to treat people and the world. That is what religion is originally good for, too bad not a whole lot of people remember anymore. ._.

I guess I am trying to say what Solly said in the philosphy; that some people do benefit from it. Most people are literal in their understanding and then everything got pretty screwed that way.